Does CBS sound a little… nervous to you?
Earlier this month (Nov. 20) the New York Observer ran a story highlighting Rather’s travails in redeeming his good name, and proving once and for all that the story that got him fired was indeed true after all.
More than two years earlier, in the aftermath of what would become known as Rathergate, CBS had hired Mr. Rigler, a former Navy aviator and F.B.I. agent, in part to get to the bottom of the controversial documents at the heart of the affair….
For reasons that remain unclear, CBS eventually curtailed Mr. Rigler’s investigation. His findings were never made public. Nor, as it turns out, were they made available to Mr. Rather…
According to [Dan Rather's lawyer Martin] Gold, this past summer when he reached Mr. Rigler, the investigator said he would be happy to talk but first had to run it by CBS. Weeks later, Mr. Gold hadn’t heard back. He called again. Shortly thereafter, according to Mr. Gold, he received a letter from the legal department at CBS telling him to stop harassing their client. A volley of contentious communications ensued and on Sept. 19, Mr. Rather officially gave up on phone calls and letters—he filed a $70 million civil lawsuit against his former bosses at CBS and Viacom, including Les Moonves, Sumner Redstone and Andrew Heyward.
"I tried to talk to Rigler and CBS shut me down," said Mr. Gold.
Obviously, Mr. Gold was completely unmanned by this crushing defeat:
[H]e hesitated to discuss many details of his legal strategy, but conceded one thing: He intended on hearing from Mr. Rigler.
"There’s no question about that," said Mr. Gold. "We’ll be very interested in taking his testimony and subpoenaing his records."
"The more they try heaven and earth to prevent me from talking to the guy, the more it becomes highly charged," he added. "The more I want to talk to him."
Gee, ya think? As you may remember, Rigler is the guy who concluded that “the Killian Documents were probably authentic, and that the underlying facts in the Broadcast were certainly accurate.”
Marktheshark is hopeful that Rather’s suit could shake a whole bunch o’ fun loose:
…Mr. Rather could just turn out to be the Bush regime’s worst nightmare, if this lawsuit is not settled out of court. If Rather’s attorneys can drag [rumored ANG record scrubbers] Karen Hughes and Joe Allbaugh before the court, along with [as of yet] unidentified players [Karl Rove] pulling the strings from the White House, a few revelations may leak out of this trial.
And, somehow, I don’t see Rather settling this case. I believe he’s truly pissed off at these people for effectively truncating his otherwise stellar career at the Tiffany network, and rightly so.
There’s one other avenue that I’d like to see Rather’s attorneys pursue, if feasible: Bush’s W-2 records. An anonymous source points out that "[b]y dividing his total wages by his rate of pay at the time [a known quantity], we would finally know how many hours [Bush] worked in the Guard." Assuming that those hours weren’t falsified, and that W-2s are subpoenable (a quick search suggests they are), this would be a simple, elegant way to prove whether Dubya actually fulfilled his obligations in the Alabama ANG, and therefore whether that aspect of Rather’s story was accurate. They might also come in handy if Rather wants to pursue the scrubbing rumors – there could be intriguing discrepancies between the W-2s and the ANG records.
Show us Dubya’s Dubya-2s!
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NO, 1. So you get to do the notificatory honors!
FunnyDiva
probably at #5 by now…
All roads lead to Rove.
allan_in_upstate @ 3
I sure hope so. But no-one’s made anything stick yet, unfortunately.
before the election I used to paint “AWOL” signs and stick them on bushes by the freeways (tyhey had to be really “bushy” looking bushes for people to get it it) damn funny when you did though.
here’s how I spent thanksgiving:
http://www.freewayblogger.com/thanksgiving07.htm
damn near all of them stayed up all weekend – even the big ones. I’m thinking the cops/Caltrans/Republicans have finally given up.
Yeah! Always thought Rather would turn on them. Kind of surprised it took untold rounds of (injury..insult) to get him there.
Steve-AR
left you a response downstairs in EPU land…
FunnyD
Good luck with any of this with “W” in the WH..it’s all a State Secret.
Steve-AR @ 8
Yeah, I’d love to see how they invoke “state secrets” or “executive privilege” on this one.
scarlet p. @ 5
Well Happy Thanksgiving, scarlet p.!
Eli @ 9
That’s what Iran is for.
I would also like to see W’s prez salary divided by the number of hours he actually
worksputs in at the office so that we can see what we pay him per hour.Hi Eli!
