So, if it’s on the now GOP controlled PBS, it’s gotta be true? (sigh) Listen, steel doesn’t become “plastic at 800 degrees unless you’re using that term in a very subtle atomic sense. Steel structures have been repeatedly tested by exposure to prolonged petroleum-based fire and they can’t get the temperature of the steel itself (not the surrounding air, mind you) to raise above 647 F, due to the heat sink effect of the rest of the steel stucture. The fires at the Twin Towers were *very* small and very short, with most of the jet fuel atomizing and oxidizing in the first 10 seconds of the event (it’s in the NIST report).

It’s beyond me to understand how anyone could watch those three buildings fall into their own footprints and conclude that they fell like that without “help”. Given how small the fires were (there were people photographed waving for help at the site of impact, indicating that the fires there were out) and yet videos show melting metal pouring out of the buildings( can you say thermite?), you’ve got to agree that there are some real inconsistancies with the 9/11 Report.

LS @ 150

I call BS. 3 (three)..steel-framed buildings collapsed on the same day…for the first time in the history of the world…defying architectural logistics…that even one steel-framed buildingcollapsed…ever…ever…ever…ever…would be newsworthy.

Explain it then.

As an architect (yes, registered, yes, practicing) let me give you a few salient facts to explain the collapse of the two towers.If you want the Number 1 reason the towers collapsed on Sept. 11, look no further than the architect.
Minoru Yamasaki designed the WTC. If you google “Pruitt-Igoe”, you will find that the WTC was not the first building of Yamasaki’s to come down. He’s not a good architect. The design of the WTC towers was radical, careless, unprecedented. Jet fuel is NOT explosive, unless it is mixed with fertilizer, as in the OK City bombing. But it does burn at about 700 degrees, and heat weakens steel. Jet fuel will not melt steel, but it gets it preety hot and soft.

When any grade of steel is heated, the steel weakens, bends, and in the continued presence of heat, ends in “dynamic failure.” The reason no other steel framed buildings ever collapsed before is that 99.9% of steel buildings are well designed. The WTC towers were not well designed, and the collapse of one or two floors virtually guaranteed that the entire building would come down, straight down, and land virtually within its own footprint.

Controlled demolition of the towers? Not possible. In addition to explosive charges placed to cut the columns in an exact, programmed sequence, the structural elements are tied together with steel cables which are then pulled tight, like guitar strings, so that loose pieces of structure do not escape the building envelope. This work takes days and weeks to set up. It is steel cables, generally 1/2″ in diameter, large winches and turnbuckles. It is obvious to anyone inside the building. It can not be concealed. If no one saw lots and lots of steel cables strung across the open floors of the WTC on Sept. 8th, it was not controlled demolition. If you say it is ‘impossible’ that the WTC should have collapsed on its own, I say it is impossible that it was rigged for controlled demolition. And I have a license to back it up.
Did Bush and Cheney and Rice LIHOP? I don’t have the right license to back up my belief that the answer to that is ‘yes’. Did Bush, Cheney et al benefit from Sept. 11? All you need is eyes to anser that yourself.

let me guess, you design dog houses and tool sheds.

peas!

They didn’t turn them into dust. The fire heated them enough so they became too weak to support the structure above them. And then the 20 stories above the fire fell onto the story below them. If you drop a 20 story building 8 feet onto the top of a 90 story building, the lower building will collapse very quickly, as you can see in the video.

I am not an engineer but the buildings looked imploded which would not be hard to do with wireless detonators. I find it difficult to believe both buildings collapsed straight down (the fire weakening the girders differently) One would think the top floors would fall to the side the plane hit, much like a tree falls in the direction it is notched.

Some of the conspiracy theories found in something like “Loose Change” make no sense, like the airplanes that hit the buildings weren’t the ones that were hijacked, but that doesn’t explain why, in the days following 9/11, when all planes were grounded, some planes went around the country picking up Saudis before we realized 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. Someone had to have advance knowledge. Who in our government approved that operation?

Forget also why the fighters did not scramble. I’m not sure what the rules were for this situation but the planes were obviously hijacked from the get go.

