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		<title>By: Aaaargh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/running-scared-2/#comment-1120819</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaaargh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;W-2s would be subpoenaed from whom?  The IRS doesn’t have them back any farther than 2000, if that.  The ANG records are scrubbed.  I doubt George W Bullshit kept them, and if he did he’ll shred ‘em now.  So who exactly do you think you could get them from?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W-2s would be subpoenaed from whom?  The IRS doesn’t have them back any farther than 2000, if that.  The ANG records are scrubbed.  I doubt George W Bullshit kept them, and if he did he’ll shred ‘em now.  So who exactly do you think you could get them from?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Graves</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/running-scared-2/#comment-1120677</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Didn’t Paul Lukasiak already demonstrate that Bush lied about his military service using other documents that were publicly available?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.glcq.com&quot;&gt;www.glcq.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn’t Paul Lukasiak already demonstrate that Bush lied about his military service using other documents that were publicly available?<br />
<a href="http://www.glcq.com">http://www.glcq.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Dawg</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/running-scared-2/#comment-1120069</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’d love to Rather’s lawyers shake something loose from Rigler.&lt;br /&gt;
And I hope Rather doesn’t settle. I hope his instincts are to follow this through. He really has little to lose at this point. And - if this was a set up - the country would gain a great deal by getting this crap out in the open.&lt;br /&gt;
Rathergate stank from day one, particularly the speed in which the documents were debunked.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d love to Rather’s lawyers shake something loose from Rigler.<br />
And I hope Rather doesn’t settle. I hope his instincts are to follow this through. He really has little to lose at this point. And &#8211; if this was a set up &#8211; the country would gain a great deal by getting this crap out in the open.<br />
Rathergate stank from day one, particularly the speed in which the documents were debunked.</p>
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		<title>By: yellowdog jim</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/running-scared-2/#comment-1119836</link>
		<dc:creator>yellowdog jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1119386&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;T- @ 148&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;him and Lennon and Brian Jones&lt;br /&gt;
Jim Morrison&lt;br /&gt;
Janis Joplin&lt;br /&gt;
Kurt Cobain&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;SRV&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;amen&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1119386"><em>T- @ 148</em></a></p>
<blockquote><blockquote>him and Lennon and Brian Jones<br />
Jim Morrison<br />
Janis Joplin<br />
Kurt Cobain</p></blockquote>
<p>SRV</p>
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<p>amen</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/running-scared-2/#comment-1119647</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1119640&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;brownandserve @ 181&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What always burned my butt during my years in the ANG was that I was on a waiting list for two years before I got and invitation to join whereas the sons of politically well-connected families didn’t have to wait at all.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was always surprised that that aspect of the story didn’t resonate more.  Dubya is *not* the buddy you have a beer with; he’s one of the upper-crust people with gates and security guards between you and him, who has everything in life handed to him on a silver platter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In other words, kinda like what Republicans pretend Democrats are…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1119640"><em>brownandserve @ 181</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What always burned my butt during my years in the ANG was that I was on a waiting list for two years before I got and invitation to join whereas the sons of politically well-connected families didn’t have to wait at all.</p>
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<p>I was always surprised that that aspect of the story didn’t resonate more.  Dubya is *not* the buddy you have a beer with; he’s one of the upper-crust people with gates and security guards between you and him, who has everything in life handed to him on a silver platter.</p>
<p>In other words, kinda like what Republicans pretend Democrats are…</p>
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		<title>By: brownandserve</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/running-scared-2/#comment-1119640</link>
		<dc:creator>brownandserve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What always burned my butt during my years in the ANG was that I was on a waiting list for two years before I got and invitation to join whereas the sons of politically well-connected families didn’t have to wait at all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What always burned my butt during my years in the ANG was that I was on a waiting list for two years before I got and invitation to join whereas the sons of politically well-connected families didn’t have to wait at all.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/running-scared-2/#comment-1119577</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1119546&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Eli @ 178&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1119530&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 177&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It’d be quite interesting if someone from Rove’s office contacted the folks at “Captains Quarters” (IRRC this is where the tale started…or was it another Right Wing site?) in the time just prior to CBS’ expose with the precise information necessary to “expose” it as a “fraud”.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Powerline, IIRC.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1119546"><em>Eli @ 178</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1119530"><em>cinnamonape @ 177</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>It’d be quite interesting if someone from Rove’s office contacted the folks at “Captains Quarters” (IRRC this is where the tale started…or was it another Right Wing site?) in the time just prior to CBS’ expose with the precise information necessary to “expose” it as a “fraud”.</p>
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<p>Powerline, IIRC.</p>
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<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: bellesouth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/running-scared-2/#comment-1119575</link>
		<dc:creator>bellesouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Man!  I have been following this story for YEARS!!!!  I’ve got the original threads from TT with Marty-the Man.  Man-O-Man!  Bring it ON!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man!  I have been following this story for YEARS!!!!  I’ve got the original threads from TT with Marty-the Man.  Man-O-Man!  Bring it ON!</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/running-scared-2/#comment-1119546</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1119530&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 177&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It’d be quite interesting if someone from Rove’s office contacted the folks at “Captains Quarters” (IRRC this is where the tale started…or was it another Right Wing site?) in the time just prior to CBS’ expose with the precise information necessary to “expose” it as a “fraud”.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Powerline, IIRC.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1119530"><em>cinnamonape @ 177</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>It’d be quite interesting if someone from Rove’s office contacted the folks at “Captains Quarters” (IRRC this is where the tale started…or was it another Right Wing site?) in the time just prior to CBS’ expose with the precise information necessary to “expose” it as a “fraud”.</p>
