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		<title>By: POWWOWO500</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/being-thankful-this-isnt-me/#comment-1110887</link>
		<dc:creator>POWWOWO500</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Happy Thanksgiving to all.  I’m thankful for this community, though I mainly lurk.  But I’m a faithful and frequent lurker!  Am cooking an oyster stew as part of a group meal today.  Very easy, and so delicious!  See Joy of Cooking cookbook for oyster stew.  It is also great for New Year’s eve or any other $pecial meal.  Thanks to all of you who show up here at this site.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Thanksgiving to all.  I’m thankful for this community, though I mainly lurk.  But I’m a faithful and frequent lurker!  Am cooking an oyster stew as part of a group meal today.  Very easy, and so delicious!  See Joy of Cooking cookbook for oyster stew.  It is also great for New Year’s eve or any other $pecial meal.  Thanks to all of you who show up here at this site.</p>
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		<title>By: kittykitty</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/being-thankful-this-isnt-me/#comment-1110848</link>
		<dc:creator>kittykitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1110693&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;RevDeb @ 63&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;November 22. I remember the thanksgiving holiday in 1963. It was a very very somber and sad time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A moment of silence in remembrance of Camelot that never was.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;amen to that. and a happy thanksgiving to all of you who are kind enough to let me feel connected to thinking people whenever i drop in. best of times to everyone. and to those who are working through loss this day, all things must pass, listen to a little george h.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;with love,&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>November 22. I remember the thanksgiving holiday in 1963. It was a very very somber and sad time.</p>
<p>A moment of silence in remembrance of Camelot that never was.</p>
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<p>amen to that. and a happy thanksgiving to all of you who are kind enough to let me feel connected to thinking people whenever i drop in. best of times to everyone. and to those who are working through loss this day, all things must pass, listen to a little george h.</p>
<p>with love,</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1110779&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;eCAHNomics @ 145&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;James I (the “gay” king &lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why do you say that? I just scanned his entry on wiki &amp; he seems to have been married, had kids &amp; had romantic relationships with other women as well.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually probably bisexual, although his relationship with Anne of Denmark was long-lasting it was intense in only the earliest stages. Anne seemed to be in almost a co-dependent relationship with some of James’ male “favourites”. Perhaps she was willing to accede to his male relationships because she feared him having illegitimate heirs with mistresses. His other female “love” was with Anne Murray who was married.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But James was really odd. He actually   a “gift”  the marriage of Robert Carr, one of his favourites (who was likely straight, but swept into a sexual relationship with the King),  and then freaked out that he was no longer in love with James and sharing the bed with his wife instead of the King.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here are three of James V male friends…and the comments that he made to them in his letters, and the reports of those close to him, are interesting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esm&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esm&lt;/a&gt;é_Stewart,_1st_Duke_of_Lennox &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wapedia.mobi/en/Robert_Carr,_1st_Earl_of_Somerset&quot;&gt;http://wapedia.mobi/en/Robert_.....f_Somerset&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wapedia.mobi/en/George_Villiers,_1st_Duke_of_Buckingham&quot;&gt;http://wapedia.mobi/en/George_.....Buckingham&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1110779"><em>eCAHNomics @ 145</em></a></p>
<blockquote><blockquote>James I (the “gay” king </p></blockquote>
<p>Why do you say that? I just scanned his entry on wiki &amp; he seems to have been married, had kids &amp; had romantic relationships with other women as well.</p>
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<p>Actually probably bisexual, although his relationship with Anne of Denmark was long-lasting it was intense in only the earliest stages. Anne seemed to be in almost a co-dependent relationship with some of James’ male “favourites”. Perhaps she was willing to accede to his male relationships because she feared him having illegitimate heirs with mistresses. His other female “love” was with Anne Murray who was married.</p>
<p>But James was really odd. He actually   a “gift”  the marriage of Robert Carr, one of his favourites (who was likely straight, but swept into a sexual relationship with the King),  and then freaked out that he was no longer in love with James and sharing the bed with his wife instead of the King.</p>
<p>Here are three of James V male friends…and the comments that he made to them in his letters, and the reports of those close to him, are interesting.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esm">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esm</a>é_Stewart,_1st_Duke_of_Lennox </p>
<p><a href="http://wapedia.mobi/en/Robert_Carr,_1st_Earl_of_Somerset">http://wapedia.mobi/en/Robert_&#8230;..f_Somerset</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://wapedia.mobi/en/George_Villiers,_1st_Duke_of_Buckingham">http://wapedia.mobi/en/George_&#8230;..Buckingham</a></p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/being-thankful-this-isnt-me/#comment-1110827</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1110792&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SunnyNobility @ 155&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;NPR (classical) is doing familiar evocative religious and secular stuff.  Lots of Ave Maria versions last night.  This am Hallalujah chorus and now We Gather Together.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(((the excellent firepups)))&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remembering other times w/damp eyes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I get to thinking about my grandparents and sitting around the table with my six brothers and sisters and having Dad alive and…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1110792"><em>SunnyNobility @ 155</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>NPR (classical) is doing familiar evocative religious and secular stuff.  Lots of Ave Maria versions last night.  This am Hallalujah chorus and now We Gather Together.</p>
