SNL’s Will Forte and Kristen Wiig on pencils and you…
Now this is a great idea — Pencils to Moguls — talk about getting your point across!
Back in 2000, Jack Lemmon won both an Emmy and a Golden Globe for acting. During one of those acceptance speeches, he stood before the audience, an icon of substantial stature and acting chops…and he thanked the writers, without whom he would not have been able to act so well in so many brilliant roles. Because without the writers, those roles would never have been so brilliantly scripted, and all those memorable characters would never have had all those pitch perfect lines to deliver.
“Some Like It Lukewarm” just doesn’t have the same pizzaz.
I happened to be watching that particular awards show with a friend of mine who works in television as a writer. (She worked with Joe Straczynski, a fabulous writer in his own right, on Babylon 5 and Crusade, among other gigs with other shows through the years.) And I remember how much it meant to her that Lemmon stood on the stage and thanked the writers.
Because, frankly, they far too rarely get the credit they deserve for their creative impact on the magic we see on screen. Without the writers, the memorable lines, the poignant stories, the well-set scenes, the characterizations that pull you into to the world of fantasy and shadows on the screen — none of it works, and you get stuck with idiocy like Kid Nation and/or Fear Factor.
Gack.
The above YouTube is a take off on an idea that started with some fans of Joss Whedon and took on a life of its own. And I think it is a brilliant way to get the point across that fans of various shows not only appreciate what the writers do and value it for what it brings to their lives — but that the studios ought to value quality work as well. Or those fans are likely to stop paying money for all those products the studios want them to buy.
You make a shitload of money off someone else’s words, you ought to compensate them fairly for all of the work that goes into the writing. It isn’t easy to sit down in front of the keyboard and invent an entire world and a bunch of characters and plots and well-developed stories out of thin air. It’s especially difficult to write good dialogue that isn’t stilted or choppy. And when that is pulled off in a way that is both brilliantly done and memorable, the lines from a good script can live and take on a life of their own for years. Shouldn’t the creative minds who provide us with an escape from reality for an hour or two on screen be paid fairly for the hours of meetings and irritation with the studio suits, the constant fighting to keep the creative process clean, the 4 am wake-up to the perfect line, the endless pots of coffee and the levels of ego through which they have to struggle simply to get a script approved? Let alone shot, in the can, and on the screen?
Jane got it absolutely right the other day when she said that video and DVD sales have opened up a huge revenue stream for the studios — and since all of those aftermarket sales were initially dependent on putting together a story that people want to see again and again, it is only fair that the creative minds who wrote those stories in the first place are properly compensated for their work. Otherwise, the media moguls are just profit-hungry greedy assholes who are stealing from the writers to further line their own pockets.
I think Dickens already wrote that, don’t you, Ebenezer?
There was a huge rally yesterday in support of the WGA. Skippy was there and provides pictures and a firsthand report. If you aren’t in the LA area, you still send a message in support of the writers here.
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Christy!
dos?
my Spanish is obviously improving…
Zogby Analyst Says Ron Paul Strongest Contender to Beat Hillary
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ar…..illary.htm
No audio here. What idea is the YouTube pitching in? Would love to help in any way with this strike as I can…
peanutbutter — I linked up the corresponding website in the post. If you click thru on the first link, you’ll get the gist…
And the corporations have most of the power. From the NYTimes today:
Never mind — took a chance, watched it. No audio needed. Thanks! ;-)
jayt @ 3
Que pasa amigo?
Adonde es el banyo?
Yo quiero dos Burritos supremas.
Si, mas cervesa.
Mellamo es Felipe.
There you have it.
My entire applicable knowledge of the Spanish language.
Except a few curse words.
Needless to say I don’t brag about it.
I miss the heck out of The Daily Show, but Jon Stewart knows what it’s like to be a writer – and he shut down immediately…
Biodun @ 7
This may be true or it may be designed to tell the writers to give it up.
And this:
(Same link as above.)
