(Please welcome in the comments Christine Pelosi, author of Campaign Boot Camp: Basic Training for Future Leaders — jh)
Christine Pelosi is the (justifiably) proud daughter of the first woman Speaker of the House, and as the veteran of many a campaign trench she has written Campaign Boot Camp, which almost serves as a checklist of “dos” and “don’t” for a successfully run campaign.
At first much of the advice may seem obvious (“Define your message”…”Establish a policy strategy”), but as someone who regularly interacts with candidates through our Blue America PAC, it’s remarkable how the “obvious” seems to evade so many. I donate to almost every candidate we have when they come here to chat on Saturdays; some begin skillful and regular communication based on that donation, and others I never hear from again. As Pelosi notes in her book, a list of identified donors who have given in the past is worth its weight in gold. Within a short period of time it becomes obvious who has their shit together and who doesn’t.
She talks with many grass roots campaign veterans, and in one of the best parts of the book she discusses how online organizing has changed the face of modern campaigning. She makes a wise decision to look to Lamont/Dodd online guru Tim Tagaris for advice:
[Tim's] web post of December 2004 on the netroots became an instant classic. Tagaris wrote: “If you want to withdraw cash using my ATM card (and millions like me), if you want to built that ‘political movement’ on-line,you better know the pin number.” The 4-digit pin number Tagaris identifies…first, direct communication with online communities; second, involving netroots in your effort; third, outreach to opinion leaders; and fourth, your position on the issues/your opponent.
The essence of online networking is summarized by Tagaris’s observation that “the ideas of 50,000 [people] will almost always be better than the ideas of 5 people who live their entire lives inside of a campaign headquarters.” You have to let go some control an listen to the wisdom of crowds if you are going to represent people or attract large numbers of them to your cause.
I’m sure that thought is frightening to many old-school campaigners, but it also offers up new possibilities to those willing to embrace the challenges.
Pelosi goes to great lengths to talk about coalition building in the book, saying that “if you are engaged in electoral politics, your success relies on a bipartisan vision for America on at least one issue.” And I’m sure in the world of electoral politics, that’s true, and it probably explains much of the schism between the perspectives of politicians and online activists:
In the words of former Congresswoman Lindy Boggs of Louisiana, “never fight each fight as if it were your last,” because today’s adversaries may well become tomorrow’s allies.
Now I have no need to wake up the next morning and say “you know, I really need to make it up with Malkin.” It’s not what we do, but it is what politicians have to do. They’re in the alliance business — they have to be in order to get things done.
Which was why it was curious that Rahm Emanuel took the opportunity during a real-world version of the Boot Camp, which many Blue America candidates attended, to tell the best and the brightest of the House challengers to “move to the right” on immigration and throw Hispanics under the bus. The Hispanic caucus is quite rightfully livid about Emanuel’s enforcement-only immigration bill, which won Tom Tancredo’s seal of approval. Pelosi sagely counsels Democratic hopefuls to come together after a tough election battle and enfranchise voters who may have stood against them in the campaign:
One of my rules for baseball is, “Don’t boo the home team.” That’s what the other side is for.
In politics, this sentiment is memorialized in President Reagan’s eleventh commandment: “Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican.”
It isn’t really a nitty-gritty, down-and-dirty book; it’s actually a refreshingly optimistic work that encourages average citizens to run for office, and makes them feel like they have the tools with which to do so. But obviously somewhere along the line, people like Emanuel are going to feel it’s in their interest to define the “home team” in a politically expedient way that throws up a rather smallish tent. Pelosi doesn’t examine that kind of cynical, political calculation.
Likewise, for all her wise counsel to candidates to stay “on message,” it’s Emanuel who shows up hitting a horribly wrong note:
[T]he campaign that can take a punch, absorb the hit, and throw a punch in response can turn the tables on the opposition.
This lesson was applied in the closing days of the 2006 campaign. The punches about Iraq kept on coming as did the rapid response: “To pull out, to withdraw from this war is losing. The Democrats appear to be content with losing,” said Senator Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina, who led the Senate GOP’s campaign effort. Infuriated, Rahm Emanuel, Demoratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman, responded: “We want to win and we want a new direction for Iraq.”
At one point Pelosi quotes George Lakoff, who says “Be ready for questions presupposing your opponent’s frames.” Yet here is Rahm, accepting the George Bush-incubated frame that the war in Iraq was “winnable.” It’s understandable; Rahm was notoriously slow coming to terms with the notion that the electorate in 2006 wanted candidates who vigorously opposed the war. Many seats were no doubt left on the table because of his decision to recruit candidates whose position on the war was, at best, muddled (Tammy Duckworth, Diane Farrell) to the detriment of strong anti-war candidates who failed to win their seats by close margins and got virtually no DCCC support (Wulsin, Kissell, Burner, Maffei et. al.) So it’s rather curious that Rahm would once again be looked to in order to provide messaging for hopeful candidates.
Pelosi attempts to be “bipartisan” in her approach, and sincerely hopes the book will be helpful to people of all political persuasions. Though her true sentiments can’t really help but shine through — as when she tells campaign staff to “choose a good union printer.”
I can’t imagine many Republicans in this day and age who want to take advantage of that advice, but just in case there are any out there who might, it’s an excellent point.
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Hi Jane! Welcome Ms Pelosi!
Christine thanks so much for being here today. Writing a book — any book — is an act worthy of commendation. I know our Blue America candidates have found this one really helpful, thank you so much for writing it.
Aloha, Jane and Christine!
I am a future leader, but not for a long time. I will sit and read mostly.
I have a question.
Are you talking about the printer for your computer? Or a person that prints big signs?
SnarKassandra @ 4
At age 16 you’ve got quite a remarkable voice already, Cassie.
Thanks Jane. Cassandra for President 2032!
Welcome, Christine!
What are the three best and three worst traits of Representative Emanuel in regard to campaign strategy? Has he seen his eclipse, or is the notion of Rahm being a possible running mate for Senator Clinton real?
Bipartanship with today’s Republicans is naive and suicidal.
Thanks for being here, Ms. Pelosi, and here’s my question: Who did you view as your audience for the book, and how did you shape its content for that audience?
