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	<title>Comments on: FISA and the Myth of the Ticking Time Bomb</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/21/fisa-and-the-myth-of-the-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-1110563</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1109901&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;tejanarusa @ 131&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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To AP I say,  “there ya go again, leaving out the money quote.”&lt;br /&gt;
I heard an interview with Webb this a.m.&lt;br /&gt;
When asked why he/the Senate was “doing this,” his immediate response was:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;“To preserve the Constitution.”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Followed by more pointed explanations about the Consitutional damage done by the Presnit in past recesses.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I listened a bit to KKKarl on the Charlie Rose interview show this evening and I felt the same way. They talked about the political scenery as though nothing really unusual was happening. No talk about ripping up or spitting on the Constitution, torture, habeas corpus, rendition, political prosecutions, election fraud or the like.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I turned it off since I usually watch that show for a bit of reality, not fantasy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1109901"><em>tejanarusa @ 131</em></a></p>
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To AP I say,  “there ya go again, leaving out the money quote.”<br />
I heard an interview with Webb this a.m.<br />
When asked why he/the Senate was “doing this,” his immediate response was:<br />
<b>“To preserve the Constitution.”</b><br />
Followed by more pointed explanations about the Consitutional damage done by the Presnit in past recesses.</p>
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<p>I listened a bit to KKKarl on the Charlie Rose interview show this evening and I felt the same way. They talked about the political scenery as though nothing really unusual was happening. No talk about ripping up or spitting on the Constitution, torture, habeas corpus, rendition, political prosecutions, election fraud or the like.</p>
<p>I turned it off since I usually watch that show for a bit of reality, not fantasy.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/21/fisa-and-the-myth-of-the-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-1110555</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1109860&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 90&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1109838&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Frank33 @ 69&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;On CNN, Gloria Borger says &lt;b&gt;between bites of scrumptious cocktail wienies&lt;/b&gt; of the McClellan allegation: “Nobody cares anymore.” &lt;b&gt;and can I have some more of that really good koolaid&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Borger is hereby nominated for worst person of the day. She is also one of the worst corporate journalists ever.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Minor editing added.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey, I like her. She’s spunky, pretty, smiles a lot and laughs while she’s talking. And really, from t.v., what else can you expect?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best of all is the shows where everybody looks very serious and speaks in evenly moderated voices. It makes me feel like the world is in the hands of smart people. ‘Course, i don’t pay any attention to what they’re actually saying. I don’t want to be disappointed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For real news I read blogs. At least that way I know the information gets checked and peer reviewed — not like in MSM opinion pieces.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1109860"><em>Hugh @ 90</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1109838"><em>Frank33 @ 69</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>On CNN, Gloria Borger says <b>between bites of scrumptious cocktail wienies</b> of the McClellan allegation: “Nobody cares anymore.” <b>and can I have some more of that really good koolaid</b>.</p>
<p>Borger is hereby nominated for worst person of the day. She is also one of the worst corporate journalists ever.</p>
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<p>Minor editing added.</p>
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<p>Hey, I like her. She’s spunky, pretty, smiles a lot and laughs while she’s talking. And really, from t.v., what else can you expect?</p>
<p>Best of all is the shows where everybody looks very serious and speaks in evenly moderated voices. It makes me feel like the world is in the hands of smart people. ‘Course, i don’t pay any attention to what they’re actually saying. I don’t want to be disappointed.</p>
<p>For real news I read blogs. At least that way I know the information gets checked and peer reviewed — not like in MSM opinion pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/21/fisa-and-the-myth-of-the-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-1110545</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1109812&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;marymccurnin @ 46&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As soon as Bush was appointed king I knew we would all be made the enemy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By definition there is really no choice. Consider the religious aspect too. To be a Monarch is, like being Pope, to be God’s voice and prelate for that country’s people. It automatically means God doesn’t believe you are fit to run your own life or to be the receiver of his Word. It’s demeaning to any post-Luther Christian.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Funny how the Conservative Bush Republicans say they’re religious, but would attempt to foist this petty little man on us as some kind of Voice of God here to enslave us all. It would be a strange (perhaps bushy) family that would have Traditional Family Values of that kind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1109812"><em>marymccurnin @ 46</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>As soon as Bush was appointed king I knew we would all be made the enemy.</p>
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<p>By definition there is really no choice. Consider the religious aspect too. To be a Monarch is, like being Pope, to be God’s voice and prelate for that country’s people. It automatically means God doesn’t believe you are fit to run your own life or to be the receiver of his Word. It’s demeaning to any post-Luther Christian.</p>
