late-late zed?

Hello again, Jane!

Jane, you’re working hard these days! Trade off for some vacation at Christmastime?

Jane! You’re awesome!

Avengers. wow.

At eighteen I was living in a “commune”. An old 7 bedroom house near the college. Fond memories from a time when the world seemed so simple. I remember telling my dad that if everyone just smoked pot, there would be no wars! Guess W proved me wrong many times over…

Did I get my ‘f’ back?

hello again.

at 18 I was watching Footloose and singing “Eye of the Tiger”

OT

new record. 138 blog posts and news items in the past 24 hrs. I think I am addicted.

that bass player has really long arms. look how low his bass is hanging.

At 18 I was an old married woman.

Loo Hoo. @ 6

At eighteen I was living in a “commune”. An old 7 bedroom house near the college. Fond memories from a time when the world seemed so simple. I remember telling my dad that if everyone just smoked pot, there would be no wars! Guess W proved me wrong many times over…

Take heart, Loo Hoo. The pot wasn’t Chimpy’s problem. They developed at birth and no amount of excellent smoke would have turned him.

Hmm…at 18, I was just about done with my first quarter at university. It wasn’t until the next year I figured out I could take classes starting later and actually sleep in. OK, so I was a late bloomer ;-)

I was graduating from high school and trying to figure out what would happen next. Also, voting for George McGovern for president.

“What were you up to at 18?”

Living on Haight and Ashbury.

And then I went off and joined the Navy.

What a long, strange trip it’s been.

In Basic Training…

Suzanne @ 10

At 18 I was an old married woman.

Is that really true?

early summer of 73 until fall of 77 i was living in SF – on the richmond side of ggpark tho and not the haight.

Suzanne @ 10

At 18 I was an old married woman.

me too.

No wait, that wasn’t me…

At 18 I was just beginning the transformation from the All-American boy, jock, and general good citizen – and finding out that there was another world out there that was a lot more fun (if a bit hazy)…

I spent a looong time in that new world.

I was just a college freshman. And so happy and naive.

Jane, what were you doing at 18? How about you newtonusr?

karen allen @ 19

I was just a college freshman. And so happy and naive.

i was not happy, a bit naive, and also starting college. very messed up.

Suzanne @ 17

early summer of 73 until fall of 77 i was living in SF – on the richmond side of ggpark tho and not the haight.

My last night in SF I spent sleeping in Golden Gate park. With Berkeley Barbs as my blankie. Brrrrr!

I thought I could have a busy social life and drift thru college without having to study. I soon learned that wasn’t the case. But life looked good. Of course Bush hadn’t done his damage yet.

Loo Hoo. @ 20

Jane, what were you doing at 18? How about you newtonusr?

Loo Hoo, I turned 18 about 2 weeks after the ‘76 election. But I was busting ass for Jimmy Carter, night and day in those days.

At eighteen, sigh, I was out of parochicial school, and waiting for early acceptance for Univeristy of Delaware.

Did you get accepted at Delaware?

Evening all.

I saw my first Grateful Dead concert when I was 18. My life took a drastic turn to the left that day, and I’ve been here ever since.

Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right. – R. Hunter

karen allen @ 26

Did you get accepted at Delaware?

Yes I did, and it was wonderful.

Balrog @ 27, we have a local politician who brags that his conversion to Christianity came to him at a Big Bob’s Restaurant in Columbus, Ohio.

karen allen @ 23

I thought I could have a busy social life and drift thru college without having to study. I soon learned that wasn’t the case. But life looked good. Of course Bush hadn’t done his damage yet.

This sounds familiar, except for the social life part. I had to recalibrate my estimates of just when exactly The Last Minute was. Once I had that sorted, and found a major that worked for me, the academics went a lot smoother.

Eli @ 30

karen allen @ 23

I thought I could have a busy social life and drift thru college without having to study. I soon learned that wasn’t the case. But life looked good. Of course Bush hadn’t done his damage yet.

This sounds familiar, except for the social life part. I had to recalibrate my estimates of just when exactly The Last Minute was. Once I had that sorted, and found a major that worked for me, the academics went a lot smoother.

What was the major?

I was so politically unaware at 18.

karen allen @ 29

Balrog @ 27, we have a local politician who brags that his conversion to Christianity came to him at a Big Bob’s Restaurant in Columbus, Ohio.

Grateful Dead shows were our church all right; not what Mom was hoping for me though. ;)

CTuttle @ 31

Eli @ 30

What was the major?

This sounds familiar, except for the social life part. I had to recalibrate my estimates of just when exactly The Last Minute was. Once I had that sorted, and found a major that worked for me, the academics went a lot smoother.

Values, Technology, Science & Society. Since renamed to Science, Technology & Society. Alas, they waited until after I graduated to drop the Values, so I missed all the good parties.

Just back from moonlight Nordic skiing in Archangel Valley at Hatcher Pass with Ms ET, ET Jr and about 40 other skiers. Not the best – it was 43 F, but snowing. Weird – it is 33 here, 1,400 feet lower.

Howie posted my Alaska Politics Update at his place while we were out skiing.

Ed*ard Teller @ 35

Just back from moonlight Nordic skiing in Archangel Valley at Hatcher Pass. Not the best – it was 43 F, but snowing. Weird – it is 33 here, 1,400 feet lower.

Howie posted my Alaska Politics Update at his place while we were out skiing.

dayam, i’m colder than et in alaska. it is 35 and still dropping here at the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods

Ms. H. : i sent you a mash note down below …..

i was a freshman in college. hadn’t a clue. lost my religion. discovered jazz in the black clubs on Jefferson Street in Nashville. grew my first beard, which unnerved my parents, and led me to be called a beatnik a few years later. went to submarine school in New London. CT. had my first New York experience ……

Eli @ 34

CTuttle @ 31

Values, Technology, Science & Society. Since renamed to Science, Technology & Society. Alas, they waited until after I graduated to drop the Values, so I missed all the good parties.

What kind of major was that, Sociology/PoliSci?

I’m desperately trying to think of something, *anything* interesting from when I was 18. The best I can come up with was my standup comedy routine in the freshman talent show…

karen allen @ 32

I was so politically unaware at 18.

Karen, I am so politocally unawae at 55 it scares me.

I was a college freshman. It was the year the cops tear gassed our dorms. I remember handing out cups of water and bandanas to people outside.

From my inexhaustible joke locker:

Doctor Dave had sex with one of his patients and felt guilty all day long. No matter how much he tried to forget about it, he couldn’t. The guilt and sense of betrayal was overwhelming. But every once in a while he’d hear an internal, reassuring voice that said:

“Dave, don’t worry bout it. You aren’t the first doctor to have sex with his patient, and you wont be the last…and your single too…let it go!”

but invariably the other voice would bring him back to reality.

“Dave, Dave, Dave…

…You’re a veterinarian.”

fahrender @ 37

Ms. H. : i sent you a mash note down below …..

i was a freshman in college. hadn’t a clue. lost my religion. discovered jazz in the black clubs on Jefferson Street in Nashville. grew my first beard, which unnerved my parents, and led me to be called a beatnik later (it was). went to submarine school in New London. CT. had my first New York experience ……

Guten Tag! So you were in the Navy, eh?

Christine Edmonson @ 40

karen allen @ 32

I was so politically unaware at 18.

Karen, I am so politocally unawae at 55 it scares me.

My kid was more politically aware at 10 than I was at 30.

karen allen @ 29

Balrog @ 27, we have a local politician who brags that his conversion to Christianity came to him at a Big Bob’s Restaurant in Columbus, Ohio.

Karen, who is this politician? I’m a little east of you.

CTuttle @ 38

Eli @ 34

Values, Technology, Science & Society. Since renamed to Science, Technology & Society. Alas, they waited until after I graduated to drop the Values, so I missed all the good parties.

What kind of major was that, Sociology/PoliSci?

Neither, really. More a study of the interaction between culture and technology, how they influence each other. Not sure exactly what you would call it – it was considered “interdisciplinary”, and is currently a part of the Engineering department.

I learned that “Springboard to grad school” is a euphemism for “You will be totally unemployable”, but that was well after 18.

Christine @ 40: Really?

Those days, listening to Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks, Boz Scaggs, Kris Kristofferson, as well as all of the great rock bands.

Mad Dogs @ 42

From my inexhaustible joke locker:

Doctor Dave had sex with one of his patients and felt guilty all day long. No matter how much he tried to forget about it, he couldn’t. The guilt and sense of betrayal was overwhelming. But every once in a while he’d hear an internal, reassuring voice that said:

“Dave, don’t worry bout it. You aren’t the first doctor to have sex with his patient, and you wont be the last…and your single too…let it go!”

but invariably the other voice would bring him back to reality.

