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		<title>By: KELLI2L</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/24/un-says-tasers-a-form-of-torture/#comment-1116006</link>
		<dc:creator>KELLI2L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why can’t they use a non-violent way to immobilize - such as laughing gas.&lt;br /&gt;
Laughter is good for you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can’t they use a non-violent way to immobilize &#8211; such as laughing gas.<br />
Laughter is good for you.</p>
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		<title>By: EagleX</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/24/un-says-tasers-a-form-of-torture/#comment-1115496</link>
		<dc:creator>EagleX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;US Military interventions in Latin America in the 20th century:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Honduras 1903&lt;br /&gt;
Dominican Republic 1903-04&lt;br /&gt;
Cuba 1906-09&lt;br /&gt;
Nicaragua 1907&lt;br /&gt;
Honduras 1907&lt;br /&gt;
Panama 1908&lt;br /&gt;
Nicaragua 1910&lt;br /&gt;
Honduras 1911&lt;br /&gt;
Cuba 1912&lt;br /&gt;
Panama 1912&lt;br /&gt;
Honduras 1912&lt;br /&gt;
Nicaragua 1912-33&lt;br /&gt;
Mexico 1913&lt;br /&gt;
Dominican Republic 1914&lt;br /&gt;
Mexico 1914-18&lt;br /&gt;
Haiti 1914-34&lt;br /&gt;
Dominican Republic 1916-24&lt;br /&gt;
Panama 1918-20&lt;br /&gt;
Honduras 1919&lt;br /&gt;
Guatemala 1920&lt;br /&gt;
Costa Rica 1921&lt;br /&gt;
Panama 1921&lt;br /&gt;
Honduras 1924-25&lt;br /&gt;
Panama 1925&lt;br /&gt;
El Salvador 1932&lt;br /&gt;
Uruguay 1947&lt;br /&gt;
Panama 1958&lt;br /&gt;
Panama 1964&lt;br /&gt;
Dominican Republic 1965-66&lt;br /&gt;
Honduras 1982-90&lt;br /&gt;
Grenada 1983-84&lt;br /&gt;
Bolivia 1987&lt;br /&gt;
Panama 1989&lt;br /&gt;
Haiti 1994&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More importantly, thanks to American hegemony all of these nations (except Cuba) are more peaceful, free, prosperous, and stable than at any time in their violent and despotic past.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Source: Freedom House, 2007.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also posted a response that was censored, I will re-post:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While the many lament holding suspected terrorists underwater or the use of the tazer on stupid, impaired, and potentially dangerous malcontents; many on this blog support or disregard the annual murder and torture of tens of thousands of our most vulnerable and innocent (without anesthesia) — babies in the third trimester.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need to be reminded that these 6-9 month old innocents have (1) self-awareness, (2) feel pain, and (3) understand the horror associated with their murders.  These innocents are brutalized by a forced hollow metal rod injected into the babies skull and the brains sucked out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In summary, hypocrisy, barbarism, (and censorship) appear to be the cornerstone of Progressive “thought”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.”  ~Noam Chomsky&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; “Censorship of anything, at any time, in any place, on whatever pretense, has always been and always be the last resort of the boob and the bigot.”Eugene Gladstone O’Neill, American playwright&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US Military interventions in Latin America in the 20th century:</p>
<p>Honduras 1903<br />
Dominican Republic 1903-04<br />
Cuba 1906-09<br />
Nicaragua 1907<br />
Honduras 1907<br />
Panama 1908<br />
Nicaragua 1910<br />
Honduras 1911<br />
Cuba 1912<br />
Panama 1912<br />
Honduras 1912<br />
Nicaragua 1912-33<br />
Mexico 1913<br />
Dominican Republic 1914<br />
Mexico 1914-18<br />
Haiti 1914-34<br />
Dominican Republic 1916-24<br />
Panama 1918-20<br />
Honduras 1919<br />
Guatemala 1920<br />
Costa Rica 1921<br />
Panama 1921<br />
Honduras 1924-25<br />
Panama 1925<br />
El Salvador 1932<br />
Uruguay 1947<br />
Panama 1958<br />
Panama 1964<br />
Dominican Republic 1965-66<br />
Honduras 1982-90<br />
Grenada 1983-84<br />
Bolivia 1987<br />
Panama 1989<br />
Haiti 1994</p>
<p>More importantly, thanks to American hegemony all of these nations (except Cuba) are more peaceful, free, prosperous, and stable than at any time in their violent and despotic past.</p>
<p>Source: Freedom House, 2007.</p>
<p>I also posted a response that was censored, I will re-post:</p>
<p>While the many lament holding suspected terrorists underwater or the use of the tazer on stupid, impaired, and potentially dangerous malcontents; many on this blog support or disregard the annual murder and torture of tens of thousands of our most vulnerable and innocent (without anesthesia) — babies in the third trimester.</p>
<p>We need to be reminded that these 6-9 month old innocents have (1) self-awareness, (2) feel pain, and (3) understand the horror associated with their murders.  These innocents are brutalized by a forced hollow metal rod injected into the babies skull and the brains sucked out.</p>
<p>In summary, hypocrisy, barbarism, (and censorship) appear to be the cornerstone of Progressive “thought”.</p>
<p>“If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.”  ~Noam Chomsky</p>
