Over at Daily Kos today, DHinMI has a post on a theme that I've written about here in the past:
We're approaching an election where it's not just Democrats or the left side of our national political spectrum that hungers for bold, assertive politics and a dramatic change of course. The views of many of the people associated with the Netroots really are the majority because they’re not just the left, but they’re the left and the center. We are the mainstream.
. . . The principles and beliefs of "the left," or the Netroots, or the Democratic party have long—and effectively—been derided by the GOP as "elitist," as fringe, as hostile to Middle America or "mainstream values." But it’s becoming clear to Americans who aren’t strong partisans that it’s the GOP that’s out of the mainstream. It's the GOP that’s out of touch with "mainstream values," and that it’s actually the Democrats who best represent the beliefs, aspirations and values of most Americans.
I know TRex passed along some thoughts about Thanksgiving conversation gambits last night, but I'd like to add my own advice on what you can do around the dinner table tonight to support the realignment mentality DHinMI discusses.
Don't worry, this isn't going to get wonkish and/or philosophical -- I've been there and done that. I'll just keep it simple: When the subject turns to anything related to Dubya or the Republicans and their view of the world, respond as any "mainstream" person would when a ridiculous notion is brought up -- with a dismissive laugh and as much disbelief as you can muster that anyone would espouse such nonsense.
I'll let you work out the specifics to match the subject matter... just remember that a large part of the GOP effort to pose as "mainstream" all these years has been to marginalize Democrats by making them seem ludicrous (hence all the huffing and puffing about haircuts, earth tones, etc.). It's long past time that we turned the tables.
So please, whatever you and your relatives talk about this holiday, remember to make as much fun of George Bush as possible. Keep the handy riposte, "Yeah, right. Don't you feel stupid believing that?" written on a napkin or something, if it helps.
Have a great Thanksgiving, and thanks for honoring the vital role that scorn plays in our national discourse.
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that’s two in a row!
I match your scorn and raise you 5 scorns.
Have a great Thanksgiving all! We’re off to feast with friends who are almost as radical as we are.
TexBetsy @ 4
Enjoy, TB! Nice Job, Swopa! Happy Thanksgiving Day!
TexBetsy @ 2
Congrats Betsy! You got the TradZed and I got the ZeDigg.
While your at it ask your cousins/Aunts/brother-in-law/etc. if….
You want poison with that toy?
…for their newly born child. The underlying facts behind the ‘date rape drugs’ and lead in kid’s toys are enough to send most parents looking for a rope for Mr. Decider and his Cronies. Seriously, check this out ’cause a lot of what you think you know about regulation of chemicals in the U.S. is….
Not quite correct.
TexBetsy @ 4
Oh boy, I wish.
We’re off to dinner with 2 non-political types and 2 wingnuts who are really nice.
The “stupid” thing won’t fly because there is already some sensitivity there on that topic….
Thank you! That is the exact photo I was hoping to see somewhere!
Remember, fowl have a pecking order. And may the fowls peck him down to the bottom of the pecking order!
May there be a Thanksgiving when that turkey is not pardoned.
Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone still here…
TexBetsy @ 4
Have a great dinner, Betsy. Best wishes to all.
Jane, Happy Thanksgiving to you too. I luvs ya!
Happy Thanksgiving everyone. On a light note, from dkos, Josiah Bartlet gets advice on cooking turkey from the Butterball hotline:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4TcGEcKjSu4
No place I’d rather relax with cool people than at the Lake!
Reelin’ in the Years - Steely Dan (live)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkEjUkgBTF4
Still one of the best Thanksgiving renters…
Home for the Holidays - Holly Hunter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGH0uZDnUZg
Pakistan suspended from Commonwealth. Second time in 8 years. Other time was Musharraf coup; after 5 years was reinstated.
Thank you, Swopa.
This is how we win. With clear thinking and principled discussion. Trolls beware - DFH’s like pow wow are prowling these waters and the worst you have will get squashed thusly. I’m personally fortunate that family gatherings for me have always been of the “Lefty” variety.
