During the many tortured hours of public statements and Congressional testimony that Alberto Gonzales gave before he resigned as AG, he repeatedly sought to distinguish among multiple intelligence gathering programs which the government is currently running. He repeatedly said the phrase “the program the President has confirmed.”
It got me thinking about all the programs that we know something about, because we have to assume that the program(s) everybody on Capitol Hill are pussyfooting around are some variation, expansion or combination of one or more of the following:
Echelon
Echelon is a global signals intelligence gathering and analysis network. It is done pursuant to a treaty among the English speaking nations of the world (UK, Australia, New Zealand, USA, Canada). It used to be performed primarily through the maintenance of “listening stations” set up to capture communications satellite signals, but as more and more world wide communications have moved to fiber optic cable, so too has Echelon moved to capturing information via switch rooms in certain key locations around the world, yes, including San Francisco.
Carnivore
Carnivore was a system implemented by the FBI similar to wiretapping, although instead of listening in on telephone calls, the system monitors a person’s Internet traffic, that is emails and web use.
The Carnivore system is a Microsoft Windows-based workstation with packet-sniffing software and a removable disk drive.[1] This computer must be physically installed at an Internet service provider (ISP) or other location where it can “sniff” traffic on a LAN segment to look for email messages in transit. The technology itself is not highly advanced — it uses a standard packet sniffer and some fairly straightforward filtering (such as a Perl script).
Getting the cooperation of the ISPs or the owner of the LAN onto which Carnivore is to be placed can either be voluntary or by court order; however, once a system is in place it is allegedly not allowed to simply capture every email that passes through the system — by existing U.S. law, publicly acknowledged USG personnel are required to get a warrant or court order naming specific people or email addresses that may be monitored. When an email passes through that matches the filtering criteria mandated by the warrant, the message is logged along with information on the date, time, origin and destination.
Supposedly the FBI abandoned its own customized software in favor of off the shelf commercially available packet sniffing software sometime in 2001. I find myself wondering if this “commercially available” software is not the very same software that the telephone companies and Internet Service Providers use themselves to do their own market research on…..us.
CALEA
Could it be a program related to the rules and programs implemented under the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (a/k/a CALEA)? Passed in 1994, CALEA amended the US Criminal Code which obliges telephone companies to make it possible for law enforcement agencies to tap any phone conversations carried out over its networks, as well as making call details (often referred to as MUDs—message unit details, and LUDs—long distance unit details) available. The act also stipulates that it must not be possible for a person to detect that his or her conversation is being monitored by the respective government agency.
In 2005, in response to a petition dated March 10, 2004 by the DOJ and FBI, [Ed. note, if you only have time to click on one link---this is it!] the FCC issued a report and Order that said that CALEA applied to facilities-based broadband Internet access providers and providers of interconnected (with the PSTN, Public Switched Telephone Network) Voice-over-Internet-Protocol (VOIP) services. There’s a great wiki here. BTW, the hospital room confrontation between Comey and Ashcroft happened on March 10, 2004.
Anyway, these are my top suspects. Anybody out there have any to add to the list?
Update: If my theory is correct, namely that the “program”= eschelon (utilizing the latest version of Carnivore) + CALEA; that would help to explain a lot about the Comey/Gonzo clash in Ashcroft’s hospital room.
Comey is not the sort of puffed up idiot who would provoke a crisis over the parsing of a couple words. So, I have always believed that the reason for the crisis, had to be something that was just black and white under the law.
If you look at the timing, Comey talks to Ashcroft on March 9th and Ashcroft agrees not to re-authorize the program. Hours later Ashcroft collapses.
March 10th is the application date of the DOJ application to the FCC to have CALEA extended to Internet. Just because that is the application date, does not mean they filled out and submitted the application on that date. It was just the date chosen to start a clock running. Why, because often (but not always) in law, if you apply to do something, you can go ahead and do it while your application is still pending. So, if the AG wasn’t going to certify, and they didn’t want to have an interruption in the spying, they had to have another way to keep it going until the could make it legal.
IIRC there was some reference to needing a couple weeks to make it “legal”. Well that’s about how long it would take to put together the FCC application. Also, Goldsmith has said publicly that he was not opposed to the activity, just that you had to have a legal authority to do it. Getting an FCC ruling would do that.
And getting an FCC ruling would create at least the appearance of independant decision making. And you threw in the DEA as a legitimate consumer of this spying product to be a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down.
I think the showdown was over internet spying.




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LHP!
Loosehead, thank you for this careful analysis. It bothered me as well when Gonzo kept qualifying his words by saying “the program the President has confirmed” because he was clearly weaseling around something else.
There are a lot of people who have little pieces of the puzzle. Need to collect and assemble enough pieces to see what the picture is.
Mornin folks.
Woohoo!
That is the real reason for the panic and need for immunity. The Govt would probably end up paying any legal judgments for Intel Spying but full exposure of the other would be very costly.
I got into a great arguement/discussion with my father in law about why the govt. would want to read his e-mails, letters, and listen to his telephone calls….
Morning all…
I’m wondering to what extent Clusterfuck can hide the truth of what he’s done AFTER he leaves office. With a gooper replacement he might have a chance- but can he shred and classify his medacious record from public view otherwise?
shooogarp @ 6
And?