<p>(((the excellent firepups)))</p>
<p>Remembering other times w/damp eyes.</p>
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<p>Yeah, I get to thinking about my grandparents and sitting around the table with my six brothers and sisters and having Dad alive and…</p>
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		<title>By: SunnyNobility</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunnyNobility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;NPR (classical) is doing familiar evocative religious and secular stuff.  Lots of Ave Maria versions last night.  This am Hallalujah chorus and now We Gather Together.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(((the excellent firepups)))&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remembering other times w/damp eyes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPR (classical) is doing familiar evocative religious and secular stuff.  Lots of Ave Maria versions last night.  This am Hallalujah chorus and now We Gather Together.</p>
<p>(((the excellent firepups)))</p>
<p>Remembering other times w/damp eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1110785&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 151&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1110780&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 146&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;cinnamonape, in their defense, Cape Cod wasn’t Virginia&lt;br /&gt;
and since half of them died that first winter, they did pay a price&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would have done it too. They arrived way too late to make any planting, and likely had no other choice. And, like the originals, offered recompense. I suspect that Squanto was behind all of that. Myles Standish was a bit of a brute, even stabbing a native chief in the throat who called him “Shorty”.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He was one of the Blackwaters of the day, he wasn’t a Puritan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1110785"><em>cinnamonape @ 151</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1110780"><em>Elliott @ 146</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>cinnamonape, in their defense, Cape Cod wasn’t Virginia<br />
and since half of them died that first winter, they did pay a price</p>
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<p>I would have done it too. They arrived way too late to make any planting, and likely had no other choice. And, like the originals, offered recompense. I suspect that Squanto was behind all of that. Myles Standish was a bit of a brute, even stabbing a native chief in the throat who called him “Shorty”.</p>
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<p>He was one of the Blackwaters of the day, he wasn’t a Puritan.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Corruption upstairs&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/dodging-corruption-bullets/&quot;&gt;http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....n-bullets/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corruption upstairs<br />
<a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/dodging-corruption-bullets/">http://www.firedoglake.com/200&#8230;..n-bullets/</a></p>
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		<title>By: NZ Expat, now in KS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NZ Expat, now in KS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We are going to have to drop the expat nomenclature, I guess.  I thought I was going to be in the States for a year, until my son graduates from high school and heads off to college.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the husband has accepted a job in Montana, so that will apparently be my next stop.  However, we will still have residency down in NZ and we have friends who want my son if there is ever a draft.  I spent some winter time in Minnesota and Fairbanks,  so I guess I’ll survive winter in Montana.  And start my hidden hole for money to spend Januarys in NZ!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are going to have to drop the expat nomenclature, I guess.  I thought I was going to be in the States for a year, until my son graduates from high school and heads off to college.  </p>
<p>But the husband has accepted a job in Montana, so that will apparently be my next stop.  However, we will still have residency down in NZ and we have friends who want my son if there is ever a draft.  I spent some winter time in Minnesota and Fairbanks,  so I guess I’ll survive winter in Montana.  And start my hidden hole for money to spend Januarys in NZ!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/being-thankful-this-isnt-me/#comment-1110785</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1110780&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 146&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;cinnamonape, in their defense, Cape Cod wasn’t Virginia&lt;br /&gt;
and since half of them died that first winter, they did pay a price&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would have done it too. They arrived way too late to make any planting, and likely had no other choice. And, like the originals, offered recompense. I suspect that Squanto was behind all of that. Myles Standish was a bit of a brute, even stabbing a native chief in the throat who called him “Shorty”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1110780"><em>Elliott @ 146</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>cinnamonape, in their defense, Cape Cod wasn’t Virginia<br />
and since half of them died that first winter, they did pay a price</p>
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<p>I would have done it too. They arrived way too late to make any planting, and likely had no other choice. And, like the originals, offered recompense. I suspect that Squanto was behind all of that. Myles Standish was a bit of a brute, even stabbing a native chief in the throat who called him “Shorty”.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/22/being-thankful-this-isnt-me/#comment-1110784</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1110780&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 145&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;cinnamonape, in their defense, Cape Cod wasn’t Virginia&lt;br /&gt;
and since half of them died that first winter, they did pay a price&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Having just visited Jamestwon last month, I learned that VA setters were not any better, and perhaps worse, at providing for their own sustenance, than the 20-years-later Pilgrims.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1110780"><em>Elliott @ 145</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>cinnamonape, in their defense, Cape Cod wasn’t Virginia<br />
and since half of them died that first winter, they did pay a price</p>
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<p>Having just visited Jamestwon last month, I learned that VA setters were not any better, and perhaps worse, at providing for their own sustenance, than the 20-years-later Pilgrims.</p>
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