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		<title>By: Roy E Pearson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy E Pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rayne says: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Hello? You did read points 1 through 8 in this diary, yes? Each point a recitation of the facts about Joe Klein and his gross misrepresentation of the facts, a refutation of his misleading work?&lt;br /&gt;
One of the BIG problems with the American public is that they don’t take the time to read carefully. Here are a series of easily digested facts in a neat format, and look at the results…it’s difficult for some people to catch the clue-by-four that says CALL THEM ON THEIR LIES OUT LOUD.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, I read the points about Mr. Klein and Time.  I do not care about those points.  That you do care is part of why the Republicans get by with what they do.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personal attacks are not the solution.  If all of those points are true, the best way to deal with that is to provide easily digesrable documentation.  In item one, the documentation requires reading an entire posting to find the documentation.  Glenn Greewalrd is always a good read for me, but if I want documentation to accept I am not going to read the whole article, so you loose your audience.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rather than dealing in personality just refute the misinformation and allow your audience to reach the conclusion that Joe Klein is at best a sloppy journalist and probably a liar as well.  You keep your liberal ethics in tact and expose the misinformation. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bill Clinton Won the Presidency by addressing with facts each each attack, personal or otherwise.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did I read the points?  Silly Wabbit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rayne says: </p>
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Hello? You did read points 1 through 8 in this diary, yes? Each point a recitation of the facts about Joe Klein and his gross misrepresentation of the facts, a refutation of his misleading work?<br />
One of the BIG problems with the American public is that they don’t take the time to read carefully. Here are a series of easily digested facts in a neat format, and look at the results…it’s difficult for some people to catch the clue-by-four that says CALL THEM ON THEIR LIES OUT LOUD.</p>
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<p>Yes, I read the points about Mr. Klein and Time.  I do not care about those points.  That you do care is part of why the Republicans get by with what they do.  </p>
<p>Personal attacks are not the solution.  If all of those points are true, the best way to deal with that is to provide easily digesrable documentation.  In item one, the documentation requires reading an entire posting to find the documentation.  Glenn Greewalrd is always a good read for me, but if I want documentation to accept I am not going to read the whole article, so you loose your audience.</p>
<p>Rather than dealing in personality just refute the misinformation and allow your audience to reach the conclusion that Joe Klein is at best a sloppy journalist and probably a liar as well.  You keep your liberal ethics in tact and expose the misinformation. </p>
<p>Bill Clinton Won the Presidency by addressing with facts each each attack, personal or otherwise.  </p>
<p>Did I read the points?  Silly Wabbit.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
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		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stephen Glass and Dan Rather lost their jobs for lesser journalistic offenses than totally misrepresenting, whether for malice or lack of due dilligence, the content of a congressional bill and calling its authors stupid.  &lt;b&gt;Joe Klein needs to be fired.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Glass and Dan Rather lost their jobs for lesser journalistic offenses than totally misrepresenting, whether for malice or lack of due dilligence, the content of a congressional bill and calling its authors stupid.  <b>Joe Klein needs to be fired.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Beerfart Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beerfart Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I &lt;em&gt;love&lt;/em&gt; callin’ bullshit on people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;BULLSHIT, KLIEN!!!!!!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But Klien sirta called bullshit on himself, albeit in a most pussified way:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://time-blog.com/swampland/&quot;&gt;http://time-blog.com/swampland/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nah.  That don’t even count.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;BULLSHIT, KLIEN!!!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <em>love</em> callin’ bullshit on people.</p>
<p><b>BULLSHIT, KLIEN!!!!!!</b></p>
<p>But Klien sirta called bullshit on himself, albeit in a most pussified way:</p>
<p><a href="http://time-blog.com/swampland/">http://time-blog.com/swampland/</a></p>
<p>Nah.  That don’t even count.</p>
<p><b>BULLSHIT, KLIEN!!!</b></p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1115726&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GSD @ 31&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;More media &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8T4PDK80&amp;show_article=1&quot;&gt;skullfuckery.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Syria has announced plans to attend the Annapolis summit. This is reportedly a ‘victory’ for George W. Bush.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How long ago was it that Speaker Pelosi was vilified for speaking to the Syrians?&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Will Condi wear a burka?&lt;br /&gt;