The number of people who are actually planning to run for office but also need an introduction to campaign basics seems small to me (not that I know anything about publishing economics). Is it also geared toward a general audience who might be curious what a campaign entails? Or toward true novice idealists who might not go through with a campaign, and don’t have any real political connections, but are seriously flirting with the idea?
Jane Hamsher @ 6
Hear, hear!
Ed*ard Teller @ 8
P.S. We promise not to tell Rahm what you say. :)
“the ideas of 50,000 [people] will almost always be better than the ideas of 5 people who live their entire lives inside of a campaign headquarters.”
That is the best advice I’ve seen yet…
Hello all. Thanks for having me. I’m participating in our wire-side chat from lovely San Francisco.
In response to Cassie’s question, I mean go to a union shop for your campaign printing needs. And by all means, make sure your campaign or non-profit’s tee shirts are made in America. It really makes a difference to working people that you walk your talk.
Swopa @ 10
I actually think it’s applicable to people who want to run for any kind of office (school board, city council, labor union, etc.) and also those running issue-based campaigns. It’s a very good primer for anyone wanting to enter the political process at any level, very empowering.
How can one think of bipartisanship as a positive for a Democrat when the goal of the other party is the destruction of our Constitutional Democracy. Isn’t there a line where politics as usual needs to give way for a higher purpose. As this point in our history, I won’t send money to any Democrat that talks about common ground or working together etc.
Thanks for coming Ms. Pelosi. I’m curious what you think is the most important advice that most candidates ignore, to their detriment, and why?
Steve-AR @ 16
Maybe bipartisan means getting them to do what WE want!
Sounds like a “must read” for all campaigners – if they wish to win. I hope Barack O. will read it. He sometimes annoyingly repeats republican talking points and weakens the message when he does this.
Hello, Ms Pelosi, it’s great to “see” you again — we first met last year during delegate selection in San Francisco; I was one of several swamped by the Mark Leno ticket, but you were very polite and encouraging to us outsiders. Thanks for that.
I have a few questions about your book, and the first relates to Jane’s comments about Congressman Emanuel. In your book, I don’t find a section for dealing with the national Democrats who show up or send job applicants: “We’re here from headquarters and we’re here to help you.” Is there a polite way for a grassroots candidate to decline the off-kilter messaging or wrong-headed applicant courtesy of the DCCC and still maintain good relations, either before the election or after?
Thanks for all you do — my copy of your book has lots of underlines, highlights, and post-it flags already!
Swopa @ 10
Swopa, I am holping that people who hear a call to service as volunteers, candidates, campaign leaders or non-profit workers will pick up my book. I tried to write it for a broad audience taking the lessons from the campaigns I grew up with and those I blogged about in 2006.
Seems to me there are many people – including lots of my non-political friends – who want to do more than vote but want a more meaningful role in a campaign than simply writing a check or signing a petition. So I tried to include other activities to the aspiring leader.
SnarKassandra @ 18
There are no people left in the Republican Party who would respond to that message. The bipartisan Republicans have all been purged.
Ms Pelosi, I worked for a governor candidate in Texas for a few weeks the summer after 8th grade. But they had nothing for the teenage volunteers to do. All we did was put paper in the copy machines and carry out the trash. It was really disorganized.
Do you tell the candidates how to run a volunteer office and not make the volunteers feel like they are not needed?
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Please stay on the topic of the book, thanks very much.
Campaigns are fine, voting is fine, but how do we get politicians to listen to little people once they are inside the beltway. Then you need to be a lobbyist or money bags for them to take your call.
Welcome Christine and hi, Jane.
I see bi-partisanship as a goal to be a major error. It is a principle of slow self-poisoning. We’d become the party of everything and therefore nothing.
Mixing your milk with just a little cyanide can still kill you.
The advice I think most people forget is to trust other people. As Jane quoted above, I think Tim Tagaris said it best: the ideas of 50,000 people are almost always going to be better than those of 5 people who spend their day inside a headquarters. Letting go is really hard – trusting that the people you are trying to represent have good ideas and constructive criticism is easy up front but hard once you are under attack and feeling defensive.
The best way to take that advice is to have feedback built in to everything you do, and to add in new people to your networks.
For example, I love phonebanking. But if I volunteer on a campaign and no one wants the feedback from my calls, I won’t be back. But if I am asked even about the nasty questions or the tough issues, I appreciate that the campaign is trying to do better and that the candidate actually listens.
THAT is why I only volunteered for a few weeks.
Christine Pelosi @ 27
Do you use “persuasion scripts?” Is there something you have written so that if people you call say they are undecided, there is something to refer to in order to help them make their decision in favor of your candidate?
I ask because one of the campaigns we were supporting had no such script (until the very end) and people who volunteered sort of felt unmoored and not knowing what to do when they came upon people who hadn’t made up their minds.
One issue that really concerns me as a progressive Democrat is the unfortunate tendency of Democrats to adopt and reinforce right-wing narratives in the course of hammering out internal consensus.
I understand that the Democratic Party has to be substantively diverse and inclusive, and therefore cannot impose party discipline in the way that the Republicans do. But it seems to me that there should be a way to enforce a discipline that demands without exception that Democrats will not use right-wing narratives to attack each other, including meaningful punishment for violations.
Any thoughts on how to achieve this?
The advice sounds like a games theory scenerio where both players are good and decide to trust each other in such an enviroment you can get a lot more accomplished.
The problem is that the GOP as many here have noted do not want to cooperate and liken bipartiseanship to date rape.
Any advice on how to get them to respect our bounderies and opinions without us having to resort to might is right and crush them?
I try appealing to their economic self interest but often they feel and do not think things through.
Ms. Pelosi, it’s a great honor to have you here at the lake.
As you might notice from some of the questions, a lot of folks feel we’re in an unprecedented situation, so that the normal rules of political discourse and compromise may not work and may even be counter productive. Does your advice to candidates reflect this? e.g., are there things you advise in the age of the Bush/cheney regime that you might not suggest in other periods? How has the current regime changed how Democratic candidates should respond?
As to the many comments about bipartisanship, I think it is necessary to extend your vision for your entire community. If we are talking about one nation under God with liberty and justice for all – that means all. Human rights apply to all humans.
That doesn’t mean every issue – it means an overall vision of a just society. If we can connect with our philosophical adversaries on ending the war or reversing global warming or finding a cure for cancer, I am all for it.
