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	<title>Comments on: Joss Whedon on the WGA Strike</title>
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		<title>By: Fredric Weizmann</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/25/joss-whedon-on-the-wga-strike/#comment-1117213</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredric Weizmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am a faculty at a university in Canada, where many university faculty are unionized. We went on an eight-week strike in 1997 and faced ridicule in many quarters (mostly from non-striking faculty) that this was not a “real strike”, that faculty unions were not real unions (incidentally, this came most frequently from our Marxist brethren who did not support the strike; they felt that we were not sufficiently working-class to deserve a real union.) This despite the fact that we were out picketing in a very cold wet Canadian Spring and often threatened by outraged motorists trying to get on campus. Several of our members were hit by cars and one was killed. The best remark on the whole ‘real strike’ thing was given by a Teamster who asked if we had a ‘fire-barrel’, which we did because of the cold and damp. When we said yes, he said “Well, then it’s a real strike.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a faculty at a university in Canada, where many university faculty are unionized. We went on an eight-week strike in 1997 and faced ridicule in many quarters (mostly from non-striking faculty) that this was not a “real strike”, that faculty unions were not real unions (incidentally, this came most frequently from our Marxist brethren who did not support the strike; they felt that we were not sufficiently working-class to deserve a real union.) This despite the fact that we were out picketing in a very cold wet Canadian Spring and often threatened by outraged motorists trying to get on campus. Several of our members were hit by cars and one was killed. The best remark on the whole ‘real strike’ thing was given by a Teamster who asked if we had a ‘fire-barrel’, which we did because of the cold and damp. When we said yes, he said “Well, then it’s a real strike.”</p>
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		<title>By: mroberts</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/25/joss-whedon-on-the-wga-strike/#comment-1117016</link>
		<dc:creator>mroberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, c’mon, we can do without their “work.”  Sure, just get everybody in the country to throw away their tv sets — let’s see how easily that goes over.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, c’mon, we can do without their “work.”  Sure, just get everybody in the country to throw away their tv sets — let’s see how easily that goes over.</p>
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		<title>By: Aquarius40</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/25/joss-whedon-on-the-wga-strike/#comment-1116755</link>
		<dc:creator>Aquarius40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1116521&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;low-tech cyclist @ 67&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;America really needs more white-collar unions, for  a bunch of reasons.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First, obviously, is that they’d be good for white-collar workers.  If you’re a computer programmer and the bosses say there’s a big deadline and you have to work 80 hours a week for the next two months, you want a union that demands that you at least get paid time and a half for giving up a big extra chunk of your life, rather than being a ‘professional’ whose time after the first 40 hours each week is a free resource to teh company.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another is that if white-collar workers had successful unions, they’d feel a lot more kinship with blue-collar workers who need the unions even more than they do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A third, and the one relevant here, is that white-collar folks are the pundits’ real audience.  And if that audience was full of people who could speak from firsthand knowledge in pointing out why The Village’s anti-union bias was so ridiculous, the feedback might force them to change their tune.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Totally spot on!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1116521"><em>low-tech cyclist @ 67</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>America really needs more white-collar unions, for  a bunch of reasons.  </p>
<p>First, obviously, is that they’d be good for white-collar workers.  If you’re a computer programmer and the bosses say there’s a big deadline and you have to work 80 hours a week for the next two months, you want a union that demands that you at least get paid time and a half for giving up a big extra chunk of your life, rather than being a ‘professional’ whose time after the first 40 hours each week is a free resource to teh company.</p>
<p>Another is that if white-collar workers had successful unions, they’d feel a lot more kinship with blue-collar workers who need the unions even more than they do.</p>
<p>A third, and the one relevant here, is that white-collar folks are the pundits’ real audience.  And if that audience was full of people who could speak from firsthand knowledge in pointing out why The Village’s anti-union bias was so ridiculous, the feedback might force them to change their tune.</p>
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<p>Totally spot on!</p>
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		<title>By: RickinSF</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/25/joss-whedon-on-the-wga-strike/#comment-1116692</link>
		<dc:creator>RickinSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was trying to quote marymcurnin there, at 69.&lt;br /&gt;
Sumfin’ happened.&lt;br /&gt;
More coffee….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying to quote marymcurnin there, at 69.<br />
Sumfin’ happened.<br />
More coffee….</p>
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		<title>By: RickinSF</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/25/joss-whedon-on-the-wga-strike/#comment-1116687</link>
		<dc:creator>RickinSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And as a painter I hate, hate, hate it when &lt;strike&gt;idiots&lt;/strike&gt; people look at a painting and say “I could do that”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A friend of mine, also an artist, hears that now and again and his response is: “But you didn’t.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shuts ‘em up every time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And as a painter I hate, hate, hate it when <strike>idiots</strike> people look at a painting and say “I could do that”.</p></blockquote>
<p>A friend of mine, also an artist, hears that now and again and his response is: “But you didn’t.”</p>
<p>Shuts ‘em up every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Organic George</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/25/joss-whedon-on-the-wga-strike/#comment-1116657</link>
