I know this may come as something of a shock to you, but we aren't the only people in the world who think Joe Klein is just a bad joke in a tweed coat. Oh, no.
Let's begin at Glennzilla's place with the piece that Jane touched on earlier:
For the sake of its own credibility, Time Magazine needs immediately to prohibit Joe Klein from uttering another word about the eavesdropping and FISA controversy. He simply doesn't know what he's talking about and he publishes demonstrably false statements.
Oh. Gosh, Glenn, don't hold back or anything, tell us how you really feel.
Klein's latest article in Time does nothing more than what Klein and most Beltway "liberal" pundits always do and have been doing for the last twenty years -- namely, warn Democrats that they will lose elections unless they renounce their beliefs and act as much as possible like Republicans on national security issues. The article is entitled "Still Stumbling on National Security" and contains every 1980-2003 cliche about how Democrats better not oppose the big, mean, tough George Bush on war issues or else Rush Limbaugh will attack them and they'll lose. More on that in a moment.
Oh, you know, just look at the time. Sorry to bug out on you early, G2, but I think I've actually heard this one before. No, really. No. I mean, really. I'm leaving. I-
Klein's main complaint is that "Democrats in Congress [] are being foolishly partisan on two key issues: continued funding for the war in Iraq and updating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA)."
Oh! The P-Word! I almost got out the door and you had to pull that one out.
Why is it that the people who are inevitably doing their level best to stand on the throats of the people in this country always invoke the Demon P-Word when their backs are against the wall. You could be like, "Oh, my god, Joe Lieberman, you're on fire!" and he'd be standing there with flames licking around his face and dancing in his hair and he'd say, "That is a Vicious Partisan Attack! When you say things like that it only strengthens the partisan divide in this country and weakens us all."
But you know, in a nation where it's "treason" and "sedition" for a bunch of mild-mannered bridge players to announce that they didn't vote for Chimperor Dorkus Maximus, then perhaps it really is "partisan" to defend the Constitution.
Along with most of the "liberal" punditocracy, Klein has been singing the same song for years and years and years now. The salvation for Democrats lies in following Republicans on national security issues. He's been warning Democrats from the very beginning of the NSA scandal that they had better stop condemning Bush's illegal spying on Americans or else they will justly suffer the consequences, and he issues similar lip-quivering warnings about Iraq: Democrats better stop opposing the Leader's War or else they will lose.
I know, I know. Every mossy elder in "The Village" has been peddling that particular brand of swill non-stop since Ned Lamont won the CT primary. Let's all say it together, shall we?
"The Democrats are going to move TOO FAR TO THE LEFT..."
And what, everybody? Come on, you know you know it.
"...And that's going to be a BIG PROBLEM FOR THEM."
Yes, yes, thank you Mara Liasson, Juan Williams, Rahm, Rush, and all the rest of you. Where, oh, where would we ever be without your (unsolicited, insincere, completely in bad faith) advice?
Most of us have been wise to Klein's shtick for years, now. He's not just uninformed, but belligerently so. Thin-skinned, pompous, vain, and painfully superficial, Joe Klein is the Beltway Insider's Beltway Insider, a creature so inured to the insularity of its condition that any attempt to relocate it to less rarefied airs would surely destroy it, like some slimy, invertebrate deep sea creature brought too abruptly to the surface.
But Glenn isn't the only person who's sick of being lectured by Joke Line about how good Democrats sit at the feet of their Republican masters and beg, roll over, and play dead on command. Let's see what some of Joe's readers have had to say about his views on FISA:
Congress made it clear that surveillance of US citizens without a warrant is a crime -- and its a crime to allow that surveillance. That was the law -- and while I don't think that anyone would have a problem with providing immunity for what the telecoms did in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, this illegal activity went on for years in complete disregard of the clear meaning and intent of the relevant statutes.
But as a rich white guy, its only poor people, and people of color, who actually have PAY for their crimes.... under KleinLaw people making millions of dollars a year can break the law with utter impunity, and then not merely get protection for their own criminality, but makes sure that the stockholders don't lose a dime.
Its utterly pathetic.
How shoddy can you get?
Please clarify. Remember, your rhetoric alone on telecom amnesty or "data mining" is insufficient to persuade or edify, given your utter lack of credibility on the subject (with respect to everyone outside of the Village, that is).
Commenters:
Assuming that he does actually refer to (Passed by House)[H.R.3773.EH], judge for yourself whether Joe describes the bill accurately or not.
I'm going to let the most egregious blathering go for the time being, and I'll come back to this after proper analysis of the bill itself.