Ms Pelosi,
Thank you for stopping by the Lake today. I have not read your book but do you address something that has become known as “pivot and attack?” I believe our kind hostess showed how this was done to an extent in her appearance on Washington Journal yesterday. It seems to deflate the original attacker and puts the meme back in our hands for framing.
Hello Ms. Pelosi and thank you for coming.
This is a site and organization dedicated to helping Native Americans get elected. There’s an excellent into video on this page that coincides with the message in your book. If you haven’t heard of Indn’s List, it’s informative and worth the look-see.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..more-13112
siri
I haven’t read the book yet, so please forgive the ignorance of my question:
What is the role in campaigning of staking out a drop dead hard line position on some core matter of progressive values, popular and dear to one’s base voters, and fighting like hell to promote real change?
The advice to stake out bipartisan positions seems predicated on a notion that one can only sustain relationships or win respect based on calculated, tactical positioning for theatrical effect, rather than sustain relationships based on how one treats others in actual practice.
Thanks for joining us today!
Hi Christine,
Do you have anything in the book about what you may have learned from your Grandfather?
Or, Phil Burton?
And if neither one is in the book, is there a story you would want to share about either.
I remember seeing a picture of your Mom meeting President Kennedy while your Grandfather was a Congressman (I think?), which I presume was very inspiring for her
Thanks for sharing
Christine Pelosi @ 34
You seem so generous of spirit and so positive. It’s hard to imagine bareknuckle right-wing power-mongers like Delay or Blunt buying in– and you do need two to tango.
Do you have any favorite candidates for Congress this year so far? You’ve met quite a few at your trainings and I’m wondering if there are any who really stand out as great future leaders of the party and the country.
Bi-partisanship with THESE Republicans is foolish and could prove to be fatal. They have proven time after time that they are not to be trusted. We need strong voices to stand against this tide that is trying to take over our country. We will find them.
Jane, I like persuasion scripts. In the book I suggest having volunteers do the Message Box exercise after interacting with the voters.
The Message Box is a foursquare: What I Say About Me, What You Say About You, What I Say About You and What You Say About Me.
So if there has been a phone bank, sit folks down after with a Message Box and ask how they handled the undecided voters in the moment – what they said on instinct without a script. Having a feedback session may help define the content of the persuasion script.
There is no excuse for any campaign not to treat volunteers as the superstars they are.
sorry, first time posting in book salon.
INDN’sList.org
http://indnslist.org/welcome_video
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dakine01 @ 35
I don’t know the term – I do quote George Lakoff who says if you are asked a divisive question, call it out, and then go back with your message.
Also, I quote former Senator Max Cleland who said the big lesson about getting swiftboated is that you can’t let accusations hang out there – you have to call out garbage and put out your own credentials immediately.
I’m sorry, but this appears to me to be well intentioned but dangerously misguided in the current historical moment.
When I teach MBA’s about negotiation, I stress the importance of preparation and a plan, but if the plan fails to account for the actual behavior of your counterpart, you must adjust. What’s more, you cannot and should not seek win-win collaborative solutions with those playing win-lose, operating in bad faith. That is, unless you want to lose your lunch money, or if like Rahm, you really want the other side’s agenda to win.
Thank you for appearing here today, Ms. Pelosi.
I have only just now received your book, so the answer to my question may be obvious to folks here who have read it…
I assume your book goes into some detail about measuring a district and running a candidacy accordingly. I mean, of course the Representative seat in a district in Georgia isn’t the same as, say, the 12th District in California, where an entrenched Tom Lantos may only now see a viable challenge from a tremendous Progressive Democratic candidate named Jackie Speier.
And in the case of Al Wynn versus Donna Edwards in Maryland’s 4th District.
Please explain how the lure of incumbency draws the Speaker of the House to support a real “Bush-backing” incumbent like Al Wynn, and even delivers the NARAL endorsement to a man who thinks that all wisdom springs from the social policy meanderings of George Bush.
How does your book deal with the obvious hurdles that good, Progressive candidates have to contend with when running primary campaigns against party-backed “Bush-Dogs?”
Thank you again for appearing here today!
” The essence of online networking is summarized by Tagaris’s observation that “the ideas of 50,000 [people] will almost always be better than the ideas of 5 people who live their entire lives inside of a campaign headquarters.” You have to let go some control an listen to the wisdom of crowds if you are going to represent people or attract large numbers of them to your cause. “
How can we get the Democrats to listen to us more. Rahm for example is killing my desire to be a democrat with the immigration issue.
You talk about building alliances but how does pissing off Hispanics in order to try and get Bush’s 30%er voters fit in with that.
By the way the 30%ers will never go Democratic no matter how much you bend over backwards to try and please them.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the Bush.
Hi Howie, yes I am a bit of a dreamer but I do think we can find Republican voters who will respond to populist progressive messages — and a few to work on the issues such as S-CHIP (State Children’s Health Insurance) which as you know was supported by a bipartisan majority of 43 governors.
As to the dynamic future leaders, I have a special place in my heart for the Fighting Dems – our veterans running for Congress. They have shown tremendous patriotism by serving our country, and courage to challenge the commander in chief when it comes to the war, the Walter Reed fiasco, and the mistreatment of our veterans.
Locally in CA we have 2 great vets – Charlie Brown (CA-04) from the Sacramento area and Ron Shepston (CA-42) from Orange County.
There are many more questions than answers. Would you consent to doing a “John Dean” and answering all the questions eventually?
You talk about online fundraising in your book. What do you think about the online counter-fundraiser, when online activists raise money opposite an event? Darcy Burner raised over $100,000 when President Bush came to Seattle for Congressman Reichert; Tom Allen also raised that much when Joe Lieberman had a fat-cat DC event for Susan Collins.
Do you think these “events” — which have the advantage of no-overhead, national exposure, and a shared adversary — will continue to be popular in this cycle, and have you recommended them for any of your Boot Camp candidates?
Thanks again for stopping by FireDogLake today!
Welcome Christine. I have not read the book.
I have recently attended training by the DNC that I thought was excellent. One of the things I learned was that there is a huge number of phone calls and an even more huge number of mail pieces compared to the number of doors knocked on to deliver votes (10 I think).
So really, to win, we need to knock on doors. We need to recruit lots of door knockers. We need to be doing this now.
