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		<title>By: Jim Goodson</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/dissent-something-to-be-thankful-for/#comment-1112209</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Goodson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Being thankful just does not cut it. Sit on your asses and become a slave state.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being thankful just does not cut it. Sit on your asses and become a slave state.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Goodson</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/dissent-something-to-be-thankful-for/#comment-1112105</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Goodson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My Brothers: You need to protest more than just a little place like Miami, Fla. You cannot protest in Washington,because Bush is going to make sure you cannot afford the gas to get there. Do not labor on election day, and go VOTE. Or accept the status quo.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Brothers: You need to protest more than just a little place like Miami, Fla. You cannot protest in Washington,because Bush is going to make sure you cannot afford the gas to get there. Do not labor on election day, and go VOTE. Or accept the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/dissent-something-to-be-thankful-for/#comment-1112097</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dissent=treason.  Get used to it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dissent=treason.  Get used to it.</p>
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		<title>By: wethornet</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/dissent-something-to-be-thankful-for/#comment-1111423</link>
		<dc:creator>wethornet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i have friends who were at the ftaa protest in miami.  what the cops and their political masters did there was simply beyond the pale.  fascists.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have friends who were at the ftaa protest in miami.  what the cops and their political masters did there was simply beyond the pale.  fascists.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/dissent-something-to-be-thankful-for/#comment-1111243</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1110972&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 25&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/2007-11-20-first-thanksgiving_N.htm&quot;&gt;http://www.usatoday.com/life/l.....ving_N.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Link to a Thanksgiving Story…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The first Thanksgiving in the US was celebrated in St. Augustine Florida between spanish settlers and local indians- they had bean soup- not turkey.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This story has apparently INFURIATED most who have heard it..even people in St. Augustine. Why? Well it’s bad enough to be reminded that the first settlement in what became the USA was not in New England but in Florida. It’s worse to be told that the first settlers were NOT Northern European English speaking protestants but swarthy catholic spaniards!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s really too much for americans to bear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bury the story!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The true story of who and when and where America was first settled is amazing and not what conventional mythology tells us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then, go back to who first discovered America and how long they were here and what they did and you get an entirely different story of some interest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People have been here a long time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, one reason the Vikings didn’t stay here (Eastern Canada probably) was there were too many people here and they didn’t want to crowd in. Amazing, eh?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1110972"><em>rwcole @ 25</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/2007-11-20-first-thanksgiving_N.htm">http://www.usatoday.com/life/l&#8230;..ving_N.htm</a></p>
<p>Link to a Thanksgiving Story…</p>
<p>The first Thanksgiving in the US was celebrated in St. Augustine Florida between spanish settlers and local indians- they had bean soup- not turkey.</p>
<p>This story has apparently INFURIATED most who have heard it..even people in St. Augustine. Why? Well it’s bad enough to be reminded that the first settlement in what became the USA was not in New England but in Florida. It’s worse to be told that the first settlers were NOT Northern European English speaking protestants but swarthy catholic spaniards!!</p>
<p>It’s really too much for americans to bear.</p>
<p>Bury the story!!</p>
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<p>The true story of who and when and where America was first settled is amazing and not what conventional mythology tells us.</p>
<p>Then, go back to who first discovered America and how long they were here and what they did and you get an entirely different story of some interest.</p>
<p>People have been here a long time.</p>
<p>BTW, one reason the Vikings didn’t stay here (Eastern Canada probably) was there were too many people here and they didn’t want to crowd in. Amazing, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Praedor Atrebates</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/dissent-something-to-be-thankful-for/#comment-1111120</link>
		<dc:creator>Praedor Atrebates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think we need to protest the whole concept of the “free speech zone”.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have been yelling about this for a long time.  The entire country is a free speech zone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I want those atrocities against the Constitution eliminated.  Protests must be allowed up to the steps of Congress AND outside the gates of the White House.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think we need to protest the whole concept of the “free speech zone”.</p>
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<p>I have been yelling about this for a long time.  The entire country is a free speech zone.</p>
<p>I want those atrocities against the Constitution eliminated.  Protests must be allowed up to the steps of Congress AND outside the gates of the White House.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/dissent-something-to-be-thankful-for/#comment-1111042</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1111006&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;CTuttle @ 59&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1111000&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;newtonusr @ 53&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I think the ‘Boys are headed for a fall - a bit overconfident right now.&lt;br /&gt;
But last week I thought the same thing about the Pats against the Bills…&lt;br /&gt;
What the heck do I know?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That was a Blow-out!  My Broncos are mounting a serious comeback in the AFC West, fortunately!  I’d almost wrote them off…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;YOUR Broncos??? Have we got a Colorado in Exile community here in Hawaii???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Happy Spam Day!  :-)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1111006"><em>CTuttle @ 59</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1111000"><em>newtonusr @ 53</em></a></p>