I’m thinkin’ I dugg this post but I can’t tell. if I did it’s in a warp for me somewhere. But I tried!
Steve-AR @ 8
Yeah, where is Poo Bah when you need him?
“I also retail state secrets for a modest fee…”
The Mikado
FunnyDiva
GordonM @ 6
I could end up really liking this man.
Eli @ 9
They just say it and it’s tied up in court for at least a year. SCOTUS has been very supportive of the concept.
hi guys…sorry for the tangential topic, but i was at the writers picket line at warners today (and you know, cbs news writers are on strike, so it’s kind of on-topic)…the horror writers were picketing… don’t know why it was horror day on the wga picket line, but i got pictures (i am building the post as we
speakblog, so if you only see a couple pix, keep coming back…they had an exorcism, and chuckie and mike meyers were on strike, too!)I coulda had a zed, but I stopped to read first, and do a couple of other things. Drat!
Elliott @ 13
Yeah, you got the ZedDigg.
scarlet p. @ 5
Cool new format!
dakine01 @ 19
he he
thanks!
Maybe Mr. Rather’s lawsuit will turn up the prospect that those exit polls were more accurate than the official vote tallies, eh?
You know – the exit polls that the big networks decided to stop using for the 2004 elections, because they were so clearly inaccurate in the Florida 2000 count that they actually showed Gore winning?
Perish the thought.
I’m no expert on the case, but I always felt that Rather got Roved.
Elliott @ 23
Perhaps you noticed my choice of graphic on my original Rather post…
Fitzy could have nailed Rove and he didn’t.
We need to know why?
Eli @ 24
that’s graphic
Since this is a lawsuit and it will probably continue for a long time after Bush leaves office, I see nothing but rainbows and sunshine for us. We could finally get to the bottom of the Nightmare on Pennsylvania Avenue, and hopefully reshape politics for generations. It could be a new twist on the Woodward/Bernstein work, where a journalist takes down the media as well as the politiicans.
eCAHNomics @ 12
For X and Y both positive numbers (say),
lim{Y→0} X/Y = ∞
Very interesting post…thinkin about Karen Hughes testifying bout the truth behind Clusterfuck’s record under oath just made my day Thanks
Are people going to believe Rove this time? It seems too far gone. KFI, a big, conservative station in LA, Has the same guy in the morning as they have had for the last ten years, and now he cannot stand Bush.
(We lost Air America in San Diego :(
sic’ em, Dan!
Between the title of this post and the story of CBS, I can’t help but think of the Billy Crystal/Gregory Hines movie Running Scared from 1986.
They play two Chicago cops, and in this one scene, they nab a very nasty drug dealer. With guns to his head, they . . . ahem . . . read him his rights:
Yeah, it’s a civil suit, but still. I picture Les Moonves in the role of the drug dealer. He knows what’s coming, and still tries to bluster his way through.
Oooooooohhh.
Pass the popcorn.
I don’t see what difference getting Hughes and Allbaugh into court would make. They would just lie about it or take the 5th.
The religious fanatics didn’t buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale.
scarlet p. @ 5
Nice work!
prostratedragon @ 28
I think we’re entering the realm of imaginary numbers, myself.
When the writers get back to work, they can write the script for this horror film. I’ll bet it will have a long tale-lotsa internet revenues.
Mike @ 33
I admit, I have always wondered just how much of a deterrent perjury is, especially for those with worse crimes to hide.
And, of course, everyone knows that perjury is only a crime when a Democrat does it…
I have no problem with Rather reclaiming his good name if true and he can. But regardless, the story has lost its potential to do good because every now knows what they didn’t want to know back then: that bush is a weasely, craven, skank that no decent person would ever want to have a beer with.
Matt Stoller says:
Modern journalism at Time is just as Paul Krugman writes: “Shape of Earth – Views Differ.”
I do love the added touch that I heard of this from their corporate publicist and not from an editor.
eCAHNomics @ 36
Yeah, but what Art Buchwald said during the Watergate era applies here at least as well: “What producer would ever buy such an unbelievable script like that?”
What’s the Frequency, Kenneth?
Dan with REM
I think we’re entering the realm of imaginary numbers, myself.
Wow, Peterr, negative time! The mind boggles. But it’s a much more interesting boggle than the ones usually associated with Brush.
1,671 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Bay State Librul and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“Fitzy could have nailed Rove and he didn’t. We need to know why.”
