Mario Cuomo gave a speech on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving to 2,000 of the most influential lawyers in NYC. The program didn't give a title for the speech, but Gov. Cuomo repeatedly invoked, as if she were some kind of Catholic saint, "Our Lady of the Law."
He called out "power seeking presidents" who engage in "efforts to throw off constitutional restraints" through various means. He decried in particular
"signing statements," "secret White House task forces," and the "unprecedented politicization of the Department of Justice."
But of all the overreaching by presidents, the one that came under Gov. Cuomo's harshest criticism was
"the seizing by presidents of the power to declare war."
Cuomo said flat out that the AUMF "violates the Constitution." He pointed out that under our Constitution the Congress' power to declare war is non-delegable.
It was one of those smack yourself on the forehead moments. It's so obvious now that he has said it. He went into some history involving litigation about the Viet Nam War and pointed out that SCOTUS has never ruled one way or the other whether or not the Korean police action, Viet Nam, Kosovo, etc., etc., etc. are legal or not. SCOTUS has neither condemned nor approved of the president engaging in war absent a Congressional declaration of war.
I lost count of how many times he used the word Monarch in his speech---but it was a lot. He said,
"There is a time to be silent and a time to speak. This is the time for lawyers to speak."
Later, the following line caused quite a few members of the audience to interrupt the speech with spontaneous applause when he made reference to a march by lawyers that had taken place in NYC the previous week to express solidarity with the lawyers protesting in Pakistan:
"If US lawyers are marching in the streets in support of the rule of law in Pakistan, why aren't we marching in support of the rule of law here?"
(meaning in support of the rule of law in the US)
He said that Our Lady of the Law had endured for 200 years because we had upheld her, but now a timid Congress was throwing away the Constitution with both hands and that
"We have no heroes. We are not even sure what we want to make of ourselves as a nation."
which I took to mean that he thought somehow we, as a nation, were failing to effectively communicate to Congress what our vision for ourselves as a nation might be. Not that we aren't trying, heaven knows, but it is obvious that our message is not getting through to them. Cuomo said we have to make them understand that we are after
"something sweeter than the taste of partisan victory"
The clear message was that he fully expected that it was the obligation of lawyers everywhere to speak up in support of the Rule of Law or as he persisted in calling it "Our Lady of the Law." That he expected us to take to the streets, to the OpEd pages, the airwaves, and to every other medium available to us (I hope blogs count).
He even at one point mentioned litigation that had occurred apparently challenging the legality of the Viet Nam war. Unfortunately, he never mentioned the name of the case, though it was before a Judge Judd [sp?] and there was some intervention involving Justice Douglas. If anybody has clue what that refers to, I'd like to know. There may be some instruction in the history of that case that we can learn from. [Edit: Holtzman v. Schlesinger, 414 U.S. 1304 (1973)]
You know early in his speech, he went into how his grocery store owning immigrant parents were soooo impressed when he became a lawyer. And how they never wanted him to be "a crooked politician," they wanted him to be a judge.
There is some prestige and deference that people throw your way just because you've got that sheepskin. However, that honor comes with responsibility. Shakespeare's famous "first let's kill all the lawyers" line was uttered by a character who wants to end the rule of law.
That character believes that lawyers are more than machine operators who know how to manipulate the cogs and levers of the law. We are meant to be its guardians and protectors as well. So, if you want to end the rule of law, you must first silence the lawyers.
His final call to action was this:
"If not the lawyers, then who? If not now, when?"
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Thank you for this, loosehead.
Justice!
lhp!
Fitz!
Now more than ever.
(Someone should remind KO that the investigation is not closed.)
single digits even after reading the post in it’s entirety
good for Cuomo for speaking up… I’d love to stay, but I gotta go and see if I can find some little petitioners trying to hide the Dirty Tricks initiative on their rubber-banded little clipboards.