<p> “Censorship of anything, at any time, in any place, on whatever pretense, has always been and always be the last resort of the boob and the bigot.”Eugene Gladstone O’Neill, American playwright</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 04:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The day they announce that government has come to a halt…such as in Pakistan….will cause a great  Shock and Awe, once again, in our society…Please……., there are great minds out there that see this almost upon us….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t play chicken….be the fox, be the bull, be the stallion.  Don’t put up with this…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just Stop it Now!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The day they announce that government has come to a halt…such as in Pakistan….will cause a great  Shock and Awe, once again, in our society…Please……., there are great minds out there that see this almost upon us….</p>
<p>Don’t play chicken….be the fox, be the bull, be the stallion.  Don’t put up with this…</p>
<p>Just Stop it Now!</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/24/un-says-tasers-a-form-of-torture/#comment-1114782</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1114751&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;marymccurnin @ 204&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1114745&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 198&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yes - and typically it’s not just clothes and accessories. hair cut, nails and general bearing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once in Sonoma I made a California rolling stop thru a stop sign at 3 in the morning. I was pulled over by two cops. I rolled down my window and with my best southern belle accent asked them whatever did they want? Combined with that demeanor and my address they let me go. Chumps.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did the same thing in New Jersey. Was speeding &amp; got pulled over but claimed I never saw the lowered speed limit in construction zone signs as I travelled the same route every Sunday night for years. Cop saw my sleeping 10-year-old &amp; let me go. Another unfair positive-prfiling story. A friend toal me his ex-wife cried every time she got pulled over &amp; got away with it every time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now I think we gals ought to shut up. Pretty soon the guys are going to get really upset with how many privledges we have.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1114751"><em>marymccurnin @ 204</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1114745"><em>selise @ 198</em></a></p>
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<p>yes &#8211; and typically it’s not just clothes and accessories. hair cut, nails and general bearing.</p>
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<p>Once in Sonoma I made a California rolling stop thru a stop sign at 3 in the morning. I was pulled over by two cops. I rolled down my window and with my best southern belle accent asked them whatever did they want? Combined with that demeanor and my address they let me go. Chumps.</p>
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<p>Did the same thing in New Jersey. Was speeding &amp; got pulled over but claimed I never saw the lowered speed limit in construction zone signs as I travelled the same route every Sunday night for years. Cop saw my sleeping 10-year-old &amp; let me go. Another unfair positive-prfiling story. A friend toal me his ex-wife cried every time she got pulled over &amp; got away with it every time.</p>
<p>Now I think we gals ought to shut up. Pretty soon the guys are going to get really upset with how many privledges we have.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/24/un-says-tasers-a-form-of-torture/#comment-1114779</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1114757&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fern @ 209&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1114750&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 203&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;read his book when i was going through my world view change on america’s place and history in the world. it made an impression.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That it would. When people say - as they often do - that they want their country back, I think - sorry, this is your country. All they have lost is their illusions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the illusion i hate to loose is the one where americans have to be lied to because they would otherwise never support aggressive war,regime change, torture, secret prisons and gov. spying. the one where americans valiantly fight for all that is good and just - not the one where we don’t give a shit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hanging out with you-all reminds me that it is not always illusion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1114757"><em>Fern @ 209</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1114750"><em>selise @ 203</em></a></p>
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<p>read his book when i was going through my world view change on america’s place and history in the world. it made an impression.</p>
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<p>That it would. When people say &#8211; as they often do &#8211; that they want their country back, I think &#8211; sorry, this is your country. All they have lost is their illusions.</p>
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<p>the illusion i hate to loose is the one where americans have to be lied to because they would otherwise never support aggressive war,regime change, torture, secret prisons and gov. spying. the one where americans valiantly fight for all that is good and just &#8211; not the one where we don’t give a shit.</p>