Yessiree!!! You damn betcha we need ta know… and of all the crimes that worthless, burned out playboy has committed, he needs to answer for the treason of desertion in time of war. There are a lotta good young men whose honor and memory deserve Bush in shackles before a military tribunal.
And what is it with Fitz? I’m beginnin’ ta think that he was in the tank from the very beginnin’ or else he was scared offa the whole thing by an offer he couldn’t refuse made in a meetin’ in Chicago.
KEEP THE FAITH… LET’S BRING THE WAR HOME TO THE BASTARDS!!
Eli @ 37
Or, as John Dean could tell you, when it’s Nixon AG John Mitchell and Nixon Assistant for Domestic Policy John Ehrlichmann.
Hiya y’all. Hi Eli!!!
Hi Kassie!
turns out not only are the Blackwater mercs thugs, but they’re also stoned thugs.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21997769/
Liberia anybody?
scarlet p. @ 5
I’m so proud of you Scarlet p. And proud to know you, too.
Now that his popularity is in the toilet, hopefully the public will be more willing to re-examine the large body of evidence, aside from the “Rather document”, that Bush went AWOL and has lied about it all these years.
I know treason, torture, and illegal war don’t quite meet the standard, but isn’t going AWOL at least worse than a blow job?!?
jexter @ 48
At the very least, the idea of Dubya as a cowardly, dishonest scoundrel is looking a lot more plausible to the general public.
jexter @ 48
What could be better than a blow job?
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Bout time for all presidential candidates to come out and say that they won’t be bound by any agreement Clusterfuck makes with Iraq that isn’t ratified by the senate— make him look like the idiot he is tryin to bind his successor to Iraq.
1,671 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen jexter and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Destertion durin’ time of war IS treason and there’s no stauate of limitations.
KEEP THE FAITH AND BURY THE BASTARD!@!
Additional evidence of Dubya’s ANG absence would be the length of his hair at the time. I was in the ANG (different state) during this period and everyone was trying to keep their hair long. Some tied (unsuccessfully IIRC) to get away with wearing short-haired wigs so as to pass inspection but still keep their hippie tresses for the roughly 28 days a month they were not wearing a uniform.
One event that happened during Dubya’s AWOL period was the death of his grandfather, Prescott Bush, and it might be interesting to see a picture of how Dubya’s hair looked at the funeral.
The Bush TANG case is the best example around on how a well-connected coward with lots of power and powerful friends can hide such an important issue (as Bush’s AWOL year and simultaneous coke conviction/SIS) better and better year after year. The public knew more about this issue in 2003 than we do in 2007.
Keep on this one, Eli. To me, it is the best, earliest example of what a true slimeball we have running this country.
Ed*ard Teller @ 54
I love this story, although I suspect at some point it will probably head into the deep legal weeds where only Marcy and Christy can go…
1. I’m always glad to read articles which expose the Yellow Coward for what he is.
2. Among the interesting potential witnesses…..Towel Boy just might be back! Some say that the boy made many visits to a certain Guard officer in charge of certain military records, back in the day.
3. Awhile back, a few folks wondered about getting Rather to appear here at Fdl. Well….he may not want to due to the pending litigation. But……
Ever heard of a gal named Mapes? Mary Mapes. Perhaps she could speak where Danny cannot speak. Just a thought.
Ghostman
Ed*ard Teller @ 54
Given your state’s Congressman and Senators, I’d say you know whereof you speak.
jexter @ 49
Personally, I would just love to see the little SOB nailed with something so direct that he cannot lie his way out of it. They lost me totally when he flew onto that aircraft carrier and got out of that jet acting like a real stud — when the truth is, apparently, that he failed to carry through on his service commitment. Someone strutting around like that seems to me like someone with something to hide — and it appears that he truly does.
rwcole @ 51
Not until the general election. Like September.
Less than a year to replace the clusterfucker day.
Ghostman @ 56
Hmm… If she’s not gagged somehow, she might be pretty happy to talk.
Who’s Towel Boy again?
Who is the Yellow Coward?
sojourner @ 59
Some would say Babs cut it off and hid it long, long ago.
Desertion during a time of war IS treason and there’s no statute of limitations.
i like this.
is it true?
especially if we were to get to have a trial.
in Texas.
Please?
(heard in the back of the court room:
~~~ModNote: Edited for content. Allusions to violence against persons are not allowed here.~~~
snarKassandra @ 63
Commander Guy. El Presidente.
Ghostman
Oh….Eli, Towel Boy is just my own nickname for “abu”…..Alberto Gonzales.