LHP, thanks for the post on Cuomo’s speech. At what time does the population stop taking to the malls & start taking to the streets to defend our freedoms. It is not Al Q taking away our liberty, it is our own government & all those representing us in Congress who are no longer an opposition party.
lhp! Good Morning! Great post!!
Yup, we need a little more law and a lot less Shrub.
mack @ 4
The other night, was it Monday or Tuesday? K specifically pointed out that PatFitz had never closed the investigation.
However, do you really believe that Scotty put something in his book that he DIDN’T say in the GJ?
Do we think Scotty is crazy enough to lay his ownself open to an obstruction charge?
I don’t
looseheadprop, it is a rare moment that a read in the middle of the day will send shivers through my skin
I am moved more then usual by your post today…will go to re read to relive
very very nice
Good luck, OC!
Diane @ 1
And I got the Digg zed!
Diane @ 7
The irony is–last week a bunch of US lawyers did take to the streets of Manhattan and march.
But they were marching in solidarity with the Pakistani lawyers, not in support of the rule of law here in the US.
I have heard federal judges give impassioned pleas about how the judicary is under assault –IN THIS COUNTRY.
Frankly, though not perfect or perfectly consistent,
IMHO the judicial branch thus far has stayed closest to its constitutional mission and is the only reason we have not completely descended into non hereditary monarchy.
lhp - you give me hope. thank you.
do you know if there is an audio recording of that speech? i’d love to give it a listen for inspiration.
Anyone have a link for making reservations in Austin for yearlykos?
perris @ 10
Although I understand why Cuomo chose this audience for his speech–if you’ve got the partners of all the big law firms and the heads of all the big General Counsel’s offices all in one room together–that’s probably your best shot at getting some lawyer activism
But in terms of news coerage, it’s a bust. Everybody is shopping, and reporters ain’t working. So, I fear this may not get the notice it should.
looseheadprop @ 13
yep. it’s been lawyers and judges (even jag lawyers) who have, at least at times, fought back at great professional risk. can any other gov institution can make the same claim?
Seconded.
selise @ 14
I have no clue. There were some press there (like American Lawyer–oh, and Chris Cuomo from ABC, but he was there as son not reporter)
But I didn’t see anyone with mike ooms, so unless a recording was made off the podium mike…
eCAHNomics @ 15
new name is netroots nation, here’s a dkos posting on it.
Boo Radley @ 18
You should both DiggIt then so that it can be shared with a wider audience.
Is there a link to a print version of Cuomo’s speech?
Wow LHP!! Spotlight!!!
Good for Cuomo. Nice to see someone visibly hauling out the old terms for these things: “Monarch”. Not “Unitary Executive”. Not any other obfuscatory claptrap. Just plain ol’ “Monarch”: all powers and rights descend from “moi”.
Now if someone important will just point out the absence of daylight between “Decider” and “Dictator”.
And, yes, I’d love to see some lawyers scuffing up their shoes out on the streets.
dakine01 @ 21
Done.
dakine01 @ 21
Done
Mario Cuomo can be one of the most fiery, inspirational speakers in the USA. It has been a while since I’ve heard him give a speech like the one lhp describes. Hopefully, somebody like C-SPAN will pick it up.
selise @ 20
Thanks. I get a message that dailykos is undergoing maintenance! I’ll try a little later.
selise @ 17
Actually, yes. There’s my personal favorite Bunny Greenhouse, who was a procurement officer.
There’s a number of FBI and CIA types–some of whom get, ahem, an occasional mention on this blog. There are NASA and National Institute of Health scientists.
Our government wasn’t broken. Our government was working fine and had dedicated career professionals who worked side by side for years, never knowing or caring about the political persuasion of their fellows, thanks to the Hatch Act.
BTW, the Hatch Act was severely weakened under Bill Clinton. One of the first orders of business for the new president and the new congress should be the full restoration of the Hatch Act and the internal regulations related to it.
It was those regulations that prevented DOJ from coming apart at the seams during Iran Contra.