And someone please tell me why this kind of intellectual bravado resides here, but not in the halls of Congress…
Creamed scorn.. make it through a second helping today folks.
Eureka Springs @ 18
Served with Rahm-en noodles?
Speaking of turkeys…
Let’s have a look at corruption in the two Washingtons:
State of Washington–
1) Rob McKenna, the Washington Attorney General, FAILS to enforce the Washington Building Code. More at http://renovationtrap.com/ag/index.html .
2) Mitt Romney panders to our favorite defense contractor’s PAC. More at http://www.washblog.com/story/2007/11/20/25754/158 .
Washington, DC–
Porn novelist pens misleading statements for paid liar to mouth who now wants to sell his book & profit of it:
“Flashback: How Scooter Libby Tried to Script Scott McClellan’s Lies” at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....3766.html.
Thanks Swopa. Here in the deepest Westcountry of the UK on Saturday I’m a guest forThanksgiving with a seriously pleasant expatriate US wingnut. As he’s my host I shall have to be careful, but scorn, politely expressed, seems in order.
Toby Wollin @ 19
Oh that one hurt.
Jane Hamsher @ 22
I agree..too much starch.
A.Citizen @ 7
A quick listing of the most recent (within the last day) US Consumer Product Safety Commission report:
Flashing Pacifiers Recalled By Sailing (U.S.) International Corp. Due to Choking Hazard - The nipple can detach from the base, posing a choking hazard to young children.
Elmo USA Corp. Recalls Visual Presenters Due to Fire Hazard - Improperly installed fluorescent top lights in the presenter can overheat, posing a fire hazard.
Slipcovers Used With Boppy Pillows Recalled Due to Choking Hazard and Risk of Lead Exposure - The zipper pull on the slipcovers can break, posing a choking hazard to young children. In addition, paint on the zippers contains excess levels of lead, which violates the federal lead paint standard…
Children’s Pencil Pouches Recalled by Raymond Geddes & Co. Due to Violation of Lead Paint Standard - The paint on the pencil pouches’ zipper pulls contains excessive levels of lead, violating the federal lead paint standard.
Children’s Metal Jewelry Recalled by Buy-Rite Due to Risk of Lead Exposure - . The recalled jewelry contains high levels of lead. Lead is toxic if ingested by young children and can cause adverse health effects.
Cherrydale Fundraising Recalls Bracelets Due to Risk of Lead Exposure - The bracelets contain high levels of lead. Lead is toxic if ingested by young children and can cause adverse health effects.
Children’s Metal Jewelry Recalled by Colossal Jewelry & Accessories Due to Risk of Lead Exposure - The recalled jewelry contains high levels of lead. Lead is toxic if ingested by young children and can cause adverse health effects.
La Femme NY Inc. Recalls Children’s Necklace and Earring Sets Due to Risk of Lead Exposure - The recalled jewelry contains high levels of lead. Lead is toxic if ingested by young children and can cause adverse health effects.
Pure Allure Recalls Metal Jewelry Sold at Michaels Stores Due to Risk of Lead Exposure to Children - The recalled metal jewelry contains high levels of lead. Lead is toxic if ingested by young children and can cause adverse health effects.
Discount School Supply Recalls Paint Brushes Due to Violation of Lead Paint Standard
Argggggggggggggggggggggggh…
Refill on wine?
Sarah McLachlan - Building A Mystery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AFDHia51Do
anybody on verizon?
tw3k @ 26
Comcast. How you doin?
newtonusr @ 27
Good, thanks! How about you?
I’m thankful for US.
Outside - Staind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMiSiTcz5lo
tw3k @ 28
Great. Dinner in an hour, but the football has stunk.