And the widespread view among the WGA writers is that corporations simply want to bust up the union(s).
Bustednuckles:
Beer and burritos?
thanks for the coverage and the support and the link, christy.
tho the producers are spinning this as millionaires v. millionaires, the sad fact is, the vast majority of guild writers, 95% or so, are in the middle class, make about $5,000 a year on writing, and are chronically unemployed or underemployed, due to the nature of the business (same can be said for actors).
the internet stream revenue as well as the dvd revenue is pretty much just found money for the producers, because they already have the content that the writers (and actors and directors and below the line workers) made…they simply have to re-format it into a new platform to distribute it to the public.
in other words, they don’t have to make new shows to make new money.
so we little guys in hollywood think it’s pretty fair to ask for a percentage of that found money, considering we’re the ones that created the product being sold.
i appreciate firedoglake staying on top of this labor action…to me it represents all instances where corporate america is using new technologies to screw the middle class.
Biodun @ 13
And bathroom.
Lol.
Si, mas cervesa.
Yeah – I know *that* one…*g*
But now I can’t remember how to ask where the bathroom is.. donde esta la (?).
And that could be a very uncomfortable combination of knowns and known unknowns….
I’m supporting the writers by not watching any television…except Go Diego Go and Drake and Josh.
Ok, I admit it, I don’t watch television except for football games. And Go Diego Go and Drake and Josh, but only while reading FDL. I do support the writers though and will send some pencils as soon as I can find my Paypal login and password!
I know very little about this issue but would it be possible to have (for example) the Comedy Channel (alone) say that they will give their writers what they want. Not to get the writers back, due to solidarity, but just to get the ball rolling on fairness? Or is that too naive?
Skippy at 14 — Absolutely. The piece that Jane did the other day on the Battlestar Gallactica folks trying to squeeze free web content scripts out of the writers was spot on with that issue. And the re-packaging of old programs to sell for new DVD collections without paying the writers a dime in revenue is just one more example of many.
Fair is fair — and what is being done right now is far from fair.
among writers of all kinds there’s an old joke about the hollywood starlet who was so dumb that she slept with the writer.
el banyo es cerrado…
Thanks, Christy. I’ve been walking the picket lines here in Los Angeles, and it’s actually been a great experience. A quick note about residuals: a lot of people question why writers should get paid for work we’ve already done (and been compensated for). Writing is intellectual property. Or should be. But in Hollywood, there’s a work for hire fiction. Even if I write something speculatively, the deal gets made as if it were a work for hire, and I lose the copyright. Historically, residuals are compensation for the loss of copyright.
solai at 18 — The WGA and the studios are set to go back to the bargaining table on Monday. But based on the rumbles coming out of the studios, I don’t think settlement is, as yet, in the air. Jane has a much better bead on this than I do, though, and she’s the one to ask…
So, the best way to help out is to not watch tv, go to movies or buy dvds? I’m in. I can still watch KO, right?
One question from the devil’s advocate:
Are the corporations really on the winning side of this? And if they are, what can be done about it?
IMO, I think the writer-producers (the runners) hold all the cards… If they support the writers, the corporations are screwed. If they go back to work, the WGA writers are screwed.
Oil tops $99 to set new record. Stock market takes a nose dive ….
Bushonomics in ACTION!!
Wasn’t long ago bush wanted to talk about the economy daily>
Ok, pencils are on the way. I know a classroom in SoCal that could use some of those pencils after they’ve made their point (ha ha). I swear my students eat pencils.
skippy @ 13
Are you missing a zero in that figure, or are the writers middle class because they are doing something else for a living? Not trying to be snarky — even $50K is barely middle class in LA, I’m sure.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
Can individual networks/studios splinter off and agree to the requests of the writers? I mean, are all networks against this? HBO, Comedy Channel etc. as well as ABC etc.? Or are they all connected at the top?
SaltinWood @ 21:
Yep: work for hire and no copyright. That’s the way it works as well for freelance writers in book publishing and most news media.