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<p>Powerline, IIRC.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/27/running-scared-2/#comment-1119530</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1119341&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mjvpi @ 108&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1119277&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;brownandserve @ 54&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Additional evidence of Dubya’s ANG absence would be the length of his hair at the time.  I was in the ANG (different state) during this period and everyone was trying to keep their hair long.  Some tied (unsuccessfully IIRC) to get away with wearing short-haired wigs so as to pass inspection but still keep their hippie tresses for the roughly 28 days a month they were not wearing a uniform.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One event that happened during Dubya’s AWOL period was the death of his grandfather, Prescott Bush, and it might be interesting to see a picture of how Dubya’s hair looked at the funeral.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I like this idea. Wasn’t he working on his Dad’s campaign during that time? There have to be a lot of pictures.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not his Dad’s camaign, but a friend of his Dad’s in Georgia. It was why he was “transferred” to do service at the Georgia National Guard ~ where no one seems to know about his presence there either.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The big thing about Bush’s AWOL wasn’t so much his lack of service…it’s pretty well documented that he had to get some special help to meet the minimal service hours. It’s the fact that he didn’t take his flight physicals and then quit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That ties in with &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a) flight physicals for the first time included blood and urine tests to ascertain drug and alcohol abuse. Bush took every required flight  physical before this requirement…and never took one subsequently.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;b) Nixon effectively ended the draft in late 1972-early 1973. No new individuals not already slated to be sent to NAM would have been sent there. By quitting when he did Bush would thus no longer have been at risk to be drafted or assigned to a group being sent to serve in Vietnam. If he had done so a year earlier he would have likely have been sent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Two records that haven’t been looked at are Bush’s commercial flight records for when he worked as a private pilot for some Alaskan air company, and when he served as a pilot for the Houston-Florida based agribusiness firm. that did shipments of foliage from Central America. Bush never mentions anything about flying to Honduras and Guatamala in his years after TANG…even when he makes his visits to those areas or meets with diplomats from those countries.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And then there are the e-mails from the RNC and members of the WH using the RNC addresses. Did any of these go either to the bloggers that presumably “deciphered” the unusual typography of the documents provided to CBS. It just seems such an awfully strange thing to discover and to have the exact information available that a particular brand of typewriter didn’t have that pattern of keystroke until after 1976. It seems something that could only have been developed “ass-backward” from whomever actually composed the “forgeries”. And yet a blogger with no background in such analysis made this “discovery”? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’d be quite interesting if someone from Rove’s office contacted the folks at “Captains Quarters” (IRRC this is where the tale started…or was it another Right Wing site?) in the time just prior to CBS’ expose with the precise information necessary to “expose” it as a “fraud”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1119341"><em>mjvpi @ 108</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1119277"><em>brownandserve @ 54</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Additional evidence of Dubya’s ANG absence would be the length of his hair at the time.  I was in the ANG (different state) during this period and everyone was trying to keep their hair long.  Some tied (unsuccessfully IIRC) to get away with wearing short-haired wigs so as to pass inspection but still keep their hippie tresses for the roughly 28 days a month they were not wearing a uniform.</p>
<p>One event that happened during Dubya’s AWOL period was the death of his grandfather, Prescott Bush, and it might be interesting to see a picture of how Dubya’s hair looked at the funeral.</p>
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<p> I like this idea. Wasn’t he working on his Dad’s campaign during that time? There have to be a lot of pictures.</p>
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<p>Not his Dad’s camaign, but a friend of his Dad’s in Georgia. It was why he was “transferred” to do service at the Georgia National Guard ~ where no one seems to know about his presence there either.</p>
<p>The big thing about Bush’s AWOL wasn’t so much his lack of service…it’s pretty well documented that he had to get some special help to meet the minimal service hours. It’s the fact that he didn’t take his flight physicals and then quit.</p>
<p>That ties in with </p>
<p>a) flight physicals for the first time included blood and urine tests to ascertain drug and alcohol abuse. Bush took every required flight  physical before this requirement…and never took one subsequently.</p>
<p>b) Nixon effectively ended the draft in late 1972-early 1973. No new individuals not already slated to be sent to NAM would have been sent there. By quitting when he did Bush would thus no longer have been at risk to be drafted or assigned to a group being sent to serve in Vietnam. If he had done so a year earlier he would have likely have been sent.</p>
<p>Two records that haven’t been looked at are Bush’s commercial flight records for when he worked as a private pilot for some Alaskan air company, and when he served as a pilot for the Houston-Florida based agribusiness firm. that did shipments of foliage from Central America. Bush never mentions anything about flying to Honduras and Guatamala in his years after TANG…even when he makes his visits to those areas or meets with diplomats from those countries.</p>
<p>And then there are the e-mails from the RNC and members of the WH using the RNC addresses. Did any of these go either to the bloggers that presumably “deciphered” the unusual typography of the documents provided to CBS. It just seems such an awfully strange thing to discover and to have the exact information available that a particular brand of typewriter didn’t have that pattern of keystroke until after 1976. It seems something that could only have been developed “ass-backward” from whomever actually composed the “forgeries”. And yet a blogger with no background in such analysis made this “discovery”? </p>
<p>It’d be quite interesting if someone from Rove’s office contacted the folks at “Captains Quarters” (IRRC this is where the tale started…or was it another Right Wing site?) in the time just prior to CBS’ expose with the precise information necessary to “expose” it as a “fraud”.</p>
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