How about George?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1115726"><em>GSD @ 31</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>More media <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8T4PDK80&amp;show_article=1">skullfuckery.</a></p>
<p>Syria has announced plans to attend the Annapolis summit. This is reportedly a ‘victory’ for George W. Bush.</p>
<p>How long ago was it that Speaker Pelosi was vilified for speaking to the Syrians?<br />
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<p>Will Condi wear a burka?<br />
How about George?</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi all.  Quick drive-by with an &lt;b&gt;OT&lt;/b&gt; thought I posted in EPU-land at Next Hurrah:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Reading the Times BAE story this morning, a thought occured to me. Is there any chance that the EO authorizing confiscation of assets of anyone threatening the Lebanese government is actually targeted at the Saudi (and maybe secondarily the Chinese) investments in the US? That might be a way of neutralizing Saudi (and Chinese) leverage over the US (and helping to right the national balance sheet to boot). I.e. if the Saudis do move OPEC oil off the USD, then the USG discloses (possibly fabricated, possibly real) evidence of Saudi (or Chinese) support for Syria, Hezbollah, or what have you — and then on that basis nationalizes in one fell swoop all Saudi assets in the US. (Pretty rich stuff there, what with the longstanding Bush family ties to the Sauds — “Take that, Daddy!”). Balance of economic terror. So to avoid triggering all that, the Sauds see to it that OPEC remains on the dollar, at least for the time being. And the House of Saud makes all pally with every USG-connected player it can.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course even in the highly unlikely event that this scenario were valid, that power dynamic wouldn’t be a permanent fix, it would at best only buy time — once onto the game, the Saudis (and Chinese) could slowly move enough investment out of the US, eventually reaching the point where they’re no longer at enough risk to be controlled any longer by the confiscation threat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m nuts, aren’t I? Please tell me I’m nuts with this?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all.  Quick drive-by with an <b>OT</b> thought I posted in EPU-land at Next Hurrah:</p>
<p>Reading the Times BAE story this morning, a thought occured to me. Is there any chance that the EO authorizing confiscation of assets of anyone threatening the Lebanese government is actually targeted at the Saudi (and maybe secondarily the Chinese) investments in the US? That might be a way of neutralizing Saudi (and Chinese) leverage over the US (and helping to right the national balance sheet to boot). I.e. if the Saudis do move OPEC oil off the USD, then the USG discloses (possibly fabricated, possibly real) evidence of Saudi (or Chinese) support for Syria, Hezbollah, or what have you — and then on that basis nationalizes in one fell swoop all Saudi assets in the US. (Pretty rich stuff there, what with the longstanding Bush family ties to the Sauds — “Take that, Daddy!”). Balance of economic terror. So to avoid triggering all that, the Sauds see to it that OPEC remains on the dollar, at least for the time being. And the House of Saud makes all pally with every USG-connected player it can.</p>
<p>Of course even in the highly unlikely event that this scenario were valid, that power dynamic wouldn’t be a permanent fix, it would at best only buy time — once onto the game, the Saudis (and Chinese) could slowly move enough investment out of the US, eventually reaching the point where they’re no longer at enough risk to be controlled any longer by the confiscation threat.</p>
<p>I’m nuts, aren’t I? Please tell me I’m nuts with this?</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All right, I watched the video. She was specifically asked about her husband running with Ron Paul - as a hypothetical.  I don’t see this as some kind of gotcha moment. And the bullshit with Dennis and the UFO.  Big flippin’ deal.  Some folks believe in ghosts, others believe in god.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right, I watched the video. She was specifically asked about her husband running with Ron Paul &#8211; as a hypothetical.  I don’t see this as some kind of gotcha moment. And the bullshit with Dennis and the UFO.  Big flippin’ deal.  Some folks believe in ghosts, others believe in god.</p>
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		<title>By: amberglow</title>
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		<dc:creator>amberglow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Time is actually thrilled by all this back and forth–it’s why they put jokers like Klein online. To generate hits and eyeballs. They don’t care whether what he says is accurate or not at all. (see the Rove/Kos nonsense at Newsweek for the same principle in action)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They don’t care as long as it gets hits and generates “buzz”. It’s disgusting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time is actually thrilled by all this back and forth–it’s why they put jokers like Klein online. To generate hits and eyeballs. They don’t care whether what he says is accurate or not at all. (see the Rove/Kos nonsense at Newsweek for the same principle in action)</p>