Tried to send pencils but the site would not take my credit card information. I don’t think truckloads of pencils will persuade the bastards. They will look at it as a windfall of free pencils. Maybe turn around and sell them.
I went for the pencils because I think it important we try everything. One thing wrong with the left, myself included, is that we have a favorite means to the end to the exclusion of other paths. I continue to believe these guys understand money and nothing else. If you hit them in their pocketbook, you get their attention. Anyhow-Good Luck.
SaltinWound — The oddity of copyright capture on this is unique for writers, isn’t it? I know friends of mine who write fiction in book form retain their copyrights even after publication. Is is the substantial differential in studio money and power versus the writer? Or something else that perpetuates that?
musicsleuth @ 27
There is no missing zero.
No no, don’t do that. You’d be helping he corporations…
I absolutely agree that this is basically stealing from the writers.
Imagine the issue of the recording industry going after file sharers and compare it to this.
OT:
I have to link to this Des Moines Register article about Romney claiming Bush has done a good job on his handling of Iraq: Link
Is this what you call catering to your base? Heck, the last poll I say showed over half of Iowa Republicans felt the War in Iraq was a failure and needed to be ended as soon as possible.
IrishJim @ 35
Any time a Republican presidential candidate feels like shooting himself in the foot, he’ll get my full support.
As a veteran of WGA strikes from 1981 (months after I got my first job) on, I’m more optimistic about our leverage in this strike than ever before. Writers will always be key. No matter how the studio heads bloviate, they need us and they know it. But the world is changing and trust me, the studios see what’s happening to the record companies and they’re quaking in their boots. They’re a hundred year-old distribution model and they’re headed, sooner or later, to the dumpster. They don’t control the talent or the financing any more, so tell me again what we need them for? Content is, always was, always will be king. When investors team with writers (as in the software industry), we can bypass those ultra-greedy middlemen, who contribute nothing to the product, and all make a hell of a lot more money. The creators of Thirtysomething just made a deal that will be a prototype for the industry very soon. And the huge breakthrough they made — is that for the first time in history, writers of TV and movies WILL OWN THEIR OWN COPYRIGHTS. As of now, we don’t, which is why we’re begging reuse crumbs from the studios’ table.
CHS @ 31:
That works for most what is called general trade fiction. But some fiction is published in other ways. Basically everything depends on the actual book contract. Also, a lot of fiction in trade publishing is actaully written by ghost writers, and those contracts are mostly work for hire.
actually…
EvilDrPuma @ 32
Thanks. The more I read about this, the madder I get. How many ‘lunches’ does this pay for, anyway?
Biodun at 38 — The folks that I know all write their own work — but it’s science fiction and fantasy, so that genre may have it’s own tradition that isn’t industry standard, I suppose.
Christy, I don’t know the exact circumstances underwhich screenwriters sacrificed copyright (and why writers of songs have such a great deal in comparison). But at this point, media is controlled by so few companies, they really have a lock on the market. In the 1988 strike, there were a lot more independent producers. Carsey-Werner made its own deal with the writers during the strike and went back to work on Roseanne. I don’t see something like that happening today.
rwcole @ 25
Bond trading suspended in Europe due to panic selling in so-called “covered” bonds.
Europe Suspends Mortgage Bond Trading Between Banks (Update1)
Heckuva Job Paulson!
Biodun @ 34
support something else: buy BVDs
SaltinWound @ 42
It’s why you are seeing more self-produced CDs in the music business. Much more difficult with video broadcasting, I imagine.
CHS @ 31–
I think it was actually a court decision, maybe SCOTUS.
SaltinWound — I was reading up on the strike in several publications and was startled to see how concentrated the studio ownership has become — it’s held in 5 or 6 TOTAL corporate hands. There are various studio offshoots, but the power is held ultimately by 5 or 6 corporate boards.
That isn’t easy to break through on a bargaining level — which says to me that itis very important that not only the WGA, but the Actors and production folks and Teamsters and every other union involved in the business hold on this together.