LS @ 23
How to Spotlight this post far and wide.
Thanks LHP, very well said.
sid58 @ 22
Let me go check the FBC website. The staff there is off for the weekend after the Wed Lunch, so unless Cuomo gave it to them before the event, I doubt it would get posted before next week, if ever. It may end up in the next edition of Federal bar Counsel news, but that won’t be out for weeks.
Powerful LHP. Alas, part of the counter move against lawyers is to make them afraid to speak out, in fear not only of their profits from corporations but also of further vilification (DON’T see Bee Story, where one of the cartoon characters calls lawyers “blood sucking parasites” - no kiddin). This sort of thing tends to intimidate one into quietude.
What also troubles me deeply is how some of our best law schools (Chicago, Harvard among these), have faculty spewing right wing pro-torture, pro-invasion, anti-FISA, pro-Guatanamo stuff “for our own safety.” Here too I see a central theme being the popular perception of Bush (and his right wing flunkies) as part of a pro-Is**** US movement in which war (to the end)against Isl**.
Thanks LHP. I’ve always been a Cuomo fan. And his speech reminds me how bummed I was/am that he never went more national, politically.
LHP — Thanks so much for reporting on this for us. Lots to discuss, think about, and act on here for everyone.
For folks who’d like to see wider discussion on this, the Spotlight function makes it easy to send this along with a note to major media types. And Digg gets it out to a wider reading audience. I highly recommend using both!
Hi, LHP, great post! So if I get you correctly, your saying that lawyers are a sort of 5th estate. Great to have one more safety net to catch us as we fall into a great morass.
I do have some questions, though. Regarding this really interesting concept:
I am wondering if, as facsinating as this concept is, the fact that it has been allowed to stand for several generations now without any successful or valid challenge to speak of, wouldn’t cause it to be looked upon as a sort of common law, societally acceptable mores, so to speak? Could you speak to this?
looseheadprop @ 29
i was thinking about how congress has done little (nothing?) to constrain the administration - but of course you are right… there have been brave whistleblowers in other parts of gov. thank you for the reminder.
Ed*ard Teller @ 27
I didn’t notice any video cameras. Though it’s possible, based on where I was sitting, that they could have been at the very back of the ballroom, but blocked from line of vision
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lhp, I remember you talking about the protest in support of the Pakastani lawyers, very admirable effort. Sad that nothing is getting covered nationally unless it is about the presidential horserace or Brittany Spears.
I am not a lawyer, but I recently read the War Powers Act in a standard law textbook and was deeply discouraged by how the flimsy arguments against the constitutionality of the Act have long been accepted as legimitimate (Kmiec, for example, was cited). I believe (correct me if I’m wrong) the explicitly stated intent of the Act was to reiterate and restore Congress’s plainly stated warmaking powers in Article I. Yet some lazily asserted prerogatives of the executive due to vague tradition (as if monarchy and despotism weren’t long traditions) are given credence.
Regarding Justice Douglas . . .
Could it be Holtzman v. Schlesinger (414 US 1304, 1316, 1321 [1972])?
Holtzman was Rep Elizabeth Holtzman, who sued (along with some Air Force officers) to stop the US bombings of Cambodia. The district court agreed, but the appeals court stayed the ruling (allowing the bombing to continue) pending a decision at the appellate level. This being the summer, Holtzman et al. petitioned Justice Marshall to lift the stay and reinstate the ban, but he declined. They then turned to Justice Douglas, who agreed on Aug 3, 1973 to lift the stay. Four days later, Marshall reinstated the appeals court’s ruling, writing that he had been in touch with all the justices and all save Douglas agreed with Marshall’s original ruling.
Both Douglas’ original ruling and his dissent to Marshall’s order are stunning repudiations of executive over-reach and judicial timidity.
Another possible case would be Laird v. Tatum (408 US 1 [1972]), which dealt with military surveillance of civilians in the US. The court ruled that the plaintiffs lacked standing and could show no actual injury, but Douglas — ever watchful for individual liberty — dissented magnificently.
