Mike Huckabee appeared on CNN’s Late Edition yesterday to show us his swagger in dealing with those ungrateful Pakistanis. Two weeks earlier, Huckabee said on Face the Nation that General Musharraf’s suspension of Pakistan’s constitution was “not acceptable,” but that doesn’t mean what you think it does.
Huckabee’s real concern had nothing to do with the constitutional rights of the Pakistani people. Sunday he suggested to Wolf Blitzer that nothing Musharraf does should prevent the US military from routinely trampling on Pakistan’s sovereignty whenever we feel like it.
According to Huckabee, you see, the Pakistanis owe us, since we’ve given them $10 billion in aid, mostly to buy off the military. “We have earned the right of passage,” to intervene militarily in Pakistan, Huckabee stated.
BLITZER: So what would you do differently than President Bush is doing right now?
HUCKABEE: Well, the main thing I would do is to make sure that we demand greater accountability, not only for the funding that we have put in, but we also get a greater level of cooperation and commitment that, when we find actionable targets in Pakistan, dealing with Al Qaida, that we have the green light to go after those targets, that we don’t do as we did a couple of years ago, and that is actually have people in the air on their way to take out a target and then to be called back because we had not yet obtained full permission from the Pakistani government.
BLITZER: So you would send U.S. troops, Special Operations Forces, others, directly into Pakistan if there were what you call actionable intelligence?
HUCKABEE: I think we have to always remember that the first job of the American president is to protect the American people. If we know and we have clear indication that there are those plotting to destroy Americans and American security, then that has to be first and foremost in our plans.
And we need to make sure that the Musharraf government recognizes that part of what we have done with that $10 billion is to, sort of, earn the right of passage to take those targets out.
Of course, Pakistanis aren’t the only ones whose rights Huckabee doesn’t recognize. He also told Blitzer that Israel should never “give up” the West Bank or the Golan Heights, and he declined to endorse the concept of a two-state solution for Palestinians, suggesting that those Arab neighbors should just give up some of their lands instead. So I guess this endorsement makes perfect sense.
Just to put this in context, keep in mind that, as Blitzer reminded us, Mitt Romney thinks Huckabee is the “liberal” in the Republican presidential race, which apparently frightens Jonah Goldberg. How could anyone think someone who approved this ad could be frightening? Yet even Novak is horrified that someone from the religious right might actually become President:
The danger is a serious contender for the nomination who passes the litmus test of social conservatives on abortion, gay marriage and gun control but is far removed from the conservative-libertarian model of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan.
Thank god for George Bush!
It’s embarrassing and horrifying to consider what the rest of the world must think of America when they hear such arrogant, mindless statements from a Presidential candidate and watch them go unchallenged on America’s major political news shows.
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And now Iraq wants to buy our army?
How crazy is all of this already?
Shorter Huckabee seems to be “shoot first, and don’t you dare ask questions later!”….
Wow. Hard to keepup with all the news posts this morning. Caffeine is in the air.
I wonder where the Rs found so many flipped out candidates with no understanding of human nature or how the world works. Makes me think their fertilized eggs were fished out of the bottom of the cryostat, incubated in an artificial womb, and then raised in an indoctrinating institution.
RevDeb @ 3
Crazy my backside. *This* is the evidence Bush would cite that the Surge is working. “Hello, oil rights!. What the f**k took so long”?
RevDeb, perhaps the Iraqis ought to deal with Blackwater directly. They are for hire. It would provide a novel reason to have US forces depart Iraq.
eCAHNomics @ 5
It’s in their jeans [sic].
between nature and nurture it’s hard to figure it out. There must be a greed gene that triumphs all. I wish they’d isolate it and develop a treatment for it.
the thing about the repug candidates isn’t just that they are playing to their mouth-breathing base.
they think, and i have to believe they have polling to support this, that enough of the rest of the country ALSO believes in this kind of big-dick bullying foreign policy.
TexasEllen @ 7
works for me.
I’d love to see Blackwater under contract to and subject to Iraqi laws. Including their corporate officers.
RevDeb @ 3
Sounds like Cheney negotiating with Bush.