"Let the games begin"
Oh, and BTW, Joe: it's not a f-ing game, except maybe to people in the out-of-touch, Beltway cocktail party circuit petrie dish that passes as your professional environment.
Posted by stuart_zechman | November 21, 2007 11:58 AM
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"Latest Column" should be titled "Latest Foolishness."
Stick to matters that you possess some familiarity Joe. On FISA, you have no effin clue and offering more of the "blue pill" is just what our serious president does.
Stop making sh*t up.
Posted by sy | November 21, 2007 12:00 PM
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I've got to say that p_lukasiak is coming off as the more well informed source on FISA that Joe Kline here.
Perhpas it'd be a little more worthwhile for Joe to let p_lukasiak start up a future blog post with the facts currant status of FISA and then Joe can read though those and fill in his thoughts and opinions afterwards.
I think it's time to start using "Anonymous" again, Joe.
Amen!
Me, I think we need to scrap the lot. All the DC elites who supported the war and continue to cheer it on, all the misguided media shills, all the Righty screamers and know-nothing NeoCons need to be handed their pink slips and put to work in a prison laundry. Chris Matthews? Buh-bye. Tim Russert? Smell ya later! Joe Klein, Mickey Kaus, Peter "Bunny" Beinart, and Bill Effing Kristol? All of you are, like, so FIRED.
We're going to hold a giant essay contest to see who should be allowed to take over your jobs. All of you may enter submissions to see if you can win your old position back, but you might want to study up on the issues a little to make sure you don't place too embarrassingly far below the crackheads who hang out in the vacant lot at the end of my street.
Good night. And good luck.
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zed.
TREX!
hmmm, let downstairs know you got the zed please and that we are upstairs
nicely done, hmmm - thank you
Hi TRex!
Whew! This post had major last-minute reconstructive surgery.
It looks alright from here, though.
TRex @ 7
Perfecto, blood.
I WISH the problem were the dems moving too far to the left. That would be a nice change of circumstances!
I think Paul Lukasiak did start a blog. I think Howie told me, but I don’t know the URL.
Should find it and put it on the blogroll. Paul rocks.
love the time to go back to being anonymous comment… ain’t that the fricking truth dood
Ehrm, what I meant to say was:
Hail, Muse TRex!
(You’re welcome, Suzanne, for informing Those Below.)(What with me living to serve and all.)
I’d like to nominate SnarKassandra for one of those DC punditry jobs. Coming as she does out of Texas, let me say she’s got the makings of another Molly Ivins.
Rove: what would they do as president. NYtimes; lower level Mosque violence;remarkable success.
Who needs TV when I have TRex (YouTube)
Tis a Great Day
Go read this.
Rove is speaking now on Charlie Rose for the hour. I will post as best I can.
TRex,
I’m glad you chose not to let Jane’s Digby’d treatment of you stand in the way of more good comedy.
You’ve just got to stand up to her and all her good posts.
Oh oh, I see she’s here too. I take back every thing I’ve said.
Peterr @ 13
too much honesty for DC
I started to believe in God again when I heard about Karl Rove’s kidney stones.
TexBetsy @ 19
Cassie, Molly, or both?
Happy Thanksgiving TRex and Suzanne!
(elliott) happy thanksgiving to all the pups, front page, backstage, and commenters
Several Thanksgiving stories amid the political stuff of the day.
TRex @ 21
Dog help me…
Maybe they’re DU.
put down that biscotti right now,trex
He’s trying to explain the shia/sunni…not very well,
charlie is arguing that the press here were good(missing everything, my hate gets in the way)
He gets it wrong/ Korea
so Korea/ upside
So, I’m off to my mom’s house in the morning.
She isn’t cooking this year! She has officially declared herself Too Busy.
We’re going out for Thanksgiving Dinner, a phrase I never thought would come out of anyone in my family’s mouth. It’s sacrilege.
I even tried to guilt her into canceling our reservations and cooking anyway. No go.
Sigh.
It just won’t be the same.
Isn’t it great to have this huge, wonderful family? Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Suzanne @ 27
Or else eat the biscotti and replace it with something even more delicious before morning.
TRex @ 30
worst of all, there are NO leftovers when you go out for thanksgiving dinner
Suzanne @ 27
*hides chocolate smeared tiny forelimbs under the desk*
I don’t know what you’re talking about.
*looks innocent*
Suzanne @ 27
… at least dunk ‘em in some expresso … *g*
‘…But we’ll travel along, singin’ our song, side by side…’
;>)
Wonderful post.