If these FISA cases and warrantless wiretapping cases ever get heard, Douglas’ dissents may end up sounding like the dissent in Plessy v. Ferguson.
Diane @ 40
There were 10 mortars lobbed into the Green Zone yesterday, and not a word about on the MSM.
Better Shakespearan scholars than I can correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the motivation for the “let’s kill all the lawyers” line was to end a rule of law that the bottom of society saw as being used by the wealthy to screw the poor and working class.
That hasn’t changed. Companies and individuals who pollute, make unsafe products and cheat their employees all have high-powered lawyers defending their sleazy behavior.
The triumph of the American rule of law was that it was available equally to every citizen, rich or poor, of whatever race, religion or ethnic group. Of course, it never did work perfectly, but it worked well and often enough to keep the ideal alive.
Bush and his cronies have no qualms about enforcing the absolute letter of the law when it suits their interests - such as forcing wounded troops to pay back their signing bonuses for not fulfilling their hitches because of their injuries.
OT..but an interesting distraction for today
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LHP!!!
Thanks for sharing this. It is something to be thankful for! Were media there? It would sure be nice if the speech got some coverage in the MSM.
Bob in HI
Ann in AZ @ 36
Were you there too?
That was exactly his argument!
He said (and this is why I want to find out about this Viet Nam era case with Judge Judd) that if we take the attitude that by inaction or custom we can change one of the most important clauses of the Constitution–remember the power to declare war thingy was one of THE MOST debated parts of the Constitution and it was the taking this power away from the executive that was (along with posse comitatus) that was supposed to be the lynchpins that would keep us from falling into a non hereditary monarchy.
Cuomo argued that if post facto acquiescence (”oh gee well we’ve done it ten times now, so this must now be the way it is”) can trump the clear language of the Constitution
then in one fell swoop we reduce the Constitution to a mere set of suggestions
That might be an exact quote. I did it from memeory, did not write that one down
Shakespeare was about as far from a revolutionary as one can get- he always supported the standing “order”. If he had revolutionary rhetoric in his plays- it was put in the mouth of a fool, a man of pure evil, or both.
Ok, enough BS.
Here’s my $500.00 for the suit. As a taxpayer, I believe I have standing. if I don’t then my son-in-law is an Iraq veteran - is that standing?
Who’s the law firm and where do I send my money? ACLU?
What weight the governor’s words would have had if he were to have spoken them as the supreme court justice he should have been. The position was offered and rejected. He could have run for president and would have been a great one. He didn’t. He does speak well though. Always has.
LHP @47
It happens with language all the time. Misuse by the masses makes it acceptable eventually.
Scary that the same is true for the law.
moderator:
@41 I meant “I recently read the War Powers Act, with arguments pro and con, in a standard law textbook”.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 35
You know, one of the things that sometimes cheezes me off about how the MSM deals with greater blogaistan, is how often they complain that we don’t do any original reporting.
How the economics of the MSM drive things b/c they have to dig, dig, dig and that we are just parasites feeding off them.
So, maybe I can return the favor today and let some MSM feed off this little effort of original reporting. They are all free to use all my quotes. I kept my notes and will hold on to them for at least until I know if there is going to be a print or recorded version of the speech.
Anyone using these quotes, please make sure you give FDL props.
call me inexperienced, but how do I do the spotlight thing? I checked the link, but don’t know where to find lhp’s article to spotlight it.
Thanks
Bush showed his hand when describing what Musharraff has recently done was ‘not crossing the line’.
Clearly Bush has similar lines established in the US and he’s far from crossing them yet too.
He’s sprinting for them as his presidential mandate ends.
-GSD
Oh yay — I finally got my digg thing to work. Boo yah!