Ghostman
marymccurnin @ 51
You know, I hesitated when I wrote that sentence – it does seem counter-intuitive…
Ghostman @ 67
Well, we already know what his testimony would look like…
Peterr @ 58
LOL! We get more GOP corruption news up here every day!
The ADN’s Lisa Demer writes, regarding startling news about State Senator Lesil McGuire, that “Early in 2007, McGuire called both Bobrick and his wife, Jessica Bury, who was in medical school in Minnesota, Pope said. She said that she was hearing Bury might have a hard time being licensed to practice medicine in Alaska.
“Bobrick understood the call to be a threat that if he testified favorably for the government, Lesil McGuire would take steps to see that Jessica did not obtain her medical license,” Pope told Sedwick in court.
“Pope told reporters after the hearing that he considered the calls to be witness tampering.”
GordonM @ 64
Too bad she couldn’t reform his morals. I was hearing / reading rumors a few months ago that she had moved out of the White House…
Eli @ 69
No, I don’t recall that.
sojourner @ 71
Nah, you’re thinking of Laura (the Stepford Librarian). Babs is Mommy Dearest.
More Rovian sleaze:
Raw Story interview with Gov. Don Siegelman’s daughter about her father’s travails.
GordonM @ 73
Although if Babs *had* been in the WH all this time, it wouldn’t have surprised me at all…
Oh, and one other thing on Mapes: she was pretty pissed after CBS canned her. I think she even wrote a book about the whole mess…..a defense of how she and others actually got the original 60 minutes story CORRECT.
Mapes was the 60 minutes producer.
Ghostman
Well, this will be an interesting trial, assuming it happens. America will pay attention.
Eli @ 75
Have you heard about Horcruxes? Amazing technology.
Bay State Librul @ 25
You have to remember what the DOJ was like at the time Fitz was conducting his investigation. Gonzo in charge, 491 White House aides looking over the shoulders of anyone in the DOJ (per Sen. Whitehouse’s diagram), and the ability of the AG to say yea or nay to Fitz. In other words, I think Rove & Cheney got to peak at everything Fitz was doing, and he knew it. So he made book on Rove several times, Rove saw what he was about to be charged with, so he went immediately to the GJ each time to “adjust” his recollection of events, just enough to take the wind out of the sails of what he was about to be indicted for.
I haven’t got the time right now for all the footnotes, but at the time I was looking at Comey’s instructions re Fitzgerald, and it looked like Fitz was bullet proof. But I was told at the time by looseheadprop and Mary that no, he was tightly constrained in what he could do.
Now that Gonzo and Rove are gone, along with most of the management structure of the DOJ that was complicit in the Plame coverup, everyone is kvetching about how Fitz could have nailed Rove and didn’t. But now I’m being asked by lhp why I’m so sure that Rove and Cheney were reading all of Fitz’s notes back in the day, so that Rove could dodge any indictment. Well, IANAL, and she is, so I don’t know how to answer precisely to the issue of how much access Rove used to have to the charges Fitz might have against him. I suspect he had all the access he needed, but that’s just a hunch.
Fitz might still have book on him, but after seeing Rove skate several times, I think he declined to prosecute because he knew that Rove would always disclose just enough to skate. Now, however, if he has any cards left, might be the time to play them. But he doesn’t want to get burned yet again, and there’s not much of a firewall between DOJ and the Whitehouse except when it comes to protecting Bush & Cheney. I may not understand what I was being told by lhp and Mary, so I hope I have not misrepresented what I read.
Those were just my hunches. IANAL.
Bob in HI
GordonM @ 73
Oops! I am trying to do too many things at once.. Gosh! Maybe Babs moved out, too! That’s pretty bad when your own mother can’t stand you! ;-)
Loo Hoo. @ 76
I’d love to have Walter Cronkite and Marcy Wheeler liveblog it at FDL.
Oh, and I’d like a pony, too.
Peterr @ 80
How about a kitty and a dog instead?
Peterr @ 81
Ponies are relatively easy.
Bush was their man.. He was going to bring in the bacon, pork and all sorts of good stuff for the capitalists. He was going to allow them to own the entire media universe so they gave him a pass. Very simple quid pro quo.
One of my nieces took a picture of her big dog & her baby nephew about where the kitty is, except that the dog was licking the baby’s head. Won a Kodak contest & got posted in Grand Central Station for awhile.