“Dave, Dave, Dave…

…You’re a veterinarian.”

Transference is a bitch.

Er, so to speak.

That was a great Hilary comerical they showed in the last thread. Yes the Fireups and any informed voter would have issue with Hilary’s claims to be a Lefty.
But now we can spin it that Hilary the great center candidate has realized that she can’t win by running for the Center.
I’m sure Tweety and Bobo will be angry about Hilary going all Lefty on them but Hilary is trying to win the Democratic Primary election. She needs our votes.
She needs to get us out of Iraq to get the 70%ers. I expect her to shift Left soon on a lot of postions or else people will be asking her questions.
Tweety and Bobo for some reason are not talking about how Rudy,Mitt, McCain etc are not going to win election with a prowar postion on Iraq that appeals to only 30% of the voters.
I want discussions about how the GOP is praying for a terror attack, Martial Law anything because thats the only way they can win.
This General Petraeus will fix things, the Surge is working, the number of deaths are down A LITTLE is so not going to cut it with voters.
Notice it is the GOP minority 30%ers who have pulled the GOP with their prowar postion to far right to win this election. But the MSM thinks that the DEMs are being pulled to far Left to win when we haven’t ended the war yet, or gotten everyone French Stlye healthcare.

Mad Dogs @ 42

From my inexhaustible joke locker:

Doctor Dave had sex with one of his patients and felt guilty all day long. No matter how much he tried to forget about it, he couldn’t. The guilt and sense of betrayal was overwhelming. But every once in a while he’d hear an internal, reassuring voice that said:

“Dave, don’t worry bout it. You aren’t the first doctor to have sex with his patient, and you wont be the last…and your single too…let it go!”

but invariably the other voice would bring him back to reality.

“Dave, Dave, Dave…

…You’re a veterinarian.”

variation on that joke:

“He was practicing animal husbandry until the police made him stop.”

Loo Hoo. @ 48

Those days, listening to Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks, Boz Scaggs, Kris Kristofferson, as well as all of the great rock bands.

Dan Hicks and His Hot Licks!

I’d forgotten all about them

fahrender @ 51

Mad Dogs @ 42

From my inexhaustible joke locker:

variation on that joke:

“He was practicing animal husbandry until the police made him stop.”

Tom Lehrer? (”He majored in Animal Husbandry until they… caught him at it one day.”)

Margot @45: Phil Heimlich. His father invented the Heimlich Maneuver. Phil H is challenging Mean Jean Schmidt in the OH02 primary in March. He’s doing it because he wants something to do. His grandparents were dancing instructors Arthur and Kathryn Murray. He lives off their large trust funds.

Eli @ 53

fahrender @ 51

variation on that joke:

“He was practicing animal husbandry until the police made him stop.”

Tom Lehrer? (”He majored in Animal Husbandry until they… caught him at it one day.”)

Ya’ll are some sick pups… :P

CTuttle @ 55

Eli @ 53

Tom Lehrer? (”He majored in Animal Husbandry until they… caught him at it one day.”)

Ya’ll are some sick pups… :P

Isn’t that why you come back every night?

TexBetsy @ 56

CTuttle @ 55

Ya’ll are some sick pups… :P

Isn’t that why you come back every night?

Glutton for punishment…! ;-)

TexBetsy @ 56

CTuttle @ 55

Ya’ll are some sick pups… :P

Isn’t that why you come back every night?

she got ya with that one ct.. better just wave the white flag now

karen allen @ 54

Margot @45: Phil Heimlich. His father invented the Heimlich Maneuver. Phil H is challenging Mean Jean Schmidt in the OH02 primary in March. He’s doing it because he wants something to do. His grandparents were dancing instructors Arthur and Kathryn Murray. He lives off their large trust funds.

That’s kinda scary since that’s why Darrell Issa went into politics. A bored millionaire according to his director guy.

Uhoh, Fahrender, cat got your tongue?

I actually was one of those at that last SF Sex Pistols show. Couldn’t understand that people booed Penelope (at least those standing near me). The crowd that night wasn’t the type who went to the regular shows at the Mab or other clubs in the region.

Penelope later went on to become a quite well-respected Folkie-oriented Singer-Songwriter! And despite the tough-girl persona she’s a real sweetheart.

As far as what I was doing when I was eighteen…it was 1972 finishing up HS in San Diego and then starting my first quarter at Berkeley. Fretting over the War since I had a draft #9 and was in excellent health. My physicals had been postponed throughout my Senior year in HS. So it was really my last shot a freedom. Missed getting inducted by an amazing bit of luck…LBJ’s death caused all gov’t offices to close on the day I was supposed to take my induction physical, so it was rescheduled. After Nixon ended the draft in early 1973, I was free.

My first beer (seriously), first joint, first real lover (and one of the smartest women I have ever met) and first political protest. Going to concerts (Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Earthquake, Santana) sometimes on cheapskate hill above the Greek Theater. I also saw the notorious Keith Moon collapse at a Who concert at the Cow Palace in 1973 (I had just turned 19, so that’s a little cheating). Anthropology classes, being a party to one of the first streaking incidents at Cal. Travelled that summer to Libya (where my Dad worked and Mom lived), and through Greece, and England and Scotland with my kid brother.

Ok, one more and then off to dreamland.

An American, an Englishman and an Irishman are at a bar. Each of them orders a beer. As the bartender sets their drinks in front of them, three flies buzz in and each of them land in a beer.

The American pushes his drink toward the bartender and says, “There’s a fly in my drink. Pour me another.”

The Englishman picks the fly out, shrugs and takes a drink.

A sudden noise makes them glance over at the Irishman, who is holding the fly over his drink and pinching it, saying “Spit it out, ye wee thievin’ bastard!”

anyone ready for snack?

Loo Hoo at 60: But I just love his comment that he found The Way at a Big Bob’s restaurant. Think it came with the fries?

thanks for the chocolate cheesecake, tex. whatcha got for everyone else?

Hrrrm. When i turned 18 i was in Lackland AFB in USAF basic training in Texas at the time. Attempting to survive ‘medical hell’ as we called it with an as of yet undiagnosed broken ankle. Needless to say, i was out a few months later and had had my bullshit detector honed to a fine edge by then. I spent the year after that drifting about mentally and readjusting to civilian life in general after that very intense summer. Basically spent most of it working full time in food service.

But it got my head back on straight, and gave me something to do while i started to become more politically aware. Pretty much my swearing at the TV started right about then. I’d been good before basic training at the BS detection., i was even better when i got out.

Mad Dogs @ 63

Ok, one more and then off to dreamland.

An American, an Englishman and an Irishman are at a bar. Each of them orders a beer. As the bartender sets their drinks in front of them, three flies buzz in and each of them land in a beer.

The American pushes his drink toward the bartender and says, “There’s a fly in my drink. Pour me another.”

The Englishman picks the fly out, shrugs and takes a drink.

A sudden noise makes them glance over at the Irishman, who is holding the fly over his drink and pinching it, saying “Spit it out, ye wee thievin’ bastard!”

707! Aloha, Mad Dog!

Girls Talk
Dave Edmunds & Rockpile. & Graham Parsons? Crawling From The Wreckage. Fun band. Teen years I had nyc’s plethora of small rock & roll venues at my disposal. I remember Edmunds & Co. 1979 the Ritz.

CTuttle @ 61

Uhoh, Fahrender, cat got your tongue?

having some editing problems, obviously! don’t have a cat these days.

the message i tried to send:

i was a “F______g Reservist”. never went active. got my discharge the week of the Cuban Missle Crisis. they’d processed the papers the previous friday …..

Suzanne @ 66

thanks for the chocolate cheesecake, tex. whatcha got for everyone else?

brownies

Concertwise, The Tubes played at our freshman orientation, and they didn’t seem real happy about it. I remember the crowd repeatedly demanding “White Punks On Dope” and the band pretending they had never heard of it. They did eventually play it, as I recall.

From a long-time lurker …

At 18 (1970) I was a sophomore at Berkeley (math major) in my first apartment on Piedmont Ave., south of Dwight. In my off hours I was scouring the used bookstores (Moe’s on Telegraph) for half-price used science fiction.

Which brings to mind the quote from Terry Carr, the Ace paperback editor. He used to joke that if the Bible had been published as an Ace Double, it would have been cut down to two volumes of twenty thousand words each. The Old Testament would have been retitled “Master of Chaos”, and the New Testament “The Thing with Three Souls”.