What? That Jonah Goldberg article: Could someone please clue that worthless clueless wingnut as to what a liberal is? Huckabee puts fear in me like Margaret Atwoods Tale of the Handmaiden. The republican candidates are really, really frightening this year. None of them seem to believe in evolution.
BTW. I am tickled that Lott is resigning in a way that spells so clearly : republican does not = public service.
Reagan a conservative-libertarian? Novak’s really grasping these days.
I added a quote from Novak’s columny this a.m.
this is what i do not understand: the repugs seem to have taken a vow to be antiscience.
how is it they still have any support beyond their bible-thumping base?
HUCKABEE: I think we have to always remember that the first job of the American president is to protect the American people.
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The only place the word “protect” is used in Article II is in the oath of office the President takes: to protect and defend the Constitution.
Odds that any of the Republican candidates knows this?
With kind regards,
Dog, etc.
searching for home
dmg @ 15
It’s not clear they do; I think that “base” is about 30-35% of the electorate, based on self-identification. Welcome to America.
dmg @ 15
At this time, the poll numbers show that they have only that support. However, once they lock into the next hot button nonsensical campaign issue, that’ll change as it always does.
Badwater @ 13
I first read that as gasping.
Joe’s Ghost
The repugs know, they just don’t care, and they are betting most of America doesn’t know exactly what the oath of offices DOES say…
mui @ 19
That’s a better word.
Ghost of Joe Liebling’s Dog @ 16
this is something i would think the dems could run on, repeatedly — that the repubs as authoritarians are constantly changing the definition of the job.
but the dems show themselves to be too scared of being called names to do it.
comforting to know we got another Repug just talking out his ass….
Badwater @ 18
a lot of that will depend on how the immigration issue plays out. At least that is what I think will be the big wedge. So far the dems haven’t figured out how to deal with it either so it already is a real mess with long term consequences on both “sides.”
Smgumby @ 20
Paging Keith Olbermann
O.T. E P has a new article up about scotty’s quote. They even went and got quotes from judy and matt cooper. swellE P…
Novakula
Gosh that sounds like another republican candidate.
mui @ 27
Fits the definition of every Fundie I know.
Novackula again:
Anyone want to debate that? *slapping forehead* I mean really.
splunge @ 26
Not OT at all. E&P has a quote from Huckabee as he weighs in on Scottie’s book:
citizensue @ 28
I think Novak was projecting about himself. It’s a nasty little piece.
Scarecrow @ 31
Fixed it for you.
Scarecrow @ 31
Scarecrow, Goldberg and Novakula in the same morning? Reading the last one made me laugh actually.
Scarecrow @ 31
are you saying Novakula is
” “a guy with a thin skin, a nasty vindictive streak.” “
RevDeb @ 3
Well apparently this is a confession that all that talk about the surge creating “space” for political reconciliation was just so much fresh manure. From my reading not a single damn thing politically has been accomplished since the surge began almost a year ago.
In fact we have the Kurds establishing independance in regards to their oil transactions.
We have Shiite militias battling it out in the South for political control.
We have the US ceding control in the Sunni triangle to the very insurrectionist groups that the Iraqi government calls illegal fighters.
We have the government and US attacking the leadership of the largest religious faction of Sunnis in the Parliament.
No political reconciliation at all…in fact there is even greater fragmentation.
Please read the Constitution, Huckabee, and please fob off about trying to protect me in any way shape or form of your choosing. Especially when your shape and form would apparently be based on the actions of your mentor, George Bush.
The US is promoting warlordism in Iraq.
$300 a month to 50,000 terrorists, wait, we call them tribal sheikhs now, that adds up faster than you can say: no money for SCHIP.
-GSD
Elliott @ 34
Novackula?
I find Huckabee a fairly scary candidate but I’m curious as to why the R’s “cognescenti” are finding him so scary.
From Novakula hit pieces to the Doughy Wide Pantload saying Huckabee’s scarier than the “scary leftie” Ron Paul, someone is “working the refs” here.
It was a spit out the coffee moment when he said that.
I don’t know which was more offensive. Teh Billion Dollars “earns” you respect, or the thought that it “earns” the right to trample Pakistan’s sovereignty.