Trent Lott resigning the seat he won a year ago- his staff says he’s in good health- just tired (of the shit) Gooper named Pickering on short list to replace him… Fascist?
egregious @ 2
What I took away from that was that there are *several* programs of dubious legality up and running. Gonzo had no choice but to acknowledge that the prez had acknowledged *something*, but he was gonna be good and goddamned if he’d give up anything more, (or even specifically name “the program which the president has confirmed”).
So, I figure that probably *all* of the programs lhp mentions are up and running and probably more.
all of which is my way of saying that I don’t know the answer to lhp’s question.
wow – thanks for the calea links, it’s something i need to read about (that’s what i get for not paying enough attention my of my life).
ot – lhp, wanted to say thank you – a couple of people emailed me with your great link for congress contact info (i especially like that chief of staffs, legislative directors, and communication directors are usually included).
Have any of the dem candidates commented on getting to the bottom of Clusterfuck spying and putting people in jail if warranted?
I’ve been wondering about this myself for a long time, and also wondering why the corporate media and the people’s Congress haven’t followed up on it more visibly.
I wonder if that customized software was related to the work produced by this contractor.
jayt @ 11
and i want the public to be informed BEFORE any talk of amnesty.
Mushie takin off his uniform and stepping down from Military before taking oath of office thursday.
rwcole @ 8
Yes, as you recall, there is an Executive Order keeping GHW Bush’s stuff secret for another 25 yearsjayt @ 11
I think some version of all of the above are running, too
rwcole @ 10
“Larry Flynt, editor and publisher of Hustler magazine, just told FOX Business Network’s Neil Cavuto that he’s “hoping to expose a bombshell” that will stand “Washington and the country on its head.” Within the next week or two, he says his magazine will expose a sex scandal of huge proportions involving a prominent United States Senator. Flynt refused to comment on the Senator’s political affiliation, but alluded that he or she is a Republican.”
I would like the story to be he is having an affair with Haley Barbour
hm, “tortured” testimony by Gonzales. Well put.
:o)
“affair with Haley Barbour”
Now that’s funny- in an extremely ugly- hideously ugly- sort of way.
shooogarp @ 6
These discussions always go the same way. “If you have nothing to hide why do you care…” That mentality blows my mind but seems quite pervasive in these days of “security trumps all”.
selise @ 15
Which is why this post is running today. Remember, most of the legislators who will be voting on the new FISA bill, know far less about this than we do.
They need to know this information, which is why I’m trying to get it out there
Would be great if Ol Trent was dickin the Hidden Dick–but we couldn’t be that lucky.
looseheadprop @ 17
Note to incoming Dem President in 2009: what one Executive Order giveth, another can taketh away.
Of course, it can’t retrieve documents that have been destroyed — though that does open up those doing the destroying to federal charges relating to all kinds of nasty things, from violations of the Presidential Records Act to conspiracy to obstruct justice to . . . Let’s just say it’s a long list.
Now we know why goopers are so rarely involved in sex scandals with women.
Following Abu’s testimony, it practically screamed out over and over that there were additional programs spying on America.
He all but admitted it over and over with his clarifications that he was “only talking about the program the president disclosed”.
The lack of follow-up by the congress and the media has been incredibly disheartening ever since…
So that is what Briscoe on Law & Order always meant when he said he would ask for a suspect’s LUDs.
LHP – I looked at your CALEA link and wonder if CALEA and this whole business isn’t also a factor in Net Neutrality, i.e. increased fees to pay for this all, and further control of the “nets.”
Guys, normally I don’t care if things go OT, but I am hoping to get some important information out to the world BEFORE the upcoming FISA vote.
Who is sleeping with who, is just a bright shny object that is detracting from your loss of liberty.
I really need you help with this.
Do you think that they link to no fly list with some warrant less spying programs?
How can they put 200k on a no fly list? How did this manage to happen? Where did these names come from? Six degrees of separation and they can connect anyone… no?
Mods – please remove my 23 and 25 (with apologies to LHP).
Pectopah @ 29
Yep–after a phone dump…
Smgumby @ 28
Leahy kept asking and at one point threatened to hold up the Mukasey nomination if he didn’t get answers.
The lack of media follow up, is just batshit crazy
looseheadprop @ 22
bless you lhp!
maybe we can help you with digg and spotlight.
also, for ‘pups who want to contact senators’ offices – if you haven’t seen it already, here’s senate contact info to easily import into address books (for email, fax and phones) via vCards. it’s not as complete as lhp’s link above (no staff info), but it’s should be easy to use and import.
Nothing for me to add to the list. I am still choking. Brave New Velt.
Good call on the evasion of specificity. Abu G had a marvelous repetoire of mendacity.
I have been of the thought that what is still being (desparately) hidden is what Abu G wasn’t referring to. That is, we really don’t know how deeply Little Georgie B and his sidekick Darth Dick have delved into our private communications and information.
I suspect that it is his “program” to find pictures of the proverbial goat with any of his political enemies. High on my list of those lassoed by Little Georgie B’s packet sniffing are: Arlen Specter, Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Scott McClennan, Jeff Gannon, Karl Rove (but Karl has his own pictures of Georgie with a goat), Antonin Scalia, Tim Russert, and many others.