Ed Kunin @ 31
Yes I wish the idea was more hard hitting and too the point, like rubber stamps for rubber stamp congress with goodies for Arlen Spector delivered by Matt Stoller. Mwahaha. A classic FDL move.
By the way, like a lot of bored writers, I’ve been doing a bit of personal blogging about the strike, if anyone’s interested: saltinwound.com
Also, digital technology has made things very very difficult for human writers in movies and television. Ultimately, this media will eventually eliminate the need even for human actors in movies (and possibly television). There’s been a movement toward this development since the tail end of the twentieth century.
Once the gooper primary is over- their chosen candidate will put GW Clusterfuck on the “do not mention list”. We won’t hear a word about him from the lips of the candidate….For right now, though, the candidates have to pander to the BASE- a majority of which still kiss the prez’s ass.
punaise @ 45:
LOL! pour les sans-culottes…
a world without writers … or at least Hollywood without writers (via Making Light):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..8&NR=1
P J Evans @ 54
another good one!
ps here’s skippy’s pix of the massive rally in front of 20th century fox last week, including pix of john edwards who joined us!
Biodun @ 51
Don’t studios still cash out on the old glam of actos in Hollywood. Actors show up at events, plug movies looking glam. Will we get a Britney-Bot instead?
“Jane got it absolutely right the other day when she said that video and DVD sales have opened up a huge revenue stream for the studios — and since all of those aftermarket sales were initially dependent on putting together a story that people want to see again and again, it is only fair that the creative minds who wrote those stories in the first place are properly compensated for their work. Otherwise, the media moguls are just profit-hungry greedy assholes who are stealing from the writers to further line their own pockets.”
CHS, you reinforce the “truth,” well! It has always been about the haves and the have-nots. Those that have the talent, creativity and foresight vs those that have no sense of decency when exploiting others, for personal gain!
Creative professionals in other industries are feeling a similar squeeze. Donita Sparks has spoken here about contracts with recording artists, writing and production credits, and royalties paid from CD sales and airplay. The suits have taken over, and don’t realize that they can’t provide the board and shareholders the returns they want without real creative professionals.
Biodun @ 39
Or how about academic and text book publishing. Editors can retain copyright. Contributors er. . .
Two thirds of registered goopers still think that Clusterfuck is doin a good job….keep that in mind in evaluating what their candidates are doin an sayin.
Perhaps. It’ll certainly be interesting to see what develops, and how. But what is not in doubt is to what extent digital technology is recalibrating the entertainment industry as we type, and as we’ve known it for most of the twentieth century.
Wow! i must have hit a nerve earlier!
Imran Khan Released!
[Me and about 50,000 angry Pakistani students, that is]
Biodun @ 62
I like my women plump and bad ass. Perhaps I will have to stop watching movies, since I am probably not the consensus.
mui @ 60:
Believe it or not, in textbook publishing, most of the writing is done by freelance writers as works for hire. Well-kept dirty little secret in that industry.
(Disclosure: My very first job when I got out of grad school was in textbook publishing. I spend two miserable years on staff and got out fast!.)
Ah, Kid Nation — Joel McHale of The Soup had the greatest description of that monstrosity: “It’s like Lord of the Flies, but with more flies!”
Redshift at 65 — Mwahahahaha….I haven’t seen anything but the commercials and previews. but it looks altogether odious and exploitative.
miserable years on staff…
Biodun @ 65
Er uh. I have had experience. Also my signif other is an academic. No dirty secrets here. Like I could tell you this story where . . . oh never mind. Bad idea.
Biodun @ 68
*pat on back, and sigh* I know, I know.
scory — There has always been a tension between the creative end and the corporate end. Corporate has to put a lot of money in up front, and thus assumes a lot of risk on unknown products when there is a new writer or a new concept involved. So it makes sense that with that risk comes a big share of the pie.
