?

!

“No muslims need apply,” said the victim of religious bigotry.

What a twit. Whatever happened to “the best qualified person for the job”?

Based on current trends when will there be more Muslims in the United States than Mormons?

Allocating cabinet positions among the races by percentage of population. What a fresh approach!

Will he work religious affiiation into the formula as well?

There are so many things wrong with that quote, it’s hard to unpack them all.

What self-respecting Muslim would want to work for him anyway?

Blue Texan @ 7

There are so many things wrong with that quote, it’s hard to unpack them all.

we could start with the part where Muslims might be fit to serve in lesser positions

Frank Probst @ 1

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Well done Frank!

Salam MaRomney

Elliott @ 9

Blue Texan @ 7

There are so many things wrong with that quote, it’s hard to unpack them all.

we could start with the part where Muslims might be fit to serve in lesser positions

just not the real good ones

So, the Mormon who’s cried religious persecution is now excluding people based on religion?

Pots and kettles reporting that they are struggling to keep up.

AZ Matt @ 8

What self-respecting Muslim person would want to work for him anyway?

Fixed it for ya.

Kevin Drum’s take on this:

…What’s really telling about this is that you can almost see the gears turning in his brain when he came up with this answer. Obviously he had to say “no,” because he knows that the Republican base would go nuts over the idea of a Muslim in his cabinet. But he can’t just say that, can he? So his Bain-trained analytic mind went searching for a plausible excuse and the first thing that popped out of the wetware was a numerical explanation: (a) minorities deserve cabinet positions in proportion to their population, (b) one cabinet position is 5% of all cabinet positions, (c) therefore only groups with at least 15 million members are “justified” in getting one, (d) Muslims aren’t even close to that, so (e) no dice. However, since they do make up about 2% of the population, they certainly qualify for 2% of all the lower level positions.

I still think Romneys first response was better.

Since the percentage of americans that are muslim is so small, there would be no reason to have one around!

Tres Classy!

Rep. Keith Ellison must be crushed that he won’t be part of a Romney cabinet.

From that CSMonitor link in the post:

Romney, whose Mormon faith has become the subject of heated debate in Republican caucuses, wants America to be blind to his religious beliefs and judge him on merit instead. Yet he seems to accept excluding Muslims because of their religion, claiming they’re too much of a minority for a post in high-level policymaking. More ironic, that Islamic heritage is what qualifies them to best engage America’s Arab and Muslim communities and to help deter Islamist threats.

My bold. Ironically, the fact that Mitt’s Mormon, and that his family history is written so deeply into the history of the Latter Day Saints, is the most important reason, inter alia, that will keep him out of the White House.

When you’re as immensely qualified as Willy is (hair, teeth, and screwing up whole states), I guess you don’t need any Muslims in your cabinet.

Nor anyone else with any real qualifications.

Hey, it’s been this way for nearly 8 years, why change now?

Ignorance is no excuse for stupidity.

Albatross @ 17

Rep. Keith Ellison must be crushed that he won’t be part of a Romney cabinet.

No. More to the point is that my critter will not be part of Mitt’s cabinet precisely because there will be no Romney administration. You simply can’t be part of something that doesn’t exist. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Pigs will fly first before Americans vote for a Mormon for president. Not politically correct, I know. But it’s the simple unvarnished truth.

Blue Texan @ 7

There are so many things wrong with that quote, it’s hard to unpack them all.

Aye, truer words were never spoken. The horrible part is, this might actually BOOST him in GOP base.

I can’t think of a single cabinet office where religion would matter, though making sure the Education dept did NOT go to an Intelligent Design supporter might count. And giving State to a Wiccan might result in a MUCH better world.

Boxturtle(But I’m Wiccan, so I might be biased)

Romney is a fucking elitist.
I remember an article the Boston Globe did
on his wife Ann… She bemoaned the fact that when Mitt and her were in college, they had
to dip into their trust funds to meet expenses.
Tough way to struggle?

For perspective, the following percentage-of-U.S.-population figures are from the Wikipedia:

relig’n 1990 2001 change percent
Jewish 1.8% 1.4% -0.4% -8.1%
Muslim 0.3% 0.6% 0.3% 109.5%
Mormon 1.5% 1.4% -0.1% 12.1%

If we linearly extrapolate to 2012, we see:

Jewish 1.0%
Muslim 0.9%
Mormon 1.3%

Hmmmm.