Chilling diary over at Kos…PNAC and the Bush Doctrine…some of the comments are amazing:
http://dailykos.com/story/2007/11/23/670/48190
Like the suggestion that we impeach the lawless leaders for crimes already admitted to, like warrantless wiretaps, and move on to restore the balance between the three branches of government suggested in the rest of the Constitution.
lhp — where was this held, and what if any coverage did the nyt give it? it sounds like a truly terrific speech.
reporters work on weds. tday, friday and saturday — every day of the week. at least they’re supposed to. if the press had been invited, i’d be surprised if no coverage emerged. the tday weekend is notorious as a black hole for news. something like this would have been glommed onto, just to fill a quarter of B2.
also, perhaps there will be increasing moomentum about a work stoppoage — something like the moratorium during vietnam. the people have to lead their elected representatives. again.
eCAHNomics @ 15
echan, here you go.
Price goes up $75 after November 30th.
LHP, what a fantastic post! What is going on with the feds trying to control New York elections. I’ve been watching for a post, but may have missed it. Thanks, LHP!
Lady Justice creates a problem in Florida.
My personal vision of Justice has two damp spots on her blindfold and a single tear running down her cheek. When will they ever learn?
GSD @ 55
I was deeply shocked at that. And no one called Bush out on this -including the Europeans as far as I can tell. Also, as has been noted here before, it is almost as if Cheney was advising Musharraff on what to do and say (a preview of things to come….).
Christy Hardin Smith @ 56
Digg important:
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If you have already input your real name, go in under the privacy section and change it and save. Gee is there a privacy theme this morning?
Click ‘7 diggs’ [or whatever #]
Click ‘who dugg or blogged it’
Then click your name
Click ’settings’
Look over on the right, to choices, click ‘About me’
Erase your real name, if you like, insert nom de plume
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Impeach!
Anybody listen to Rove rolling out Jeb???
I like what Cuomo said, but that doesn’t seem to be what is taught and/or cherished at the nation’s leading law schools now. John Yoo, for example, has a law degree from Yale and an appointment as a full professor at the University of California, Berkeley. I tend to suspect that they focus not on respect for the rule of law but on how to get around it.
looseheadprop @47:
That was exactly this layman’s impression (see @41) on reading the War Powers Act and the accompanying arguments.
LHP at 53 — I know. And I also know that the media folks use a lot of original blog reporting and rarely if ever credit for it. (Just ask emptywheel. That happens to her, and Jane and I all the time, just as one example.)
I am hopeful that American Lawyer will pick up on the speech, though. They do good reporting on stuff like this, and it ought to be right up their alley.
GSD @ 55
I don’t have the link but raw story is reporting that the president gave the go ahead for mushariff to suspend the constitution
I am telling you it is a trial balloon
edit
here’s the link
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._1123.html
Peterr @ 42
Peter, Thank you. I’m gonna read both (and their antecedents–hopefully before the weekend is out) then I’m gonna ask Coumo. If it is the Holtzman case–she’s been kicking up a little dust lately too…..
And we had that Op Ed in Times the other day from Fritz Schwartz…
I think I might get out the tin foil because –dare I hope? Is this in some way a coordianted grassroots (if you can call a bunch of elites the grass roots) uprising????
Could it be, old time Dems have decided to ignore Rahm and Steny and just do the right thing?
Is that what the “taste sweeter than partisan victory” line was all about?
Be still my beating heart! Dare I hope?
Marcy on more subversion of the 4th Amendment:
Probable Cause
by emptywheel
I can’t say I’m surprised by this news–that some courts are approving government use of cell phone GPS data without first requiring the government to demonstrate probable cause.
(snip)
link
perris @ 68
Here’s the link:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._1123.html
Looseheadprop thanks!
This is an incredibly exciting post, dare I be hopeful?
I so love this - Cuomo and lhp, who outlined this so well. I hope that, coming from Cuomo, this will get some coverage.
And yes, lawyers (and ex-lawyers) should be marching. let’s follow our Pakistan models!
