Since the “surge” was announced in January, there was never any doubt that by December, the Pentagon would have to begin reducing the number of combat brigades no matter what the conditions on the ground were, because the US simply did not have the numbers to sustain the increase. The only question was how the Administration would spin the inevitable reduction.
Right on schedule, the Pentagon announced it will remove a combat brigade in December — about 5,000 troops — from Diyala Province. The same inexorable math will force reductions of about a brigade a month until next June. But instead of just admitting this, the Administration tried to spin it to obscure its plans for an indefinite occupation.
Initial reports stated that the first brigade withdrawn “would not be replaced by new units,” although other units already in Iraq would fill in behind them. Subsequent reports from AP and the NYT Alissa Rubin make clear that security has not improved enough in Diyala; the brigade leaving Diyala is already being replaced by an even larger combat force taken from a neighboring province. So how is security in that province when the replacement brigade leaves? The shell game can only last so long before the math overwhelms it.
The Pentagon either believes the surge’s increased troop levels helped reduce violence or they don’t. There are competing narratives that attribute reduced violence to buying off Sunni tribal leaders, exhaustion of neighborhood ethnic “cleansing,” the Sadrist militia’s decision to stand down for now, and the removal of coalition forces, as occurred when the British withdrew from Basra. But if increased troop levels were a factor in reducing violence, as the Administration wants to claim, how is it possible that reducing troop levels on the strict timetable dictated by the math will sustain reduced violence levels if, as everyone concedes, there has been no underlying political reconciliation?
Part of the Pentagon’s answer is to pretend that as American forces leave, the Iraq Army will take over security. So on Friday, the Times Michael Gordon dutifully replayed the Pentagon line that US combat forces can gradually shift from direct combat duties to training of Iraqi forces (sound familiar?). After taking a gratuitous shot at “other” proposals to shift the US role from combat to training, Gordon assured us that unlike previous training efforts, this one will be done correctly, not too quickly — Iraqis will take over only when ready — but nevertheless quickly enough to allow US forces to get back to sustainable levels without any negative effect on security. It is more a hope than a plan.
The Administration’s remaining need was to undermine the argument that if reducing troop levels on a fixed schedule doesn’t undermine security, even without political reconciliation, we shouldn’t fear the Democrats’ proposal for fixed withdrawal schedules. The Administration’s response appears in this NYT article: redefine the mission to require combat troops, while claiming the real objective is not political “reconciliation” but instead “accommodation.”
“Accommodation” means accepting that Sunnis and Shias may never reconcile, but they can coexist as long as US combat troops stand between them. It also means backing US diplomats who must explain to the grateful Iraqis who don’t know better why it’s important to pass a budget, or pass laws on local elections or hiring back former Baathists, or oil revenue sharing. And above all, we have to make sure the Iraqis agree to the “enduring relationship” the President unilaterally signed today that provides the legal fig leaf for indefinite occupation. Does Congress matter any more?
Overseeing “accommodation” is the new term for being in the middle of an undeclared, just below the surface civil war, which means we need combat troops there indefinitely. It’s just a side benefit that an intimidating combat presence helps US diplomats babysit Iraqi politicians who can’t seem to agree on a budget. The condescension and rationalization evident from the colonialist attitude is striking, but it’s fortunate the Iraqis have Administration officials to teach them all about working with the opposition to maintain fiscal responsibility, apolitical hiring practices and a fair allocation of wealth.
Now if only the Democrats can be persuaded to downplay the Iraq issue. Oh, wait . . .
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Scarecrow!
“Things are going badly — the US must stay!”
“Things are going well — the US must stay!”
Gore Vidal is right: perpetual war for perpetual peace.
““Accommodation” means accepting that Sunnis and Shias may never reconcile, but they can coexist as long as US combat troops stand between them.”
Oh, great. That way, they can get shot at from both sides.
Bob in HI
Why- hell- when they stand up- we’ll stand down!! Nothin new bout that!
Aha, the Iraq DMZ. Using that model, in about 30 years, one side might be a democracy and the other side will have nukes.
duration == infinity
bobschacht @ 3
MSM has been shtum about Britain’s experience in Basra, where stopping patrols meant to reduce violence resulted in a 90% reduction in violence. Youda thunk someone would have found that to have been a valuable and informative experiment.
That would require someone have a brain.
The NYT’s Gordon is an unbelievable suck-up. His sources value him like a modern-day Monica who always wears a blue dress.
I wonder how long this endless war would last if the funding for the war came from taxes on oil companies.
WE can end this war, we do have options that we can do even without a majority.
We just have to stop being doormats. We have to stop being nice.