What happened to earning things the old fashioned way? Like acting responsibly?
greetings form the rest of the world ^^ i know what i think : you’re in deep doodoo.
mui @ 38
that’s one version
can you imagine being married to that sob?
dakine01 @ 39
We’re seeing the split opening up between the fundy GOPers and the BigBusiness GOPers. It’s not a pretty sight. Add in Dobson’s repudiation of Rudy and Roberton’s “take that, James!” endorsement of Rudy, and the fundies seem to be imploding as well.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of folks.
RevDeb @ 3
Well these are officials from the “government” that we installed. Seems to be another kabuki dance.
dakine01 @ 39
pundits are lining up behind their chosen candidates is all, the same as primary voters.
well, with maybe a bit more influence and a lot more stupid.
So China signs on with airbus for some planes at 12 billion – but for 10 billion we get to invade Pakistan at will…wow that is a pretty good deal.
hit_escape @ 40
Huckabee’s got the GOP/K Street rules down pat: “you take our money, and we own you.”
redx @ 46
Gives China the right to invade France.
Peterr @ 47
actually, the neocons believe we own everybody regardless of whether they take our money.
so pakistan’s actually gotten a better deal than most.
dmg @ 45
Novakula has issues. I just saw this video of him yakking at the Heritage Foundation about how the Republikans choose presidential candidates. “It’s a rotary club.” In the end he calls Mitt Romney, “every girls’ dream,” “Mr. Perfect,” “except for the fact he’s a Mormon.” Then he bets on Fred Thompson.
Elliott @ 42
No, he actually looks like he could jump at someone’s throat.
Mark Halperin is on Brian Lehrer on wnyc right now. He’s getting destroyed in the comments thread.
http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/e…..ents/89352
mui @ 12
my guess is that it’s all about the economic populism.
from david sirota:
if you haven’t read it already, i strongly recommend david sirota’s article on huckabee’s economic policy statements.
mui @ 50
i would SO love to play poker with novak.
mui @ 50
this is a perfect place to insert twolf’s emotipuke:
:0=====|
RevDeb @ 10
The US military seems also to be protecting US oil companies drilling in Mali – though they say they are there to root out the ubiquitous “AlKaeda.” Plus ca change!
I have been reading The Pentagon’s New Map, by Thomas P.M. Barnett. The basic idea is that the world is divided into two parts: the functioning core, and the gap. The gap is the nations that are not integrating into the global economy, such as the Middle East, and central Africa. He argues that these nations the US should use its military strength and a huge dollop of nation-building to improve life in these parts of the world, because that will produce a better world.
It sounds like Huckabee, or maybe his advisers, have read some of this book, and as you would expect, distorted it to fit his preconceptions. However, if you can get past the defense of the Bush war in Iraq, which is really grating and betrays a failure to grasp the essential nature of the people making the decisions, it is really fascinating and convincing.
Ghost of Joe Liebling’s Dog @ 16
I forgot to add: Or any of the newsies?
– Dog
papertrained!
masaccio @ 56
have you ever seen Barnett give his presentation?
There was some ominous reporting about how much fuel the US is stockpiling in the Middle East.
This summit is the precursor to war with Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas.
The US is getting their Sunni authoritarian lackeys on board for the final push.
The summit has sidelined Hamas–the elected leaders of Palestine.
The US is also paying and equipping former Baathists, rejectionists and dead enders in Iraq too.
Gonna need some back-up if the Iraqi Shia go batshit during ShockandAwe 2.0 in Iran.
-GSD
1. The reaction of Novak, Goldberg, American Spectator, etc. show that “social issues” are really not important compared with distributing wealth to the “productive class,” as that is why they find Huckabee abhorrent. He raised taxes in Arkansas to improve the abysmal road system and improve Educational levels. Much like the Southern bourbons, both before and and after the Civil War, they consider taxes to pay for schools and health care for other people’s children, and roads that other people drive on a form of “expropriation” of their private property. Hence the attraction of Ayn Rand for these people.