BTW, kittenwar.com is Steven Colbert’s favorite website.
bobschacht @ 79
With all of the recent spotlight on FISA and government spying, I personally think that there is something that has been overlooked: Various interested parties were also spying or monitoring electronic communications into and out of DOJ and other areas of interest. In other words, for those who were in power, in order to stay in power they had to know at all times what was going on, who was getting suspicious, etc.
I would dearly love to live and find out about all the off-line communications that went on using RNC email and Blackberries. I suspect that is the first place to begin looking. And those “lost” emails? They are merely archived someplace…
SanderO @ 84
Sumner Redstone all but came out and said this.
Gonna go work on my blog. See y’all at late night!
They admit this shit these days because no one expects anyone to act in anyway other than unabashed selfishness. It’s how people in America are SUPPOSED to act MEMEMEMEMEME. It’s bidness. Make as much as you can, get as much power as you can, trophy wives, power suits, all the trappings of success success success. If you don’t do it you are dissing the system.
night cassie!
This, from MSNBC.
[Mod Note; broken link. Correct link is in comments below.]
Loo Hoo. @ 91
I think you have yourself a bad linky there, Loo Hoo.
404 loohoo and that makes two too
To Soj at 86: I guess you were watching the PBS piece on privacy, lack of, and FISA. It looked to me that AG Gonzo was nailed on all the ways he was lying to Congress in the hearings; Sleazy Yoo pretty much said the Pres. has all the rights/powers of a Dictator most any time, but certainly in time of war like this is to do absolutely anything he chooses; that the privacy and FISA laws have been construed to allow any invasions, evasions of the 4th Amendment. I do not know what country we are living in; some of these people are completely convinced that all this expanded Pres. power is OK/lawful and no one is doing much to pushback. As talked about above, maybe enough is changing in the conversation, we will see some changes in remediation. But sure is slow.
And now we have Rove telling it was congress to blame for the bloody Iraq war; just pushed boy Bush right into it.
Loo Hoo. @ 91
I think you mean this, on Blackwater and steroids.
GordonM @ 95
Mercs on steroids? What could possibly go wrong?
Eli @ 96
They put an asterisk next to your kill count?
I can’t help but focus on Blackwater on steroids while Barry Bonds is in deep s— and his trainer, Greg Anderson, has been sentenced twice to do time for not squealing on Barry for supposed “steroid use”. Yep, he can go back again, too. And Scooter Lily-liver gets a commuted sentence by BushBoy. Is it OK for private company mercenaries carrying lethal weapons to use steroids but not a ball player? Apparently so. Silly me.
GordonM @ 97
You forget who their commissioner is…
Today is the 29th anniversary of the seminal event that launched Nancy Pelosi’s career, the gruesome gunning down of SF Mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk by Dan White… 8-(
QuakerGirl @ 98
As long as they stay out of the medal events
;>)
CTuttle @ 100
I think you mean DiFi, right?
GordonM @ 95
Thanks, Gordon!
CTuttle @ 100
I think you’re thinking of the wondrous DiFi.
Eli @ 102
Oops, my bad!
I read the headline at WaPo: Clinton Claims……..
2003: I Support Bush’s Authority To Go To War
So I thought I would look at the documentation.
Well make up your own mind..
After reading that section, I started reading the whole speech..I had forgotten what is was like to have a President with a brain. Here are two paragraphs:
link
Easy enough to confuse the two… ;-)
brownandserve @ 54
I like this idea. Wasn’t he working on his Dad’s campaign during that time? There have to be a lot of pictures.
CTuttle @ 100
Hendrix would be 65 today.
Eli @ 62
She is gagged according to the Salon article. She and the other fired producers quickly and quietly got settlements after her book came out. She can’t even talk to Rather, which is why Dan thinks there is something there.
CTuttle @ 107
‘Sfunny, someone was talking a few days ago about Pelosi’s wealthy husband, and I almost chimed in about how she didn’t want to end the war because her husband was profiting off of it…
Pectopah @ 110
Well, crap. Maybe Dan can work out some sort of “blink once for yes” arrangement with her…
yellowdog jim @ 109
Could you imagine what he would’ve done to the music scene if he was still around…
CTuttle @ 113
him and Lennon and Brian Jones
Jim Morrison
Janis Joplin
Kurt Cobain
Eli @ 111
Real Estate developers and Defense contractors have a lot in common, but one kills a lot more people than the other.
Oh wow.
Just catching up and saw this video on the earlier John Laesch thread:
http://video.google.com/videop…..amp;hl=en.