Mad Dogs @ 9
I sent a note to NYT ombudsman about a year ago that the NYT could save money & inform readers better if they fired Gordon & printed Pentagon press releases on page one above the fold.
Yo everyone!
Here’s an opportunity to give some props to Looseheadprop for her article on Our Lady of the Law a few days ago! Go to Newstrust, where I initiated a review, and had your own review and ratings to boost her article to the front page. Others have already provided reviews, but it’s like a Digg, with muscle provided by your ratings. Newstrust sends out a daily list of their top dozen news and blogs, and because of my review with others following up, it made the “This Week’s Top Rated Stories (Independent Sources) ” category. The more people who rate it, the longer and higher it will be rated and distributed, and more people will see it.
Bob in HI
So when Boosh sends troops into the Capitol building, it will be hailed as an Accommodation?
It’s all about oil. Remember how that was shot down? No blood for oil!
Well… they will never admit it, but we won’t be leaving the oil fields unless we know they are being used for “our” benefit.
All the rest is BS stalling obfuscation, whatever… distraction.
It’s all about the oil.
Things Come Undone @ 10
How long would it last if there was a chance that a Bush would have to serve?
One underlying goal: Bush needs fresh cannon fodder (US troops) to help pave the way to his retirement. So any bullshit the public and Congress might “buy” is always worth a try.
Hey, everyone. Interesting that the WH announced its agreement with Iraq on the same day it’s trying to dominate the news on the ME conference. Then they tried to downplay it by saying it’s not a treaty, but rather a set of principles for future negotiations.
One of the NYT articles mentioned US officials were focused on renewal of status of forces agreement and renewing UN orders that sanction the occupation. But the way this was handled was designed to make Congress seem irrelevant.
Scarecrow @ 17
Congress is irrelevant… at least until (if ever) they decide to become relevant.
Hi Scarecrow. Great post.
What does winning look like?
What does losing look like?
Can we ever go home?
Another curious aspect to me, is prime Minister Maliki. He seems to stand up and tell USA to go home on one day and praise long term occupation w/bases a short while later.
Scarecrow @ 17
“not a treaty”, eh? Thus, does not have to be ratified by Congress. Thus, the Decider gets to dictate our international relationships all by himself. Do you suppose that that is precisely what he wanted — absolute, unilateral, unimpeded, un-overseen power to commit the U.S. to whatever he likes?
Eureka Springs @ 20
Maliki opens door to permanent U.S. bases
from Crooks and Liars by Steve Benen
For years, talk of permanent bases was considered impolite for the political mainstream. When congressional Dems started taking the matter seriously, congressional Republicans quickly shut down any policy proposals that might limit a permanent U.S. presence in Iraq.
With that in mind, today’s news is not at all encouraging.
Iraq’s government, seeking protection against foreign threats and internal coups, will offer the U.S. a long-term troop presence in Iraq in return for U.S. security guarantees as part of a strategic partnership, two Iraqi officials said Monday.
The proposal, described to The Associated Press by two senior Iraqi officials familiar with the issue, is one of the first indications that the United States and Iraq are beginning to explore what their relationship might look like once the U.S. significantly draws down its troop presence.
As Spencer Ackerman explained, “Make no mistake: this is Nouri al-Maliki offering the U.S. a permanent presence in return for guaranteeing the security of his government…. In exchange for a platform for the indefinite projection of American power throughout the Middle East, the Bush Administration probably considers protection for Maliki and his coterie to be a small price to pay.”
Tent Lott wants to retire before a lobbying ban kicks in? Well lets make the ban retroactive lets convince Trent and company that unlesss they vote to end the war they personaly will lose money.
Cash is after all the only thing the GOP understands.
Out of Iraq, Now!
Hey Scarecrow, another fine post!
The
rationalizationpremise that the “surge” is working is a meme that suits the warring Iraqi parties just fine too.They accept full well that we have to draw down those troops anyways, so saving the bullets and bombs for the folks on the other side who won’t be leaving is the order of the day.
When the “adult” finally leaves, the “kids” will tear down the house.
Eureka Springs @ 20
I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that he’s been promised great wealth and power. And most importantly, security.
Loo Hoo. @ 26
And what would ever make him think that a W promise is worth more tha toilet paper?
Eureka Springs @ 20
Almost like they need each other? al Maliki needs a President that won’t press him too hard on reconcilation, and Bush needs someone who will not be too persistent about Iraqi sovereignty.
I’d like a little of that back in the States, if they’re not too busy spreading
war and hatreddemocracy around the world.Scarecrow @ 17
Not seem irrelevant, but to be irrelevant.