But, at the same time, the writers (or songwriters or authors or whatever on the creative end of things) put a lot of themselves into the creative process — that takes time, ingenuity, talent and a whole lot of hard work and commitment to craft — and that ought to be well compensated as well. When the balance gets skewed far too much one way, you get a strike like this. And it’s only in the banding together that the creative end of the business has the power to force things to rebalance on any real level from the corporate end of things.
rwcole @ 26
The economy is going to crash; Treasury and the Fed have been trying to push the crash past 01/20/09. The best thing, both for the economy, the Dems and the Country is to have it go over the cliff soon. $6.00 gas will get even a Jesus Cracker’s attention.
Creative professionals really need to stick together on this. This thread reminds me of the decision a few years ago for our local ballet to use canned music instead of live — cut many musicians’ income in half (the other half being the opera orchestra). Too many bean counters getting the upper hand.
mui @ 69:
In academic publishing, that is to say, university presses, most of that writing is done by professors and scholars who retain copyright.
(Disclosure: my last staff job in publishing was at a university press.)
The whole publish or perish phenomenon forces academics to give it away IMHO. Now many are givers. But to have the phenonmeon exploited, particularly by the STM side of publishing is well . . .
Biodun @ 68
Biodun, are you able to edit your posts? You have 5 minutes to make changes.
Biodun @ 74
But not necessarily for contributions with an editor.
egregious @ 76:
Yes I know. But for some reason the edit function sometimes says the 5 minutes have passed–when I know it hasn’t.
Are you still on the left coast?
Early voice actors made almost nothing too, although celebrities make quite a lot of money today.
An actor received less than $25 for a recording session that might last anywhere from thirty minutes to eight hours, though rarely ran half that. It was done, not in a sound facility, but on the same stages where the studios shot their movies. They would go onto some unoccupied soundstage and use the microphones and equipment that were used to record the on-camera performers as they emoted.
Mel Blanc used to tell of standing in a western barroom or elegant boudoir, delivering Porky Pig’s lines into a boom-mike that was lowered to his level. (They dared not sit on a “hot set,” meaning a set that was being used for a film in production. There was hell to pay if any of the furnishings were moved or damaged.) In the fifties, they began recording in recording studios, which made things a bit more comfortable.
Biodun, that’s strange about the edit function. Back in blue Virginia for a while. Funny living in two places.
Biodun @ 78
heygregious!
EvilDrPuma @ 33
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe I read that $5,000 is the median annual salary income for writers, which is why residuals are so important — they’re in addition to that, which is what makes it possible to make a living (and are the only income for the half of all writers who are unemployed at any given time.)
Think about it academic publishing has the monogrs. Yes you get copyright. But there are text books, reference books, journals all under the umbrella of “academic publishing.” As opposed to ye old educational publishing.
McClellan didn’t mean what he said.
So, what else is new?
Oh, and the book isn’t finished yet.
Punaise! It was great to meet you and Madame Punaise.
Dalloway at 38 is right. I went to the march down Hollywood blvd yesterday and it was huge, 6-10 thousand, and of course no mention of it in the news. But the studios know about it, and that is what matters.
The media is owned by the large corporations, for whom “entertainment” is just one part of their holdings. They don’t consider entertainment different from making widgets, so they are really trying to make a profit model that is great for widgets, in a part of their business that relies on human talent. Naturally, to make the most profit
in entertainment, they should be treating talent well, but that just doesn’t compute with their corporate models.
mui:
You’re talking here about collections of essays and not single monographs. Incidentally, both entities are passing into the dustbin of academic publishing history. Most university presses are now fantasizing about publishing general trade nonfiction (and even fiction) because of budgetary constraints.
You see, those entities don’t make any money (under 1000 copies first printing), as parent universities have cut back considerably on subsidies, also because of budgetary constraints.
(Disclosure: in US universtities, corporations and market economy are also running the show these days.)
mui @ 83:
Yep. My own frame of reference is academic book publishing in the humanities and social sciences.
rwcole @ 61
Would you estimate the number of happy Clusterfucks to be approximately 20 million voters?
jayt @ 15
¿Donde está el baño?