Hmm. And Novakula said (youtube link provided by request and at your own risk) that Romney was “perfect, every girl’s dream.” I am looking and reading and somehow I just don’t agree with Novakula.

“[A]ll executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States”

Smgumby @ 16

I still think Romneys first response was better.

Since the percentage of americans that are muslim is so small, there would be no reason to have one around!

Tres Classy!

PBS had a show on last night about America’s growing Muslim prison population. With fears of radicalism and counter spokes persons. One American muslim spokes person made a beautiful point: It’s not we who bomb churches in our history (Black America) or kill doctors and or attack abortion clinics. That’s just not in our history.

egregious @ 14

AZ Matt @ 8

What self-respecting Muslim person would want to work for him anyway?

Fixed it for ya.

Beat me to it…

Wow… What gets me is just how blind these GOP’ers are to their own hypocracy — Mitt notwithstanding.

mui @ 24

Hmm. And Novakula said (youtube link provided by request and at your own risk) that Romney was “perfect, every girl’s dream.” I am looking and reading and somehow I just don’t agree with Novakula.

and that from Novakula, every girl’s nightmare

Hahaha!

a few years ago a young and gullible relative of mine was pursuaded to give to a pair of nice polite young morman missionaries her entire family background.
this information was collected without my or my families knowlege or permission.
i have no way of deleting this info from morman databanks(or however they store my personal details).
i don’t know what they want with my personal details or how they use it.
i don’t know who they give that information to.
et bloody cetera.
although a persons religion is their business,they have no business using it as an excuse to sneak into my life and steal personal information.i do mean steal!this information was taken without my permission and if i had known that info was being gathered,permission would have been denied.

as far as i am concerned,this organisation is engaged in a world wide operation of sneak theft.

for what it’s worth.

Biodun,
I agree.
I also think he’s hard to “read.”
Body language is really stiff, eyes are hooded and deep-set…he’s got teh crazy eyes. I think it’s a really big turn-off on some level.

mui @ 24

Hmm. And Novakula said (youtube link provided by request and at your own risk) that Romney was “perfect, every girl’s dream.” I am looking and reading and somehow I just don’t agree with Novakula.

Is Novakula projecting himself into that “every girl”? Just askin’…

NCBlueneck @ 32

mui @ 24

Hmm. And Novakula said (youtube link provided by request and at your own risk) that Romney was “perfect, every girl’s dream.” I am looking and reading and somehow I just don’t agree with Novakula.

Is Novakula projecting himself into that “every girl”? Just askin’…

If I was playing armchair psychologist, I’d have to say, yes.

And this will be all over the talking head shows in 3..2..1.., oh wait, nevermind.

Kind of like other candidates restrictions for their cabinets… ‘no scientologists and no mormons’

may @ 30

a few years ago a young and gullible relative of mine was pursuaded to give to a pair of nice polite young morman missionaries her entire family background.
this information was collected without my or my families knowlege or permission.
i have no way of deleting this info from morman databanks(or however they store my personal details).
i don’t know what they want with my personal details or how they use it.
i don’t know who they give that information to.
et bloody cetera.
although a persons religion is their business,they have no business using it as an excuse to sneak into my life and steal personal information.i do mean steal!this information was taken without my permission and if i had known that info was being gathered,permission would have been denied.

as far as i am concerned,this organisation is engaged in a world wide operation of sneak theft.

for what it’s worth.

They have a geneology database. They’re bent on proving the whole world is related. The datbase is actually pretty useful. They should not however include living relatives. Go to their site and tell them to remove those names.

AZ Matt @ 8

What self-respecting Muslim would want to work for him anyway?

The dude that is now US ambassador to the UN(and former ambassador to Iraq), Zalmay Khalilzad, can’t be too happy about that. He even signed Bill Kristol’s PNAC letters too.