If there’s a formal treaty, then it has to be ratified by two-thirds of the Senate. From the Senate website:
Emphasis added.
Whenever Bush has faced a choice between cooperating with Congress and going around Congress, he’s always gone with the latter. Why expect anything different here?
eCAHN, OIL! If W doesn’t have a puppet, he may not get the oil.
Which, it seems to me, is going to be worth less and less as other energy sources are tapped.
Permant bases in Iraq means a permant expense which means someone has to pay taxes for this.
Vote GOP and you vote for the poor and middle class to pay and if things go bad get drafted to serve. While the Bush twins do “Girls Gone Wild ” and party.
Vote Democratic and and you vote for oil company taxes to pay for the war and pay for all the healthcare our solders will need after the war.
Ya know…Bush is like “Bushtrina”…blow through, flood and devastate everything in it’s path….
Now, in convenient hindsight (because Bushtrina cannot fathom consequences of its actions)… Bushtrina just looks back the nation it “dubbed”, “The Homeland”, and tries to pretend everything is just fahhhhnnnnnn in the new “Homeland” it destroyed – that nothing really happened, you didn’t really see people dehydrating and dying, you didn’t see cities devastated — you didn’t see mass migration in Bushtrina’s wake — not in the Homeland, and not in the new and improved, Iraq “Homeland”..you didn’t see over a million civilians killed…no, no, no….Bushtrina is the Heroette of the new 21st century…the heroette I tell you!!!
Bushtrina is the new Pricktater, bringer of peace to the Middle East.
Spit.
Worst Preznit…Ever, ever, ever, ever!!
Impeach!
Loo Hoo. @ 31
Maliki isn’t the only route to Iraq oil. Any old puppet will do. Maliki is completely disposable from W’s POV.
BTW, thank you for this post, Scarecrow. We need all the info/pushback we can muster on this good news PR campaign, imo.
I Dugg
Scarecrow @ 28
A win/win for them, a lose/lose for the American and Iraqi populace…
The good news is that we will run out of money to fund this disaster long before we run out of men — and we are running out of men. The shell game has two tables: one of them is the feet on the ground game, which the administration is currently playing; the other is the half trillian a year game, which can go on only as long as the public don’t figure out that it is at the expense of their social security check. That day is coming soon, and there is no way to hide it.
There is so much disaster in this invasion that we won’t know the full consequences of it for a generation. We are just beginning to understand the magnitude of the disaster visited upon us by the Vietnam fiasco, and that one was far less dangerous to us than this one.
eCAHNomics @ 34
Oh, I agree. But right now, before the Annapolis meeting, Maliki is the only game in town.
What is Congress going to do with this idea of permanent bases in Iraq? Maybe we’ll have to give up the bases in Germany.
I hope the Middle East makes a peace plan…I really do…that is the only way they can deBushify themselves, and I hope they decide they will never again, do any kind of business with anyone connected to the Bush regime and the Halliburton regime, as its central theme.
That would be the best thing that could happen.
Caw! Caw! Scarecrow, great post as usual. Funny you should mention this. We talked about this on an earlier post. I can’t understand, first of all, where they will get the soldiers to populate those permanent bases?
I also can’t figure out why, once the President declared that he was going to start to draw down by Christmas and more in the first half of next year, I didn’t hear a chorus of Democrats clamoring to point out that this was that oh, so dangerous date certain timetable we’ve been talking about. I feel I should have been hearing, “So glad you came over to our side, Mr. President, but what convinced you it was not dangerous to tell us this? When did you change your mind about the terrorists just waiting us out?”
I thought this war was about WMD I thought it was about Ossama.
If we leave Iraq Al Quieda will follow us. So why don’t we go to Pakistan then!
Musharrif is wasting time jailing lawyers to keep the peace. How about we send him a few divisions worth of courage and we both go after the real problem Al Quieda.
Or we can go home now!
LS @ 33
The Democrats in the House are busy working on secret things and cannot be bothered with trivial tasks like impeaching Bush and Cheney.
My nextdoor neighbor is career military serving in Diyala. He is on his third or fourth deployment to the region. He has been closely exposed to several rocket and IED attacks and a couple of suicide bombings. He is weary of witnessing death. He is due home on December 23, but I don’t know if it’s just for a short break or extended leave. About a year ago, he said something that made me suspicious that we had people sneaking into Persia.
Bushtrina…LOL! Here’s another hit…
Countrywide Falls as Schumer Seeks Probe of Advances (Update2)
Did someone get caught with their hand in the cookie jar?
Another CEO with a tan and jumpsuit to match?
…Or just another RNC Fundraising Conduit Vehicle!