Eli @ 53

fahrender @ 51

variation on that joke:

“He was practicing animal husbandry until the police made him stop.”

Tom Lehrer? (”He majored in Animal Husbandry until they… caught him at it one day.”)

gee, i didn’t know it originated with Tom. i heard it from a drummer on a band bus in Louisiana …….

_____________

great writing, Eli. love your stuff.

laughing.. thanks tex

Hi again ‘pups, can’t sleep, travelling always messes me up a bit. Hmmmm, being 18 — let me think on it ;-)

karen allen @ 47

Christine @ 40: Really?

Suzanne @ 58

TexBetsy @ 56

Isn’t that why you come back every night?

she got ya with that one ct.. better just wave the white flag now

Hey!

where are ya LL?

here’s our tachino tortellini specialty post-thanksgiving

fahrender @ 70

CTuttle @ 61

Uhoh, Fahrender, cat got your tongue?

having some editing problems, obviously! don’t have a cat these days.

the message i tried to send:

i was a “F______g Reservist”. never went active. got my discharge the week of the Cuban Missle Crisis. they’d processed the papers the previous friday …..

Timely, indeed…!

Wow, cinnamonape, you had a worldly experience! Do you still live in San Diego?

Betsy, I’m back home now after a lightning-quick trip to Richmond VA for the family Thanksgiving-fest

LoudounLib @ 76

Hi again ‘pups, can’t sleep, travelling always messes me up a bit. Hmmmm, being 18 — let me think on it ;-)

I’m trying to remember too

and I’ll probably never sleep, I all ready did

Thanks, fahrender!

I have no idea if Lehrer was the original source or not; but it definitely passed through him at one point, in the intro to We Will All Go Together When We Go, from An Evening Wasted With Tom Lehrer. This would have been – Good Lord – 1959.

One of my favorite albums of all time.

Eli @ 49

Mad Dogs @ 42

From my inexhaustible joke locker:

Transference is a bitch.

Er, so to speak.

never gaze deeply into her eyes ………

divF @ 73

From a long-time lurker …

At 18 (1970) I was a sophomore at Berkeley (math major) in my first apartment on Piedmont Ave., south of Dwight. In my off hours I was scouring the used bookstores (Moe’s on Telegraph) for half-price used science fiction.

Which brings to mind the quote from Terry Carr, the Ace paperback editor. He used to joke that if the Bible had been published as an Ace Double, it would have been cut down to two volumes of twenty thousand words each. The Old Testament would have been retitled “Master of Chaos”, and the New Testament “The Thing with Three Souls”.

welcome and thanks for delurking… i’ve found it hard to go back to lurking after speaking. please continue to add your voice here.

karen allen @ 65

Loo Hoo at 60: But I just love his comment that he found The Way at a Big Bob’s restaurant. Think it came with the fries?

Fer sure!

Unless I’m mistaken, this hasn’t been posted yet:

Alice Cooper – I’m Eighteen

Ty (the cat) waiting as the Tachino cooks…

I was still in the church world when I was eighteen. My ambition in those days was to be a pastor. (Of course, the fact that a woman would never be ordained in the Assembly of God church didn’t stop me or anything.)

To blatantly rip off an oft-used line, what a long, strange trip it’s been.

-S

karen allen @ 54

Margot @45: Phil Heimlich. His father invented the Heimlich Maneuver. Phil H is challenging Mean Jean Schmidt in the OH02 primary in March. He’s doing it because he wants something to do. His grandparents were dancing instructors Arthur and Kathryn Murray. He lives off their large trust funds.

Oh good grief!

Hey all.

Strikes me that “Ever get the feeling you’re being cheated?” is ripe for a comeback.

divF @ 73

From a long-time lurker …

At 18 (1970) I was a sophomore at Berkeley (math major) in my first apartment on Piedmont Ave., south of Dwight. In my off hours I was scouring the used bookstores (Moe’s on Telegraph) for half-price used science fiction.

Which brings to mind the quote from Terry Carr, the Ace paperback editor. He used to joke that if the Bible had been published as an Ace Double, it would have been cut down to two volumes of twenty thousand words each. The Old Testament would have been retitled “Master of Chaos”, and the New Testament “The Thing with Three Souls”.

That’s outstanding!
Welcome!
my bold

Oh yeah, that would have also been the summer of my first internship at Brown Brothers Harriman, which I believe is the only bank that’s a partnership rather than a corporation. That was also my first exposure to spreadsheets, in the form of Lotus Notes on DOS. I think I was inputting foreign exchange stats or something like that.

I figured (correctly) that I would never do sports in college, so I would get off the subway 10-20 blocks early and walk home, then walk up the 14 flights of stairs to my mom’s apartment.

I wish i was 18 again

Here ya go, Eli!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8nGNbk7oQ

divF @ 73

From a long-time lurker …

At 18 (1970) I was a sophomore at Berkeley (math major) in my first apartment on Piedmont Ave., south of Dwight. In my off hours I was scouring the used bookstores (Moe’s on Telegraph) for half-price used science fiction.

Which brings to mind the quote from Terry Carr, the Ace paperback editor. He used to joke that if the Bible had been published as an Ace Double, it would have been cut down to two volumes of twenty thousand words each. The Old Testament would have been retitled “Master of Chaos”, and the New Testament “The Thing with Three Souls”.

HA! That’s rich.

Elliott @ 83

LoudounLib @ 76

Hi again ‘pups, can’t sleep, travelling always messes me up a bit. Hmmmm, being 18 — let me think on it ;-)

I’m trying to remember too

and I’ll probably never sleep, I all ready did

After two nights of sleeping on a sofa, you’d think I’d be resting well by now — but noooo ;-)

karen allen @ 65

Loo Hoo at 60: But I just love his comment that he found The Way at a Big Bob’s restaurant. Think it came with the fries?

Think about it…what else is there to do sitting at a Big Bob’s?

I was 18 in 1968, started my first year of college in September. By midway through that year, it was hard to decide if classes were more important than what was happening outside.
(formerlymaxcat06)

Margot @ 91

karen allen @ 54

Margot @45: Phil Heimlich. His father invented the Heimlich Maneuver. Phil H is challenging Mean Jean Schmidt in the OH02 primary in March. He’s doing it because he wants something to do. His grandparents were dancing instructors Arthur and Kathryn Murray. He lives off their large trust funds.

Oh good grief!

is this the son who claims his father’s a fraud?

CTuttle @ 96

Here ya go, Eli!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8nGNbk7oQ

Funny, I don’t recall seeing that…

When’s madmommy due back?

Strategerie @ 90

I was still in the church world when I was eighteen. My ambition in those days was to be a pastor. (Of course, the fact that a woman would never be ordained in the Assembly of God church didn’t stop me or anything.)

To blatantly rip off an oft-used line, what a long, strange trip it’s been.

-S

“….. when the going get’s wierd, the wierd turn pro.” HST

LoudounLib @ 98

Elliott @ 83

I’m trying to remember too

and I’ll probably never sleep, I all ready did

After two nights of sleeping on a sofa, you’d think I’d be resting well by now — but noooo ;-)

lol!!

LoudounLib @ 87

Unless I’m mistaken, this hasn’t been posted yet:

Alice Cooper – I’m Eighteen

As it happens, that song came out on the radio the year I turned 18.

I don’t have anything exciting to relate about being 18, but I can tell you it was hard work at the time…was working two to three jobs and going to school, but I still managed to inject a good amount of, uh, fun *g* That was ca. 1978

Elliot @ 100: I think that’s the other son who works full time saying his father’s a fraud. Ya think he’d get a job, wouldn’t you, instead of trashing his father while living off his father’s money.

i was alone in the apt last night, quiet as can be, couldn’t fall asleep until 4 am.

sometimes i think i need to hear them breathe.

On the other hand, those of us with ravaged faces, lacking in the social graces, learned the truth at 17.

Hmmm. @ 109

On the other hand, those of us with ravaged faces, lacking in the social graces, learned the truth at 17.

Janis Ian

?

Hmmm. @ 108

On the other hand, those of us with ravaged faces, lacking in the social graces, learned the truth at 17.

janis ian – loved that song.

think this is on the wingnut agenda?