How I spent Thanksgiving:

http://www.freewayblogger.com/thanksgiving07.htm

Damn near all of them stayed up through the weekend too – even the big in-your-face overpass signs. I think the cops/Caltrans/Republcans have finally given up.

you say potato, I say potato
what’s a nice session of hatred going to cost today? perhaps he will go on record about black people, maybe even oriental buddha types, and hispanics and goats?
what have we become that our press wouldn’t laugh this clown into oblivion for being a walking hate crime? why isn’t the press using “racketeer rudy” or “mayor mafia” as their description of someone so clearly corrupt. Not to mention the klan member that conservatives are saying is the least offensive to them?

bye you all

mui @ 36

may @ 30

as far as i am concerned,this organisation is engaged in a world wide operation of sneak theft.

for what it’s worth.

They have a geneology database. They’re bent on proving the whole world is related. The datbase is actually pretty useful. They should not however include living relatives. Go to their site and tell them to remove those names.

Hope this link helps.

Margot @ 31:

There’s also something phony baloney about the man. He’s taken so many contradictory positions depending on the circumstances. He’s worse than Mama Hillary in that respect. His current spat with Rudy is nonsense (not that I’m defending Rudy: They can both destroy each other as far as I’m concerned). He once confused Obama with Osama when he said the former wanted terrorists to come to America (absolute crowning gibberish). Someone above mentioned elitist. Yes, and also arrogant.

I really don’t know what’s to like about the man. The fact that he ran the Winter Olympics successfully in Salt Lake City? (I can do that in my sleep…*g*)

scarlet p. @ 38

How I spent Thanksgiving:

http://www.freewayblogger.com/thanksgiving07.htm

Damn near all of them stayed up through the weekend too – even the big in-your-face overpass signs. I think the cops/Caltrans/Republcans have finally given up.

It was such an honor to meet you at the little cabin by the creek in the redwoods, scarlet. Thank you for all that you do!

scarlet p. @ 38

How I spent Thanksgiving:

http://www.freewayblogger.com/thanksgiving07.htm

Damn near all of them stayed up through the weekend too – even the big in-your-face overpass signs. I think the cops/Caltrans/Republcans have finally given up.

Yay!

OT, but this should curdle your morning yogurt.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/…..poena.html

Maybe Willard would appoint a responsible, fair and balanced Republican to oversee Commerce.

Whoa, my fingers burned typing that out.

Mui,thanks for the response.
i think,that although my request would be politely and publically acknowleged,it would be ignored.i have no faith in the goodwill or honesty of people who gather personal information in such an underhanded manner.

Bay State Librul @ 22

Romney is a fucking elitist.
I remember an article the Boston Globe did
on his wife Ann… She bemoaned the fact that when Mitt and her were in college, they had
to dip into their trust funds to meet expenses.
Tough way to struggle?

Oh I’d LOVE to see that article unearthed. Reminds me of here in Minnesota when State Auditor (and future governor) Arne Carlson sneered that student loans were a waste because college kids only used them to buy stereos.

I just about spat my ramen noodles across the single room I was living in. I was working four jobs (cartoonist, video operator, programmer and forensics coach) while attending college and didn’t own a stereo for another fifteen years. Arrogant, elitist SOBs…

Odd thta Ijaz dontated to the democratic party before making up this story. Here is the response from Romney:

“No, that’s not what I said. His question was, Did I need to have a Muslim in my Cabinet in order to confront radical jihad, or would it be important to have a Muslim in my Cabinet?’ And I said no, I don’t think you need a Muslim in the Cabinet to take on radical jihad any more than we needed a Japanese American to understand the threat that was coming from Japan or something of that nature.” – Romney

Hey scarlet, twas good to meet you. Keep up the good work.

David Aquarius @ 44

OT, but this should curdle your morning yogurt.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/…..poena.html

Maybe Willard would appoint a responsible, fair and balanced Republican to oversee Commerce.

Whoa, my fingers burned typing that out.

From your link:

Crocker scolded prosecutors in July for not looking for alternatives earlier.

“If the government had been more diligent in looking for work-arounds instead of baring its teeth when Amazon balked, it’s probable that this entire First Amendment showdown could have been avoided,” he wrote.

The company asked Crocker to unseal the records after D’Angelo was indicted last month. Crocker granted the request over the objections of federal prosecutors, who wanted them kept secret.