Steve-AR @ 70
Is it about this (”Cellphone Tracking Powers on Request; Secret Warrants Granted Without Probable Cause”)?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....id=topnews
I forget where I found this, but since Madison wrote the Constitution and all….enjoy.
“Those who are to conduct a war cannot in the nature of things, be proper or safe judges, whether a war ought to be commenced, continued, or concluded. They are barred from the latter functions by a great principle in free government, analogous to that which separates the sword from the purse, or the power of executing from the power of enacting laws.” James Madison
Loo Hoo. @ 60
Thanks. Just completed my reservations for convention and hotel. See y’all there.
GSD @ 55
I thought Scarecrow’s post on that topic this morning was rather chilling. You know, kinda like Hugh’s list, when you see the laundry list of abuses, it really gets overwhleming.
Yet, Impeachment remains off the table
I read EG’s liveblogging of Jane’s C-Sapn appearnance earlier today and Jane said the one thing I really wanted her to say:
Impeachment is a process that begins with an investigation. You don’t decide whether or not to indict (or vote articles of Impeachment) before you have investigated to see if crimes were committed and whether you have sufficient proof.
So, when Nancy says Impeachment is off the table BEFORE the Impeachent Inquiry has been allowed to occur–she has it backwards.
LS @ 71
thanx ls
let’s just look at the facts;
the president and cheney have acquired more power then the history of planet earth
they know as a fact a republican cannot win the election in 08 unless there is “a miracle”
I don’t want to hear “they are decieving themselves, they thought the dems wouldn’t win the majority too” becuase they had a fix in but the fix wasn’t strong enough
so they know as a fact the next president is likely to be a democrat, which means it’s likely to be hillary
does anyone REALLY believe they are acquiring this power for the democrats or for hillary?
no, they are not
they have a plan to remain in power, they are tossing out trial balloons to see which one they want to go with but they are not going to give up power if they can do anything about it
and don’t forget, the more exposed they are the more brazen they become
hang on to your hats, we are in for a ride
The points that Gov Cuomo make remind me of an argument a friend has been making for 4 or 5 years. He believes that public officials in every branch and level of government have been allowed by the public to enforce only laws that they see as being in their interests rather than the public interest. When Speaker Pelosi said impeachment was off the table he was furious and said that she did not have the authority to pick which parts of the Constitution that she wanted to deal with. If she did not like a law she could work to see it changed or leave, but she could not simply say she did not want to do it. This is the comments of a retired state judge who trained new judges for years. He believes that many lawyers have joined in with the Republican crime family because they are inferior intellects, and view a judgeship as a lifetime meal ticket. He really hates them.
Thank you, lhp! The silence from Congress while our President provides more than tacit approval, nearly cheer leading, for Musharrif tossing aside Democracy of nearly 170 million people is deafening.
In a small way watching Bush Jr’s attitude with Pakistan reminds me of the time Bush Senior encouraged Saddam to attack Kuwait …and shortly there after used those actions as an excuse to invade/ bomb the hell out of a lot of innocent people.
Whatever the motives, the US people and Congress don’t seem to be bothered at all, nor mind the fact we are both funding and encouraging this fascist action in Pakistan. And now the US military is considering enlisting Pakistani tribal leaders in the so called fight with Al Qaeda. Let’s just arm and pay the Taliban to kill more of our troops while they pretend to fight each other and quite posibly initiate civil war within Pakistan.
I suspect Cheney and Bush are just beginning here.
Here’s hoping the lawyers and Cuomo are just beginning to stand up as well.
dmg @ 59
The speech was made at the annual Federal Bar Counsel Thanksgiving Lunch, held at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in NYC. I believe there were some press there (most likely “American Lawyer” and the “New York Law Journal”, as well as ABC’s Chris Cuomo, but I think he was there in his capacity as son, not as a reporter)
It was a sold out event, the whole ballroom was packed and three levels of balcony seating as well. It was so tightly packed that in order for a person to get up from the table to go to the rest room-everyone from that side of their own table and the adjoining table had to get up and move chairs.