Patriotism law seeks to halt cars for anthem
from Reuters: Oddly Enough
BANGKOK (Reuters) – A proposed new law to boost patriotism in Thailand would be “chaotic” because it would require motorists to stop when the national anthem is played twice a day, lawmakers said Friday.
http://feeds.reuters.com/~r/re…..5820071123

(crickets)

Well I’m really proud of my niece, who is 2 1/2 years away from being 18 — she went toe to toe with her dad the other night about WalMart and their evil business practices; she had just seen a documentary about the company and was all righteously outraged, and didn’t back down from her dad when he was touting their “perfect business model” talking points. A future FDL reader :-)

Well I’m enjoying my Warriors 11-0 record, I shall bid ya’ll a fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!!

g’night CT

Loo Hoo. @ 81

Wow, cinnamonape, you had a worldly experience! Do you still live in San Diego?

No I live in Sacramento now (actually I’m in SE Asia until January on sabbatical). I teach Anthropology at Sac State. I guess one could say I have led a “full life”, though in some ways it’s not very linear…and without the domestic joys that others have had…no marriages and no kids.

I’ve been fortunate to have been able to travel a lot and experience the world even from when I was a teen. Spent several of my early teen years in Africa…which is where I acquired my interest in Anthropology, opened my ears to world music (the interest in punk and alternative came later), and where I learned to play soccer. All these things still are big interests to me now. I think going to a mixed-race school in Ghana also had an impact on my essentially East Texas Southern Baptist heritage. But I’m essentially a California kid at heart.

LL, get her involved now. Cassie needs some peers.

At eighteen, in 1978, I was pursuing a major in sex…don’t remember what I was studying in college classes, though. I minored in illegal substances.

Didn’t get the sex thing right until six years later. But I studied a lot! I dropped the minor, though, when video games appeared on the scene.

Betsy, I would love to get her connected with Cassie. I will talk with her about that.

night CT

Shadowstalker @ 118

At eighteen, in 1978, I was pursuing a major in sex…don’t remember what I was studying in college classes, though. I minored in illegal substances.

Didn’t get the sex thing right until six years later. But I studied a lot! I dropped the minor, though, when video games appeared on the scene.

Something about the journey being it’s own reward……

g’nite ct

OT: So this Lebanon crisis… I seem to remember that one of the scary-strange Exec Orders that came down during the PAA vote in August had to do with authorizing drastic USG actions against anyone whose actions had the effect of working to the detriment of the Lebanese people. Anybody see anything likely to start kicking in here?

Hmmm.

CTuttle @ 115

Well I’m enjoying my Warriors 11-0 record, I shall bid ya’ll a fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!!

Louisiana Tech came within one point of messing that one up. They are the real deal though. Schlaf Gut ……

fun bonning mots folks. gotta go do stuff for a while.
it’s been real. back to lurk later

Hmmm. @ 124

OT: So this Lebanon crisis… I seem to remember that one of the scary-strange Exec Orders that came down during the PAA vote in August had to do with authorizing drastic USG actions against anyone whose actions had the effect of working to the detriment of the Lebanese people. Anybody see anything likely to start kicking in here?

Hmmm.

not familiar with this

For those who missed Jane on C-Span this morning…

In order.

newtonusr @ 128

For those who missed Jane on C-Span this morning…

In order.

wow, and wow.. jane eye candy.. utubes on one page

excellent, thanks newt

Couple Wearing Protest Shirts First Through The Door On Black Friday
from Crooks and Liars by Logan Murphy
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I was watching MSNBC this morning and during a segment on the Black Friday shopping frenzy and the throngs of people waiting in line to get into a New Jersey mall, when something caught my eye. I rewound the video and sure enough, the first two people through the door were wearing protest shirts — “Impeach Bush” and “Out Of Iraq”.

I don’t know who these brave souls are, but I thought I’d thank them for waiting in line to get the chance to make their statement and give them props for getting the holidays off to a great start and trying to spread some good will. We can only hope security didn’t tackle, tase or beat them…

*Update: They made it on CNN later in the morning!

karen allen @ 107

Elliot @ 100: I think that’s the other son who works full time saying his father’s a fraud. Ya think he’d get a job, wouldn’t you, instead of trashing his father while living off his father’s money.

karen, you got it. Here’s an article about him:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thebl…..son-p.html

Summer of 1978…I was seventeen, recently graduated from high school, recently thrown out of the house, living with my boyfriend, beginning an ill-fated engineering program, working as a co-op student at a Fortune 100 company.

I came home from work every night that summer, shucked my duds and traded them for a bikini, a coating of Hawaiian Tropic SPF 4, and a beer before heading poolside to listen to the radio while I baked in the late afternoon sun.

At the time it seemed so complicated — nobody lived in sin with their boyfriend in this blue-collar midwest town, no girl was thrown out by her parents, nor did a girl go into engineering. In hindsight, I didn’t do enough of the things that nobody did; I should have broken far more norms, should have been far more eff you about everything.

And I should have left that selfish bastard sooner, but I was young and stupid and incapable of the 50,000 foot view needed at the time.

I’m off — fatigue has finally caught up with me. G’night all!

Hi TexBetsy –

not familiar with this

The current crisis is covered here.

The EO is here. And some analysis is here.

wow Rayne.

boy, we’re all learning a lot about each other tonight!

jane was ab fab

and ‘nite LL

g’nite LL

TexBetsy @ 127

Hmmm. @ 124

OT: So this Lebanon crisis… I seem to remember that one of the scary-strange Exec Orders that came down during the PAA vote in August had to do with authorizing drastic USG actions against anyone whose actions had the effect of working to the detriment of the Lebanese people. Anybody see anything likely to start kicking in here?

Hmmm.

not familiar with this

Happened while we were at YearlyKos, on 03-AUG, Bets. I was worried about it at the time, because of one key sentence:

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, determine that the actions of certain persons to undermine Lebanon’s legitimate and democratically elected government or democratic institutions, to contribute to the deliberate breakdown in the rule of law in Lebanon, including through politically motivated violence and intimidation, to reassert Syrian control or contribute to Syrian interference in Lebanon, or to infringe upon or undermine Lebanese sovereignty contribute to political and economic instability in that country and the region and constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States, and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.

Almost time for me to crash. The final dose of prednisone is wearing off and i’m in the start of the post therapy sleep day i get from this stuff. Prednisone and a fast metabolism do NOT mix. It works great for the post asthma attack stuff, but i end up sleeping the day away after the final dose is done in my system.

Just way too much, waaaaaaaaay too fast.

To everyone leaving: Sweet dreams…

‘Niters, ‘pups. Stopped in only for a drive-by, between falling asleep on the couch earlier and now heading for my bead.

waving g’nite to the leaving sleepy pups

rayne, well, that certainly woke me right up and make me pucker too.

Suzanne @ 143

waving g’nite to the leaving sleepy pups

Waving from Texas as well.

NOW on KQED (PBS) now showing the Alaska scandals.

My TiVo watches TV in real time so that The Sweetie and I don’t have to.

Hmmm. @ 147

My TiVo watches TV in real time so that The Sweetie and I don’t have to.

I’m a mom so I learned how to multi-task (ducking)

Suzanne @ 146

NOW on KQED (PBS) now showing the Alaska scandals.

kewl, they are talking about the trial ET blogged.

Things we watch live any more: sumo (to get the English commentary) and the CSPANs. That’s about it. American Journal on CSPAN we record every day.

Suzanne @ 146

NOW on KQED (PBS) now showing the Alaska scandals.

It’s kinda fun enjoying their mess, isn’t it?

we don’t have the tivo thing

Elliott @ 151

Suzanne @ 146

NOW on KQED (PBS) now showing the Alaska scandals.

It’s kinda fun enjoying their mess, isn’t it?

especially knowing the backstory on it from ET’s blogging about it and his comments over here

time for a party game.

if you could go back in time for one minute and say one sentence to your 18 yr old self, what would you say?

I’m a mom so I learned how to multi-task (ducking)

(Studiously ignoring that.) (Missy.)

TexBetsy @ 154

time for a party game.

if you could go back in time for one minute and say one sentence to your 18 yr old self, what would you say?

Oh wait, I know this one… It’s “Plastics,” right?

TexBetsy @ 152

we don’t have the tivo thing

i don’t either. and my vcr and dvd players are packed up – i was thinking it would be a fairly fast sale (eyes rolling)

Hmmm. @ 156

TexBetsy @ 154

time for a party game.

if you could go back in time for one minute and say one sentence to your 18 yr old self, what would you say?

Oh wait, I know this one… It’s “Plastics,” right?

“Google”.

TexBetsy @ 154

time for a party game.

if you could go back in time for one minute and say one sentence to your 18 yr old self, what would you say?

“study computer programming”

TexBetsy @ 154

time for a party game.

if you could go back in time for one minute and say one sentence to your 18 yr old self, what would you say?