“Shining some sunlight on the instant dispute reassures the public that someone is watching the watchers, and that this district’s federal prosecutors are part of the solution, not part of the problem,” he wrote.

oh may @30, I found info about Mormons and genealogy on about.com.
It’s always struck me as a little strange, yes.

The Mormons have gone all over the world collecting and preserving the vital records of as many people as they can, they have even gone to the South Pacific and taken down the oral histories. They have a huge library in Salt Lake City and store the records in an incredible repository in the salt caverns in Utah.

They are very generous in sharing the information.

Elliott @ 51

The Mormons have gone all over the world collecting and preserving the vital records of as many people as they can, they have even gone to the South Pacific and taken down the oral histories. They have a huge library in Salt Lake City and store the records in an incredible repository in the salt caverns in Utah.

They are very generous in sharing the information.

Strange reasons yes, but useful for that ever popular pastime, genealogy.

egregious @ 14

AZ Matt @ 8

What self-respecting Muslim person would want to work for him anyway?

Fixed it for ya.

You are too kind!

And now Team Romney is denying, sort of, that Mitt made those remarks above about Muslims in his nonexistent cabinet:

Team Romney indicates that they are skeptical of Mr. Ijaz’s account [in The Christian Science Monitor]. They’re not saying that the quote is false, because they don’t have a record of the exact words in their conversation; their meeting occurred at a political fundraiser in Las Vegas. But they say that the quotes of Romney that appear in Ijaz’s article don’t represent the views of their man.

They point to this comment, on CNN’s Situation Room, yesterday, as representative of his views:

Governor Romney: “… But I also think that suggesting that we have to fill spots based on checking off boxes of various ethnic groups is really a very inappropriate way to think about how we staff positions. I’m very pleased that, among my Cabinet members, for instance, I had several African-American individuals. I had people of different backgrounds. But I don’t go in every circumstance I’m in and say, OK, how many African-Americans, how many Hispanic-Americans, how many Asian-Americans, and fill boxes that way. I fill responsibilities based upon people’s merit and their skill. And, sometimes, it includes many ethnic minorities. And, other times, it includes different minorities. But I’m very pleased with my record.” (CNN’s “Situation Room,” 11/27/07)

Shifting/shifty postions yet once again. That didn’t take long, did it.

scarlet p. @ 38

How I spent Thanksgiving:

http://www.freewayblogger.com/thanksgiving07.htm

Damn near all of them stayed up through the weekend too – even the big in-your-face overpass signs. I think the cops/Caltrans/Republcans have finally given up.

They search him here
They search him there
They search for him most everywhere
That demm’d elusive Pimpernel!

Elliott @ 51

The Mormons have gone all over the world collecting and preserving the vital records of as many people as they can, they have even gone to the South Pacific and taken down the oral histories. They have a huge library in Salt Lake City and store the records in an incredible repository in the salt caverns in Utah.

They are very generous in sharing the information.

gathering information is laudable.

gathering personal information without knowlege or permission is theft.
having unpermitted information of a person and that person having no control over what uses their personal information is put to,is theft.

may @ 56

Elliott @ 51

The Mormons have gone all over the world collecting and preserving the vital records of as many people as they can, they have even gone to the South Pacific and taken down the oral histories. They have a huge library in Salt Lake City and store the records in an incredible repository in the salt caverns in Utah.

They are very generous in sharing the information.

gathering information is laudable.

gathering personal information without knowlege or permission is theft.
having unpermitted information of a person and that person having no control over what uses their personal information is put to,is theft.

I agree. Especially with living relatives. It is easy enough to gather info by census and other records.

dakine01 @55:

“They seek him here,
They seek him there,
(Those Frenchies seek him everywhere!)
Is he in Heaven or in Hell?
That demm’d elusive Pimpernel!”

A poem by Sir Percy Blakeney…

About that Mitt:

Mitt Romney’s political positions have evolved considerably over the course of his political career. As a candidate for office in Massachusetts, Romney repeatedly claimed to hold liberal or moderate views on social issues such as abortion and gay marriage. As a candidate for the Republican nomination for President, Romney has expressed views more in line with traditional conservative ones on social issues, and now portrays himself as a social conservative.

Romney has explained his changing views as a process of evolution.

My bold. I don’t think that’s the kind of evolution Charles Darwin had in mind when he came out of Galapagos Island.