<p>hanging out with you-all reminds me that it is not always illusion.</p>
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		<title>By: DrDick</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrDick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;New thread up above.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New thread up above.</p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1114756&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SunnyNobility @ 208&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1114656&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 117&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Sounds like it might have been a necessary use. I have seen hospital personnel injured by very large, very drunk men in the ER.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps, but would be more compelling if it were just one instance. A properly staffed emergency room should be generally equipped to handle drunk/psychotic patients.  Two instances this close together carries the whiff of shortcut over-reliance/understaffing.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Possibly tasering should be treated like gun shots - w/after action reviews.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So how did hospitals handle these situations before they had tasers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1114756"><em>SunnyNobility @ 208</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1114656"><em>Steve-AR @ 117</em></a></p>
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<p>Sounds like it might have been a necessary use. I have seen hospital personnel injured by very large, very drunk men in the ER.</p>
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<p>Perhaps, but would be more compelling if it were just one instance. A properly staffed emergency room should be generally equipped to handle drunk/psychotic patients.  Two instances this close together carries the whiff of shortcut over-reliance/understaffing.  </p>
<p>Possibly tasering should be treated like gun shots &#8211; w/after action reviews.</p>
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<p>So how did hospitals handle these situations before they had tasers.</p>
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		<title>By: marymccurnin</title>
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		<dc:creator>marymccurnin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1114761&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Suzanne @ 213&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1114759&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;newtonusr @ 211&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Kiss like an angel and kick like a mule.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;bless your little heart&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Suzanne!&lt;br /&gt;
and&lt;br /&gt;
Demi!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1114761"><em>Suzanne @ 213</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1114759"><em>newtonusr @ 211</em></a></p>
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Kiss like an angel and kick like a mule.</p>
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<p>bless your little heart</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Suzanne!<br />
and<br />
Demi!</p>
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		<title>By: CTuttle</title>
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		<dc:creator>CTuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1114761&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Suzanne @ 213&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1114759&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;newtonusr @ 211&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Kiss like an angel and kick like a mule.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;bless your little heart&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Evening, Ma Cheri!  Ya might not want to read this thread…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1114761"><em>Suzanne @ 213</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1114759"><em>newtonusr @ 211</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>
Kiss like an angel and kick like a mule.</p>
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<p>bless your little heart</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Evening, Ma Cheri!  Ya might not want to read this thread…</p>
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		<title>By: DrDick</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrDick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1114759&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;newtonusr @ 210&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1114755&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;marymccurnin @ 207&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cause we ahr sweet and mean.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kiss like an angel and kick like a mule.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The razor steel fist in the velvet glove.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1114759"><em>newtonusr @ 210</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1114755"><em>marymccurnin @ 207</em></a></p>
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<p>Cause we ahr sweet and mean.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Kiss like an angel and kick like a mule.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The razor steel fist in the velvet glove.</p>
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