Ms. Pelosi, you have an interesting section in the book on outreach to online communities, which mentions Daily Kos and Atrios.
How well versed do you consider yourself in the varieties of online communities a candidate might take advantage of? And how would you advise a candidate who asks about reaching out to the FDL community? :)
Christine Pelosi @ 48
Locally in CA we have 2 great vets – Charlie Brown (CA-04) from the Sacramento area and Ron Shepston (CA-42) from Orange County.
We’re big supporters of Charlie and Ron too. Both have been endorsed by Blue America and we are collecting campaign contributions for both. Couldn’t resist.
I’ve had the very distinct feeling that you’re a real progressive in your politics. Dan Lipinski, an incumbent Democrat from Tennessee/Chicago, has been supportive of much of the Bush agenda and vehemently opposes a woman’s right to choice– even to the point of opposing stem cell research. He’s being challenged by a very credible city attorney, Mark Pera. Can you see the need for progressives to challenge incumbents?
(Anyone who wants book recommendations on negotiations please email me. I want to keep our conversation on topic out of gratitude for Christine joining us today. Thanks!)
Pachacutec @ 44
That makes sense to me, Pach.
Speaking of Rahm: What scares me is the rumor that he’s making a play for toppling Nancy Pelosi as Speaker by cuddling up to the freshmen congresscritters — especially since he’s spreading his “spit on the immigrants for votes” spiel just as Karl Rove and other pragmatic Republicans are dropping the immigrant-bashing.
Then again, Rahm could just be trying out for the Tom DeLay role as keeper of the keys to vaults of the corporate donors. The prospect of Huckabee — who nutty though he is, is not afraid to raise taxes and has some genuine populist impulses — may well be seen by Rahm as his big chance to show Big Business that the Democrats care less about the people than do the Republicans.
Tell me does the campaign advice work for campaigns within the organization?
So if, you are already on the school board, but now want your fellow members to eelct you chairperson?
So, if Rahm really does go ahaead an challenge you mom for the Speaker’s slot (as rumor has it), woud the lessons of this book translate into the contest between Rahm and Nancy?
On compromise:
Compromising on details is very natural and expected in any negotiation. But take special care to never compromise your principles.
An example: A senseless war causing mass death and destruction based on a massive fraud should be ended. The principles involved include the rights to life and liberty of our citizens — the US troops. There should be no compromise on getting them out of harm’s way.
But it would be very natural to negotiate and compromise on the details of redeployment.
TeddySanFran @ 49
TeddySanFran, unless and until we have clean money campaigns, people will unfortunately have to focus most of their time on dialing for dollars. Any online events that lift the burden of fundraising from the candidate and free him or her to spend more time connecting with people is time well spent in my view.
I would recommend them for ALL candidates (since we’re having a wire-side boot camp now, that means anyone reading this!)
Christine Pelosi @ 57
We will probably do something for Pera.
dov12348 @ 56
I agree. Very well said.
I a little bit bothered by the idea that the guest has written a book that can be used to help elect virtually anyone, regardless of whether they are a progressive, an establishment ‘liberal’, or a white supremacist. Its of a piece with the Rahm agenda — it doesn’t matter what you stand for (and feel free to not only demagogue issues, but to do so from the wrong side), all that matter is that you win.
While there are times when such cynicism is necessary, it seems to me like your book is about nothing but winning — that it really has nothing to do with achieving progress, and reflects the same kind of amoral, power-for-its-own sake approach of our congressional leadership.
Why not write a book that focuses on what progressive need to do to win, and keep winning by governing effectively, rather than take this kind of “no values” approach.
Are you familiar with the 50-State Strategy that is being promoted by the DNC?
Most of us are not candidates, but all of us are voters.
I believe it is very important for us to be going door to door now, recruiting more door knockers. The most effective means of turning out the vote is by door knocking.
Jane Hamsher @ 57
Excellent!! Lipinski makes Al Wynn look like a progressive.
Christine,
I’m late to this party….but I’ll see you this week in New York.
Thanks for all that you have done to help motivate people to get involved in the process.
There are 203,000 precincts in the US. It takes 14 door knocks to get one additional voter to the polls. I believe it takes 392 mailers to get one additional voter to the polls.
Welcome to the Lake Christine!
Looks like there are a lot of good questions but I’d love to hear your thoughts on how a candidate maintains their own local vision when faced with the influence and funds from groups like the DCCC? The proper balance seems difficult and must be frightening for new candidates.
NYBri @ 63
NYBri!
So nice to see you here.
From the sound of it, reading this book would make me want to run.
Huzzah!
bg @ 64
Face to face. The most powerful campaign tool. Definitely the gold standard.
newtonusr @ 66
Run, newtonusr, Run!
NYBri – good to see you with us.
Hope you chime in as a former new candidate and a great advisor to so many more!
NYBri @ 68
Yes. It works. And it does not cost much. We need volunteers. The thing that will make a difference is that each voter needs to receive 3 contacts leading to the election, to be sure of the turn out.
p.lukasiak @ 61
I think this is just the tip of the iceberg, p.luk. There are cookbooks that enable white supremacists to feed themselves, books with resume-building tips that enable them to get jobs, etc. It’s shocking!!
Any book with any useful advice needs to be written carefully so it only helps progressives. Either that, or they need to be placed in a “progressives-only” section of the bookstore.
bg @ 64
Interesting.
I also didn’t know that there are 10 hours of conservative talk radio offered for every one hour of progressive talk, per the book. Further:
Media consolidtion, definitely no fried of progressives.
As to the comments/questions about primaries, nearly everyone I interviewd – politicos and reporters – said primaries are tougher than general elections and intramurals in a caucus or on a board are tought still because you have a smaller universe of voters and the sure reality is that when one person wins the others’ allies will have to live with the result.
For people working on primaries my advice FWIW is remember a basic law of ethics: “if they’ll do it for you, they’ll do it to you.” If people offer you smears about your opponent be aware that if you accept these tactics you are defining yourself by them. So don’t fight with a scorched earth policy – if you get what you want – you win! – you will be serving alongside former adversaries whom you’ll now want to work with to advance your agenda.
Siun @ 70
I’ve read much of Christine’s book and she is right on.
Plus that, you won’t find a better advocate for the hard work that needs to be done in order to win, then Christine.