Getting really motivated imagining a Congress filled with Laesch, Donna Edwards, and the other Blue America candidates. They’re so well-spoken and enthusiastic. Just what the Democratic Party has needed for a long, long time.
If that sounds good to you, drop by over here and help out!
Eli @ 111
Heck, if she did impeach the bastards, the quicker those lucrative bucks would dry up…
GordonM @ 114
In SF, that would be the real estate folks.
CTuttle @ 100
Actually I believe it was DiFi’s career that was “launched” by those assassinations.
dakine01 @ 119
Duly noted, and amended, Bra! ;-)
Peterr @ 118
Only because defense contractors prefer cheaper real estate.
Wow, Bill Clinton! And thanks for sharing, Steve AR!
Hillary has Barbara and Bill! Can Oprah match that? (I’ve never watched Oprah.)
CTuttle @ 100
I thought that was Dianne Feinstein.
dakine01 @ 118
Hers, and the careers of more than a few GLBT activists.
“You’ve got to give them hope.” — Harvey Milk
Gag orders a rubbish and should be unconstitutional. They certainly are unethical.
In a civil matter like with Mapes you are buying (or selling) your silence. Where’s that at?
In criminal matters you are often suppressing the truth. For what reason? Ask Sibel Edmonds.
Why doesn’t someone actually challenge this draconian notion and open their mouths and see what actually happens?
QuakerGirl @ 123
CT is out back, hiding under a breadfruit tree, hoping it will put him out of his misery.
OT..Digby calls it right on Colin Powell:
link
QuakerGirl @ 123
For the umpteenth time, yes! I apologize profusely… :P
Peterr @ 81
Amen! I’ll even do without the pony, if we can get the liveblog!
Bob in HI
GordonM @ 126
Coconut palm tree would be more effective…
This is interesting. I think that the current non-anchorman Rather is poised to drive out details. When he was in the newsroom if he tried to get to the truth they cried, “But we can’t because it wouldn’t be balanced by a scandal on the left!”
One thing I want to find out. What was the real reason he left? I have one theory that I’ve never seen looked at seriously. Bush screwed up a landing, big time. Why? Drunk? Drugs? Incompetence?
I’m not just making this up, this story was mentioned in one of the Bush bios when they were talking about how the team planned to deal with his past. Someone brought up the rumors the needed to deal with. One was he crashed a plane.
Now that is the kind of response that someone makes who HAD evidence that they got rid of.
Now this could be either a big time cover up (getting rid of a whole plane which is doubtful) or it could be a much smaller cover up (fixing a few discipline records and disappearing some maintenance records.)
What I do hope happens is that the so called liberal media can see just how determined the heads of the big media companies were to kill stories that would make the President look bad.
Loo Hoo. @ 121
Just a “throw away” graduation speech at a Mississippi Black College..And the sorry SoS who is in the job now, wouldn’t even be able to read it.
CTuttle @ 128
Sorry about that. I responded immediately but the colorful wheel thingy turned and turned like a twirling Sufi.
mjvpi @ 108
I haven’t been able to find them but I suspect there have got to be some in the archives of one or more of the Connecticut newspapers.
SanderO @ 124
If compelled to testify by a court, these “non-disclosure agreements” have no force. They are meant to — and do — keep former employees from spilling the beans to competitors.
They do NOT prevent the spilling of beans at a trial, however. At most, CBS might be able to get a judge to keep depositions sealed unless and until they are introduced at trial. There’s no way they will keep information away from the judge.
Eli @ 112
Sorry, it wasn’t salon, but New York Mag. Here is the link NY Mag
CTuttle @ 130
Nah. You live in paradise, but we at the Lake are kind hearted. We just want to see you humiliated.
CTuttle @ 127
See, your problem is you apologized.
You should have just said “Well, some people believe . . . but I didn’t have the time or education to actually read about it, let alone check it out.”
Then you’d be fine. Just ask Joe Klein.
CTuttle @ 131
BanyanBanyan? That one that randomly drops big herkin’ pods?
FunnyDiva
Spocko, “But we can’t because it wouldn’t be balanced by a scandal on the left!”
What about this…
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004784.php
spocko @ 131
Now that is the kind of response that someone makes who HAD evidence that they got rid of.
Now this could be either a big time cover up (getting rid of a whole plane which is doubtful) or it could be a much smaller cover up (fixing a few discipline records and disappearing some maintenance records.)
What I do hope happens is that the so called liberal media can see just how determined the heads of the big media companies were to kill stories that would make the President look bad.