“Ouzo will get you into trouble…”

Ah yes, 18. 1964-65.

Lyndon Johnson wins in a landalide, one that will eventually cover him.

Beetles in full swing with Hard Days Night and Help, but the best is still ahead.

In Alvin we were protected. I had no idea what weed was. Alcohol was something the rough crowd did. I lived in a dry county.

When my sister got pregnant, she married the father of the child. I was not aware there was other options. Abort was a word we had become familiar with due to NASA being 15 miles from us (Houston).

I drove a 1962 Chevy II. It was Blue. Vietnam was just begining to be in the news. There were shadings that things were a changing, but the United States was then still a pretty innocent place among the working class.

My father died. It is odd that his life ended just as mine really began. Never really got to know him, but people who knew him tell me that I remind them of my father. Quite a compliment as he was a fine man and I was adopted. I was adrift with no idea of what I wanted to do. God, I was young.

18 used to be young.

newtonusr – thanks for the C-SPAN/Jane links. They don’t update C-SPAN over long weekends.

snort… NOW just tied ‘even larry craig‘ to alaska and ted stevens with pictures of a fishing thang.

Ed*ard Teller @ 162

newtonusr – thanks for the C-SPAN/Jane links. They don’t update C-SPAN over long weekends.

Air America hasn’t yet updated its shows since Wednesday morning.

ET, you gonna watch PBS’s NOW study of alaska corruption?

“study computer programming”

Naw, did that… Still far from rich. Maybe “Study computer programming and be very very lucky choosing the company where you work away your youth” …?

TexBetsy @ 154

time for a party game.

if you could go back in time for one minute and say one sentence to your 18 yr old self, what would you say?

You do have a brain, never sell yourself short.

Eli @ 158

Hmmm. @ 156

Oh wait, I know this one… It’s “Plastics,” right?

“Google”.

Or, alternatively, “In your senior year, you will meet a spectacular blonde Amazon. She may, in fact, be into you. Do not say or do anything stupid when she breaks up with her boyfriend.”

Everyone is remembering that Netroots Nation goes up $75. on Nov. 30th?

Loo Hoo. @ 169

Everyone is remembering that Netroots Nation goes up $75. on Nov. 30th?

Oh boy! Texas in July! Awesome!

Eli @ 170

Loo Hoo. @ 169

Everyone is remembering that Netroots Nation goes up $75. on Nov. 30th?

Oh boy! Texas in July! Awesome!

everything here is air conditioned, the pools are free, and it’s comfortable outdoors from 2 AM – 7 AM daily.

if you could go back in time for one minute and say one sentence to your 18 yr old self, what would you say?

Be yourself even when that makes you vulnerable — and choose your friends with great care even when you’re really lonely.

Hmmm. @ 166

“study computer programming”

Naw, did that… Still far from rich. Maybe “Study computer programming and be very very lucky choosing the company where you work away your youth” …?

I would really just like to already know it rather than beating my old, grey head against the wall trying to learn at 47. It’s true what they say about old dogs. (sigh)

Loo Hoo. @ 169

Everyone is remembering that Netroots Nation goes up $75. on Nov. 30th?

I’m a little pissed at the labor issue, Loo Hoo. And if we hope to make a difference on this…
I’m considering not going.

Shadowstalker @ 173

Hmmm. @ 166

Naw, did that… Still far from rich. Maybe “Study computer programming and be very very lucky choosing the company where you work away your youth” …?

I would really just like to already know it rather than beating my old, grey head against the wall trying to learn at 47. It’s true what they say about old dogs. (sigh)

I dunno, i have a feeling i’ll never stop learning even when i’m 47. I’m at 30 now (young in’ compared to you guys) but i’ve seen people my age completely disregard new skills entirely too. Totally flabbergasts me. I’d be crazy enough to move into yet another career at that age, just because i can.

fahrender @ 103

“….. when the going get’s wierd, the wierd turn pro.” HST

Fahrender, isn’t this the truth? We live and learn.

-S

I’m 47 too, Shadowstalker, and even though I’m nominally in a software industry, I never program professionally any more. (O irony, thou stingest again…) Is there something particular you’re trying to write?

The thing my 47-year old brain is having a hard time ingesting is the Japanese language.

Hmmm.

Suzanne @ 165

ET, you gonna watch PBS’s NOW study of alaska corruption?

I suppose so. It shows here at 12:30 a.m. The PBS station studios in Anchorage are named after Bill Allen, the guy who went down with his oilfield service company here in the corruption scandals. Do you think I’ll learn anything? The NOW piece is part of why I wanted to get my Alaska politics essay up at Howie’s place.

i agree, newton. am still wrestling with that issue

Ed*ard Teller @ 178

Suzanne @ 165

ET, you gonna watch PBS’s NOW study of alaska corruption?

I suppose so. It shows here at 12:30 a.m. The PBS station studios in Anchorage are named after Bill Allen, the guy who went down with his oilfield service company here in the corruption scandals. Do you think I’ll learn anything? The NOW piece is part of why I wanted to get my Alaska politics essay up at Howie’s place.

woohoo.. reading it now

aliasofwestgate @ 175

Shadowstalker @ 173

I would really just like to already know it rather than beating my old, grey head against the wall trying to learn at 47. It’s true what they say about old dogs. (sigh)

I dunno, i have a feeling i’ll never stop learning even when i’m 47. I’m at 30 now (young in’ compared to you guys) but i’ve seen people my age completely disregard new skills entirely too. Totally flabbergasts me. I’d be crazy enough to move into yet another career at that age, just because i can.

I love your attitude!

Two years ago I did not know what a blog was, and now I’m blogging and spent a while editing for a blog. Did my first on-air interviews for a radio network I only heard about 2 or 3 yrs ago. Always learning.

Hmmm. @ 177

I’m 47 too, Shadowstalker,

I’m 47 as well. I keep thinking that I’ve learned a lot, then something will happen that lets me know how much I still need to learn.

-S

At 18, I think I was “into” the Kingston Trio. I didn’t discover the Beatles until I was 19 or 20. I was somewhat the Geek.

Bob in HI

I know the labor issue is a biggie, newton, but look at the problems we had last summer because they insisted on a union house. We could all give business cards with the phone number of the hospitality (or whatever the name is) of the relevant union to the workers there maybe? Maybe they will have a speaker from that union?

I just don’t want to miss it, especially this summer. Just before the most important election of my lifetime…

et, they had good things to say about your gov palin on the show

Loo Hoo. @ 184

I know the labor issue is a biggie, newton, but look at the problems we had last summer because they insisted on a union house. We could all give business cards with the phone number of the hospitality (or whatever the name is) of the relevant union to the workers there maybe? Maybe they will have a speaker from that union?

I just don’t want to miss it, especially this summer. Just before the most important election of my lifetime…

what problems?

Hmmm. @ 177

I’m 47 too, Shadowstalker, and even though I’m nominally in a software industry, I never program professionally any more. (O irony, thou stingest again…) Is there something particular you’re trying to write?

The thing my 47-year old brain is having a hard time ingesting is the Japanese language.

Hmmm.

Nothing particular yet…just trying to get my head into C so that I would be capable of writing a game. I have half a dozen CRPGs plotted out and am trying to learn the language. I can marginally program in VBasic, but any 18-year old can do that.

I love your attitude!

Two years ago I did not know what a blog was, and now I’m blogging and spent a while editing for a blog. Did my first on-air interviews for a radio network I only heard about 2 or 3 yrs ago. Always learning.

TexB? I’d be bored as could possibly be if i wasn’t learning. That’s why i think it’s quite possible i’ll migrate through several different types of jobs as i age. I’ve already done food service, now i’m in pharmacy. I have a goal to get into music/sound production at some point later on. For now i’m mostly just subsisting–but i also LIKE pharmacy as well. A constant learning environment and more or less chaos that keeps me from loosing my mind from repetition of daily tasks.

I can’t see myself retiring from anything completely. I’d always have hobbies on the go or something to keep my really active mind hopping.

Including picking up more languages. I want to relearn spanish, and i’ve got a smidgen of japanese but i want formal training in that to hone out what i’ve figured out on my own by just being a crazy anime/manga fan. I’m totally confused on the written character language. But spoken? i can figure out a bit.

TexBetsy, being in the middle of nowhere with a $15 taxi drive to get away. The ripoff prices because we had no options. Remember???

another excellent post et

Loo Hoo. @ 189

TexBetsy, being in the middle of nowhere with a $15 taxi drive to get away. The ripoff prices because we had no options. Remember???