2. Although I generally agree with most folks here on this site on the need for the United States to show a lot more self-restraint on this urge we seem to have too randomly bomb foreigners and I desire to see the swift end of our imperial adventure in Mesopotamia (which become clearer each day that it continues chiefly to gratify the egos of George Bush and Dick Cheney and to provide profits to their backers), I would say that a legitimate cause for a military action under Article 51 of the U.N. charter exists for the U.S. with regard to the Al Qaeda sanctuary in Pakistan, since this group has launched armed attacks against the U.S. and is trying organize new ones. Whether is is prudent is another matter.
selise @ 53
You mean he’s sinned against the no-tax religion? Sirota says it’s just rhetoric though.
You mean there’s someone who thinks that oil producers are NOT integrated into the world economy? What hole did they dig this guy out of?
eCAHNomics @ 62
Makes sense if “integrated into global economy” = “economically under American control”
Fern @ 63
Another one for the luntzian phrase book
Speaking of Novak. Some of his greatest hits are on youtube. Here’s one with Braden and Novak on Crossfire ganging up on Frank Zappa throwing words like “dirt”, “filth,” and “pornography” and “anarchy” at him.
What a surprise!!
TPM
A clueless Ann Curry reading the news this morning on the Today Show:
“Nawaz Sharaf” (instead of Sharif; probably led astray by: Musharraf)
mui @ 61
yep – a central dogma of the money party.
well, mostly rhetoric…but, not entirely. compared to the rest of the R candidates, there is, i think, a difference that goes beyond rhetoric (again from sirota):
mui @ 66
Zappa handled it well. He is missed.
Elliott @ 58
No, have you? Does he do it regularly?
“Speaking of Novak. Some of his greatest hits are on youtube. Here’s one with Braden and Novak on Crossfire ganging up on Frank Zappa throwing words like “dirt”, “filth,” and “pornography” and “anarchy” at him.”
I remember that! Zappa was SO cool. He just radiated disgust. “Kiss my ass,” he told Novak at one point.
RIP Frank. Oh how we need you today.
Re Novak, a question: I have heard folks say he hasn’t been a “serious journalist since 1969,” which implies that he WAS a “serious journalist” at such pre-1969 time. Is this true? I find it hard to believe that he was ever a competent professional of any kind.
Huckabee should show up at Rice’s shindig in Annapolis tomorrow to advise participants about matters at hand…
And, some OT, but still in line with the “We own the fucking world” philosophy, here’s a trial-balloon being floated by “two Iraqi officials” for a long-term deal for the american military to stay in Iraq.
(I would like to know if the “Iraqi Officials” names are Chalabi and Allawi.)
When you read the link, please take note of “Our” requirement that american entrepreneurs receive preferential treatment.
http://apnews.myway.com//artic…..DSRG0.html
masaccio @ 71
let me see if I can find a link …
selise @ 69
Well that makes him the R’s most dangerous candidate if we end up with Hilary as the nominee, I think.
This shtick about protecting the american people bears a lot resemblence to a crime boss protecting his turf.
mui @ 75
i agree.
has senator clinton taken nuking iran off the table yet?
Badwater @ 70
Yes, very cool. Novakula and friends are so repulsive.
Helpless Dancer @ 77
The feckless leadership of the Democratic Party allow that shtick to work, time after time.
GSD, you’re spot on, about the need for back-up if jr. goes Dr. Strangelove on Teheran.
But I’ve got $20 that says that Gordon Brown, with those 5,000 brits hunkered down at the Basra Airport, has told codpiece:
“If you want to open up clusterfuck #2, please let us know a few days in advance, and we will be in Kuwait and on the way home faster than you can say “Cakewalk!.”
What’s disheartening in all this, is that NONE of the democrats who might inherit this gigantic blood-and-money-sucking-leech that george bush has affixed to our asses, seem to want to point out it’s presence to the voters very much.
selise @ 78
I haven’t heard of her doing so.
Elliott @ 75
The Pentagon’ New Map
he’s no longer associated with the war college (capitalism I think)
it’s a 25 minute vid, later I’d love to hear your take
selise @ 77
Has Edwards?
Edwards: Let me be clear: Under no circumstances can Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons. For years, the US hasn’t done enough to deal with what I have seen as a threat from Iran…..To ensure that Iran never gets nuclear weapons, we need to keep ALL options on the table. Let me reiterate — ALL options must remain on the table….
link
ps digg this
Scarecrow @ 14
Nice one. Columny, calumny indeed.