I wish you’d expanded on the “Rematch” section more, Ms Pelosi, especially since we have so many on the docket this year: Burner, Massa, Kissell, Maffei, Brown, Wulsin, Edwards.
Do you advise re-match candidates to stick to their previous message and supporters, or (especially as voters move against the war) to try to widen their appeal to those newly interested in overthrowing the incumbent?
My other question is: is your Boot Camp training open to all Democratic candidates and, if not, how do you choose who to invite when there’s a primary?
In my view the current message control of the congressional leadership caucus stands out as a Bright Shinny Object and ultimately highlights why the current congressional leadership is such a failure. It does not address the constitutional assault we have faced under the Bush Administration.
Do you have any advice for those like myself who are not pleased by the current form of “bipartisanship” and “message control” needing Constitutional issues addressed?
BTW I am the one who posted the Bruce Fein videos on your Facebook page.
I realize that that page is more of a marketing outlet for book and I meant nothing personal towards you.
I would like to have more dialog about activating the netroots and friends to go door to door. It really is what will win for our candidates. We have lots of time to practice in front of the primaries and to be recruiting more people to go door to door.
I know it is hard for people to think of going d-t-d. But that is what works, and we need to be good at it, and we need lots of people.
It is a pyramid scheme, in a sense. One gets another, that one gets another and that one another. All while the first person is still also recruiting.
The DNC program is great, I hope all the FDL community will contact their state Democratic Party to find out when the trainers will be working their state. And attend the training. It is excellent. Really.
bg @ 61
Yes, as a member of the DNC I am aware and supportive of the 50-state strategy. In fact the question I submitted at the Sacramento, CA DNC Chair’s Race Listening Tour in January 2005 was “What is your 449-member, 50-state strategy to unite the Democratic Party and prepare for victory?”
I work closely with my DNC colleagues and the talented staff who implement Governor Deans’s 50-state strategy because I think it helps with all the 4 Ms I write about: Managemetn, Message, Money & Mobilization.
Christine Pelosi @ 74
Christine, I couldn’t agree more. A primary is more difficult than a general. You’ll need your opponent’s supporters if you win and there is no reason poison to the water if you can help it.
john in sacramento @ 38
I would also be interested in this.
Congrats on writing so practical a book. As someone who believes the means determines the ends, it would actually be good for the remaining Republicans to read this book. It would make them more reality based.
bg – getting some friends to door knock is great for mutual support (and shared laughter when needed!) but I also think we need to make sure we have great inspiring candidates who people want to get out and help. Look at the Lamont campaign – we had firepups from across the country heading to CT to help … and I’ll bet more than a few of us would happily do the same for Donna Edwards and Darcy Burner!
Siun @ 82
My favorite part of campaigning was going door to door. Anyone care to guess what my least favorite part was?
NYBri @ 83
Opening envelopes with money in them?
Am I close?
Something to do with money, right?
“My favorite part of campaigning was going door to door. Anyone care to guess what my least favorite part was?”
Poll-watching?
TeddySanFran @ 83
close indeed….
PhysioProf @ 84
Asking for money.
I also think that getting better candidates is connected to having a state party chair who is really committed to recruiting and supporting good candidates.
It took two years, but in NM, we drove out a bunch of crony crooked creeps who had done nothing to further the Democratic Party for about 15 years. We now have a great chair, and I think it was in part that we prepared the ground both for him to run and for him to win.
We are rebuilding the party from the ground up. Our new chair has opened the door for some really great candidates to take on races in which the Democrats formerly did not even have candidates.
I think people need to really get active with their state parties. It has made a huge difference in NM. Look at what is happening here now.
Scarecrow @ 86
BINGO
Christine – do you see a shift in candidates now that there is a base like the netroots and PACs like our Blue America PAC to support outsiders?
Hi Christine,
Thank you for participating in today’s FDL book salon. In researching for your book, did you come across anything about the training offered by the Wellstone Action Network?
http://www.wellstone.org/
- Tom
Siun @ 89
Great question, siun.
:-P
What can I tell you? I’d rather read a book that tells us how to beat Al Wynn in the face of the Speaker’s Incumbent’s Protection Racket rather than a book that Al Wynn can use to maintain power. And I think there should be something special about progressive politics; that progressive candidates run campaigns that reflect progressive values — and that emphasize honesty rather than “a promise them anything, but compromise you’re principles because ‘bipartisan’ is where the corporate cash is” approach.
Things Come Undone @ 46
You talk about building alliances but how does pissing off Hispanics in order to try and get Bush’s 30%er voters fit in with that.
By the way the 30%ers will never go Democratic no matter how much you bend over backwards to try and please them.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the Bush.
My experience informs me that the Latino and Hispanic community is – as implied by your last comment – not a monolith and should not be treated as such.
A couple of thoughts here:
Your MANAGEMENT should include a community inventory that involves hispanic and latino opinion leaders, community activists and political and philanthropic officials in their communities as well as leadership teams that are as diverse as your constituency.
YOur MESSAGE should include – not exclude – a vision for all the people in your community and your plan should fund outreach in spanish language materials, on radio and television, and in community weeklies.
From the perspective of this Californian, the beauty is in the mix. Our progressive caucus and state party are hosting a town hall meeting on Immigration at the next state convention – I encourage others to do the same.
I’m late to the chat, but want to say thanks, Christine, for coming.
I want to pick up on the bipartisan issue above. As I see it, there’s a big difference between reaching out to GOP voter and reaching out to a GOP member of Congress or Executive Branch official. Should candidates reach out to more than just the constituents that belong to their base? Absolutely. In fact, this gives the progressive winners more leverage to push for progressive issues.
But when it comes to negotiating with GOP leaders, their past negotiating behavior does not give me confidence that negotiations based on “good faith” are worth much. “Reaching across the aisle” does little to reach out to GOP voters, and seems only to get progressive values and positions watered down and frittered away.
If I’m going to lose anyway, I’d rather lose and keep my integrity than lose and give up my values as well. But by holding firm, even in defeat, I embolden those who follow to fight the next battle.
TomR @ 91
I would also be interested in that.
Peterr @ 93
Well said!!
Thank you for your posting here. Your comments and advice on approaching primaries is spot on and much needed here in Oregon right now. I will be sharing your words with a bunch of folks in the opposing camps.