What is truly scary is that I have actually come to believe that this is true — our government spies on us unchecked.
How to Spotlight this article and send it to the press.
They need a little help from us to get to the truth.
Seems to me that the “feds” heard all sorts of chatter pre 911 and failed to do anything but tell asscroft and a few others to not fly commercial. Doesn’t this imply that they don’t have the tools to do anything with the information they claim to be after.
I think that we are being set up to accept a higher degree of under the radar intel gathering in every aspect of our lives. But how is this going to be used? The people who are being bad are not going to use any of the normal channels for communication, but that wouldn’t stop them. It’s like how they transfer money… they don’t use the traditional banking system.
The forth amendment is being neutered.
Bush: Hello Trent, we’ve been tapping Larry Flynt’s phones. Perhaps it’s time to retire.
-GSD
Smgumby @ 21
Or “I am not important, there is no reason to bother me.”
The Long Island “ICE” raids, forced entry into homes, without warrants, making arrests and then making the arrested “disappear”..perfecting the system, perhaps?
Spotlight is better than diggs re: media–more comprehensive. diggs is OK too. I guess every outlet helps.
Datamining sweeps up pretty much everything, all calls—recorded and searched by your voice print, similar to your finger print; emails; internet searches; online purchases; credit card purchases; bank statements; travel plans and history; books you buy and even books you take out of the library; who you contact online and by phone; and I’m leaving out about 8 other categories including national security letters and warrantless entry to pick up data on paper that they can’t capture electronically.
Then, the data is given to PRIVATE CONTRACTORS who do not have to obey those pesky rules that reign in government workers. The contractors are just helping look for the damn terrorists, you see, and if they would happen to assemble some commercially profitable data about everybody in the U.S., well that’s extra bonus points for them.
There was a small item in the Post a couple years ago where there were going to be great opportunities for people with a security clearance because there were going to be 100,000 new jobs requiring a clearance. Yes you read that number correctly.
Perris gets this one right—they are accumulating your personal and BUSINESS information and selling it to the highest bidder.
1,670 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen rwcole and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“I am wondering to what extent Clusterfuck can hide the truth of what he’s done AFTER he leaves office…”
Great question…we know that if a Republifascist is elected it will all get deep sixed but I believe that if Mrs. Clinton gets the job it will also get covered AND many of the telecom-enabled spyin programs will not only be continued but expanded.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER: FASCISTS COME IN ALL COLORS AND SEXES!!!
looseheadprop @ 31
Pay no attention to the bright shiny
thongthing.If americans would get as upset about the government SPYIN on em as they do about the unlikely prospect of the government coming to confiscate their GUNS- this thing would already be taken care of and Bush would be impeached- but they don’t. Someone needs to find a way to show americans the problem with “Big Brother”.
“Anyway, these are my top suspects. Anybody out there have any to add to the list?”
1. Actually, the article quite well captures the essence of what’s been going on.
2. BushCo has played a type of shell game. There are dozens of intercept efforts; each with their own parameters. i.e., one effort intercepts “key-word” transmissions….another effort intercepts transmissions from identified suspects….another effort intercepts transmissions from certain regions and/or clock-times…..and on and on.
Each effort is labeled as a “Program”. Thus, Towel Boy cleverly “admitted” to one program while hiding the dozens of others. Some of the greatest “under-oath” lying in the history of Congress occurred during Towel Boy’s testimonies to Congress.
3. These various programs CAN be discovered by an incoming president. Any executive order signed by Bush can be countermanded by new executive order permitting disclosure. You just have to have an incoming president with the will and fortitude and guts to do this. Will it happen? Unclear to me at this time.
4. On Mushie: quite another shell game over there! He trades in the uniform to mollify world critics. He’s now packed his own Supreme Court with favorable judges. Mushie will hold an election, he’ll win, and all complaints of voting fraud will be over-ruled by that “fair and impartial” (cough) Court. And so it goes.
Ghostman
from lhp’s eff link:
once again – in the name of “security” we make ourselves less secure.
LHP,
Check out the Disruptive Technology Office.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D…..ogy_Office
Richmond @ 30
I ewondered that too. I don’t know enough about net nuetrality, but wondered if by segregating the internet, might it also make it easeir and cheaper to do the spying? I’m not a techie, so maybe some of you have better handle on this?
I have a huge (300 or so pages) Order fromthe FCC that I have just started wading through and one of the reasons that DOJ said that it needed to have CALEA extended to internet was that expense involved for Law Enforcement to sift through the data.
If you could segregate out stuff from the sifting process, bulk emails from the Land’s End Catalogue or the NYTimes Online, the universe of data to be sifted during the spying, would be smaller, making for a faster and cheaper effort.
As with Naomi Klien’s Shock Doctrine, where a whole lot of evetns that seemed odd at the time, suddenly appear to be part of a chilling pattern.
If my CALEA Eschelon(implimenting the latest iteration of Carnivore) = illegal program theory is correct, a lot of seemingly random things–like the odd way the net nuetraity thing came up,
start to look like part of a pattern,
For this reason, I want to try to light a fire under the MSM and get this info into the hands of Congress
BEFORE THE VOTE
NorskeFlamethrower @ 45
So is the “fear” of Hillary by the Thugs fake? Their talk of Hillary as a commie-pinko-socialist is just an elaborate double fake-out by the fascists?