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I think the ‘Boys are headed for a fall &#8211; a bit overconfident right now.<br />
But last week I thought the same thing about the Pats against the Bills…<br />
What the heck do I know?</p>
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<p>That was a Blow-out!  My Broncos are mounting a serious comeback in the AFC West, fortunately!  I’d almost wrote them off…</p>
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<p>YOUR Broncos??? Have we got a Colorado in Exile community here in Hawaii???</p>
<p>Happy Spam Day!  :-)</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1110954&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Eureka Springs @ 10&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you have a good memory! *g*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1110958&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;NorskeFlamethrower @ 14&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;1,666 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Citizen Tula Connell and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“And we have not experienced total authoritarian suppression only because we never give up the fight.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks Tula, but I’m afraid we HAVE experienced total authoritarian suppression…the rally was suppressed, attention was turned from the issues around the rally and the politics to the picture of “those people” in the street gettin’ their heads beaten.  Even if there is a settlement or a jury award the suppression was successful.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;no, NFT - &lt;em&gt;we succeeded&lt;/em&gt;… please note that the ftaa never got further than the talks. we don’t have an ftaa today &lt;em&gt;because&lt;/em&gt; of the resistence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we can succeed - even in the face of violent repression - if we stand together.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1110954"><em>Eureka Springs @ 10</em></a> &#8211; </p>
<p>you have a good memory! *g*</p>
<p><a href="#comment-1110958"><em>NorskeFlamethrower @ 14</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>1,666 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..</p>
<p>Citizen Tula Connell and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:</p>
<p>“And we have not experienced total authoritarian suppression only because we never give up the fight.”</p>
<p>Thanks Tula, but I’m afraid we HAVE experienced total authoritarian suppression…the rally was suppressed, attention was turned from the issues around the rally and the politics to the picture of “those people” in the street gettin’ their heads beaten.  Even if there is a settlement or a jury award the suppression was successful.</p>
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<p>no, NFT &#8211; <em>we succeeded</em>… please note that the ftaa never got further than the talks. we don’t have an ftaa today <em>because</em> of the resistence.</p>
<p>we can succeed &#8211; even in the face of violent repression &#8211; if we stand together.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/dissent-something-to-be-thankful-for/#comment-1111018</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;tula!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thank you so much for this post and the update. i went down to miami for the week in 2003 with members of the pagan cluster and volunteered with national lawyers’ guild during the protests.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;here’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://flickr.com/photos/selise/241525147/&quot;&gt;a pic&lt;/a&gt; i took after some nice anarchists rinsed the pepper spray out of my eyes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i saw young people beaten bloody, was pepper sprayed and tear gassed, the police used concussion grenades and fired hundreds of rounds of rubber bullets and pepper balls indescrimantly into crowds of poeple doing nothing wrong.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and when i (along with about 80 other people doing nothing wrong) were detained for a couple of hours “for our safety” (we were told we’d be arrested if we tried to leave) - it was union reps that came and negotiated our release (even though we weren’t there with the unions).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the union people i met were so great - and not just for getting us released….  the steelworkers union brought pallets of water bottles to the center organized by the global justice groups (called anti-globalization activists in the msm)… and in spokes council meetings the union reps worked with anarachists to try to prevent the planned direct actions from putting the retired groups at greater risk of getting tear gassed. and it wasn’t just usa union people… it was so inspiring to hear from union reps from mexico and guatemala (iirc) and enviornmental justices activists and human rights activists and democracy activists…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;when so many groups work together in solidarity we have power.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tula!</p>
<p>thank you so much for this post and the update. i went down to miami for the week in 2003 with members of the pagan cluster and volunteered with national lawyers’ guild during the protests.</p>
<p>here’s <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/selise/241525147/">a pic</a> i took after some nice anarchists rinsed the pepper spray out of my eyes.</p>
<p>i saw young people beaten bloody, was pepper sprayed and tear gassed, the police used concussion grenades and fired hundreds of rounds of rubber bullets and pepper balls indescrimantly into crowds of poeple doing nothing wrong.</p>
<p>and when i (along with about 80 other people doing nothing wrong) were detained for a couple of hours “for our safety” (we were told we’d be arrested if we tried to leave) &#8211; it was union reps that came and negotiated our release (even though we weren’t there with the unions).</p>
<p>the union people i met were so great &#8211; and not just for getting us released….  the steelworkers union brought pallets of water bottles to the center organized by the global justice groups (called anti-globalization activists in the msm)… and in spokes council meetings the union reps worked with anarachists to try to prevent the planned direct actions from putting the retired groups at greater risk of getting tear gassed. and it wasn’t just usa union people… it was so inspiring to hear from union reps from mexico and guatemala (iirc) and enviornmental justices activists and human rights activists and democracy activists…</p>
<p>when so many groups work together in solidarity we have power.</p>
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		<title>By: TexBetsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TexBetsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just zedded&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/alices-restaurant-on-thanksgiving/&quot;&gt; Alice’s Restaurant and Jane &lt;/a&gt;upstairs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just zedded<a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/alices-restaurant-on-thanksgiving/"> Alice’s Restaurant and Jane </a>upstairs.</p>
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