No more money Congress!!!! No more bills, no more anything. Nothing, zilch, nada.
Just stop it. Now!!! Here is the perfect opportunity!!! They have completely defined our system.
Stop.
Don’t make us pull this government over!!
Moon @ 43
We’re running lots of nasty black ops in Iran.
Things Come Undone @ 23
Well, there is a rumor
Larry Flynt Forces Sen. Trent Lott to Resign?
http://bigheaddc.com/2007/11/2…../#comments
If the link doesn’t work go to bigheaddc.com and scroll down. I’ve never heard of this site until today. And they don’t really name any sources, but it is funny
Things Come Undone @ 41
Osama is a convenient prop, but as a Bush family crony he is in no danger from the US.
Badwater @ 42
Yeah…like damage control for when Larry Flynt drops the big bomb in the next couple of weeks!!!
neokneme @ 44
Verrrry…interrrressting!!!
1,670 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Scarecrow and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Is there anyone out there in the reality based world that believes that we will pull out of Iraq if Mrs. Clinton is elected president? I am at the point of despair again over the prospect of 150,000 of our kidz stationed permanently in the desert pullin’ guard duty for corporate contractors and gettin’ their asses shot off…while the only trained and equipped fightin’ force stationed on US soil pulls its paychecks from Blackwater Inc. and has a command structure that hearkens back to East Germany and the Stasi.
Mrs. Clinton and the corporate Democratic leadership are the biggest threat to the restoration of democracy in this country…what is wrong with us??!!
KEEP THE FAITH WITH OUR CHILDREN…SOME FASCISTS WEAR PANT SUITS!!
NorskeFlamethrower @ 51
Mrs Clinton will lose to the Republic nominee, thus perpetuating the tragedy of Republic rule.
Statement from Speaker Pelosi:
Hillary Clinton is not a fascist. She is a liberal. Just ask Rush Limbaugh.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 51
Scares me too!!! Just remember, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing is permanent.
Maybe Edwards will win…and maybe the result will be the same, but still….nothing is permanent. Not even Bushco!
Bush inaction in Pakistan supported by Holy Joe will likly result in America having to do a raid on Pakistan’s nuclear missles to prevent them from failing them into Al Quieda’s hands.
We have to stop supporting loser dictators just because they shine us on about how anti commie or anti Al Quieda they are.
Dictators are enemies of democracy by supporting them we just get a new set of enemies.
We need to forget about permant bases in Iraq and focus on the real problem Al Quieda.
Or we should at the very least stop wasting lives and money in Iraq when Al Quieda is the problem, first step when your in a hole is to stop digging.
TeddySanFran @ 54
And Michael O’Hanlon.
Ann in AZ @ 40
Yes, great irony there. The math dictates a strict withdrawal timeline — exactly what the WH said was dangerous, but here it is, and now they have to explain why this one is okay.
Nothing shocks us anymore, and that’s not good.
Looks like KO is peaking up the same story on Countdown.
Thanks so much for this spot-on commentary, Scarecrow.
The downplaying today probably has more than a little to do with the fact that the U.S. is trying to force the United Nations Security Council to ramrod a democracy-hostile permanent occupation down the throats of an Iraqi parliament and desperate Iraqi population who are both strenuously opposed to the idea:
That’s from a rather vague article yesterday which is hard to make much sense of:
http://alternet.org/waroniraq/68895/
It may, or may not, be a sign that the Iraqi parliament is successfully pressuring the United Nations to stop promoting colonial empire on behalf of the U.S., at the expense of the oil-rich Muslim people of Iraq.
For more background on this topic, see this earlier, very informative alternet overview of the hidden-in-plain-sight, manipulative process that lies behind today’s announcement:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/67383/
What is “democracy” anyway? Apparently its humane and inclusive approach to self-government has likewise been dismissed as “quaint” somewhere along the line by the corporate/government raiders who’ve emptied our treasury’s coffers and bled our national moral authority reserves dry.
Because popular will in Iraq, democracy apparently ain’t, as far as our (silent and acquiescing) Congressional party members and their authoritarian de facto bosses in the Executive Branch are concerned. Or did a federal legislator or two perhaps speak up loudly in opposition, somewhere today, in defense of democracy and liberty, only to be immediately censored and silenced by our official media?