It’s what I call the Hillary paradox..and I don’t have the answer.
egregious @ 42
EG,
you share my sleepless nights over this. Thanks
Richmond @ 33
There’s no need to remove anythong or apologize for anything. I like a good sex scandal as much as the next guy.
It’s just that I am really hoping people like all of you with more tech skills than I can help me confirm or rebut the soundness of my theory
Americans don’t care if the govt. looks at what they’re reading- cause they don’t read.
They don’t care whether the govt looks at their e-mails- cause they’re mostly bad jokes and pictures of large breasted women.
They don’t care about having their mail opened- cause they don’t write..
We got a problem.
Steve-AR @ 5
That makes sense to me. Every Federal government branch used to have their own coders and homebrewed programs, which meant that hacking into them took actual skill and knowledge. That started to go by the board under Reagan; the whole “standardization” push was actually Bill Gates offering his OS and e-mail proggies (with security holes intentionally built in) at a cut rate to the Feds.
Biodun @ 41
Spotlight shows the article to more of the media, Digg shows the article to more of the general public. I’m sure doing both is a great boon to the site and to the cause.
More exposure to the public via Digg means more public buzz which might make the media take notice. More media exposure through spotlight means more of the media will pick it up and more of the public will be exposed to it. They can feed off each other.
Look at the number of Diggs on this LHP post: Our Lady of the Law
Phoenix Woman @ 54
The tech people around here started being openly disgusted with what was going on about 3 years ago. I figure there must have been some kind of push right after the ‘04 election to greatly expand these programs. No oversight! Whoopee!
My guess: multiple programs, running in tandem, under TIA (Total Information Awareness), or I should say, the program formerly known as TIA.
It’s now the Information Awareness Office, and in spite of alleged defunding, is likely fully funded through back channels or skewed and cryptically written purchase orders. Remember these bastids continue to refer to “program” or “programs”; they don’t mention department or office, and yet there’s likely a coordinating function.
You’ll also remember that jackass Rummy’s response to the furor over the psyop group, OSI (Office of Strategic Influence), that the function was supposed to be killed and Rumsfeld was angry about it. He said,
That’s the M.O., right there, Rummy spelled it out for you; you know that racketeers don’t do something once, they do it multiple times. TIA is NOT dead, only reconstituted under a different name or different function(s), funded with different monies.
And all the programs you listed, LHP, are alive and kicking in the underbelly of the beast.
Didn’t the blackwater site call one of their information contractor services Total Information something?
twolf1 @ 55:
Right on!
LHP:
How ’bout as much as the next gal?…*g*
Rayne @ 57
Here’s a good article on what TIA morphed into.
http://nationaljournal.com/scr…..223nj1.htm
The Govt has been very effective in preventing “leaks” of the file data on individual “average” Americans. I think if some of those files were leaked, even the lizard brains heads would explode.
rwcole @ 8
Supposedly Dead-eye is already shredding his papers and I expect Bush to do the same. After all what is one more law broken? Especially one that has no criminal penalties attached.
Phoenix Woman @ 54
That’s true, the federal government went PC (hewlett Packard)with windows all at once. That was a huge procurement.
Up until then, computer procurement was done by each agency on it’s own depending on it’s own needs.
Part of the FCC ruling I haven’t finshed reading yet talks about how expensive it is for Law Enforcement to do the tapping using it’s own in-house techies creating custom systems. that’s why the providers have to make their systems hospitable to standardied tapping.
After 1995, the cost for the changeover was to be passed on the customers. Us.
To summarize, the government collects data on everybody and everything, with your tax dollars; they give this data to private contractors to paw thru, again paid for by your tax dollars; and then this information is used to intimidate you, the press, and Congress. You guessed it, with your tax dollars thank you Homeland Security.
selise @ 12
Yes, this is a great link! Thanks for repeating it, because I missed it the first time around.
Bob in HI
katherine Graham Cracker @ 18
And Cavuto responded: I did not have sex with that man, Senator Lott.
2 Qs:
1. What about all the other programs that have never seen the light of day in any media or congressional testimony? The ones we know nothing about and have no way of finding out about.
2. Is there easy to install, relatively cheap encryption software that we should think about adding to our computers?
So what’s the latest on the FISA thingie? When do we get to the BAFO?
This is the busiest time of year for many of us, and I live in fear of this falling through the cracks.
Is there any order a president (or even unitary) executive can give that would conceal information from and incoming president? Sure would fly in the face of unitary executive to hide information from the top dog who needs to make decisions.
Now we know the criminals and their enablers are trying to delete and destroy – so they are already making us less safe. I think they are going above and beyond and trying to wrangle “legal” “opinions” to bury stuff they can’t readily get their crypt keeper claws on to destroy.
As for the programs – I do not know – your list seems as good as any…only the names change. The only other thing would be if they did not have those tools at their disposal – then they would have to do more fly-overs, etc. Also the discussion of personal -v- business is important because if information is being gathered who can with a straight face argue that a billion dollar idea hacked off the net won’t be stolen from a business. Who can say with a straight face that these info plumbs won’t be used as everything else for cronies (Fed jobs/judges, recess appointments, no-bid contracts, selected implementation of oversight, to topple the CA govener while covering up Enron crimes… you know small stuff).