Well, primaries become kinda necessary when, say, your father hands his seat to you or a politcal machine hands you your seat for your work to deliver NAFTA, to name a couple of examples.
All this concern about long term comity makes me wonder where the campaign advice comes in, ever, to fight for something like it really matters. But that gets to my first question above.
We also go over the fact in the negotiations course that compromise is never the right primary negotiating strategy, but split the difference approaches have their place when the stakes are not very high and they help to close a deal or process.
But the fetishization of compromise in DC seems to reflect to me a povrty of belief that ideas and policies matter as mopre than tools to maniplulate for reelection.
Alice @ 80
Hello Alice and John, thanks for your comments and questions.
I quote my grandfather Thomas D’Alesandro, Jr. in the book – he always said that in politics “you have to throw a punch and take a punch.” We are talking about the power to make choices in people’s everyday lives – that is a huge grant of trust that will not be won without a tough fight. So I encourage people to follow his advice and hang in there when things get tough, and to engage your supporters to back you up. That’s the direct quote. But most of what I know is in my political DNA from my grandparents – the certainty that public service is a noble calling.
As for the late, great SF Congressmembers Phil and Sala Burton, they taught me to see the people behind the numbers – whether precinct reports or government statistics. Every time I came back to Phil’s campaign HQ or Sala’s office, they asked me what their constituents were saying – they always wanted to know what was going on with people and how Congressional happenings affected their lives.
Christine Pelosi — Do you believe that the blogs were instrumental in the 2006 Democratic revival?
To what extent do you think they’ve changed the face of political activism?
Chris Bowers has posted an interesting look at ‘bi-partisan”
His conclusion is:
It is also worth asking Democrats who they will be bi-partisan with, given that no Republicans ever even promise to be bipartisan. Clearly, there is no bi-partisanship when it comes to the language of bi-partisanship.
openleft
NYBri @ 88
Dailing for dollars make root cananl w/o anesthsia look like fun
NYBri @ 91
Agreed, and hello NYBri. I think that the more people who get involved with politics the more wholesome the process and the stronger our democracy. This will be the third nationwide election inwhich the Internet will play a substantial role, and I think we’re all working our way online. The real question for me is: where are the boots on the ground? Does online communication lead to real-time volunteering?
So far I’d observe that online networking helps anyone who does it – incumbents, challengers, and incumbents who run like challengers (which should be everyone since public office is a grant of power that must be earned every term). It is probably most helpful to younger candidates since Gen-X and Gen-Y grew up on computers and those who are more tech-savvy.
It allows candidates to connect with people they never could have met in person, and encourages asymmetrical rather than top-dowm organizing. I personally find that invigorating and hope candidates do too.
Christine, as a practical matter, how does a progressive criticize someone like Rahm Emanuel, while still adhering to your “don’t boo the home team” rule?
Let me put my own answer out there first.
I’m a Cub fan myself, and thus I must take issue with your rule. Booing the home team has a long and justified heritage at the corner of Waveland and Sheffield. In both baseball and politics, there are times when that is the only reasonable response to reality.
Just want to say how much I agree with your advice concerning present opponents being tomorrow’s friends, and not just in primaries.
I once met a union organizer who told me he ran all of his drives so that years afterwards he could go back to those little towns and have dinner with anyone. He worked both for for the UFCW on the eastern shore in chicken plants and also for ACTWU on the JP Stephens campaign. It is important to know that you have to live with people aftwards.
Even in South Africa and Eastern Europe, former political prisoners have to find a way to live with their former torturers (although admittedly not as personal buddies.)
Life goes on, no matter how fierce the contest.
Thanks very much for being here Christine.
The information about the effectiveness of face to face, door to door campaigning for your candidate leads me to the observation that this involvement was something which I saw in unprecendented numbers in ‘06 but which is in danger of being lost in ‘08 because the committed activists who did so much of this legwork perceive that they are now being marginalized and ignored by the candidates whom they helped to elect. How do you respond to this phenomenon?
Peterr @ 106
Particularly, when the home team keeps dropping easy pop up fly balls, such as; Inherent Contempt, Impeachment, Oversight, Iraq Blank Checks, etal… 8-(
Bi-partisanship, sure, that will stop the Bushies criminal wars. (A new estimate says 1.2 million deaths in Iraq.)
I think our difficulty with the concept of “bipartisanship” is based on too much experience seeing “bipartisan” mean “accept the republican position” in practice. And my sense – and I think I share this with many firepups – is that not only are those positions wrong but they are losing so we fear that we will lose in ‘08 without candidates who stand tall against those policiies.
Thanks for your answer Christine about online organizing. One thing we’re very proud of at FDL is the enthusiasm and get out there and do it nature of this online community. Our readers were awesome in ‘06 and can be again in ‘08 with good progressives to work to elect.
Hard-refresh, CTuttle…
Pachacutec @ 98
Hm. I agree that you have to stand for something or you might as well stay home – agreeing to reach across the aisle to fund a cure for cancer is an idea that matters no matter who supports it. And sometimes there is no course of action but to fight because compromise is impossible: i.e. you fund stem cell research or you don’t; you insure 10 million healthy kids or you don’t.
In my book, I make it clear that you have to define yourself and be youself – you cannot be all things to all people and you have to defend yourself once you are attacked.
The Public Service Fitness Test at the end of CHapter One (online at http://www.PelosiBootCamp.com)
gets into this – are you there to DO something or to BE something? You have to articulate your vision, ideas and values on the trail and attract people to that message if you are going to win. Also, you have to walk your talk so that your message is authentic, tied to the community, and validated by experts and allies.
Your comm,ent goes to the classic big tent question – what makes a Democrat or Republican? Who decides? And what do you do with all those Independent voters (decline to state in CA) who are progressives yet inaffiliated?
Thanks for joining us today, Christine! Hope you’ll stop by again, maybe for a BlueAmerica candidate discussion sometime after the first of the year. They are on Saturdays at 11am pacific; Howie Klein throws a great get-together, where candidates get all kinds of questions, as you might now be able to imagine!
Thanks again.
“Your MANAGEMENT should include a community inventory that involves hispanic and latino opinion leaders, community activists and political and philanthropic officials in their communities as well as leadership teams that are as diverse as your constituency.
YOur MESSAGE should include – not exclude – a vision for all the people in your community and your plan should fund outreach in spanish language materials, on radio and television, and in community weeklies.” Maybe you should send Rahm a copy of your book.