Steve-AR @ 83
wasn’t meant as a particular dig at senator clinton – just trying to picture a huckabee/clinton match up. i do think it would be a dangerous one.
Elliott, I’m not seeing a link to the video. Could you put it up again? Thanks.
Meanwhile:
New thread, with some surprises, from loosehead.
What Was the Program Confirmed by the President?
Hey the media loves Mike Hucksterbee and he is a nice guy –I’m sure he would use the words please and thank you before entering the borders of a sovereign nation.
xanthippe @ 72
Notice how crossfire does an O’reilly and actually plays some of the “dirty, smut filth”. The only way to get people to watch?
Frank Zappa was a stand up guy.
And:
(Same link as my 89.)
Nawaz
SharafSharif; PervezMusharrifMusharrafAren’t Huckabee’s remarks a softer version of Obama’s “If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will“?
masaccio @ 88
Is it in this link?
Found the video Novak was frothing over the mouth over. High eighties camp. Looks like a madonna video. & He’s outraged. The man has got serious problems.
Warning: I don’t find it offensive, but Novak does. Reminds me of a Peaches video
katherine Graham Cracker @ 91
707!!
Per Huckabee:
In fact, that’s a damn lie. Here’s the president’s job description, per Article II:
I was just wondering, if Pakistan knows that the enemy is in her area, and she wants us to help her, should we? I mean if the enemy takes over Pakistan,wouldn’t that mean that THEY have the NUKES NOW??
Shark bait, oo-ha-ha! I gather Huck is the dark horse candidate. This is really bad news.
What we see on telly is the result of the enormous drag factor of proliferating morons in this country.
What’s with this popular Republican meme of “the first duty of the president is to protect the country” crap. His oath of office is to uphold the Constitution. I believe it’s the responsibility of Congress to declare war or authorize the use of military force. Why wouldn’t Wolfie call him on this? On second thought, stupid question.
Proof the Huckster is a con man and not a conservative or a man of values.
Up until last year he took the Federalist approach on abortion but, believing a pro-life amendment is what people wanted to hear he changed his stripes.
On 2/12/95 an article Ralph Z. Harlow from the Washington Times wrote under the caption “Conservatives Hold Fire On Abortion” the Huckster said this:
“In the spirit of federalism, the proposed GOP revision also would replace the abortion amendment with a statement saying the issue should be left up to the individual state legislatures to deal with as each sees fit. ‘That’s exactly what we have looked for, and if it’s left up to the states, more of them are going to put some restrictions on abortion,‘ Arkansas Lt. Gov. Mike Huckabee said in an interview after appearing on a conference panel yesterday.”
On 4/ 2006 in an interview with John Hawkins on RightWing News the Huckster was talking the same talk: http://www.rightwingnews.com/i…..ckabee.php
“It would please me because I think Roe v. Wade is based on a real stretch of Constitutional application — that somehow there is a greater privacy issue in the abortion concern — than there is a human life issue — and that the federal government should be making that decision as opposed to states making that decision. So, I’ve never felt that it was a legitimate manner in which to address this and, first of all, it should be left to the states, the 10th Amendment, but secondly, to somehow believe that the taking of an innocent, unborn human life is about privacy and not about that unborn life is ludicrous.”
BUT then on 11/19/07;
Huckabee Rejects Letting States Decide Whether to Allow Abortions
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312107,00.html
“If morality is the point here, and if it’s right or wrong, not just a political question, then you can’t have 50 different versions of what’s right and what’s wrong.”
“For those of us for whom this is a moral question, you can’t simply have 50 different versions of what’s right,”he said in an interview on Fox News Sunday.”
“But my surprise was nothing compared to the surprise of people across America who had been faithful supporters of right to life, said Huckabee, who is challenging Thompson’s claim that he is the most reliable conservative in the GOP field.
The Huckster will say anything to get elected AND publicly ridicule those who rightly still stand on the position he himself held!
It makes Huckabee sound cautious compared to Obama’s “I’ll nuke ‘em.”
dakine01 @ 39
It’s probably because he might win and he isn’t one of them. He isn’t just pandering to the ‘religious right’ the way Reagan and Bush did, he actually is ‘religious right’. How are they going to control him or have influence, so they can get their insider contracts and other money deals?