I have a friend who is VERY glad her ex doesn’t work for any of these agencies.
egregious @ 60
Blackwater’s new intelligence subsidiary, “Total Intelligence.”
See? How easy would it be to “outsource” military intelligence to a contractor, write a rather over-broad P.O. that says “information management services”, or “intelligence management services”, and get total information/intelligence on the entire civilian public?
looseheadprop @ 51
My theory is that there is a Mexican standoff in progress; the telcos are mining data at the request of the junta, but are threatening to disclose it if they are not protected. The junta threatens to pass legislation or permit licensing of disruptive new technologies that would kill the telcos’ business model if the telcos don’t play along.
Both sides hedge their bets by entwinement — like AT&T’s former counsel now in DOJ.
There are at least two technologies that have been thwarted or killed by this Mexican standoff, that would have provided ridiculously cheap pervasive national WiFi and/or cell phone service. This is beginning to cost us all real money, and real innovation, not to mention our privacy.
Go to the link for a treasure trove of various opinions of the program the president has confirmed.
I have a slightly differant take looseheadprop;
my take on this is as follows;/
the ag thought this imunized him from perjury
by testifying about “the program the President has confirmed” nothing could be a lie because he would simply say;
“but that wasn’t the program the president confirmed, that’s a differant program”
I said this right from the start, as soon as abu torture used it the very first time and before we found out there were “other programs” I said right here on this blog;
“that means there are other programs, the ag is not giving a blanket testimony that the program complies, he’s carving an exclusion to this particular program, therefore other programs do not comply otherwise the ag could easily the spying program complies even if there were other programs”
I said that or something like it
this moron plays a childs game with his oath, if he says “I never said approached cooney with a waiver on this program” then when shown that he did appproach ashcroft with a waiver he thinks he can say “that was not on this program”
and that is exactly what happened too
he thinks by carving an exclusion it inoculates him from perjury…a childs game but the thing is congress let him get away with it
Me @ 72:
This LINK.
Biodun @ 74
you links aren’t working, don’t try to use your own html, use the java link on your posting toolbar it always gets it right
Linky…
perris @ 73
But DID Congress let him get away with it – or was it just for the time being, with a chance to go back and revisit it later? I thought Abu was getting all lawyered up in anticipation of perjury charges? Isn’t this part of it?
Sorry, I’m a realist, I swear I am, but I’m still hopeful that Gonzo will be one of the rats taken down by all of this. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I kinda see him as a mousier, less-liked, more “court jester” version of Ollie North (and yeah, I know what North got away with)
OMG Lott claims he stayed in Senate o finish the work on Katrina.
Sorry. Theis particualar link simply isn’t working. I’ve tried ever trick in the book…
Just go to google and type “the program the president has confirmed” (with the quotes) into Search.
KestrelBrighteyes @ 77
I’ll say this about my impression of abut torture and I don’t think it’s true of any other aid
I beleive abu torture in his own mind has a father son relationship with bush, where bush can throw abu under the bus but abu will not
he is a dullard with no independant thought and I believe while everyone else will do whatever it takes to survive abu torture will not
we saw this on the witness stand, he refused to achknowledge even the most obvious facts, he insisted on his insane “I forgot”s
libby would flip, rove would flip, cheney and bush would flip
I think abu torture has no independance or self preservation and I believe he will not flip
Guys, if you hard “refresh” I have a rather lenghty update
Huckleberry Graham(Is he on Larry Flynt’s short list) has let forth a real jaw-dropper about Iraq:
GRAHAM: …So I am hopeful that some of these people at the local level will have a stronger voice. And I’m hopeful that Talabani, Maliki, and Hashemi and all the major players can have a breakthrough.
I’m asking them to do things they say are important for their country. The conditions are right now and, quite honestly, if they can’t do it by the end of the year, I have real doubts that this group will ever do it so we need a new political strategy to find a group that can.
‘Find a group’–how Jeffersonian.
-GSD
Biodun @ 79
just paste it in without using the java button
Biodun @ 79
Try just pasting the raw link – don’t embed it in text, see if that works.
Biodun @ 79
which link do are you referanceing, the firdoglake link?
I have to get to work, will catch up later
great post looseheadprop and thanx for the update
Nope. Link is truncated in the middle. (I’ve never had this problem before.)
before I go quick off topic question
lott’s seat is going up for special election
do we have a shot at this seat?
Biodun @ 87
then highlight the address bar and paste that instead of copying the link from the page
eCAHNomics @ 80
In a sick, sick way, this is partly true.
If Lieberman hadn’t won CT, there would have been investigations by the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; Lott would have needed to hedge the Repug’s racket with his presence in the Senate.
But there’s more to this than Katrina. More than lobbying, too. Something going on with a much bigger undertow.
Rayne @ 71
Exactly, and it makes the lack of pushback from the ISPs much more interesting. What were the ISPs expecting in return?
ANd it makes some of the Senate debate on net nuetrality which was often almost incomprehensible, make more sense. Senators telgraphing info through obligque refences.
It even makes me want to revisit the Ted Steven’s “Toobz” speech.