I thought families were supposed to have a lot more seething, sulking, inconsolable resentment than this.
earlier surge/
war lost:
win:
susutanible democracy
future
eocomiics:
Health care
education
TRex @ 33
lets just keep those forelimbs where i can see them - and don’t even think about using that tail young man.
darkblack @ 35
Joined at the lip, I see. LOL!
TRex @ 30
Not to be too much of an a**, but if the tradition means so much, why don’t you invite everyone over next year and cook the dinner and do all the work it entails. Then the year after you can pass the chore on to your brother and so on…
My dad occasionally sends me military humor.
For some reason, I found this hilarious:
Hi Suzanne!
A technical question here … my son came home for Thanksgiving and took one look at my computer and cleaned up over 100 “cookies.” He said that I might lose some sites marked, and it looks like I lost my “leave a reply” registration here at FDL. Clearly I re-registered, and used the same work email as before. Is this ok as I’m actually using my home gmail?
Christine
Podorific post, disgusted with the fatassery.
Evening folks.
TRex @ 30
I suppose it’s too late to offer to cook it yourself?
As the cook for tomorrow around our house, let me say that the idea that a big turkey dinner is hard to cook is as factual as a Joe Klein FISA post.
TRex @ 7
Great job after being both Digby’d and Jane’d! Appreciate the comments from Joe’s articles. You’re right. These guys should have to reapply for their jobs.
TRex @ 42
spew!
Christine Edmonson @ 43
yeap, he just deleted the cookie that pre-filled in that info for you on the submit commit box. no worries - no problem here
Oh, I offered! No go. If my mom is too busy to cook, she’s too busy to round everyone up and drag them the three hours up the highway to my house for lunch.
I offered to cook it at her house, but she just gave me that phone silence that says, “Young man, your mother has made up her mind. You. Will. Obey.”
Resistance is futile.
He’s using Charlie Rangel against himself: and his father was gay: let’s let that out…
Nerd: he so Karl Marx.
But where are Gannon’s interesting facts?
Sounds like ‘yes mom’ was the right response, TRex.
TRex @ 49
Ah! Then in Emily’s immortal words Never mind. One dares not argue with a Mother who has made up her mind.
darkblack @ 36
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db: Wow! To call this one a gem somehow understates its beauty and appropriateness…
Suzanne @ 52
Yup.
I didn’t get to be sixty million years old by being a dumbass, now did I?
I’m supposed to go to a friend’s tomorrow for dinner, and yes, the bummer will be no leftovers for turkey sammiches over the weekend. Of course, the bonus is I don’t have to clean my house and cook for hours, so let’s call it a wash. :)
Been sick all day, which is why I may not go over there tomorrow.
TRex @ 49
TRex, if you’ll pick up your phone right now, you’ll hear silence. I think it’s your mom, telling you to LEAVE THE BISCOTTI ALONE!
TRex @ 55
leave the biscotti alone and you can make it to 61 million
TRex @ 49
As I age, I have to sorrowfully agree with your mom . I haven’t reached the point where I’ve stopped, because I love Thanksgiving dinner so much, but my kids all make fun of me for giving up cooking during the work week. I’ve gone from cooking from scratch EVERYTHING to, well, what does Trader Joe’s have…
Happy Thanksgiving TRex.
Trex
Mom has spoken.
Jane Hamsher @ 10
This one maybe?
It is an interesting observation.
Looking at it that way, which makes sense, Hillary’s position is for state’s rights.
Funny post too BTW.
TheOtherWA @ 56
i hope you feel all better in the morning and enjoy thanksgiving with your friends.
suz -ygm
here ya go TRex!
Counting the Congress:
Charlie: now telling him the figures:
Using the Lieberman vote.
Charlie: Why:
Rove: It’s all done because of the Iraq must be won and now it’s done.
(speaking very quickly and with many words)
Hate wins?
No. Repubigs win when the everyone speaks well.
World ratings:
Win or lose trajectory.
I think I may be sick.
Suzanne @ 62
Me too. Being sick sucks. But spreading whatever this is to a house full of people would be worse.
TRex @ 31
You should have seen the rebellion here last year. We split the chore list. I host and do all the veggies etc. My sister makes the desert. My mother makes the turkey, stuffing and gravy. Well, my mother bailed last year…and without telling anyone ahead of time ordered the whole dinner to be delivered by the grocery store. Turkey, stuffing, gravy, 2 vegetables, potatoes, squash, rolls, cranberry sauce and pies. The grandkids went nuts. One cried. (lol). My sister and I kind of liked it but the kids were distraught. So, this year, we’re back to normal. Except my mother. She still says she’s retired. And, my sister’s doing the turkey.