Installed Leopard on a 867 G4… Fresh install.
newtonusr @ 30
:o nice! I <3 fresh installs :D
tw3k @ 31
Next, I clone my original, tired volume into the other partition and upgrade it. Can’t wait to see what I can’t do…
I’ve been tinkering with opensolaris. man x windows feels clunky after 7 years of osx.
made me realize how much I use right-click lookup word.
newtonusr @ 32
any filevault troubles?
Happy Thanksgiving all!
Balrog! Happy returns to you!
Turkey-stock Nation!
punaise @ 37
tryptophan station!
tw3k @ 38
Terrapin Station
Dinner’s over. Burp.
Balrog @ 39
our turkey has rings on its fingers and bells on its toes
tw3k @ 34
I saw that piece. Sadly, or perhaps thankfully, me and FileVault aren’t on speaking terms. I will test it out next week, but for now, I’m spared that siege.
Off to dinner, Pups!
See you all soon!
punaise @ 41
I always knew you were not like other girls.
Balrog @ 43
Is this the end or the beginning?
Roughly 43 days until Iowa Primary day.
Newtonusr - left you a reply in EPUland.
Eureka Springs @ 45
How about firedog delegates?
punaise @ 41
And a bone through its nose oh oh.
tw3k @ 47
That would actually be Iowa Caucus day. NH is the first primary in 48 days.
Here is one for radio :D
BIG BROTHER & THE HOLDING COMPANY - THE COOCOO
dakine01 @ 49
so the national convention is just an after party or what?
In conversation, when someone says they are Republican, i go into sympathetic mode, and say “Oh, dear! It’s gotta be embarrassing to say that nowadays - especially since this criminal crew has ruined the party for good conservatives. What a shame all this has happened in the name of such a respectable party.”
Do join me in a new thread.
It is amusing to note the denial and ignorance from the Left–who are the true fringe.
“Would you like to see the number of illegal immigrants currently in this country increased, decreased, or remain the same?”–CNN Poll
7% favored an increase.
69% favored a decrease
“Do you favor or oppose the death penalty for persons convicted of murder?”
65% favor
32% oppose
“As you may know, the federal income tax cuts passed into law since George W. Bush became president are set to expire within the next several years. Would you favor or oppose making those tax cuts permanent?”–CNN Poll
57% Favor
37% Opposed
“Now thinking about taxes: Do you consider the amount of federal income tax you have to pay as too high, about right, or too low?”–Gallup Poll
53% say taxes too high
2% say taxes too low.
“The Supreme Court also recently upheld a federal restriction on the procedure known as partial birth abortion, banning the procedure except when a woman’s life is at risk. Do you approve or disapprove of this decision?”–ABC Poll
55% favor restricting partial birth abortion
43% oppose
“Do you think there should or should not be a law that would ban the possession of handguns, except by the police and other authorized persons?”–Gallup Poll
30% say ban handguns
68% say keep handguns
“Recently there has been some discussion about the possibility of the United States building a defense system against nuclear missiles. Do you think the government should or should not spend the money that would be required for research and possible development of such a system, or are you unsure?”–Gallup Poll
46% favor
21% oppose
“Some people feel the U.S. should try to develop a ground and space based missile defense system to protect the U.S. from missile attack. Others oppose such an effort because they say it would be too costly and might interfere with existing arms treaties with the Russians. Which position comes closer to your view?”–CNN Poll
52% support
40% oppose
tw3k @ 51
Well that has always been the intent of having the emphasis on both the caucuses and primaries. They were the reaction and counter to the old fashioned “smoke filled back room deals” of legend.
After watching Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Shumer, Clinton, Obama, Edwards, et.al., I’m not too thrilled about the Democrats either. I’ll keep my mouth shut and pray for a real second party.
Happy Thanksgiving to all of you folks, too. :-)
EagleX @ 54
Have a happy Thanksgiving!
I’m visiting my parents in the wilds of West Virginia, where my Mom watches Fox News and believes that WMD from Iraq were taken to Syria “because you hear it so much.”