Ian has a new thread upstairs!
New Thread…
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..t/#respond
JML @ 106
Not sure it is a phenomenon yet – and hope it won’t be! I’d encourage folks to get in touch with the people you helped elect and see what issue work you can do together – stopping the war, promoting net neutrality, engaging supporters to interact with the media, etc.
Christine Pelosi @ 78
This is really great. I like how you think.
I think it’s important to reach out to the people in predominately “red areas” to let them know that they are not alone. You have no idea how many people told me, “how great it was that we were out there and that by us being there they felt that they weren’t the only ones,” when we registered people to vote in front of grocery stores and malls in 2004 and 2006, especially in the the Third CD where that odious Dan Lungren won.
PS About the 50 state strategy — maybe you and/or your Mom could have a talk with the muckety-mucks in the CDP and try to convince them to implement the 53 county strategy in Ca.
PPS I was also one of the hundreds of Dems at the DNC listening tour at the Radisson in 2005.
Peterr @ 104
I’m a Giants fan – not as long suffering as the Cubbies to be sure – but I was born well after 1954 so I thirst for a World Series and can understand why the boobirsds come out at our park.
Nevertheless, I try to remember the words of Brad Martin, former Montana Democratic Party Executive Director and now at the DNC (quoted right after Reagan’s 11th Commandment in my book): “When we fight each other and lose, other people pay the price of our divisions.”
Primaries are hard but the generals go alot better when there is a path to unity.
Christine, thank you so much for being here today, and for all the energy you put into getting progressives elected. We really appreciate all you do. And thanks for the book, it will serve many a campaign well, I am sure.
Christine Pelosi @ 118
So let’s take it back to that practical question: how does someone criticize a leader of their own party?
Ms. Pelosi – It’s no easy chore to come in here and stick around this long. Thank you very much for staying.
Christine Pelosi @ 116
I’m truly sorry Christine but your response is a perfect example of my point. We have attempted in many different ways to engage our representatives and the leadership on each and every one of this issues and have been roundly ignored with regard to any important decision making. For the most obvious example 70% of the American public (how’s that for bi-partisan?) thinks there should be impeachment investigations yet we are told unaccountably that impeachment is “off the table.”
But thank you for continuing to respond to our questions. The disillusionment which will lead to lack of active participation is very real. That you won’t believe this displays your lack of listening to the American grassroots.
Christine- as I recall, you did a film on the 2000 Bush campaign and ended up liking Bush a lot. How do you feel about him at a personal level after seven years. Does it seem as if you met the real guy?
Alice @ 95
I did not interview the Wellstone trainers but I admire their work very much. Paul Wellstone was an inspiration for one of the Message Box examples I use in the book.
A bit of background: over 15 years ago, my mom, Nancy Pelosi, went with Lindy Boggs, Barbara Boxer, and some other COngresswomen to the Senate floor to watch the Civil Rights Act Amendments debate. A Senator rudely shushed them and tried to expel them – even though the House and Senate have mutual bicameral Floor privileges meaning that any member of one chamber can go onto the floor of the other. The Congresswomen eventually got to stay, but the incident was appalling. Boxer wrote about it in her book “Strangers in the Senate” titled after the way they were treated. My mom spoke publicly about the unbecoming conduct of the rude Senator, whose opponent was … Paul Wellstone. Needless to say, my mom and many others worked enthusiastically for his election.
In Paul Wellstone’s last campaign, he used a Message Box where he defined himself as a populist and his opponent called himself a diplomet. Essentially, Paul’s argument was I am a Populist, he is a diplomat, he says I fight too much but I say sometimes you need a fighter on your side to stand up for what’s right. (see the populist vs. diplomet example in chapter 4 of Campaign Boot Camp).
rwcole @ 123
You are thinking of Christine’s sister Alex.
Teddy—-Oops, thanks.
JML @ 122
Well that was pretty harsh – I said I wasn’t sure it was a phenomenon yet and hoped it wouldn’t be (we are not even in 2008 yet) and you say that shows a lack of listening to the grassroots. I strongly disagree with your accusation. Each and every issue? That also seems a bit of a stretch – just went on a listening tour in CA for the Platform COmmittee and people came out to discuss a great frustration about the war along with great pride in raising the minimum wage and fighting for health care via S-CHIP.
Not sure which candidates were elected on a pro-impeachment platform who are now ignoring their volunteers who elected them so but I am happy to be educated.
Going into 2008 – I would reiterate my advice – go to the folks you helped elect and promote your shared agenda. Right now, Democrats are fighting for health care and veterans rights and oversight (the Blackwater investigation being one among many) and an energy bill and an end to the war. It many not be all you want but it isn’t nothing. It’s discouraging to not see the progres swe want, yet it’s up to us to keep pushing.
Peterr @ 120
My take on this question would be to try to depersonalize the issue from the person, but make sure that person is hearing your take on the issue at hand. So, focus on the challenge/issue the leader’s position creates for the party and see if the leader will address it. Also, watch out for manipulation tactics in case they pop into the leader’s answer. (Read “In Sheep’s Clothing: Understanding and Dealing with Manipulative People” by Dr. George K. Simon to get familiar with the full range of tactics).
I’m not a fan of Reagan’s 11th Commandment. The issue here is finding the right balance between behaving submissively and aggressively, both of which are not all that mentally healthy. The midpoint between these extremes is behaving assertively, where you assert your needs while behaving respectfully toward the other person, no matter how misguided they may appear.
- Tom
ps. Manipulation, BTW, is a form of covert-aggressive behavior and IMHO, runs rampant throughout our political system. The Republicans have proven to be very effective at it, but is quite mentally unhealthy behavior.
I see that most folks have moved upstairs so I’ll sign off for today – but first thank you to everyone who came. Jane it was an honor to be here. All – thanks for your questions, comments, and observations. I had a great time and hope to see you all out on the trail and on my Facebook site for Pelosi Boot Camp.
All the best, Christine
Thanks Christine for spending time with us today and for the dialogue!
Thanks, Christine, for coming by the ‘Lake!
(And TomR, I generally agree — but I was hoping to hear something from Christine about it, as this was her rule.)