OT: Jim Webb is running the pro-forma Senate session at 10am on Friday. It would be fun to go and record the historic moment, but you have to get passes from the senator’s office, and there’s no way I can do that today. I’m sure there’ll be other opportunities, since they’re gonna have to keep the Senate in session for the next year to keep Junior from screwing them.
LS @ 84
Guess Scotty got a metaphorical horse head in his bed.
mui @ 56
Don’t we already have a britneybot?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 71
Couldn’t agree more. This is the part of the end game of what started with the PATCO strike in 1981. Lest we forget, it was St. Ronnie who made it OK to publicly hate unions. Never mind his tenure as President of the Screen Actor’s Guild.
There needs to be balance between owners and production, regardless of the industry. Unfortunately, the last thirty or so years have seen that balance swing to owners, and particularly corporate owners, advantage.
Wondering out loud here, IANAL, would it be possible for the writers to file a class action suit?
egregious @ 85
likewise…
BTW:
At the bottom of all this is precisely how creative work (in most industries) is to be properly compensated. Interestingly, the advertising industry (which is often bastardized by “literary writers”) is way better than most in this respect.
Redshift @ 82
Is that 5k number misleading? What % of the union members actually work as writers? What is the median salary of a member of the Screen Actors Guild?
Copyright contradictions in scholarly and academic publishing. Not the best I could find but whatever.
Biodun @ 88
I think our differences here is you are referrring to monographs. I am referring to a much larger field.
egregious:
That editing thingy has done it again for my 97…*g* (I know five minutes haven’t passed.)
Biodun @ 101
Maybe you’re having too much fun, time flies.
egregious:
You may be right. I’m always having fun at the Lake. That’s why I stay away at nights and Sundays. I dip in some Saturdays, mostly for Blue America and to grab a zed from Jane’s posts…*g* Just too addictive for me.
OT–
I’m just catching up (Its breakfast time in Hawaii), so I just left a long message downstairs on the Lou Dobbs thread on this theme: America is ready for a third party!
Its not just me on a rant; its actually Kathleen Bushman, and she has national polling data to back up her point.
What do you think? I, for one, am getting tired with a Democratic Party leadership that treats progressives as an annoyance.
Bob in HI
Steve-AR @ 98
This is from JobBanksUSA circa 2002:
Biodun @ 87
No I was talking of ref, text books, journals and collections of essays. I probably forgot something.
About scholarly solvency, you always hear a lot of talk. Always.
Oh but a few good text books can pull in a lot of money though.
The Hill speaks [from HuffPo]:
If it must be Hill ‘08, I hope it’s Hill/Edwards ‘08
Redshift @ 91
Saw Webb in action earlier today. The pro forma sessions seem to be approx 30 seconds long…don’t blink.
Even A Hollywood Writer couldn’t make this up:
LEXINGTON, Ky. – A soldier facing his second tour of duty in Iraq said in a jailhouse interview he was at a hospital seeking mental help when he was arrested in the middle of the night for allegedly being absent without leave.
Spc. Justin Faulkner insists his superior officers at Fort Campbell knew about his mental problems but refused to provide adequate treatment.
On Thursday, Faulkner checked into a Lexington VA hospital, where doctors told him they wanted to keep him until Monday for observation. Police showed up at the hospital shortly after 2 a.m. Saturday to take him to jail.
(snip)
link
mui @ 100
I am just trying to clarify. Not being testy to you Biodun.
Steve-AR @ 109:
That was on cable news yesterday–maybe two days ago.
mui:
I think I missed the testy part…*g* (No snark: I know you’re not being testy, not even in tone.)
Biodun @ 110
Thanks..quit watching news several years ago. I just pointed it out to go along with the “Fox” story of repaying signing bonuses. Every time a story of the abuse of soldiers comes to light, the explanation is “isolated system failure”..B-S.