Tonight, after a fabulous turkey dinner followed by a nice visit with my grandmother, we watched the inexcusably stupid Deck the Halls, after which my Mom switched on Fox News.
“Rrrrrrrnnnh!” says I. “I don’t watch Fox News.”
( she knows this, as i mention it every time i visit and see fox news on their tv )
“Okay,” she says, leaving the TV tuned to a FNC anchortwit bleating some sort of sensationalistic crap.
So I pack up my laptop and the Xmas CDs I’m re-ripping and head upstairs, after letting fly with “Fox News is not news, it’s conservative propaganda.”
Happy Thanksgiving!
On the middle being more to the left than we think: My wife and I spent last weekend in Chicago, and got in touch with friends from the suburbs. He is head of the high school music programme at a pricey suburban high school and she teaches there. They are white, very suburban, and very Christian. We got together at a downtown jazz club, where a friend of his was playing.
Unsolicited by me (I was on strict orders from Mrs. Knut not to discuss any potentially irritating topics of conversation) both of them began to light into the Bush administration for destroying our civil liberties. Granted, they are educated, but not over-educated like so many of us here. But they understood the social security scam that the thugs tried to pull off, they understood the WMD scam, and they understood, without my prompting, the FISA scam. And they understood what Paul Krugman has been writing about in his last book. That the Democrats are good for ordinary people.
They are leaders in their ommunity. I think that if they are representative of that community, we are on a roll. Let’s hope our representatives understand that, and make the most of it. So much can go wrong, and yet, hope is all we have.
Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
When in conversation someone admits to being a republican I’ll usually say something like”funny, you don’t LOOK retarded?!” Sorry, there is NOTHING funny about this bunch of world class murdering war criminals. N-O-T-H-N-G!
EagleX @ 54
Really now! I though that no one would have said “increased” to this. Even immigration advocates want those undocumented individuals given the opportunity to become “legal”. So they want those numbers “reduced”, also.
“Do you favor or oppose the death penalty for persons convicted of murder?”
Many people who oppose the current death penalty, which is used for teenagers, or acts of passion, don’t oppose it under SOME circumstances…for example serial or mass murderers.
“As you may know, the federal income tax cuts passed into law since George W. Bush became president are set to expire within the next several years. Would you favor or oppose making those tax cuts permanent?”–CNN Poll
The question doesn’t distinguish which tax cuts are being referred to.
“Now thinking about taxes: Do you consider the amount of federal income tax you have to pay as too high, about right, or too low?”
But if you asked if the taxes are too low for the wealthy they’d say YES. Except the wealthy that is.
And if they were asked if they had to pay “as they go” for various services (and given the prices for those services) they’d change their answer.
“The Supreme Court also recently upheld a federal restriction on the procedure known as partial birth abortion, banning the procedure except when a woman’s life is at risk. Do you approve or disapprove of this decision?”
First there is no such thing as “partial birth abortion” (and that term isn’t used in the law). The question implied that this was a medical decision made by her doctor…as in all previous cases of this type of late-term abortion. The new restrictions took such decisions out of the hands of the doctors and made them subject to criminal charges if they did make this decision.
I’d also point out that many of your “surveys” are decades old. The questions about the Star Wars were clearly done back in the Reagan era since says “recently there has been talk of building a system…”
That was the state of things back in the 1980’s…BEFORE the repeated billion funding and failures of the tests to try to create a viable and successful system that could work against an opponents ICBM’s that used simple evasive methods.
cinnamonape @ 61
Great response, cinnamonape!
Thank you. Some people just don’t know how to play with the grown ups, do they?
I’d also point out that many of your “surveys” are decades old. The questions about the Star Wars were clearly done back in the Reagan era since says “recently there has been talk of building a system…”–cinnamonape
The U.S. military has requested 2.2% of next year’s defense budget to go toward development
and deployment of missile defense. Do you think Congress should support this request?–Opinion Research Corporation, July, 2007
73% Yes
21% No
Ignorance is bliss.