Profits or people. It’s pretty simple, Congressional incumbents. Because this time you can’t choose both. It’s either Iraqi profit on behalf of the Iraqi people, or American and British private profit at the expense of the Iraqi and American people. So far your soothing-rhetoric clothed, yet historically savage and brutal, choice seems all too clear.
eCAHNomics @ 46
Don’t suppose there’s a link or two on that? I concluded that we were very active in our border crossings when the V-22 was deployed to Iraq (western, they said, but of course they misdirected …) and the websites about the V-22 pretty much admitted that the only thing you can use that thing for is getting a dozen or so people in and out of a target about 250-275 miles away in a single night. Useless for cargo hauling, troop hauling. It’s presence only makes sense for black ops into Iran.
Eureka Springs @ 57
O’Hanlon is one scarey piece of sh*t.
behindthefall@61
Lots of mentions over the months. Maybe Juan Cole? Probably some audios I listened to on antiwar.com. I can’t locate any of the specifics ‘ve read over the past several months, but I’ll google around a bit.
Scarecrow @ 53
No Nancy you have to make him take responsibilty that is your job. Havn’t you ever babysat a brat before?
Scarecrow @ 53
“The President can do that by working with Democrats…”
What friggin’ planet are you on Pelosi????
I swear…I think I’m caught in some kind of “alternate reality”…like a dream I can’t quite wake up from….
Oh, wait…some scientist found a parallel universe the other day…hmmmm
http://www.paternitytestinglab…..-universe/
…I’m trying to buy a ticket, but it appears that I’m on the no-fly list!!! Dayem!!
Wait….may…be…Larry F…knows something “else”….huh? No? Okay….back to the alternate universe no-fly list….oh…well..
Oh, wait…WTF?
http://www.alertnet.org/thenew…..430720.htm
TeddySanFran @ 54
Thats the problem she is not a LEFTY!
She is to the right of us majority 70%ers on the war, on healthcare etc.
But the latest polls show her losing to the big GOP candidates now I’m hoping she tacks left now.
Things Come Undone @ 66
I think she is a lefty. As a sailor, she is sailing “in the groove”…for now…she has to.
LS @ 55
Bushco has been around a very long time. There was Prescott (of Harriman Bank) who made Nixon a made man; the son, Bush I, in The Company when JFK was shot; Dim Son; JEB; Neil meets with the Cardinal who becomes the Pope, the Cardinal then slam dunked Kerry in the Communion wafers… Bushco is insidious.
eCAHNomics @ 62
The NYT identifes O’Hanlon on a recent page 1 article as a Hillary supporter. I think there is a message here for “pro-war” Rethugs and neo-con Dems, i.e. you can trust Hillary (like O’Hanlon) to keep the Mid-East war machine functioning at top speed during her presidency. I thought it was funny that he would be mentioned so prominently in this article, but this is clearly why.
behidthefall
Here’s some links:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0604.html
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thebl…..rizes.html
Neither of those are the specifics that I’ve read in the past, but they give you a flavor for it.
Among other things, U.S. is supporting Baluchi terrorists in Iran. Baluchistan spans Pakistan & Iran. And, of course, Kurdish terrorists too.
eCAHNomics @ 62
You know he is one of Hillary’s current military advisors.
hackworth @ 68
What about Marvin Bush…head of security for the WTC…whose contract supposedly ran out at midnight on 9/11/01. What about Jeb, who put Martial Law stuff into Florida law right before 9/11…
HeLLLLLooooo!!!
The scariest part of this supposed Bush/Maliki agreement is that if Iran tries anything wrt Iraq, the US will have to “come to Iraq’s defense” and attack Iran!!
End Bushco.
Richmond @ 69
That story is the last link in the post. Here’s what he said:
itwasntme @ 73
Ummm…yeah…..not good.
Note that O’Hanlon is essentially advising Dem candidates to figure out how to “not lose the war” that he advocated. So it’s really his reputation he’s looking out for, not theirs.
Maybe someone could explain to me why we should have to “train” these people to be police and army! It’s not as if they never had police and fire depts. or an army before. I bet they could teach us some things. We need to teach the people who promulgated the Code of Hammurabi how to police themselves. Very interesting! Personally, I don’t believe it for a minute. It reminds me of a sort of tragic comedy. Sometimes I think they could make a Jerry Lewis movie out of our trying to teach the Iraqis how to police themselves and/or how to form an army.
eCAHNomics @ 70
Thanks! From the ABC link:
“The sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the subject, say President Bush has signed a “nonlethal presidential finding” that puts into motion a CIA plan that reportedly includes a coordinated campaign of propaganda, disinformation and manipulation of Iran’s currency and international financial transactions.”
Looks like they missed and hit the dollar instead.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenew…..430720.htm
“This is a 100 percent preventable disease,” Lewis said by telephone. Yet one in 20 adults in Washington has HIV and one in 50 has AIDS, he noted.”