Christine — I intended no harshness. Shall I re-phrase and simply say that most of us thought that we were voting in ‘06 for the restoration of checks and balances and our constitutional guarantees like habeas corpus which have been lawlessly flouted by the present administration. We have yet to see this happen leading us to conclude that the current congress which we helped to elect is derelict in it’s responsibilty to uphold the constitution. This is truly discouraging.
You have been a gracious and exceptionally responsive guest and I appreciate your taking the time to answer all our concerns.
Frank33 @ 108
bi-partisanship, sure, that will stop the bushies criminal wars. a new estimate is $3.4 TRILLION U.S. Dollars will be required to pay off all the foreign investment loans bush got to pay for his illegal and unjustified invasion, occcupation and war crimes based on a pack of lies. If that isn’t treason, I don’t know what is! And what pray tell is the sentence for treason committed during a time of war (GWOT)? I think you can figure out the rest.
JML @ 132
I signed off but am back to address the last couple of comments. Do appreciate your rephrase. I do see a restorative justice agenda – am heartened to see new members are pushing for Miers to be held in contempt and fighting telecom immunity in the FISA bill as well as the oversight hearings by Henry Waxman and my old boss John F. Tierney. Of course we want more and am committed to building whatever coalition is necessary to end this war and bring our troops home safely, honorably & soon.
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 133
Many Republicans agree that our military servicemembers have done all they’ve been asked to do and now must come home safely, honorably & soon. Please see my earlier responses for specifics on bipartisanship – my point is we can’t have a mere 51% position (like the current administration) – rather, we need a 60% solution, and I believe it’s there to be organized.
Thank you Christine.
Peterr @ 131
Last one, then I’m off. I think the way to disagree with a party leader is with respect based upon the principles of the party. Focus on the issues, not the personalities, and offer a constructive alternative. It has been my observation that making it about the person not the policies doesn’t empower a change in the policies.
I’ll end on this note about the war: if we demonize everyone who supported the war (a majority of the American people at one time by the same pollsters who report significant opposition now), we are missing the opportunity to make common cause with them to end it now.
Thanks for the comments and for all you do.
Christine
If the home team doesn’t want to be booed, they ought to stop deliberately kicking the ball through their own goalposts to score for the other team. Yes I know the TV cameras and Tim Russert love it when they do that. But they’re supposed to be scoring for us, not for Timmeh and the other TV gasbags.
Thank you for being here today Ms. Pelosi. We would welcome your book tour including the central coast that serves Monterey, Pacific Grove, Carmel & Pebble Beach.
While you never answered my question, I appreciate your time and effort being here.
JML Nails it at 122.
Steve-AR @ 16
It isn’t necessarily bipartisanship which we need. It’s uniting Americans in many fundamental ways: North & South need to stop hating one another; White & Black need to stop hating one another; Rich & Poor need to accomodate one another.
We have imbalances in America and many are sociological, though some are technological. For example, if we have nearly full employment and yet we need to rev up our production to meet the coming inflation, then we need an immigration policy which brings in more workers (of various types). If people should be allowed greater capital wealth, then they need a way to save without Wall Street, banks or other predators finding ways to steal it. If American corporations want to go off-shore to do business, then we need to find a way to ensure our tax base and continue production growth here in the country.
There are many things which need to be done to unbind America from kinks in the system and imbalances which prevent us from living better lives more productively with less damage to the environment.
Things Come Undone @ 31
If they want to fight it out, then we fight it out.
If they want to compromise, then we consider it.
If they want to cooperate, then we do our best to accomodate, but without violating our own principles.
If they want to just say “No”, then we have to bash ‘em politically and beat ‘em at the polls.
These aren’t complicated or amazing, just rules of a civil society.
I’d suggest they stop tazing people to death because there is also a rule for that: if they kill us we have to kill them in self defense. It’s brutal, nasty and horrific to consider, but it is also the basest politics which can become inevitable despite efforts of those, like Obama, who (IMO) only want to cave while appearing to govern.
Peaceful methods should be preferred by anybody who has feelings and that is why governments arose and why eventually our Modern Democracy arose. It’s only the Bushies who seem to think they’re insulated from retribution or consequences.
Democrats are all in favor of peaceful methods, but like all humans, will resort to whatever the circumstances demand.
Just dropping in.
“I think the way to disagree with a party leader is with respect based upon the principles of the party. Focus on the issues, not the personalities, and offer a constructive alternative. It has been my observation that making it about the person not the policies doesn’t empower a change in the policies.
I’ll end on this note about the war: if we demonize everyone who supported the war (a majority of the American people at one time by the same pollsters who report significant opposition now), we are missing the opportunity to make common cause with them to end it now.”
Around here anyway, that’s all we’ve been doing. Waiting patiently and trusting our Dem leaders to do something. This was just one of many comments about “bipartisanship” and “reaching across the aisle” being the key for us Democrats to bring about change.
Doing everything within my power to remain calm, but that’s nonsense!
Seriously, do ThoseThatKnowBetter ever think about the thousands of babies, toddlers, pregnant mothers, and everyone else buried in piles of rubble, bleeding to death and feeling the last breaths of their children leave their tiny bodies, before their own eyes close forever? Do these DeeCee elites think about those last moments of these people’s lives when they’re lecturing people on “civil discourse,” and making compromises with people who NEVER compromise, ever?!?!?
All because of bombs made and delivered by our tax dollars, and in our names as Americans, and completely unecessarily.
As I put my 1 and 3 year-olds to sleep tonight, I’m reminded why it is essential those of us, who can see beyond our political playing fields, fight like Hell to stop this madness. I’m happy we have a strong military to DEFEND us. When our selected leaders decide to invade countries which obviously posed no threat to us, killing hundreds of thousands in the process, we have to stop the madmen WITH EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER. Dems have had enough control to significantly disrupt the corrupt machine for almost a year. Too bad they decided they had to play nice instead. 2007 is already the deadliest year of our Iraq Occupation. Our Dem leadership could have reduced those numbers dramatically, and don’t give me any of that 60 votes nonsense!!! There’s plenty they could do. If you need ideas, stop by here again. Many here are quite well-versed in the Constitution and the “ways of Washington.”
Ms. Pelosi, drastic times call for drastic measures. These are drastic times. Let me introduce you to someone who understood this very well, Steve Gilliard.
Here’s a little lesson for you…”We Fight Back.”