I’m surprised the fire Dept didn’t shut us down. Yet the food was still good!
LHP,
Your posts are always so informative and spot-on. Glad you were there to report on this. I wish Cuomo would be more activist because he is a natural leader.
perris @78:
I’m repeating myself, but this demands some rebuttal. You talk as if we invented the military junta. Musharraf, and Pakistan generally, have been very good at them on their own for some time now. Others can correct me if I’m wrong, but our preferred vision for Pakistan was always an oligarchy headed by a “democrat”, Bhutto.
I think Bush’s quote indicates genuine hostility to democracy, but the administration’s politics of supporting Musharraf strikes me as one of weakness, if not outright naivete. The Pakistani military’s interests are at cross purposes with our administration’s: see “strategic depth”, “Afghanistan”.
looseheadprop @ 53
looseheadprop, At the conference at Boston College, No News is Bad News, the accepted paradigm was that newspapers are supporting fewer and fewer reporters in the field. They called this the biggest crisis facing news today. (I think this included TV, as well. When the video comes out to the conference, I will link to it.)
When bloggers were brought up, those in larger publications talked about the need for larger publications to actually do newsworthy stories. This idea, that newsworthy stories must come from large organizations with lots of lawyers, went unchallenged. They said that large organizations which could handle lawsuits of millions of dollars were necessary to do great reporting.
They then referred to do it yourself journalists when talking of bloggers. They talked of the need for training in journalism. They talked of the need for seasoned editors.
All of this went unchallenged.
Yet here is a perfectly important story being brought to thousands of readers without the need for all that.
hmmmmm
Loo Hoo. @ 60
Sadly for me, I had to turn down an opportunity to work on the brief in opposition (too much work to do in my practice–I have 4 huge briefs of my own due by the end of December–what a X-mas killer),
But intrepid lawyers are working on the oppositions and there MIGHT be either an intervenor brief or a shot at an Amici brief.
Neither will be written by me–and it is KILLING me.
looseheadprop @ 69
If any “old time Dem” could call these two out, it’d be Cuomo. Best of all, he’d do it with a rhetorical style that would be gold in the YouTube era of politics. Steny and Rahm would be smarting from the tonguelashing and secretly jealous of it, all at the same time.
“So, when Nancy says Impeachment is off the table BEFORE the Impeachemtn Inquiry has bee allowed to occur–she has it backwards.”
Nancy’s not thinking like someone acquainted with the law or the Constitution. For her “impeachment” is a nebulous, subjective political concept, like “the economy”.
egregious @ 63
dugg!
Scary, isn’t it! No, I not only wasn’t there, IANAL even, but the first thing I thought of as I was reading this post was the term, “settled law.”
I wonder how far back in history did Congress begin to relinquish it’s power to declare war. I’m thinking Teddy Roosevelt? Was his war declared by Congress? How about Granada? The War of 1812? We’ve had undeclared wars and police action since I was a child. That’s quite a long time. I must be not far behind Mario Cuomo in age.
This is certainly an avenue worth exploring, though. I can’t figure out why this hasn’t already occurred to all those lawyers that have been sent to Congress? Or why it wasn’t pursued by some lawyers when hundreds of thousands of people were in the streets protesting Vietnam.
That’s exactly what I was thinking when the Pakistani lawyers demonstrated. Let’s import some of that here.
Yes, if Congress won’t put everything “on hold” till we get the Rule of Law back, then maybe lawyers can do that.
No more legal work till the Rule of Law is restored.
If lawyers really think about it, how can they possibly work if the law has become meaningless????
Ed*ard Teller @ 27
Mario Cuomo is a great speaker and, not only that, a great telly talker, too. On telly, he’s as good as Barney Frank, which is why neither he nor Frank make telly appearances anymore. The corporate fascisti have declared them Persona No