One in tweenty residents of Washington D.C has HIV? Hmm what do you want to bet LS that Missus Vitter is going to run off and get tested?
Maliki is a puppet. He is paid to stay out of Bushco’s way. He kicks up a little fuss to appease his people, but he is essentially a puppet. He has embraced Bushco now and has ratcheted down his rhetoric. Bushco, Hillary and the MSM bobbleheads have abandoned the replace Maliki meme.
Whatever happened with Maliki’s call to kick Blackwater out of Iraq? That seems to have gone away too. I think Blackwater is still there.
It’s clear that, in lieu of political progress in Iraq,
we need to stage a coup and replace al Maliki with our own SOB.
I hear that John Howard is available.
Howie notes that Hastert has finally resigned.
eCAHNomics @ 70
Thing is, those CIA information ops don’t necessarily involve border crossing and incursion into Iran itself, while the V-22’s presence suggests that somebody’s going inside Iran on a fairly regular basis.
Scarecrow @ 77
We need to make sure America understands that we won WW2 in less time! We need to make sure that Bush gets the blame.
The only good thing about letting Bush keep fighting this war is that ir reinforces the publics view that this is his war.
Bush despite the SURGE is working talk can’t spin that he is winning in Iraq.
Scarecrow @ 77
Hmmm…they have the power now. They are not going to walk away and relinquish the power.
What is their pattern of behavior?
To not “lose the war” translates easily to
“not lose the power”…and what do they do????
They tighten up…put more troops, more war, tangle up everything, make it unmanageable, spend more money they don’t have….
Congress needs to Stop giving Bushco money!!!
Now!!
They have the power! Congress has the power! Ultimately….We the People have the Power. We do. We have the power…ultimately…we do.
The problem is…nobody really believes it.
We have the power…and, BTW…NSA…if you are listening…there is nothing radical about that.
Oh, well.
allan_in_upstate @ 82
Maliki has decided to toe the line. Remember who they really wanted? Chalabi. Chalabi had tubed an Iraqi bank or two and absconded to Jordan. A fine crook. He would have worked out quite well for them. Too bad he stunk so bad.
LS @ 76
And that differs from a treaty, an “entangling alliance” how, exactly?
Yeah end the war now No earmarks/gravy for any GOP special pork projects would be a start until they voted to end the war that is. I would like to see Bush and the GOP argue for pork.
behindthefall @ 88
Lute said that, probably per Addington or somebody…I guess it’s the old, the definition of “is” an entangling alliance…or something. Sounds like the web of…a blackwiddow’s web…
Scarecrow @ 83
Yay! Wish I knew how to put a Snoopy dance in here! So that means by 2009, both Lott an Hastert will be lobbyists? Interesting. Time to change the laws for Campaign Finance Reform! Time to clean up the swamp so the new lobbyists can’t find ways to buy their former colleagues.
Thanks Scarecrow for providing the O’Hanlan quote. Alas, the one thing one doesn’t see in this “lifted” quote is the power of its physical positioning in article itself. As I recall it was positioned in such a way so that it was on page 1 of the NYT short lead into the article. In otherwords, the NYT powers-that-be wanted everyone to see O’Hanlan and Clinton as linked names with regard to Iraq/Iran policy. In some ways that one prominent visible “link” was the most important rationale for the article. But equally surprisingly, no one in Clinton’s camp has come out to oppose this “political marriage” of a neo-con mid-east hawk with the so-called “anti-war” Clinton. In some ways this after-history of the article speaks even more loudly than the initial citation!
I don’t see how we can be running out of men.
It’s damn hard to find a real government statistic, something you can trust — like, if you believe low unemployment and blah, I have a coat-hanger shaped bridge to sell.
Anyway, I am thinking of Chalmers Johnson’s figures in a Feb article on globalresearch … numbers maybe high — but I have seen one MSM quote of a Pentagon spokesman rabbiting on about the ‘one million in our military community’, whatever that means.
And only two days ago, some news article claiming in excess of a quarter of a million in the various bases around the world. Johnson apparently verified 730, something like that, maybe over a thousand.
I found some 2004 figures citing 19 American bases in Germany (hey, the Cold War ended?!) and Diego Garcia, Okinawa (keeps cropping up because of bits of violence against or from US troops) Guam and and and …
Not that I recommend redeploying them to Irak. But there was a great suggestion from someone on a blog somewhere, close all overseas bases, bring all the troops home, distribute back into 50 national guards. Sounds good to me.
allan_in_upstate @ 82
Jeb is available and has SOB built into his DNA.