I remember all the problems, but how was this related to unions?

Illegal immigrant rescues boy in desert

By TERRY TANG, Associated Press writer

PHOENIX – A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.

The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada said.

The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.

Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.

The woman died a short time later.

TexBetsy @ 154

time for a party game.

if you could go back in time for one minute and say one sentence to your 18 yr old self, what would you say?

Wow. What a thought. I had to think about that one for a while. I’d probably want to say to my 18-year old, geeky self, “Don’t be afraid to say ‘I love you’ to someone you love. And don’t be afraid to make a mistake.”

But then who knows what trouble that might have caused? (*g*)

Bob in HI

TexBetsy @ 192

Illegal immigrant rescues boy in desert

By TERRY TANG, Associated Press writer

PHOENIX – A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.

The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada said.

The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.

Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.

The woman died a short time later.

jeebus, wanna bet border patrol arrested the Good Samaritan?

yeap, f*ckers arrested him (spitting)

Shadowstalker @ 187

Nothing particular yet…just trying to get my head into C so that I would be capable of writing a game. I have half a dozen CRPGs plotted out and am trying to learn the language. I can marginally program in VBasic, but any 18-year old can do that.

VBasic is a good start, don’t knock yourself there. C is a good step between BASIC and an object-oriented language like C or Java (which may be where you want to wind up for games). I used to do music and sound (and the software that played them) for games. Going directly to C or Java from VB would just make your head hurt worse, object-oriented is a major paradigm shift. There are lots of good books to help you all along the way.

Great post, ET. Congratulations to you as you join the Big Time! Radio and Down With Tyranny both. Thanks for what you do for America.

time for me to head out and head off. g’nite all

TexBetsy @ 191

Loo Hoo. @ 189

TexBetsy, being in the middle of nowhere with a $15 taxi drive to get away. The ripoff prices because we had no options. Remember???

I remember all the problems, but how was this related to unions?

It was a Union Hotel…sadly, hard to find these days apparently.

Suzanne @ 198

timem for me to head out and head off. g’nite all

me too. sleep well my friend. pleasant dreams

Suzanne @ 185

et, they had good things to say about your gov palin on the show

And they should. I’ll say this – Her soccer teams in my league had the best sportsmanship of any, except mine.

Suzanne @ 195

yeap, f*ckers arrested him (spitting)

What? That’s not what the article I read said a few hours ago…what happened?

‘Night, Suzanne. Dream the dreams of the just.

I have a three-foot-tall stack of books, fortunately, and a lot of spare time while at work to study them.

I also have FDL to sidetrack me when it gets too mind-boggling. Maybe by the time C is completely outdated, I will have figured out what I’m doing, and be playing a game I created.

sleep well my friends, until tomorrow …

Night Tex and Suz.

from tex’s link:

Cordova was taken into custody by Border Patrol agents, who were the first to respond to the call for help. He had been trying to walk into the U.S. when he came across the boy.

waving

Ah, but you’re farther ahead of the curve than you realize. C is what most mobile phone internal software is developed in. Not outdated at all, “evergreen” we call it at work.

Loo Hoo. @ 197

Great post, ET. Congratulations to you as you join the Big Time! Radio and Down With Tyranny both. Thanks for what you do for America.

You’re so sweet. Just starting to finish up watching Jane’s clips. She’s one of my four biggest heroes right now.

Ed*ard Teller @ 209

Loo Hoo. @ 197

Great post, ET. Congratulations to you as you join the Big Time! Radio and Down With Tyranny both. Thanks for what you do for America.

You’re so sweet. Just starting to finish up watching Jane’s clips. She’s one of my four biggest heroes right now.

She has amazing composure and a wicked jab. Lethal combination.

I just realized something really wonderful about the lake, part of why the conversation is so good. It’s that everyone can say their piece in turn without waiting for an opening in the conversation so there’s no frustration from not getting heard. All because this conversation is read (visual/text), not spoken (sound).

Obvious, probably, but it only just now hit me.

Hmmm. @ 211

I just realized something really wonderful about the lake, part of why the conversation is so good. It’s that everyone can say their piece in turn without waiting for an opening in the conversation so there’s no frustration from not getting heard. All because this conversation is read (visual/text), not spoken (sound).

Obvious, probably, but it only just now hit me.

That is the cool part. Most people here read the comments before posting, especially when it’s slower.

ET, care to elaborate about your other heros?

Totally OT: Does anybody have an opinion on the possible effect of Bloomberg’s candidacy (should it come to pass)?

Hmmm. @ 211

I just realized something really wonderful about the lake, part of why the conversation is so good. It’s that everyone can say their piece in turn without waiting for an opening in the conversation so there’s no frustration from not getting heard. All because this conversation is read (visual/text), not spoken (sound).

Obvious, probably, but it only just now hit me.

And most everyone has learned to follow three or four different conversations within one commentary. It’s an awesome thing, when you think about it.

newtonusr @ 210

She has amazing composure and a wicked jab. Lethal combination.

If you were away a bit earlier, thanks for posting the links!

Age 18 — aaaahhhh. It was 1971. Just graduated high school, getting ready for college. What a summer that was. No one in our high school class was drafted, so I guess the draft was either over or almost over.

We weren’t actually hippies, but we called ourselves Fake Hippies. In other words, we agreed with what they were doing. (Yes, yes, I guess I could be called a Dirty F’ing Hippie” nonetheless.)

It was before “the 60s” was over yet.

I loved that year.

Ed*ard Teller @ 215

newtonusr @ 210

She has amazing composure and a wicked jab. Lethal combination.

If you were away a bit earlier, thanks for posting the links!

Sure! It was a blast to edit those.
I’ve been in and out this evening.

wigwam, I’d want to hear your take. It seems to me that the republican brand is totally in the toilet. I say that living outside Camp Pendleton, in an area that has been solidly republican since I have been in these parts. Now there are Ron Paul signs all over the place.

Bloomberg could well make more sense to the pissed off republicans (and democrats) than Paul once they are educated about his beliefs. I do not claim any expertise, just my thoughts.

I’m offically flipping a big bird at the sleeping gods. They seem to be pissed at me already so might as well go all the way.

Let’s see at 18 I hadn’t discovered art, I spent a lot time cruising around in my ‘69 Chevy, learned about how people hate by being gay bashed and enjoyed a summer filled with Bruce Springsteen at the Spectrum in Philly.

Loo Hoo. @ 212

ET, care to elaborate about your other heros?

Jane Hamsher – for her personal courage in adversity and effective methods in creating a positive web community.

Howie Klein – for his continuing exposure of the shortcomings of old school Democrats and realistic plans to move them aside

Donna Edwards – for showing people in other congressional races that you have to keep on pushing, keep on pushing against the old school Dems in your district you believe you should represent

Diane Benson – for having the courage to take on Don Young last year when nobody would, and then, when she realized that her near-victory would attract 2008 primary candidates, study really hard to determine how to know what the people in her district really need, and work really hard to win

Surfing and consuming mass quantities of the amber at the beach in San Diego before departing to USMC bootcamp and ultimately, Southeast Asia. It was a swellegant time!

The problem with Jane’s C-SPAN interview is that the host and callers kept the track focused on the presidential race, and the Dem presidential candidates. Jane is more effective in other areas. And so is our community.

This isn’t a criticism of Jane. Every time she’s on TV or radio, she projects an aura of positive trajectory that can’t help but recruit newly disaffected people from less progressive spheres of thought. She’ll be back on C-SPAN, so this was just one episode.

Loo Hoo. @ 218

wigwam, I’d want to hear your take. It seems to me that the republican brand is totally in the toilet. I say that living outside Camp Pendleton, in an area that has been solidly republican since I have been in these parts. Now there are Ron Paul signs all over the place.

Bloomberg could well make more sense to the pissed off republicans (and democrats) than Paul once they are educated about his beliefs. I do not claim any expertise, just my thoughts.

I’ve ignored Bloomberg until now, but it now looks like he’ll run a well funded campaign that will take a big bite out of the center. (The little I’ve heard of him, he seems way less crazy than anyone running on the Republican side.)

So, taking a big bite out of the center would probably do more damage to Hillary than it would the others, who seem to be to the left of her. But that’s a very naive analysis.

Would Bloomberg’s religion have an effect on his electability? Like it could for Romney?

Ed*ard Teller @ 222

The problem with Jane’s C-SPAN interview is that the host and callers kept the track focused on the presidential race, and the Dem presidential candidates. Jane is more effective in other areas. And so is our community.