		<dc:creator>Organic George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Writer = Deadlines&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The did not say they wanted it good, they said they wanted it by Thursday”  God I hate quoting Ronald Regan, but then again it was some writer who rit dem wrds.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writer = Deadlines</p>
<p>“The did not say they wanted it good, they said they wanted it by Thursday”  God I hate quoting Ronald Regan, but then again it was some writer who rit dem wrds.</p>
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		<title>By: low-tech cyclist</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/25/joss-whedon-on-the-wga-strike/#comment-1116521</link>
		<dc:creator>low-tech cyclist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;America really needs more white-collar unions, for  a bunch of reasons.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First, obviously, is that they’d be good for white-collar workers.  If you’re a computer programmer and the bosses say there’s a big deadline and you have to work 80 hours a week for the next two months, you want a union that demands that you at least get paid time and a half for giving up a big extra chunk of your life, rather than being a ‘professional’ whose time after the first 40 hours each week is a free resource to teh company.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another is that if white-collar workers had successful unions, they’d feel a lot more kinship with blue-collar workers who need the unions even more than they do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A third, and the one relevant here, is that white-collar folks are the pundits’ real audience.  And if that audience was full of people who could speak from firsthand knowledge in pointing out why The Village’s anti-union bias was so ridiculous, the feedback might force them to change their tune.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America really needs more white-collar unions, for  a bunch of reasons.  </p>
<p>First, obviously, is that they’d be good for white-collar workers.  If you’re a computer programmer and the bosses say there’s a big deadline and you have to work 80 hours a week for the next two months, you want a union that demands that you at least get paid time and a half for giving up a big extra chunk of your life, rather than being a ‘professional’ whose time after the first 40 hours each week is a free resource to teh company.</p>
<p>Another is that if white-collar workers had successful unions, they’d feel a lot more kinship with blue-collar workers who need the unions even more than they do.</p>
<p>A third, and the one relevant here, is that white-collar folks are the pundits’ real audience.  And if that audience was full of people who could speak from firsthand knowledge in pointing out why The Village’s anti-union bias was so ridiculous, the feedback might force them to change their tune.</p>
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		<title>By: Shell</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/25/joss-whedon-on-the-wga-strike/#comment-1116477</link>
		<dc:creator>Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hate to say this (trust me, I do) but most Americans are like this.  They never think of the background to a teevee show.  They just think of whether they like it or not.  Fair enough.  BUT, then why comment on a strike?  If you know nothing about the jobs of those striking, don’t comment on it, or even think, “Lazy bums.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess it was because I put up with this my whole childhood.  My father was a college professor.  And not just that, in humanities.  Worthless, in rural Oklahoma, where hunting and guns RULED.  Too many would comment on his profession, without knowing a single thing about it.  (And one Art teacher in Jr. High School acted on this.  He held up a picture of a great art work (but not common, like the Mona Lisa) and said, “I painted this in college, and I got a C!”)  You can say about anything to too many Americans, and get away with it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say this (trust me, I do) but most Americans are like this.  They never think of the background to a teevee show.  They just think of whether they like it or not.  Fair enough.  BUT, then why comment on a strike?  If you know nothing about the jobs of those striking, don’t comment on it, or even think, “Lazy bums.”</p>
<p>I guess it was because I put up with this my whole childhood.  My father was a college professor.  And not just that, in humanities.  Worthless, in rural Oklahoma, where hunting and guns RULED.  Too many would comment on his profession, without knowing a single thing about it.  (And one Art teacher in Jr. High School acted on this.  He held up a picture of a great art work (but not common, like the Mona Lisa) and said, “I painted this in college, and I got a C!”)  You can say about anything to too many Americans, and get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: itwasntme</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/25/joss-whedon-on-the-wga-strike/#comment-1116335</link>
		<dc:creator>itwasntme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Corporate Cows: A Cautionary Tale&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A megacorporation is looking for business to snap up and buys a dairy. They know nothing about dairies, but so what. Naturally, they want to find a way to squeeze more profit out of it. The money guys go in there and figure out they can save money if they don’t feed the cows such expensive food. When the dairy business fails because the milk is no good, they blame the cows.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporate Cows: A Cautionary Tale</p>
<p>A megacorporation is looking for business to snap up and buys a dairy. They know nothing about dairies, but so what. Naturally, they want to find a way to squeeze more profit out of it. The money guys go in there and figure out they can save money if they don’t feed the cows such expensive food. When the dairy business fails because the milk is no good, they blame the cows.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/25/joss-whedon-on-the-wga-strike/#comment-1116317</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1116177&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;scottymac @ 60&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Isn’t this about the studios paying the writers one time and reaping income from the writings forever without any further compensation to the writers? I never got that from the NTY article.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Every contract computer programmer knows the feeling. You write a program and they use it over and over and over and you only get paid once.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How many jobs are like that?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1116177"><em>scottymac @ 60</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Isn’t this about the studios paying the writers one time and reaping income from the writings forever without any further compensation to the writers? I never got that from the NTY article.</p>
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<p>Every contract computer programmer knows the feeling. You write a program and they use it over and over and over and you only get paid once.</p>
<p>How many jobs are like that?</p>
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