CTuttle @ 42

Actually, they were never accepted by the Church of England, similarly, they left Holland(where it was started) to go to England, then, after being persecuted there, they headed to America… The principal cause for the persecution was their strict adherence to their views…

Absolutely correct. They also ended up in Western Michigan via the Netherlands. Erik Prince of Blackwater and Dick DeVos of Amway are current inheritors of the faith. Dutch Reform. Their combined conservative/religious movement is much more sophisticated and insidious than the Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell variety. Convicted felon Chuck Colson(sp?) and his prison ministry is tied in with these hombres too.

Although the Pilgrims went to Holland they were English originally. I think that Dutch reformed is a different genealogy.

Call me Ishmael @ 71

Could you see if you could get the link to the source article up and running? There are some things in it that don’t make sense but I would like to see the whole thing.

Also, there were important differences between the Pilgrims at Plymouth and the larger Puritan migration who settled at Massachusetts Bay. But they were both congregationalists so I am not sure that excommunication makes sense in either case.

Important differences? Plymouth is in the Mass. Bay area, basically, if there are differences it would be attributed to the Pastors differences, rather than fundamental differences. Say, Cotton Mather’s Hail and Brimstone sermons versus another Pastor’s preaching…

Actually, they were separate colonies originally and they had a different view of the English Church. Cottton Mather wasn’t till much later in the 17th century and the whole religious culture had changed in important ways by then. Pilgrims wanted to separate entirely from the English Church, Puritans wanted to start an internal reformation. I know that this may not be important for the particular issues of Thanksgiving but it was a very important point for them.

On the original post I would be really interested in hearing about the “excommunication” aspects that the post talks about. One thing that the Puritans were quite concerned with was that church and state be institutionally separate so I am not sure how someone would be excommunicated for attitudes towards either Native societies or property, Excommunication would be for heresy (and probably would not have been called excommunication anyway)

Unlike conforming Puritan groups who maintained their membership in and allegiance to the Church of England, Separatists held that their differences with the Church of England were irreconcilable and that their worship should be organized independently of the trappings, traditions and organization of a central state church.[1]

But you’re in good company. Nathaniel Philbrick in his otherwise excellent book on the Mayflower makes the same mistake.

Bob in HI

We don’t hang African Americans we just put them in prisons. Women can vote but is there a real candidate out there? Look what we are doing to the Iraqis. Is the United States really a life affirming place? Is the United States a moral place? Do we torture? I could go on but can’t stand it.

A too broad brush tars the innocent as well as the guilty. Nothing exists save ME. A murderer kills someone the suicide kills everything. Be happy when I die and all will be happy.

I’d read about the genocide in Tasmania and ended up there in 1974. Finding a Tasmanian Aboriginal Union and thinking, Eh?

It only took 60some years to discover I had some Native American background myself.

Gosh, the part of my blood that is from Europeans feels guilt and revulsion. The part that is Native American just wishes white people would stop using Native Americans as a whip to flog themselves.

Hello GG.

rwcole @ 33

Wasn’t it the PILGRIMS? The puritans as I understand it was another much larger group who retained membership in the Church of England-

Actually, they were never accepted by the Church of England, similarly, they left Holland(where it was started) to go to England, then, after being persecuted there, they headed to America… The principal cause for the persecution was their strict adherence to their views…

Absolutely correct. They also ended up in Western Michigan via the Netherlands. Erik Prince of Blackwater and Dick DeVos of Amway are current inheritors of the faith. Dutch Reform. Their combined conservative/religious movement is much more sophisticated and insidious than the Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell variety. Convicted felon Chuck Colson(sp?) and his prison ministry is tied in with these hombres too.

SnarKassandra @ 108

Steve AR, there is a county lady who comes to our house once a month and looks around to see if I have a bed and is there food in the fridge and toilet paper and enough clothes. Do you think she’s looking for bombs too?

Illegal aliens probably. Too many suspicious brown skinned folks living there, you know.

One more good reason to change our immigration policy…to prevent them from having an excuse for violating our privacy.