<p>Funny how the Conservative Bush Republicans say they’re religious, but would attempt to foist this petty little man on us as some kind of Voice of God here to enslave us all. It would be a strange (perhaps bushy) family that would have Traditional Family Values of that kind.</p>
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		<title>By: sikovit</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/21/fisa-and-the-myth-of-the-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-1110073</link>
		<dc:creator>sikovit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1109800&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;marymccurnin @ 35&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1109797&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 32&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And as for you Scott McClellan, words have not yet been invented, as far as I know, to describe you.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Overstuffed snake.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dead Man walkin’&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1109800"><em>marymccurnin @ 35</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1109797"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 32</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>And as for you Scott McClellan, words have not yet been invented, as far as I know, to describe you.</p>
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<p>Overstuffed snake.</p>
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<p>Dead Man walkin’</p>
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		<title>By: pma</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/21/fisa-and-the-myth-of-the-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-1110044</link>
		<dc:creator>pma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can’t really see how anyone could advertise they  are witholding information specific information regarding criminality in the highest offices in the land pending publication of their book.  So I think it’s really teaser hype.  But I don’t mind the whole issue being reviewed as loudly and publicly as possible.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t really see how anyone could advertise they  are witholding information specific information regarding criminality in the highest offices in the land pending publication of their book.  So I think it’s really teaser hype.  But I don’t mind the whole issue being reviewed as loudly and publicly as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1110011&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;CTuttle @ 235&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Kay, zucchini seems to emote a response from Uncle Sam…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LOL Why does that not surprise me… ;-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1110011"><em>CTuttle @ 235</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Kay, zucchini seems to emote a response from Uncle Sam…</p>
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<p>LOL Why does that not surprise me… ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: 65yoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>65yoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;don’t forget the aq cell in the whitehouse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;peas!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don’t forget the aq cell in the whitehouse.</p>
<p>peas!</p>
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		<title>By: realworld</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/21/fisa-and-the-myth-of-the-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-1110032</link>
		<dc:creator>realworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It occurs to me that what BushCo does is never about what BushCo says it is about. So that raises the question: What is FISA about? My latest guess is that it is another wedge issue to fragment the Dems and alienate the progressive side of the party.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me that what BushCo does is never about what BushCo says it is about. So that raises the question: What is FISA about? My latest guess is that it is another wedge issue to fragment the Dems and alienate the progressive side of the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/21/fisa-and-the-myth-of-the-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-1110029</link>
		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1110010&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheadprop @ 234&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1109998&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Loo Hoo. @ 222&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Joe says Bush and Cheney should release transcripts of their testimony with Fitz.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s what I want in my X-mas stocking !&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Me too!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Turley says Fitz was no junkyard dog…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1110010"><em>looseheadprop @ 234</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1109998"><em>Loo Hoo. @ 222</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Joe says Bush and Cheney should release transcripts of their testimony with Fitz.</p>
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<p>That’s what I want in my X-mas stocking !</p>
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<p>Me too!</p>
<p>Turley says Fitz was no junkyard dog…</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The newest FISA amendments are an effort to put the burden of oversight on the courts as protection to wrongdoers from the gov’t side.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You must now prove to thresholds of being beyond reasonable doubt that something is wrong to undertake oversight via judicial review.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s insulation for the Bushco. types, not oversight.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You will have to challenge a judge in court to make them apply oversight to Bushco. We’re supposed to call that a victory?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The newest FISA amendments are an effort to put the burden of oversight on the courts as protection to wrongdoers from the gov’t side.</p>
<p>You must now prove to thresholds of being beyond reasonable doubt that something is wrong to undertake oversight via judicial review.</p>
<p>It’s insulation for the Bushco. types, not oversight.</p>
<p>You will have to challenge a judge in court to make them apply oversight to Bushco. We’re supposed to call that a victory?</p>
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