Cartoons reveal the funniest things……about the Mormons: “Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, DUMB!”

Brisingamen @ 58

dakine01 @55:

“They seek him here,
They seek him there,
(Those Frenchies seek him everywhere!)
Is he in Heaven or in Hell?
That demm’d elusive Pimpernel!”

A poem by Sir Percy Blakeney…

I know. I figured the part about the “Frenchies” was a bit much though after all the cr*p they’ve been through the last few years.

OfT: Another Bushie gets tangled in his drawers:

The American Red Cross ousted its president, Mark Everson, on Tuesday after learning that he had engaged in a “personal relationship” with a subordinate employee.

Everson, the former commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service, took the Red Cross job last May as the charity sought to restructure itself after sharp criticism of its response to Hurricane Katrina.

In a statement, the Red Cross said asked for and received Everson’s resignation, effective immediately, after learning of the relationship.

“It concluded that the situation reflected poor judgment on Mr. Everson’s part and diminished his ability to lead the organization in the future,” the statement said. It did not identify the other employee.

He musta moved fast — he’s only been on the job since May!

And he’s simply not liked by anyone right or left:

Critics of Romney, on the left and the right, are less flattering and portray Romney as an opportunist. Democratic Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank, once said of Romney “The real Romney is clearly an extraordinarily ambitious man with no perceivable political principle whatsoever. He is the most intellectually dishonest human being in the history of politics.” Fellow Republican Presidential candidate Senator John McCain also criticized Romney, saying “Maybe I should wait a couple of weeks and see if it [Romney’s views on immigration] changes because it’s changed in less than a year from his position before.”

My bold. Very apt assessment, IMO.

(Same link as my 59.)

I’m curious to know if Mark Everson’s “tangle” was with a man or woman. The SFGate article didn’t identify the employee.

Biodun @ 64

I’m curious to know if Mark Everson’s “tangle” was with a man or woman. The SFGate article didn’t identify the employee.

The article has been updated:

In a statement, the Red Cross said its board of governors asked for and received Everson’s resignation, effective immediately, after learning within the past two weeks of the relationship with a woman on the Red Cross staff. The woman was not identified.

may

The only people they have in their online database are those born before 1930, which is all public information. (So is the social security death index.)

Take a deep breath. Check with your relative, directly, and find out who the missionaries are, then ask them, directly, what they told her. Secondhand information is not always accurate.

TSF:

Thanks.

Based solely on the numbers, I don’t see how a theory that anyone from the Church of the Latter Day Saints needs to be President can possibly be borne out…maybe an alderman…but surely a Governorship is already Peter principled enough from a pure demographic qualification. I mean, mathematical equity, that is what matters, right?

P J Evans @ 66

may

The only people they have in their online database are those born before 1930, which is all public information. (So is the social security death index.)

Take a deep breath. Check with your relative, directly, and find out who the missionaries are, then ask them, directly, what they told her. Secondhand information is not always accurate.

Of course, another down side is that they have been known to posthumously “convert” non-Mormons and “baptize” them into the Mormon faith.

Biodun @64:

A Republican? Hmm, if I were inclined to wager I’d bet the “tangle” was a same-sex relationship…

(dakine01 — _The Scarlet Pimpernel_ is one of my favorite stories! But I take your point about the French.)

Romney – Harsh Authoritarian
Guiliani – Amoral Corporatist
Huckabee – Intolerant Theocrat

That’s not a very pretty line-up to choose from!

johnSwifty @ 68:

Here’s that math breakdown:

It turns out that there are 16 members in a president’s Cabinet — the vice president plus the heads of 15 executive departments — which means that each individual member represents 6.2 percent of the Cabinet.

According to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey, 76.5 percent of Americans identify themselves as some kind of Christian. Under Romney’s logic, that means Christians should get about 12 seats in the next president’s Cabinet. Catholics get about four of those seats; Baptists gets two or three; Methodists get one and maybe two if we lump them together with the Lutherans. The Presbyterians could get a seat, but only if they shared it with the Episcopalians and the Pentacostals.

If Romney said what he’s said to have said, he’s certainly right about the Muslims, of course: At just 0.5 percent of the U.S. population, they’re not numerically entitled to a seat in the president’s Cabinet.