That certainly is an… interesting response. As opposed to, say, “What the hell are they talking about? I never crashed any planes!”
CTuttle @ 130
If Sir Isaac Newton had been napping under a coconut tree instead of an apple tree, the industrial revolution would have been greatly delayed….
Bob in HI
If a no disclosure or a gag order has no force why are people not disclosing?
Why is Sibel Edwards not revealing what she knows? Is there a lay which says she will be sent to jail for speaking something?
Has anyone even tested what IS a state secret? What are reasonable limits?
Peterr @ 138
“Democrats claim that it was DiFi, but Republicans say it was Pelosi…”
Peterr @ 138
LOL!
GordonM @ 137
Tuttle – get a blog, better strap in. We make it bumpy!
Peterr @ 138
Actually, one sure fire way is to turn Repug… IOKIYAR… ;-)
SRV
OT: but this bar code might be something to use in the next Blue America ad.
Peterr @ 138
Obviously CT is not a Republican.
newtonusr @ 146
I have a brand spanking new one… (uhoh, there goes my one blogwhore a nite limit)
bhatten @ 94
Unfortunately, I don’t think I saw the PBS show you reference. But, I wholeheartedly agree with your observations. I don’t think that one has to be a lawyer to understand that the Constitution does not and was never intended to bestow unitary powers to ANYONE. When I was growing up, we were taught that our Constitution had all these wonderful checks and balances — and I know that there have not been any major amendments that have changes any of that.
I had to laugh when I read about Rove’s remark this morning. The way these people attempt to change history is laughable! You almost have to wonder if they are mentally ill or schizophrenic or something.
re: my previous:
C&L
Good time to reread Shakespeare’s political plays. I know many thing that Junior and The Vile Cheney are gonna walk away from their crimes but….
Ol’ Will and history teach us otherwise.
Or…
As Ice Cube would say, ‘Payback be a beeeotch!’
For those who were following selise’ research on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, she has completed her opus and it’s right here.
Pectopah @ 136
You are starting to get me excited.
Can we have the trial Austin?
maybe for a Netroots Nation?
heh.
love the Cronkite and emptywheel live blog.
sojourner @ 152
I think it was the verbal equivalent of a mooning.
SanderO @ 142
Two entirely different kinds of orders here. The CBS stuff is boilerplate corporate tail-covering: “You agree not to spill the beans to our competitors, and we agree not to sue you to hell and back for disclosing proprietary corporate information.
The SE stuff is all about classified information in the “disclosing Valerie Plame’s undercover status” sense. There is a law that says you can’t disclose classified information. I’m not saying that the govt is right or wrong to silence SE on national security grounds — just that this is a very different kind of non-disclosure case from CBS. Apples and oranges.
I’m back! Who is doing late night today?
newtonusr @ 155
thanks!
newtonusr @ 155
Thanks for the re-link…good stuff..FDL at its best.
Eli @ 96
The NRA insists that it is the right of steroid users and blind-drunks to bear automatic weapons. Something about them being the disorganized militia.
Thanks for a lovely evening. Here’s hoping for Rather and a big takeout of W, even if it’s way too late.
And, good night. I am going to sign off before we all start apologizing to Tuttle for calling him out about 50 times already.
As the lawyers say, question has been asked and answered; move on. Peace
Late Nite is up!!
QuakerGirl @ 98
There was an epidemic of cops killing people a few years back…due to the cops being whacked out on steroids they were using to beef up. Police Departments and cities eventually got rules instituted to prevent this, including drug testing their own cops.
I wonder how many of those that got booted out are now working as rent-a-cops, bouncers, and at Blackwater?
Ooh, that’s right Frontline is doing a expose on FISA, tonite, I’ve another three hours to wait…
sojourner @ 152
Or evil?
Steve-AR @ 161
I agree! It should be a Post not a comment…
bhatten @ 163
At the very least, I would like for him to be remembered as a fool, a coward, and a bully, rather than the second coming of Saint Ronald. I don’t want to see any airports named after him, I don’t want to hear about any movements to put him on currency.
cinnamonape @ 165
Are we sure this has been cleaned up? It might explain some of those gratuitous tasering incidents.
Or maybe they’re just dicks.
cinnamonape @ 165
And HS kids are also doing steroids. I wonder about this bulked up business in the air for the last decade, seems to be a human complement to the oversize SUVS on the highways and the Rush Limpballs, Hannitys and Savages on MSM. More about bombast, excess, intimidation and show rather than necessity, groundedness, or reality.