This isn’t a criticism of Jane. Every time she’s on TV or radio, she projects an aura of positive trajectory that can’t help but recruit newly disaffected people from less progressive spheres of thought. She’ll be back on C-SPAN, so this was just one episode.

Yeah, Jane got a few points in on health care for instance, but through the lens of the race. She gave Pedro a great opportunity when she mentioned the Plame matter and Marcy’s book, and he didn’t latch on.

I let the dig run through the following hour, and if I run out of things to do in the next few weeks (unlikely), I may watch the PantLoad Hour that followed Jane. There are probably some gems hidden in there, but OTOH, that is an hour of my life I can never get back.

Loo Hoo. @ 224

Would Bloomberg’s religion have an effect on his electability? Like it could for Romney?

My guess is that it would not. And, so far as I know, Lieberman’s religion didn’t become an issue when he was on the ticket in 2000 (as VP).

My concerns about Bloomberg are not so much about the possibility that he’d win, but that he might tend to damage the Democratic candidate more than the Republican, possibly enough to throw the outcome of the election.

My oh my, isn’t this interesting: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..73905.html

Geez, wigwam. And he has enough money to really screw with it. I know nothing about him, but I just hate having another wildcard at this point. I suppose Gore could come in though…and he’d be a wildcard.

I need to go to bed, but if you have thoughts, I restore my firefox, so I’ll see them in the morning. Do you think he might run with Hillary? Good night.

wigwam @ 227

My oh my, isn’t this interesting: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..73905.html

Yes, and check that it says it was on FDL this afternoon. Funnybusiness.

Australia’s Howard behind in early poll count

Thanks, Jane for posting the old Avengers video. I’m proud to let you know that Jimmy Wilsey is my little brother and I have had the joy of following his career throughout the years.

Jimmy just celebrated his 50th birthday this July. He is happily married and has a four year old boy named Waylon, after Waylon Jennings. Jimmy still writes and performs music and we are looking forward to the release of a solo instrumental cd entitled, “El Dorado,” due out in January. He is playing some selected live dates around Hollywood you can find info on his myspace page: http://profile.myspace.com/ind…..id=7276641 You can hear cuts from the new cd as well.

Penelope from the Avengers is doing well. I saw her over the summer at one of Jimmy’s barbecues and she is still touring with a new version of the Avengers. My brother made a guest appearance with them recently. I have memories of hanging out with them backstage at the Whiskey when they performed in LA during the late seventies. I vividly remeber their torn clothes held together with safety pins and shoes wrapped with duct tape. This was all on purpose though I remember feeling sorry for them at the time.

My memories of Jimmy in Chris Isaac are way too long to list. I have never met anyone quite like Chris. The rest of the band were a blast to hang out with too, a great bunch of guys. I guess the time that sticks out in my mind is getting to sit in the famous “green room” as a guest the night they appeared on the “Johnny Carson Show.” I recall Chris badly cut his finger on something in the dressing room but still had to perform and play guitar anyway. I was always the only one that Chris would allow in the dressing room while they were tuning up to go on stage to perform.

Misspent our youth? Um…maybe not!

Loo Hoo. @ 229

wigwam @ 227

My oh my, isn’t this interesting: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..73905.html

Yes, and check that it says it was on FDL this afternoon. Funnybusiness.

Oops! I missed that. (And it wasn’t a particularly busy afternoon, so I have no excuse.)

I really enjoy reading libertarians so long as they stick to foreign policy, the rule of law, and the pernicious effects of the mainstream media and beltway culture.

Once they start talking about economics, economic regulation, taxation, welfare, and such things, they and I hav to part ways. But damn they are good on the rest of it, e.g.: http://www.antiwar.com/justin?articleid=11952

I think I got the link for Jimmy Wilsey’s website in my previous post wrong. It should be this:
http://profile.myspace.com/ind…..d=72766411

OK, Just over 2 hours since the polls closed here in Australia. Projections indicate that, given the current results, the Australian Labor Party is on course to become the next government of Australia. Among the seats that are like to change hands is Bennelong, which has been held by Prime Minister John Howard since the mid-70s. If the count continues this way, Howard will be the first Australian Prime Minister since Stanley Bruce in 1928. Yee-haa!

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Hmmmm. Per this from garlinggauge.com:

In a recent interview Elizabeth Kucinich acknowledged her husband, liberal Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich, would consider libertarian Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul as his running mate.

For many a Kucinich vs. Paul presidential race would be a dream come true.

Unfortunately, most voters do not delve deep enough into election politics and U.S. policy to give these maverick presidential campaigners a chance. However, with a whopping $5 million in donations freshly dumped into the Paul campaign coffers and an expected $12 million in the fourth quarter, it’s possible the two mavericks might team up as a third party ticket.

Such a ticket could give progressives an alternative to the Democrats, which would improve the chances of a Republican getting elected, but it would also prohibit the Democrats from taking the left for granted. Very interesting.

Silvertone at the Mab. Great memories.

persiflage @ 233

OK, Just over 2 hours since the polls closed here in Australia. Projections indicate that, given the current results, the Australian Labor Party is on course to become the next government of Australia. Among the seats that are like to change hands is Bennelong, which has been held by Prime Minister John Howard since the mid-70s. If the count continues this way, Howard will be the first Australian Prime Minister since Stanley Bruce in 1928. Yee-haa!

We’re pulling for you, persi!
Time for sleep. Hope to wake to good news down under.

wigwam @ 236

Hmmmm. Per this from garlinggauge.com:

In a recent interview Elizabeth Kucinich acknowledged her husband, liberal Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich, would consider libertarian Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul as his running mate.

For many a Kucinich vs. Paul presidential race would be a dream come true.

Unfortunately, most voters do not delve deep enough into election politics and U.S. policy to give these maverick presidential campaigners a chance. However, with a whopping $5 million in donations freshly dumped into the Paul campaign coffers and an expected $12 million in the fourth quarter, it’s possible the two mavericks might team up as a third party ticket.

Such a ticket could give progressives an alternative to the Democrats, which would improve the chances of a Republican getting elected, but it would also prohibit the Democrats from taking the left for granted. Very interesting.

I heard Paul on cspan, within the last month or so, state that he would not run on a third party ticket. How that affects the idea I have no clue.

Strategerie @ 176

fahrender @ 103

“….. when the going get’s wierd, the wierd turn pro.” HST

Fahrender, isn’t this the truth? We live and learn.

-S

yeah. Thompson was a mess, but when he was on he wrote some brilliant stuff, and prophetic ……

wigwam @ 236

Hmmmm. Per this from garlinggauge.com:

In a recent interview Elizabeth Kucinich acknowledged her husband, liberal Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich, would consider libertarian Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul as his running mate.

For many a Kucinich vs. Paul presidential race would be a dream come true.

Unfortunately, most voters do not delve deep enough into election politics and U.S. policy to give these maverick presidential campaigners a chance. However, with a whopping $5 million in donations freshly dumped into the Paul campaign coffers and an expected $12 million in the fourth quarter, it’s possible the two mavericks might team up as a third party ticket.

Such a ticket could give progressives an alternative to the Democrats, which would improve the chances of a Republican getting elected, but it would also prohibit the Democrats from taking the left for granted. Very interesting.

Yep the Democrats would trade the Hispanic, African American, and Immigrant supporter votes for the votes of the 30%ers.
Mark Penn and Rahm must be so angry that they didn’t think of this themselves.
Dennis [Mod: edited at request of commenter] had better clarify [his] statements this weekend.
Or Obama just found away to take away ALL their minority support if his campagin jumps on it.
What a perfect way to boost minority turnout, high minority voter turnout has been a GOP nightmere for a generation.

Whatever the shopping numbers are this weekend they will be lowered or revised downward later by the government.
Just like the number of Subprime losses will be revised upward.
The lies are becoiming predictable, a sure sign that nobody at the White House cares anymore to even try a believable lie.
When and why exactly did they stop careing, did they stop believing.
Is subprime that bad, or was it the lies about WMD, the outing of Valerie the CIA spy?
What has made them give up.
Its the small lies that unravel first the ones they don’t think you notice. Its when the big lies fall apart that not even the 30%ers will be able to lie to themselves anymore.

Of course if Obama does not jump on this [Mod: edited at request of commenter], Dennis Ron Paul ticket then he will look weak to the informed lefty voter base.
The danger is that the MSM might pick up the story and make Obama look as weak on race to African American voters as Hilary is on the End the war issue to Lefties.
This is not a time to be weak and indecsisive we have tried accomadation for years and all it has gotten us is 2 more terms for Bush.
The Center has broken the new Center is with the 70%ers.
All we need now is for somebody to read the St Crispin’s Day speech like they got STONES! like they got a SPINE, like they believe what they are saying and what they are saying is the most important thing to them in the world right now!