BTW, if Mr. Kelgarries is reading this, would he please write some more entries to his blogs? plztnx
Lets start regulating the total compensation of CEO’s, board of directors other corporate types in military, arms and oil companies. I think 30 times the minum wage is a good cap.
For the value of everything! Their salary, stock options, use of the corporate jet etc.
moose @ 93
There’s a few Bush family members not serving. I’m sure that they would if anyone would just ask.
LS, have you got links on this:
What about Marvin Bush…head of security for the WTC…whose contract supposedly ran out at midnight on 9/11/01. What about Jeb, who put Martial Law stuff into Florida law right before 9/11…
HeLLLLLooooo!!!
KevDrum:
1,670 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen LS and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“I think she is a lefty. As a sailor she is sailing “in the groove”…for now…she has to.”
Oh Citizen LS, bless your naive heart, but Mrs. Clinton is as much a “lefty” as she is a sailor…please go back and take a look at her history, her pedigree goes back to Illinois, the Dirksen Republican Party and the Daley machine. Rahm Emmanuel is the bagman for the Daley machine and A*P*C. Mrs. Clinton redirected Bill’s progressive politics back to Tyson Foods and corporate sponsors after his first-term defeat for Arkansas governor. She’s an upper-middleclass daughter of a corporate tax attorney who has always aspired to get her family into the oligarchy.
And for those who think that the Republifascist candidate will beat Mrs. Clinton…she is the corporate candidate, that’s why the Republican field is so weak, they don’t want ANYthin’ ta get in the way of a Clinton Presidency. The fascist consoldiation of power is complete…the entire state structure has been hollowed out, the entire federal judiciary is in fascist hands and there is no legal or military power to confront the power of the corporate oligarchy.
Our only hope is John Edwards in Iowa…thank you Ralph Nadar, you sociopathic egomaniac!!!
KEEP THE FAITH BUT REMEMBER TO NOT GO QUIETLY!!
behindthefall @ 95
I’ve been wondering about Alfred…he has some troubles with his father….If you are out there Alfred, I hope you are okay!!!
Ann in AZ @ 91
Here ya go!
Snoopy Dance
NorskeFlamethrower @ 100
Love you, Norske, but I am not naive.
Loo Hoo. @ 98
Yes…I’ll go find them.
1,670 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
The only cure for post-industrial capitalism is MORE DEMOCRAZY…an crazy old idea whose time has come!
Scarecrow @ 83
Maybe he can be a tour guide at the Bush Library/Amusement Park. I can see him now, dressed as a conductor, riding a giant Thomas like train with the face of Bush.
Scarecrow @ 53
This is the Pelosi bi-partisan solution. Work with pro-war Democrats. Here is the irresponsible, partisan approach of Congressman Pete Stark. Nancy Pelosi was quick to use her power to stop Stark and Democrats from criticizing the War and Insane Kommander Guy.
Pelosi refers to the “mistakes” of the policy. Stark calls them lies. Nancy Pelosi is a Bushie war-monger, and should resign as Speaker.
Lets start closing military bases in prowar GOP states to pay for the war unless the GOPers change their vote now!
How can Bush argue against cutting spending to pay for the war? How can Bush argue that Idaho for example needs military bases to protect them from Canada?
Being nice has gotten us nowhere for years! Being nice has gotten us 2 Bush terms when our guys WON…but didn’t contest stolen votes.
eCAHNomics @ 46
Yes, but you haven’t heard a lot about successes, have you?
The Persians have been at international intrigue since long before Columbus Sailed the Ocean Blue. When I was there, I heard it said that you didn’t really know how to speak the language until you could tell a joke in Farsi. The next level of advancement in linguistic fluency was to be able to lie in Farsi. Remember the movie, The Sting? Imagine trying to pull that off in your second or third language.
I wonder what the casualty rate is among special ops forces in Iran?
Remember Jimmy Carter’s Desert Storm? I wonder how many Desert Storms there have been in the past 3 years that we’ve never heard about?
Bob in HI
You ask:
Depending on whom one asks, al Qaeda’s on the run and the Sunnis switched sides. Al Sadr’s no longer calling the shots among Shiites on the street, and the three factions who bailed on Maliki’s coalition government are expected to return.
The U.S. will be in Iraq for awhile. Indeed the news is out that there could be permanent bases in this Mesopotamian heartland:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ea/iraq_us
LS @ 103
I do not want to go off on a 9/11 thing.., but here is one link…there is plenty of information about Marvin…and I’ll go find out the Jeb executive order…
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm
Coupla things.
I have A-fib. (I hate it, it has ruined my life as an outdoors person!)