If the showdown in Ashcroft’s hospital room was over the illegal extension of CALEA to ISPs, AND if it was telco’s who were pushing back instead of the ISPs, what was the quid pro quo promised to the ISPs?
And how much of Qwest’s pushback was based on principal and how much on fury regarding what the ISPs were going to get that was dangerous to the telcos?
Not the firedoglake link but the google link that brings up the search results…
GSD @ 82
Graham is way behind the curve:
White House Releases “Principles” for Permanent Iraqi Presence
o it begins. After years of obfuscation and denial on the length of the U.S.’s stay in Iraq, the White House and the Maliki government have released a joint declaration of “principles” for “friendship and cooperation.” Apparently President Bush and Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki signed the declaration during a morning teleconference.
TPM
Biodun @ 92
let me try
perris @ 88
Mike Moore
That’s precisely what I’ve been doing from the get-go. Tech mystery, as far as I’m concerned. Some glitch I guess…
Biodun @ 96
worked for me and I linked to it in my previous post for you
perris @ 88
Here’s kos’s take n that Q. Others I read don’t seem very hopeful.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…../11324/127
Here’s tpm’s take.
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/…..t_seat.php
NSA’s Massive Datamining Program
http://video.google.com/videop…..1538261397
This is a great interview last year by Tim Russert of NYT’s James Risen (who 1st broke the NSA story) and WaPo’s datamining expert Robert O’Harrow Jr. It sheds LOTS of new light on exactly what was going on and the corporations the NSA had partnered with for its datamining operation. They talk about echelon and CALEA.
Transcript of the entire interview here:
http://veredictum.com/node/109
Biodun @ 96
perhaps you’re “on the list” B…. ;)
perris @ 94:
You got it. Thanks! (Now I wonder what I did wrong. I might be obsessed with this all day…*g*)
looseheadprop @ 91
I keep saying it looseheadprop…these are programs to steal, of course they gather information they need to stay in power but they are also gathering trade information that they are not entitled
the teleco’s get to be involved…ya, they had to be promised SOMETHING but I believe they also “partook” of the information that would bring them millions upon millions of dollars in valuable information from competitors or industries they might invest with proper insider information
from lhp’s update:
from my notes, here’s what comey said:
eCAHNomics @ 99
we need that seat, if there’s anything we ever invest in up to the presidency that would be it
Biodun @ 101
might be your browser, I am using internet explorer with the fishing filter off
your fishing filter could possibly truncate the link I suppose
ok, must go and try to earn
c all L8tr
selise @ 103
Yep, but if they then chose March 10 as the “application date” that would help cover the gap. There is no reason that I can think of why that application would have come at that time, unless the admin was chasing Internet info
perris if you’re still here. Why is MS seat so important? It’s a very res state still.
looseheadprop @ 29
Right! And thank you!
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The Republican Party’s senior leadership has been thoroughly decapitated.
Tom Delay, Denny Hasturd, Trent Lott….Not to mention their hopeful golden boys like Santorum too.
-GSD
One Program you don’t mention LHP is Able Danger. We probably know more about that than any of these others. It also was a data mining program. It apparently used open sources connected with intelligence derived databases (for example names of individuals attending mosques associated with extremist imams).
But it apparently strayed into domestic information (even though it was open-sourced… like websites) during the latter Clinton years and they decided to constrain it.
AD was supposedly shut down early in the Bush Administration but there is a lot of doubt about whether it was simply renamed and restaffed…with the former staff members forced out b/c they weren’t handpicked ideologues. Interesting that the head honcho over the AD program, Gen Schoemaker, was brought out of retirement to serve under Rummy as military Chief of Staff.
The Pentagon effectively shut down further inquiries about AD…odd for a program that wasn’t active and supposedly produced nothing of value. I suggest that it was the system modified.
new post
looseheadprop, you might want to put that post on hold till you are done down here
eCAHNomics @ 98
thanks for the links eCAHN!
transcript of comey’s testimony before the sjc.
looseheadprop @ 107
makes sense… great post – thanks!
cinnamonape @ 111
hey, I wonder where Curt Weldon is now?
eCAHNomics @ 67
Get a Mac. It’s built in to the OS. Can’t say I’ve used it, though. Anyone here have experience with it?
looseheadprop, thank you! you’re a genius!
looseheadprop, you know about Comey. He didn’t seem to have any problems sticking it to Padilla even though Padilla was never tried for any of the crimes that Comey alleged. Anyway where do you think he drew the line along with other DOJ hardliners like Ashcroft and Goldsmith? Was it vacuuming up the call details? Or data mining it? Could the government also have sucked up the content to go back to if data mining showed a certain percentage possible positive hit? Was it the most likely targets of these operations: politicians, government employees, journalists, businesspeople, and professors, not to mention ethnic Americans?
I wonder still what it would take to force such a group of anti-civil libertarians to threaten to resign? And all I come up with is a program that would end up surveiling people like them, people of their social and economic class. Because if it was just about the ordinary schmucks of this world, like Padilla, I don’t seem them being overly concerned.
eCAHNomics @ 78
So is this the Larry Flynt connection that Lott was seeing someone named Katrina?
Hugh @ 119
or that comey and ashcroft didn’t want to put themselves in legal jeopardy – comey’s a smart lawyer, even if he’s not the civil libertarian lhp is.