” On Wednesday Jesus’ General noticed that Paul won the coveted endorsement from the white-supremacist organization Stormfront (where we’d already noted he was a favorite). “

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2…..faces.html

So Dennis [Mod: edited at request of commenter] want[s] to run with the Stormwatch endorsed candidate? This explantion had better be good.
Otherwise Obama will have no choice but to go after them. Stormwatch is a physical threat to his base.

Abc.net.au:
Howard Congratulates Rudd on election victory

smapdi @ 245

Abc.net.au:
Howard Congratulates Rudd on election victory

Cool! Spain, Italy, England how many of the willing have lost power backing Bush?

Things Come Undone @ 243

Of course if Obama does not jump on this [Mod: edited at request of commenter], Dennis Ron Paul ticket then he will look weak to the informed lefty voter base.
The danger is that the MSM might pick up the story and make Obama look as weak on race to African American voters as Hilary is on the End the war issue to Lefties.
This is not a time to be weak and indecsisive we have tried accomadation for years and all it has gotten us is 2 more terms for Bush.
The Center has broken the new Center is with the 70%ers.
All we need now is for somebody to read the St Crispin’s Day speech like they got STONES! like they got a SPINE, like they believe what they are saying and what they are saying is the most important thing to them in the world right now!

Did Edwards say something about Paul also?

Good Morning to all!

JPL @ 247

Things Come Undone @ 243

Of course if Obama does not jump on this [Mod: edited at request of commenter], Dennis Ron Paul ticket then he will look weak to the informed lefty voter base.
The danger is that the MSM might pick up the story and make Obama look as weak on race to African American voters as Hilary is on the End the war issue to Lefties.
This is not a time to be weak and indecsisive we have tried accomadation for years and all it has gotten us is 2 more terms for Bush.
The Center has broken the new Center is with the 70%ers.
All we need now is for somebody to read the St Crispin’s Day speech like they got STONES! like they got a SPINE, like they believe what they are saying and what they are saying is the most important thing to them in the world right now!

Did Edwards say something about Paul also?

No I made a mistake Dennis and edwards both have wives named elisabeth so I assumed Edwards was also a Ron Paul supporter.

Mod if you could delete any reference to Edwards in my comments at 241, 243, 244 or just delete them I would be grateful. [Mod: Done.]
I am sorry if I freaked any Edwards people out there.
I am sorry to have insulted Edwards by suggesting he hangs out with trash like Ron Paul.
The only good thing is I caught this mistake and get a chance to apoligise before any real damage is done.

Sorry to go OT but I have a NEWS FLASH! After 11 years in power in Australia, John Howard’s right-wing Liberal Party government was tonight defeated in the General Election. The Labor Party, needing to win an additional 16 seats, has gained at least 20 and, according to some pundits, up to 28 seats. Some will hang on the counting of Postal and Prepoll votes but Howard has yet to concede but will address the media shortly.

Apart from being terrific news for us Aussies, it’s also a bit of bad news for George Bush. Among Labor’s electoral promises was the immediate withdrawal of Australian troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. Another was the ratification of the Kyoto treaty. We were among the first on board in both Afghanistan and Iraq and, in the last month we’ve had 3 deaths. There was one death (which wasn’t combat related) in the preceding 4 years. I know they’re small numbers but we’re a small country (popn 21million). As for Kyoto, when we sign up, the U.Ss will be the only stopout.
This is an excellent development. Personally, I feel great as all of the changes I hope to see go tumbling through my brain. I don’t have to be ashamed to be Australian any more. I hope that each and every one of you American Firedogs will be feeling this way next November.

Good morning pups, and mighty good news Persi!

Congrats Pers!

persiflage @ 251 –

that’s great news! thank you!

Thanks egregious. I am so happy I’m dancing around here in my jammies. Now I’m going to go and record Howard’s concession speech so I can watch it over and over and over and well, you get the idea!

persiflage @ 255

Thanks egregious. I am so happy I’m dancing around here in my jammies. Now I’m going to go and record Howard’s concession speech so I can watch it over and over and over and well, you get the idea!

lol, cool!

persiflage @ 255

Thanks egregious. I am so happy I’m dancing around here in my jammies. Now I’m going to go and record Howard’s concession speech so I can watch it over and over and over and well, you get the idea!

I read on line, MSNBC I think, that his supporters would like you to remember all the good he did, okay! Happy dancing!

persiflage @ 255

Thanks egregious. I am so happy I’m dancing around here in my jammies. Now I’m going to go and record Howard’s concession speech so I can watch it over and over and over and well, you get the idea!

Hey Persi!

Here’s a Snoopy dance for you!

And here’s Dancing In The Streets “Everywhere in the world…there’ll be dancing in the streets“

And when we win, when we push thru to the end, when we defeat the forces of darkness, there will be dancing in the streets.

Let’s celebrate what we have already won, and raise a toast to our victories in the future!

—egregious

none of the Democrats are going to be Our Savior. as for Ron Paul, he probably isn’t Satan.

old saying: “politics makes strange bedfellows.”

Kucinich was very non committal when asked about a hookup with Paul. we can certainly avoid jumping the shark on that one. what Glenn G. had to say about Paul (last week) sums it up for me.

John Edwards is still the best progressive candidate. if he proves able and willing to follow through on his clearly stated philosophy and programs it will be the worst nightmare imaginable for the Money Party and the stranglehold Corporate America has on this country.
that said, if she gets the nomination, i will vote for Hillary.

Aww Rats! John Howard’s concession speech was gracious. Not only did he concede defeat generally, he accepted that he was likely to lose his own seat. Currently, with just over 77% of the vote counted, he trails the Labor candidate, a highly-respected former public broadcaster, by 51.14% to 48.86%.

See, if you just hold on long enough, nightmares eventually end.

Good morning, pups. Bob Herbert is by himself in the NYT today, writing about the subprime and debt mess. He says while the media coverage has focused on the high rollers who created the subprime frenzy, the hapless victims have remained in the shadows, condemned to economic ruin. TOMC is off, and I hope we are all properly thankful for that.

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and I’ve got waffles with pecans and spiced peach topping. Have a great Saturday.

egregious is upstairs with the aussie good news.

Thank you Mod for making the correction I hate making mistakes. I am so sorry about including Edwards in with Dennis on the whole Ron Paul the Storm Watch endorsed candiate thing.
I weaken my own arguments and hurt the innocent when I get things wrong.

Sure the clip is from ‘78? I’d guess a year or two later by the hairstyles.

WHen I was 18 I was stealing El Duce’s drumsticks (and falling over drunk) at the Cathay de Grande. But that was Hollywood for ya.

Shell @ 216

Age 18 — aaaahhhh. It was 1971. Just graduated high school, getting ready for college. What a summer that was. No one in our high school class was drafted, so I guess the draft was either over or almost over.

We weren’t actually hippies, but we called ourselves Fake Hippies. In other words, we agreed with what they were doing. (Yes, yes, I guess I could be called a Dirty F’ing Hippie” nonetheless.)

It was before “the 60s” was over yet.

I loved that year.

‘71 the draft was still on, but those who weren’t yet 18 probably lucked out. As I turned 18 in High School in 1971 I was VERY ELIGIBLE as soon as I graduated HS. Those that turned 18 in 1972 weren’t drafted at all. The draft officially ended in March 1973. I only missed getting drafted because of the “fates”.

wigwam @ 226

Loo Hoo. @ 224

Would Bloomberg’s religion have an effect on his electability? Like it could for Romney?

My guess is that it would not. And, so far as I know, Lieberman’s religion didn’t become an issue when he was on the ticket in 2000 (as VP).

My concerns about Bloomberg are not so much about the possibility that he’d win, but that he might tend to damage the Democratic candidate more than the Republican, possibly enough to throw the outcome of the election.

I thought Bloomberg said he wasn’t going to run. Why would he get back in now?

Attending free concerts at American U.

18. Beatles on Ed Sullivan. Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan. Pre-FSM Berkeley, CA. Woke up politically that summer at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, Arlington Cemetary.

Video from the Mabuhay?
Long live the Screamers!

I was in Nam. I was wrong, and it was stupid, but there I was. And I still don’t know where all the time went.

At 18? It was 1963 and I was at the Air Force Academy.

I was deciding that I liked Prokofiev and Bartok better than Beethoven and Mussorgsky.

Don’t you get any intellectuals hanging around on this site?

JH