TheOtherWA @ 57
To the GF’s mom’s for T-day so I did T-day today inorder to solve the left over problem. The GF loves Thanksgiving, she has a severe eating disorder when it comes to turkey. I cooked a 23lb and she finished off about 40%.
Suzanne @ 48
Thanks Suzanne, and Happy Thanksgiving. Oh, and your little house in the woods is adorable. Wish I was there with you all!
Great post TRex! I love to hear them ‘rex jaws chompin on chicken bones!
I love the term “wobblys” used for the Bushdogs. Wonder when they’ll get a spine? Spine=votes!
Token and I are going next door, to his sister’s people’s place tomorrow. We were over earlier looking at the pies and the bird. I’ve been given the go ahead to take the carcass of the bird home so I can make Thanksgiving soup to freeze and ship out to baby girl.
K. Drum:
This is actually a very useful new verb. I recommend that we adopt it in the U.S. as well.
pun, as in token was lecondel’d watching the thanksgiving day cooking today.
Jane Hamsher @ 10
Jane,
Did a wee bit of googling and other stuff, some back and forwards, up and downs, got lost a bunch of times and then finally this is what I came up with:
Paul Lukasiak lists as an “Author Profile Page” in his commentary on Joke Klein over at the Swampland, a site called Truth Squading the Fact Checkers
It appears to have just started up as a blog this month. I’m just guessing here, but from the relative familiarity of the contact email address, it may be one of his hideouts.
FWIW and YMMV
punaise @ 72
Q: is this peace conference different from every other peace conference?
A: At other peace conferences, we negotiate either sitting or reclining. At this peace conference, we pretend to negotiate either sitting or reclining.
Suzanne @ 73
I can see that happening. much scurrying about.
punaise @ 76
and only getting crumbs
punaise, how’s the Bay Area dealing with the absence of fresh local dungeness crab for Thanksgiving?
(My little six year old has been quite distraught at the absence of inexpensive fresh seafood in the Kansas City area grocery stores. “We used to get crab in CA for half that much — can we move back?”)
Ok, it’s back to bed for me. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. Travel safe, eat well, and don’t get sucked into any fights with crazy right-wing relatives.
Good night.
TheOtherWA @ 79
sending warm, positive, healing thoughts that TOW will recover and be cootie free by morning.
itwasntme @ 70
While Bushdogs may be wobbly, the Wobblies have a proud trade union history. The Wiki is here
Peterr @ 78
I was at a Jimmy Buffett concert one time where he stated that he refused to eat/order seafood when he was more than fifty miles from the coast as it was a cr*p shoot on what ya’d get. It appeared he’d gotten hold of some far from fresh seafood one time.
Peterr @ 78
local crabbers are idle, waiting for lab results that the crab are clean. Others? Not so much:
crab update
Christine Edmonson @ 59
Here is an amazing fact which I have discovered: after about 30 years the novelty of cooking wears off.
punaise @ 72
We have a word for that….photo op.
It’s our first T-Day at home in a very long time, and the first one where I’m not going to cook a bird, either. Told the spouse I’m not going to cook the 20 lb. bird in the freezer if he’s not going to be home this next week (he’s off to Asia on business this weekend). So only a meager turkey breast here to mark the day.
Not much leftovers here when we’re through, either.
Rush to judgment: by the Congress. Really.
punaise @ 83
I think that these Oregon crabbers don’t know much about Bay area chefs. Those boats may have a really tough time selling those crabs.
solai @ 86
But is “photo op” a verb?
Wasn’t Joe Klein the pathetic freak who created that line “Wag The Dog” latched onto by the Right Wing to suggest that the attacks made by Clinton on Osama bin Laden were simply efforts to distract from his affair with Monica?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n.....E_ID=16690
Not so much in our family. We are a family of cooks.
Just this year, my mom is hosting the Christmas party for her church choir and preparations for that have taken precedence over all else. Also, she and my step dad are in the middle of a massive whole-house redecoration process that began before Christmas last year and is ALMOST done.
I’m staying out of her way.
Fern says
November 21st, 2007 at 8:47 pm
Christine Edmonson @ 59
Here is an amazing fact which I have discovered: after about 30 years the novelty of cooking wears off.
You know it! Though I still love to read about it, and also eat. Cooks Illustrated is still my fave mag. Proud to know that I’ve created adventurous eaters at my table.
G’nite, all!