I hope Mr Ijaz responds to Team Romney’s weaseling. It sounds to me that they aren’t willing to call him a liar, but they aren’t too sure what their man Mitt actually said.

If he was answering a question about “fighting the forces of jihad” why would Romney’s answer have anything to do with numerical representation? And why would Mr Ijaz make up the complicated quote about representation, and lesser positions?

For someone who seeks not to have his religion judged as he seeks the Presidency, Willard seems to make a lot of judgments about the capabilities of those of faiths other than his own.

Brisingamen,
It’s one of mine as well. Although I do admit, I prefer the Leslie Howard movie version to the TV version they did a few years ago.

Brisingamen @ 70:

See TSF @ 65. That’s what I thought too at first. I then would have said Repugs give gays a bad name.

It sounds to me that they aren’t willing to call him a liar, but they aren’t too sure what their man Mitt actually said.

I hope he’s got it on tape. That way the Corner can’t say, “He said/he said.”

radiofreewill @ 70

Romney – Harsh Authoritarian
Guiliani – Amoral Corporatist
Huckabee – Intolerant Theocrat

That’s not a very pretty line-up to choose from!

But you forgot Freddie who seems to now think he is another Ronnie.

Elliott @ 51

The Mormons have gone all over the world collecting and preserving the vital records of as many people as they can, they have even gone to the South Pacific and taken down the oral histories. They have a huge library in Salt Lake City and store the records in an incredible repository in the salt granite caverns in Utah.

They are very generous in sharing the information.

A large part of the repository, though I don’t know if it is all there, is in the granite cliffs at the base of Little Cottonwood Canyon. I pass by it 2-3 times/year when I go skiing at Alta.

Mitt Romney is a girly man.

P J Evans @ 66

may

The only people they have in their online database are those born before 1930, which is all public information. (So is the social security death index.)

Take a deep breath. Check with your relative, directly, and find out who the missionaries are, then ask them, directly, what they told her. Secondhand information is not always accurate.

oh,this is a few years ago.when we asked the relly who,when and where,the answer was vague to say the least.the relly has clammed up and hasn’t had anything to do with the organisation since.so the whole thing is a bit of a black hole.this post brought it all back along with the feeling of “who do these sactimonious, sneaking god-botherers think they are!!”

Unbelievable quote—-if the best person for the job happened to be a Moslem- they wouldn’t get appointed cause they belong to a group that’s too small a part of the population to COUNT…..So Romney’s a Mormon- also too small a part of the population to count- and if you take Heritage Society members- well they’re a teeny weeny part- but goopers appoint em to all the judgeships. Whadda dick! This alone proves he can’t be prez.

Biodun @ 72

johnSwifty @ 68:

Here’s that math breakdown:

It turns out that there are 16 members in a president’s Cabinet — the vice president plus the heads of 15 executive departments — which means that each individual member represents 6.2 percent of the Cabinet.

According to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey, 76.5 percent of Americans identify themselves as some kind of Christian. Under Romney’s logic, that means Christians should get about 12 seats in the next president’s Cabinet. Catholics get about four of those seats; Baptists gets two or three; Methodists get one and maybe two if we lump them together with the Lutherans. The Presbyterians could get a seat, but only if they shared it with the Episcopalians and the Pentacostals.

If Romney said what he’s said to have said, he’s certainly right about the Muslims, of course: At just 0.5 percent of the U.S. population, they’re not numerically entitled to a seat in the president’s Cabinet.

See, doesn’t that just make soooooo much more sense than simply trying to find the best person for the job? It’s really good to finally see the Republican party coming around to the idea of quotas. Of course, like all ideas that require nuance and advanced mental perspective, the Republicans will be slow on the uptake. But I think their prevailing undercurrents of cultural bias and racism will be helpful factors in this regard, not so?

OT –

Carson Daly is gonna defy the writers strike. The tool that he is. I hope people boycott his silly show.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..arson_daly

Elliott @ 51

The Mormons have gone all over the world collecting and preserving the vital records of as many people as they can, they have even gone to the South Pacific and taken down the oral histories. They have a huge library in Salt Lake City and store the records in an incredible repository in the salt caverns in Utah.

They are very generous in sharing the information.