Richmond @ 171
Steroid use is, if you will pardon the expression, on steroids.
Eli @ 141
Or…”I never wrecked any planes…while I was wrecked….”
Eli @ 172
*g* along with obesity, mega-stores, Mc-Mansions, Hi-Def TV. Sounds like the last gasp of a dying civilization knowing deep down it is going down. They called the last era like this the “gilded age” meaning gitter but no substance. Maybe this one should be called the steroid age!
the right wing has always been about distraction from the message by discrediting the messenger.
it should come as no surprise that the message remains sound.
what is sad is how complicit the media are — even when their own integrity (yes, i know, what little remains of it) is being assailed –with the “ooh, shiny” strategy.
Here’s the 51 billion dollar question — How well connected is this guy Mozilo? He heisted all this dough and nobody says boo! (Until now.)
The Stealth Public Bailout of Reckless “Countrywide”: Privatizing Profits and Socializing Losses
I mean who get’s to snap their fingers and have the Feds drop 50 plus billion from a helicopter unless they’re part of the plan?
This guy looks like one mighty big fish…
mjvpi @ 108
Not his Dad’s camaign, but a friend of his Dad’s in Georgia. It was why he was “transferred” to do service at the Georgia National Guard ~ where no one seems to know about his presence there either.
The big thing about Bush’s AWOL wasn’t so much his lack of service…it’s pretty well documented that he had to get some special help to meet the minimal service hours. It’s the fact that he didn’t take his flight physicals and then quit.
That ties in with
a) flight physicals for the first time included blood and urine tests to ascertain drug and alcohol abuse. Bush took every required flight physical before this requirement…and never took one subsequently.
b) Nixon effectively ended the draft in late 1972-early 1973. No new individuals not already slated to be sent to NAM would have been sent there. By quitting when he did Bush would thus no longer have been at risk to be drafted or assigned to a group being sent to serve in Vietnam. If he had done so a year earlier he would have likely have been sent.
Two records that haven’t been looked at are Bush’s commercial flight records for when he worked as a private pilot for some Alaskan air company, and when he served as a pilot for the Houston-Florida based agribusiness firm. that did shipments of foliage from Central America. Bush never mentions anything about flying to Honduras and Guatamala in his years after TANG…even when he makes his visits to those areas or meets with diplomats from those countries.
And then there are the e-mails from the RNC and members of the WH using the RNC addresses. Did any of these go either to the bloggers that presumably “deciphered” the unusual typography of the documents provided to CBS. It just seems such an awfully strange thing to discover and to have the exact information available that a particular brand of typewriter didn’t have that pattern of keystroke until after 1976. It seems something that could only have been developed “ass-backward” from whomever actually composed the “forgeries”. And yet a blogger with no background in such analysis made this “discovery”?
It’d be quite interesting if someone from Rove’s office contacted the folks at “Captains Quarters” (IRRC this is where the tale started…or was it another Right Wing site?) in the time just prior to CBS’ expose with the precise information necessary to “expose” it as a “fraud”.
cinnamonape @ 177
Powerline, IIRC.
Man! I have been following this story for YEARS!!!! I’ve got the original threads from TT with Marty-the Man. Man-O-Man! Bring it ON!
Eli @ 178
Thanks.
What always burned my butt during my years in the ANG was that I was on a waiting list for two years before I got and invitation to join whereas the sons of politically well-connected families didn’t have to wait at all.
brownandserve @ 181
I was always surprised that that aspect of the story didn’t resonate more. Dubya is *not* the buddy you have a beer with; he’s one of the upper-crust people with gates and security guards between you and him, who has everything in life handed to him on a silver platter.
In other words, kinda like what Republicans pretend Democrats are…
T- @ 148
amen
I’d love to Rather’s lawyers shake something loose from Rigler.
And I hope Rather doesn’t settle. I hope his instincts are to follow this through. He really has little to lose at this point. And – if this was a set up – the country would gain a great deal by getting this crap out in the open.
Rathergate stank from day one, particularly the speed in which the documents were debunked.
Didn’t Paul Lukasiak already demonstrate that Bush lied about his military service using other documents that were publicly available?
http://www.glcq.com
W-2s would be subpoenaed from whom? The IRS doesn’t have them back any farther than 2000, if that. The ANG records are scrubbed. I doubt George W Bullshit kept them, and if he did he’ll shred ‘em now. So who exactly do you think you could get them from?