<p>They don’t care as long as it gets hits and generates “buzz”. It’s disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Canaan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How about some ‘lethal shorthand’ for the Democrats?  Tragically, we know that smacking this guy down on the facts isn’t enough.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I accuse Bush Republicans of “tampering with the blueprints of a superpower” (the Constitution).  On the theory that Americans will give up liberty for security, but they won’t give up American power for security.  Just try suggesting that we change our expansionist policies in the Middle East to calm down the terrorists–and see what Rush says.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anway, instead of just yelling bullshit, I suggest people devote their creativity to building our own ‘lethal shorthand’ — one that sells in the mainstream and not just on the blogosphere.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about some ‘lethal shorthand’ for the Democrats?  Tragically, we know that smacking this guy down on the facts isn’t enough.</p>
<p>I accuse Bush Republicans of “tampering with the blueprints of a superpower” (the Constitution).  On the theory that Americans will give up liberty for security, but they won’t give up American power for security.  Just try suggesting that we change our expansionist policies in the Middle East to calm down the terrorists–and see what Rush says.</p>
<p>Anway, instead of just yelling bullshit, I suggest people devote their creativity to building our own ‘lethal shorthand’ — one that sells in the mainstream and not just on the blogosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1115840&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 111&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;That’s almost the way I read it. It’s counted by Yeas and Nays and these are recorded. If the proportion of those reach 2/3rds the veto is overridden in that House. I say almost since the latter seems to suggest that abstentions and ABSENTEES are not counted to the ratio Only AYES vs. NAYS…..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It took me a minute or two to figure it out. One thing I found is that 15 members didn’t vote: 8 Reps &amp; 7 Dems…3 of the Dems caught my attn = Kucinich, Stark (D-CA), &amp; Van Hollen (D-MD) plus 4 others. And interestingly Ron Paul didn’t cast a vote either.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1115840"><em>cinnamonape @ 111</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>That’s almost the way I read it. It’s counted by Yeas and Nays and these are recorded. If the proportion of those reach 2/3rds the veto is overridden in that House. I say almost since the latter seems to suggest that abstentions and ABSENTEES are not counted to the ratio Only AYES vs. NAYS…..</p>
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<p>It took me a minute or two to figure it out. One thing I found is that 15 members didn’t vote: 8 Reps &amp; 7 Dems…3 of the Dems caught my attn = Kucinich, Stark (D-CA), &amp; Van Hollen (D-MD) plus 4 others. And interestingly Ron Paul didn’t cast a vote either.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1115821&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sandman @ 110&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well, not to many people will read this now that Book Salon is upstairs, but I wanted to say about Ron Paul.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He is concerned about the value of the dollar and it has fallen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He is concerned that the US does not report the M3 Money Supply under the Bush Administration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe he is concerned that the US under reports inflation.  Anyone who buys anything except computers would have to agree with that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His concerns seem right on to me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So? Are you sure that the other candidates would not support disclosing the M3 Money Supply? Thats eems just good transparency to me. Or that they are not concerned about under-reporting inflation? I’m sure the Democratic candidates would support measures of actual inflation to average consumers, whether that included volatile elemnts like gas/energy/and food or not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And any candidate should be concerned over the falling value of the dollar and what that means economically, and diplomatically. It might help the balance of trade, but that would only be true up until other countries shifted to pricing in Euros and insisted on payment in the latter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1115821"><em>Sandman @ 110</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Well, not to many people will read this now that Book Salon is upstairs, but I wanted to say about Ron Paul.</p>
<p>He is concerned about the value of the dollar and it has fallen.</p>
<p>He is concerned that the US does not report the M3 Money Supply under the Bush Administration.</p>
<p>I believe he is concerned that the US under reports inflation.  Anyone who buys anything except computers would have to agree with that.</p>
<p>His concerns seem right on to me.</p>
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<p>So? Are you sure that the other candidates would not support disclosing the M3 Money Supply? Thats eems just good transparency to me. Or that they are not concerned about under-reporting inflation? I’m sure the Democratic candidates would support measures of actual inflation to average consumers, whether that included volatile elemnts like gas/energy/and food or not.</p>
<p>And any candidate should be concerned over the falling value of the dollar and what that means economically, and diplomatically. It might help the balance of trade, but that would only be true up until other countries shifted to pricing in Euros and insisted on payment in the latter.</p>
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