I left the hearing wondering about the definition of “confirmed”. Did he really mean disclosed or acknowledged or was he using some other (contrived and undisclosed) definition?
If anyone pressed him for a definition, I didn’t hear it. The use of the term was awkward. [Did the p-nit perhaps “confirm” in some way some program being in accordance with something (standard or order) about which we know nothing?]
I know this is not specifically helpful, but when these guys start parsing for the sake of obfuscation, I start thinking the spin masters
may be selecting terminology (to be defined later). I do not assume he meant disclosed or acknowledged to congress or the public.
Thanks for being on this. It’s critically important.
Hugh @ 119
No, I think was over using CALEA to give the feds a back door into the Internet. HAving the ISPs let thim packet sniff our email.
perris @ 112
I lack MOD super pwers. And it’s not my decision to make.
looseheadprop @ 123
But would CALEA in and of itself be a sufficient reason? CALEA would give the government the key to the internet but are you suggesting that the government was already using that access for email and VOIP surveillance and data mining and it was this that troubled Comey and Goldsmith among others?
Hugh at 119, I don’t want to block quote your long entry, but your conjecture is interesting and maybe right on the money.
LHP, I’m not a great communicator, but I’m a decent close reader. If I can help, just whistle.
fwiw, a communication oddness. An Israeli start-up, foxcomm, was inexplicably substituted for the expected contractor to wire congressional buildings for cell antennas. Foxcomm has since changed its name. This was allegedly connected to Abramoff.
Hugh @ 125
That’s what I’m thinkin’
LHP — if you’re coming back here…you need to realize that the ISP’s are not separate from the telcos.
AT&T is the best example. All other ISP’s that aren’t already partly or fully owned by a telco run their traffic over telco toobz, so the ISP’s are not the gatekeepers.
Qwest was not an old school telco; I am beginning to think they believed they stood to gain more in an open, competitive market against the older telcos. They didn’t see the need to yield to a quid pro quo arrangement. Verizon may be newer than AT&T or MCI, but they had too much already on the line in sunk costs into traditional toobz-aligned technology.
There’s another player that is a major market disrupter, which has a vested interest in leaving the old school technology behind — and the gov’t is pounding on them to yield. It’ll be interesting to see what happens over the next 2 months for this reason.
Where (if at all) does Level 3 Communications, fit into this picture?
SunnyNobillity @ 127
foxcomm…Fox TV…fox in the henhouse…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I…..ess_Office
Reportedly, the programs include:
* Genisys aimed at developing technologies for virtual data aggregation in order to support effective analysis across heterogeneous databases as well as unstructured public data sources, such as the World Wide Web.[13]
* Genisys Privacy Protection technology to ensure personal privacy and protect sensitive intelligence sources and methods in the context of increasing use of data analysis for detecting, identifying and tracking terrorist threats. These technologies were intended to enable greater access to data for security reasons while protecting privacy by providing critical data to analysts while not allowing access to unauthorized information, focusing on anonymized transaction data and exposing identity only if evidence warrants and appropriate authorization is obtained for further investigation, and ensuring that any misuse of data can be detected and addressed.
* Genoa and Genoa II focused on providing advanced decision-support and collaboration tools to rapidly deal with and adjust to dynamic crisis management and allow for inter-agency collaboration in real-time.[14][15]
* Evidence Extraction and Link Discovery (EELD) development of technologies and tools for automated discovery, extraction and linking of sparse evidence contained in large amounts of classified and unclassified data sources[16]
* Scalable Social Network Analysis aimed at developing techniques based on social network analysis for modeling the key characteristics of terrorist groups and discriminating these groups from other types of societal groups.
Among the IAO projects focused on language translation were:
* Effective Affordable Reusable Speech-to-text (EARS) to develop automatic speech-to-text transcription technology whose output is substantially richer and much more accurate than previously possible. This program focused on translating spoken language (whether from broadcasts, telephone intercepts, or otherwise) in multiple languages.[13]
* Translingual Information Detection, Extraction and Summarization (TIDES) developing advanced language processing technology to enable English speakers to find and interpret critical information in multiple languages without requiring knowledge of those languages.[17]
Other IAO projects not directly related to TIA include:
* Human Identification at a Distance (HumanID) to develop automated biometric identification technologies to detect, recognize and identify humans at great distances.[18]
* Wargaming the Asymmetric Environment (WAE) focused on developing automated technology capable of identifying predictive indicators of terrorist activity or impending attacks by examining individual and group behavior in broad environmental context and examining the motivation of specific terrorists.[19]
* Futures Markets Applied to Prediction (FutureMAP) was intended to harness collective intelligence by researching market-based techniques for avoiding surprise and predicting future events. The intent was to explore the feasibility of market-based trading mechanisms to predict political instability, threats to national security, and other major events in the near future.[20]
* Babylon to develop rapid, two-way, natural language speech translation interfaces and platforms for the warfighter for use in field environments for force protection, refugee processing, and medical triage.[21]
* Communicator to develop and demonstrate “dialogue interaction” technology that enables warfighters to talk with computers, such that information will be accessible on the battlefield or in command centers without ever having to touch a keyboard[22]
* Bio-Surveillance to develop the necessary information technologies and resulting prototype capable of detecting the covert release of a biological pathogen automatically, and significantly earlier than traditional approaches.[
SunnyNobillity @ 130
What is a level 3 communication?