Biodun @ 112
Oh you’ll love this part of the paper. BTW Librarians and publishers have been at extreme odds for sometime. Maybe you can guess why.
I am also going to note the unholy synthesis between non-commercial and commercial.
And about that desperate Condi legacy:
Dream on. Trump says you can’t cut a deal. Even the Pope ducked out of a meeting with you because he knows you can’t bring peace to the world.
Prairie Sunshine @ 108
Point well taken, but I figure it would be long enough to get a photo for posterity. And this one is at 10 on a holiday, so it wouldn’t be too hard to get there. (Tuesday’s was at 9 — bleah, even with somewhat lighter traffic.)
Online content. Cash-k-ching dollar signs in the eyes.
Biodun @ 115
Wurmser said on CSPAN that this so-called peace meeting is actually an attempt by the administration to bring regional parties together to discuss the future of Iran – they do not expect to create a peaceful outcome for Israel and the Palestinians.
mui @ 114:
Here’s the part that I really really love:
World rights in all languages and in all formats present and future. Is there anything left?
Biodun @ 115
Pretty much the definition of slacking until the last day of class and pulling an all-nighter, eh? And you’ve got to love this entry in the “understatement of the century” contest:
Redshift @ 116
Take digital pictures and post ‘em for us all.
itwasntme @ 86
It gets ‘local’ coverage.
on costs of strike has pictures of a sea of shirts and signs.
Biodun @ 119
There are some parallels to the movie industry. And part of the crying shame is scholars *need* to share with colleagues, students, etc, want to share and have to share.
Redshift at 20
If only they had 2 full terms of the presidency! Just think what they might have accomplished.
Exclusive world rights to the Publisher forever…
egregious @ 124:
snark snark…*g* What have they been doing for 8 years? And why are we rushing on this now all of a sudden? Endloading?
Biodun @ 125
With pumped up prices for colleagues all over the world.
New Christy post upstairs…
Thanksgiving 2001 the average price of gasoline was $1.16 a gallon. For Thanksgiving 2007 and after a mere 6 years in office, Bush has been able to cut that price down to $3.09.
And there are some who say Republicans don’t understand economics. *shakes head sadly at how anyone could think so*
musicsleuth @ 28
i wish i was. tho it’s not the average (i shouldn’t have implied it was), it’s the median income…that is to say, there are as many guild members making lessthan $5000 a year writing as there are making more. see howard rodman at huffpo.
most writers, like actors, have to supplement their income w/other jobs.
Redshift @ 120
That’s the perfect analogy. But if I know Condi, she’ll fall asleep around 1am.
“OT–
I’m just catching up (Its breakfast time in Hawaii), so I just left a long message downstairs on the Lou Dobbs thread on this theme: America is ready for a third party!
Its not just me on a rant; its actually Kathleen Bushman, and she has national polling data to back up her point.
What do you think? I, for one, am getting tired with a Democratic Party leadership that treats progressives as an annoyance.
Bob in HI”
Hi Bob,
I’m with you big time, but I got flamed in here a while back for even suggesting that this web site cover Cythia McKinney’s potential run for president (in ‘08) as a Green.
My wife and I have both been registered Green for well over a decade, and we see the current lack of spine in the Democratic Party as clear evidence of the consolidation of the Dems and Reps into one force in DC working against the average voters interests. I not only think the country is ready for a third party, I think it needs it to survive (provided democracy is ever restored here).
I often wonder if the average person knows that there are at least 10 American polical parties.
As of today, there have been 240,000 pencils donated (that we know of) or 20,000 boxes to the tune of $20,000. That’s a lot of money that could go to fund something not iffy like the fund that helps writers who can’t pay their bills during the strike. We don’t KNOW if the pencils will make it past the mail room or if they’ll get donated by the studios as requested. These pencils will probably wind up crushed and delivered to strike captains. I have profound respect for the point being made and am a huge supporter of the writers but I think a crap shoot is bad way for people to donate their money.