Finally, speaking of the MSM’s failure to look into things, why didn’t they investigate Jeff Gannon, the homosexual prostitute with white house press privileges who apparently stayed over at the white house. Did Bush, Rove and he have threesomes? Supposedly the white house logs don’t show the time he went in and the time he left.

Mark B. from Austin TX @ 131

Yeah, that crap about WTC 7 keeps being dragged out again and again. One thing that never seems to be taken into account by those people is that the buildings in the WTC complex weren’t really seperate buidings. It really was one one big underground complex with several tall above ground extensions. I used to spend some time in the underground area below the complex when I took the PATH train into Manhattan and got off there to ride my bike to the village. Obviously, this is a terrible design, but in the 60s when they were designing them they really didn’t think about terrorism.

The collapse of the towers destroyed a lot of the underground stucture, and the very intense fire that followed finished it off. I’m not surprised that WTC 7 collapsed. I’m actually surprised that any of the buildings survived.

I call BS. 3 (three)..steel-framed buildings collapsed on the same day…for the first time in the history of the world…defying architectural logistics…that even one steel-framed buildingcollapsed…ever…ever…ever…ever…would be newsworthy.

Explain it then.

As an architect (yes, registered, yes, practicing) let me give you a few salient facts to explain the collapse of the two towers.If you want the Number 1 reason the towers collapsed on Sept. 11, look no further than the architect.
Minoru Yamasaki designed the WTC. If you google “Pruitt-Igoe”, you will find that the WTC was not the first building of Yamasaki’s to come down. He’s not a good architect. The design of the WTC towers was radical, careless, unprecedented. Jet fuel is NOT explosive, unless it is mixed with fertilizer, as in the OK City bombing. But it does burn at about 700 degrees, and heat weakens steel. Jet fuel will not melt steel, but it gets it preety hot and soft.

When any grade of steel is heated, the steel weakens, bends, and in the continued presence of heat, ends in “dynamic failure.” The reason no other steel framed buildings ever collapsed before is that 99.9% of steel buildings are well designed. The WTC towers were not well designed, and the collapse of one or two floors virtually guaranteed that the entire building would come down, straight down, and land virtually within its own footprint.

Controlled demolition of the towers? Not possible. In addition to explosive charges placed to cut the columns in an exact, programmed sequence, the structural elements are tied together with steel cables which are then pulled tight, like guitar strings, so that loose pieces of structure do not escape the building envelope. This work takes days and weeks to set up. It is steel cables, generally 1/2″ in diameter, large winches and turnbuckles. It is obvious to anyone inside the building. It can not be concealed. If no one saw lots and lots of steel cables strung across the open floors of the WTC on Sept. 8th, it was not controlled demolition. If you say it is ‘impossible’ that the WTC should have collapsed on its own, I say it is impossible that it was rigged for controlled demolition. And I have a license to back it up.
Did Bush and Cheney and Rice LIHOP? I don’t have the right license to back up my belief that the answer to that is ‘yes’. Did Bush, Cheney et al benefit from Sept. 11? All you need is eyes to anser that yourself.

http://video.google.com/videop…..6596731782

Anyway, here’s a couple more paranoia inducing facts that you forgot in the post. 1) Early in the administration, after stealing the election and after refusing to see the South Korean PM who came to the Whitehouse to talk about starting nuke talks with North Korea, but before saving the “heroes of Hunan” by saying “sorry” with his fingers crossed behind his back, Bush “unsigned” the World Criminal Court treaty. Isn’t that the act of a man with a plan — planning on breaking the principles of Nuremburg, anyway?

2) There’s something real funny about that date. Don’t you think that 911 smacks more of Western psyops than Islamic jihad?

Bartcop asks the right question, what wouldn’t powerful, evil men do to make billions and amass absolute power?

after silverstein and the nyfd decided to ‘pull’ building 7, what demolition company set the explosives?

peas!

“Pull ‘em” is fireman lingo for “get the hell out” of a burning (or collapsing) building.

I don’t think anyone doubts that the 9-11 attacks were the result of a conspiracy.

The questions is, who was involved in the conspiracy?

Or how many conspiracies?