Steve-AR @ 5
Uh, the real reason is their liability under 50 USC 1809 and 50 USC 1810, 1000$ per day per person and 5 to 10 years in prison for each.
Section 1810. Civil liability
An aggrieved person, other than a foreign power or an agent of a
foreign power, as defined in section 1801(a) or (b)(1)(A) of this
title, respectively, who has been subjected to an electronic
surveillance or about whom information obtained by electronic
surveillance of such person has been disclosed or used in violation
of section 1809 of this title shall have a cause of action against
any person who committed such violation and shall be entitled to
recover -
(a) actual damages, but not less than liquidated damages of
$1,000 or $100 per day for each day of violation, whichever is
greater;
(b) punitive damages; and
(c) reasonable attorney’s fees and other investigation and
litigation costs reasonably incurred.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/….._1810.html
Let’s not forget the ever popular ProMIS softwarew that was mentioned ONCE in the days after 911.
Through the use of this Windows-based program any computer running Windows can be accessed remotely and the info on the hard drive can be uploaded to a satellite.
Jonathan Pollard used a version of this in sending info to the Israelis.
looseheadprop @ 133
Level 3 is a *major* internet backbone provider. Often seen as L3 comm. I’m out for a couple of hours, but if thread stays open, I’ll be back.
looseheadprop @ 133
Refers to the layers of the original OSI networking model.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_Model
Oh, they’re learning, BlueTex. They’re learning that when they’re this far up shitcreek, a popsicle stick looks like a window-of-opportunity “oar” the size of a water-ski.
I’m GLAD McCain is calling Clinton and Edwards out. It means they will either have to reply with the bedrock common-sense of:
“Yeah, our military has the entire fucking midlands in semi-lockdown. We should rename Baghdad “Concrete-barrier-and-checkpoint-City”.
What happens when we really start drawing down?”
Or, they can keep quiet and concede the point to McCain and the assholes who’ve created mayhems-r-us.
(There IS the option of reminding the voters, as John Murtha has done several times:
“Why should we listen to YOU people paint rosy “Mission Accomplished” scenarios? You could fuck up a can of peaches and then lie about it.” )
Being a telephone installation technician I come across these illegal monitoring devices on phone lines quite often.
Usually they are the reason I am there to fix the line in the first place.
I just cut them off and throw them in the back of the truck. Then I restore the line to working order and all is well.
Most of this monitoring crap says “Made in China”, no wonder the connection sucks. Must be the local cops, there so dumb.
Yes I have a collection, no you can’t see it. Sorry.
Level 3 is a serious player. Seems the Govt likes them these days.
About Level 3 Communications
Level 3 Communications, Inc. (NASDAQ: LVLT), an international communications company, operates one of the largest Internet backbones in the world, connecting 180 markets in 18 countries. The company serves a broad range of wholesale, enterprise and content customers with a comprehensive suite of services including: Internet Protocol (IP) services, broadband transport and infrastructure services, colocation services, voice and voice over IP services, and content delivery and media distribution services. These services provide the building blocks to enable Level 3’s customers to meet their growing demands for advanced communications solutions. The company’s Web address is http://www.Level3.com.
GSA Awards Level 3 Washington, D.C., Area Local Telecommunications Service Contract
Company Selected as One of Two Telecommunications Carriers Authorized to Bid and Provide Local Service to Federal Agencies
(snip)
As announced by the GSA, Level 3 is one of two companies that were awarded the base four-year contract, with four additional one-year options. This contract gives Level 3 access to a market that up to this point has been available to only a single, incumbent telecommunications provider.
Steve-AR @ 95
Somehow I think the mistake that’s begging to be made (Michael Moore?) would really irk wingnutters.
james @ 135
Can’t imagine they’d use that to spy on Americans, can you?
I wonder about this Laptop.org plan to distribute cheap computers to kids around the world. Do they have spy software built in? It’s run by a Negroponte, so how benign can it be?
SunnyNobility @ 140
That sounds like the objective is to be able to spy on the communications and computers of the USG. Who would be doing the listening? BushCheneyCo.? A foreign intelligence agency? Multiple entities?
Hmmm.
These programs have the potential for a much greater and more insidious result than “merely” spying on Joe public. No, there are bigger fish to fry than we.
If it is true that these programs collect data, emails, electronic information, than what sort of implications does this have for the big picture?
Think pipeline, the big trades made through “private servers” that are supposed to be confidential. Think of all the confidential information that passes through the internet relating to corporate inside information. It would be of little matter to sort out information dealing with corporate secrets, all you really need to know is who is talking to whom, and it is easy to connect the dots. Content is simply a bonus.
I do not mean to imply that a civil liberty infraction should be taken lightly, but it seems to me that there are potentially larger potential abuses with such data collection. Enough to effectively shut down economic or political action under the guise of national security.
If they are willing to spy on us, than why not make a few million in the process? Given the private interests of so many in Congress, their corporate relations, the administration, and so on, it would simply come as no surprise to find they might be spying on each other, corporations, investment and hedge fund managers, (Think of the info you could glean from Goldman Sak’s records) and campaign offices.
They don’t want you or I, they want money and power.