Been electrocuted (cardioverted) 2X. No joy. No fun, either. Mr. Cheney will be on rat poison and digitalis if he isn’t already. If he is put on one of the drugs to sorta, maybe control the irregularity, he will be ever more miserable from side effects, making him cranky. Won’t kill him unless he quits the rat poison (anti-coagulant), which he might already be taking.
I work three blocks from the site of the “debate” on the 28th. I wonder how far Ghouliani cooties can travel without a host.
1,670 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Frank33 and the Firepup Patriots:
Nancy Pelosi is Bushie war-monger, and she should resign as speaker.”
…and she should go home to the Sasalito Hills and take Mrs. Clinton with ‘er!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER THAT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THEM IS THEY ARE WILLIN’ TA KILL US!!
So who did KO’s voice on the Simpsons?
punaise @ 99
Don’t Muslims out number Jewish people? So by ussing Rudy’s logic no Muslims, Jews but how many Hispanics and African Americans would he hire then, unless he meant how many Muslims etc are in the Republican Party.
Hypatia @ 111
Cheney miserable? Hard not to see that as a silver lining.
americablog cautions on Trent Lott sex rumor.
http://www.americablog.com/200…..rumor.html
Scarecrow @ 53
Speaker Pelosi, if you really want Bush to take responsibility, you need to impeach him. That’s the only way to hold him accountable. Everything else is just whining and bitching.
Enough already.
Bob in HI
Scarecrow @ 77
Well, this leads me to get out my old hobbyhorse.
While I don’t disagree with this notion per se, I think there is a bigger issue going on. I continue to believe that there is a broad Washington Consensus for permanent occupation of Iraq, and a commitment to the use of force as a primary tool of statecraft–even though there are no plausible enemies out there that require the use of force to keep the US safe.
Thanks, LS. Hard to believe. Can’t say unbelievable anymore though.
Had to be Keith doing his own voice.
eCAHNomics @ 113
KO himself just like many of the other “guest stars” they’ve had over the years.
PW looking for Osama upstairs. http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..-for-sure/
Frank33@ 106
“This is the Pelosi bi-partisan solution. Work with pro-war Democrats. Here is the irresponsible, partisan approach of Congressman Pete Stark. Nancy Pelosi was quick to use her power to stop Stark and Democrats from criticizing the War and Insane Kommander Guy.
Pelosi refers to the “mistakes” of the policy. Stark calls them lies. Nancy Pelosi is a Bushie war-monger, and should resign as Speaker. “
Where were you when Pelosi’s daughter was hawking her book of political advice stressing the importance of being nice? She said something about after all you have to work with these people to get things accomplished?
I forgot that Pelosi is anything but nice to the antiwar wing of her own party. I forgot Pelosi is all smiles to Bush. I forgot that Nancy’s *cough* accomplishments are so well respected why just look at the polls for Congress.
Wait Frank33 its a good thing you were not there and I forgot or we both could have been banned from FDL for being to mean.
bobschacht @ 117
That’s the cure provided for in the Constitution. Nancy, get off your duff and use it. We know the cure is hard, but there is no cajoling or reasoning with Shrub that will change America’s course.
Loo Hoo. @ 120
Just want to say that the Florida Executive Order is 01-261, on September 7, 2001…until recently…it was very easy to find on the web…now….not so much…seems to have been scrubbed quite well…
eCAHNomics @ 70
If they’re trying black ops through the Baluchi, the Pashtun, and the Kurds, they’ll be lucky to get out alive with their pants on. Way back before the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan back in 2002, before Karzai emerged as the President of Kabul, there was one other guy like Karzai who the U.S. was trying to legitimize. Like Karzai, he was a native Afghan, and like Karzai, too, I think he was Pashtun. Spoke Pashtu fluently. But in the wild borderlands between Pakistan and Afghanistan, he was betrayed, double-crossed and killed.
These mountain people are zenophobic as all get-out, and distrust all outsiders, no matter what country they’re from– theirs, or someone else’s. In fact, our idea of “country” is pretty much irrelevant to them. The outsider’s religion doesn’t really matter that much, either, although it helps to be the same as whatever the local folks do. But that won’t save you in a double-cross.
Bob in HI
New thread up there.
He’s not under here!
A commenter on FDL had the best idea to get our troops home. Give Bush 50 billion dollars that can only be used one way. Funding to come home. That negates the notion of not supporting the troops. Wish I could remember who said it.
Things Come Undone at 124. I was modded during that thread, but I am not complaining, and I have nothing against Ms. Pelosi. I am a guest of this site, and I usually get to say what I want. Thanks to FDL and all the firepups.
LS @ 126
Here ya go
Florida Execitive Order 01-261