Shame they couldn’t preserve Mormon’s golden tablets. Now there would have been something worth hanging on to!

Good Grief.
First, if Mitt was hiring for a private company, this would make a great lawsuit.

Maybe his campaign staff can start sewing little crescent moons, yellow stars, and pink triangles on people so Mitt knows who to hire and who not to.

The golden tablets got taken away buy a guy named macaroni er somethin—ya can’t see em any more- they’re in heaven- which is somewhere near Provo.

Deep down inside, Romney is and always will
be a (ad)venture capitalist… Remember Bain & Co?

Once read a bit of the book of Mormon—-Apparently the Macaroni guy wrote in something that sounds a little like a hacked up version of the english that appears in the King James Bible….not greek or samarian.

Here’s Mitt today:

”When Hillary’s plan first came out, Rudy Giuliani had nothing but praise for Hillary’s plan. Why the change? Why the change in attitude? When it first came out, he was all roses and petals for Hillary’s plan. All full of praise. Now I’m running for president, he’s decided it’s not such a good idea,” Romney said during a news conference after touring a children’s hospital.

My bold. Grammar alert!

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 83

OT –

Carson Daly is gonna defy the writers strike. The tool that he is. I hope people boycott his silly show.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..arson_daly

Have you ever seen his show? It’s an absolute train-wreck anyway. To not watch it is to save yourself an incredible amount of pain and anguish.

This idiocy blows me away on so many levels. I’m not surprised by it, mind you — but blown away nonetheless.

But if Mitt wants to talk about numbers, let’s talk about numbers . . .

According to Adherents.com, there are roughly the same number of Muslims in the US as there are members of the Assemblies of God. (Scroll down at the links to the appropriate tables.)

Numerically speaking, then, if John Ashcroft (Assemblies of God — thus making him the A of G AG) could be in the cabinet, probably there is room for a Muslim.

Get a grip, Mitt.

Following Mitt’s own logic, since Mormons are such a small percentage of the population, Mitt is aiming for too high an office. He should be content with less.

Just use his own logic against him! Encourage him to drop out of the race – for that reason.

johnSwifty @ 84

Elliott @ 51

The Mormons have gone all over the world collecting and preserving the vital records of as many people as they can, they have even gone to the South Pacific and taken down the oral histories. They have a huge library in Salt Lake City and store the records in an incredible repository in the salt caverns in Utah.

They are very generous in sharing the information.

Shame they couldn’t preserve Mormon’s golden tablets. Now there would have been something worth hanging on to!

yes, I’d like to cast an eye on those!

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 83

OT –

Carson Daly is gonna defy the writers strike. The tool that he is. I hope people boycott his silly show.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..arson_daly

It should be interesting to see when Leno, Letterman, Jon Stewart, and Stephen Colbert cross the picket line…

Bay State Librul @ 87

Deep down inside, Romney is and always will
be a (ad)venture capitalist… Remember Bain & Co?

and howard hughs?(?)

Will Willard commit to appoint a cabinet mostly composed of women? Cause of the numbers and all.

Thunderbird @ 90

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 83

OT –

Carson Daly is gonna defy the writers strike. The tool that he is. I hope people boycott his silly show.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..arson_daly

Have you ever seen his show? It’s an absolute train-wreck anyway. To not watch it is to save yourself an incredible amount of pain and anguish.

Never watched it, but that doesn’t mean I’m not boycotting it. I’m boycotting Ellen’s wee programme as well.

Peterr @ 91

This idiocy blows me away on so many levels. I’m not surprised by it, mind you — but blown away nonetheless.

But if Mitt wants to talk about numbers, let’s talk about numbers . . .

According to Adherents.com, there are roughly the same number of Muslims in the US as there are members of the Assemblies of God. (Scroll down at the links to the appropriate tables.)

Numerically speaking, then, if John Ashcroft (Assemblies of God — thus making him the A of G AG) could be in the cabinet, probably there is room for a Muslim.

Get a grip, Mitt.

And UnBelievers should get about 3 Cabinet positions — like that’ll ever happen!

rwcole @ 88

Once read a bit of the book of Mormon—-Apparently the Macaroni guy wrote in something that sounds a little like a hacked up version of the english that appears in the King James Bible….not greek or samarian.

I’ve read a good bit of the books. The actual part directly attributable to Mormon is no more than a page or two. It was Mormon’s son, the macaroni guy, who died and protected the golden plates until Joe came along and found ‘em.

It makes for interesting reading, as if one of the second string players for the King James revision was doing a little moonlighting in the new world.

It’s not L. Ron Hubbard quality, mind you, but it’s not bad!

Re: Mitt and logic:

He simply doesn’t have any. No logic, no grammar. As Nietzsche said: Metaphysics can be boiled down to grammar.

Elliott @ 93

johnSwifty @ 84

Shame they couldn’t preserve Mormon’s golden tablets. Now there would have been something worth hanging on to!

yes, I’d like to cast an eye on those!

would also love to see the tablets Moses brought down from the mountain and the ark that held them.

Jane’s upstairs with John Laesh…

Report on the NYC WGA rally in Washington Square Park at noon.

Rally lasted about 1-1/4 hours. John Edwards was there, as were Jerrold Nadler, Scott Stringer, Manhattan Borough President, another politico who I forgotten, actors like Danny Glover & Aasif Mandvi from TDS, a bunch of union leaders, like teachers, AFL-CIO, NYS-SEIU, other entertainment guilds, etc. Neither Clinton nor Obama showed. They both sent statements. Clinton’s was greated with absolute silence, Obama’s with light polite applause. Also absent was Mayor Bloomberg or any other NYC U.S. representative. Schumer neither attended nor sent a statement.

I’m bad at crowd estimates. Thought there might have been 500-1000. However, when I went to try to find a WGA button at the end, they said they had brought 1,000 & given out all of them. Don’t know how many asked for multiples, but saw less than half the crowd wearing them. So perhaps attendance was as much as 2,000.

The program was well organized and snapily run. However, the nature of the crowd was that it was hard to get it roaring. You know how those folks are who work with their heads.

I’m not related to the industry but I want to support their efforts. I am also curious to see first hand how labor is organizing. There’s definitely a realization that the stakes are high, with one person saying it was the first strike of the 21st Century. Nevertheless, there didn’t seem to be a lot of momentum. Probably going up a learning curve, since it has been so long since labor has been anything but moribund. The worm begins to turn.

Things they could have done better. Too few signs, too few buttons. They should have brought thousands of the latter. I was hoping to wear it around Manhattan, on subways, etc, which makes a statement & spreads the word. I also saw little media. There were a couple of radio stations, but no TV that I saw. Perhaps the MSM won’t cover the strike because they view it as a threat to their business. But in the Internet age, there’s got to be alternative ways to get out the message & get it viral. Perhaps there were alternate media there that I didn’t see, but there must be a really big effort if MSM won’t cover it.

Elliott @ 101

Elliott @ 93

yes, I’d like to cast an eye on those!

would also love to see the tablets Moses brought down from the mountain and the ark that held them.

I think you can get almost the same effect from going to the Creation Museum:

http://scalzi.com/whatever/?p=121

Warning, I have not laughed this hard, in a long, long time. If you are at all reverent, this ain’t!

Biodun @ 102

Jane’s upstairs with John Laesh…

. . . and other non-Blue America conversations can continue down here (out of politeness toward our guest).

thank you J Swifty

eCAHN
thank you for the detailed report, and thank you for stepping up and stepping out.

dakine01 @ 69

I heard they got sued over that, and quit doing it. Or at least quit talking about it: what they say now is that everyone gets an option (after death) to become a Mormon.
(I figure once you’re dead, it doesn’t matter much to you. It’s only the living who care.)

You can find a lot of information other places, if you really want to find your dead ancestors. Try Rootsweb and USGenNet(free) or Ancestry (requires money). They’re owned by the same people, but the aim is a bit different.
For software, I use Rootsmagic (Family Tree Maker is not as good).
All the software (and nearly everything else in the field) comes out of Utah.

The Bush administration is full of Evangelical Christians hired not for any expertise but for their religious fervor. We have seen the damage that has done. Why should the next president bring someone into his or her Cabinet based on their religion.

Racist fucking cult member.

After George, I presumed it was impossible to be too stupid to be president. Wrong again.

Romney lies as easily as taking a piss.