– You all remember Ari Fleischer’s “Freedom’s Watch” astroturfing outfit? We’ve discussed this before, in the context of Ari’s trying to bolster support for staying in the Iraq quagmire; now (per Mother Jones via PR Watch) we get to see Fleischer’s Flyers and his ideological fellow travelers pimp the marketing concept of war with Iran:
“The basis of the whole thing was, ‘we’re going to go into Iran and what do we have to do to get you guys to go along with it,’” said Laura Sonnenmark, a participant in a recent focus group apparently funded by the Republican-associated lobbying group Freedom’s Watch. Sonnenmark, a “focus group regular,” said the moderator “used lots of catch phrases, like ‘victory’ and ‘failure is not an option.’” She added, “I’ve never seen a moderator who was so persistent in manipulating and leading the participants.” The final questions of the session were: “How would you feel if Hillary [Clinton] bombed Iran? How would you feel if George Bush bombed Iran? And how would you feel if Israel bombed Iran?” Neither the firm involved, Martin Focus Groups, nor Freedom’s Watch would confirm that the organization funded the focus group. But focus group participants were handed a flier with a Freedom’s Watch logo, and the group has advocated for confronting Iran, organizing forums on the “threat” posed by the country, and running ads calling the Iranian president a “terrorist.”
After the MJ article came out, Jennifer Laszlo Mizrahi of the right-wing group The Israel Project stepped forward to say that her outfit and not Ari’s had funded the focus group. But she really must like Ari’s group a lot to let them hand out flyers and other goodies at her focus-group sessions.
– Speaking of GOP tomfoolery: Know how the privatizers claim that destroying Social Security and turning its money over to the privatizers will result in higher rates of return?
Well, simple common sense shows that this is Pure-D bullshit, but for those who would like some addiitional evidence, here ya go: Back during the last Great Privatization Push that started in December of 2004, this theory was tested by a retiree named Stanley Logue, who actually did the math — and guess what? Social Security outperformed the DJIA. Really and truly.
– As Digby notes, Karl Rove is dropping the racist anti-brown-immigrant demagoguery because he can count. However, many if not most Republican candidates seem to be lacking this fundamental skill, as Dick Day demonstrates in Minnesota’s First Congressional District by cozying up to the Minutemen (and I’m not talking about D. Boon’s band, either). Please, Rahm, do you really want to emulate dingbats like Dick Day? Or the Minutemen?
– To close on a note that should leave a better taste in your mouths (if you like potato chips, anyway):
Last week, Frito-Lay served up a refreshingly rhetoric-free reminder that the future is coming no matter what we might do to encourage (or stop) it. Under their net zero initiative, the salty snack behemoth will be taking an Arizona potato chip factory almost entirely off the grid, running it on renewable energy and recycled water.
The project stands out to me mostly for what it is not:
Net zero is not a demonstration project for showy or questionable new technologies. In fact, the plans rely for the most part on defiantly unsexy technologies: solar concentrators, which are sort of the Jan Brady of the solar energy world; methane digesters, a technology that predates World War II; waste heat collection, an efficiency measure that Bill McKibben lamented the obscurity of just as Sean Casten was raising half a billion dollars to fund such projects. Etc.
So what’s cookin’ in your neck of the woods today?
(Graphic from Mercury Rising.)
Related posts:
- Biden on Iran: ‘Some Real Doubt’ About The Electoral Outcome
- Ridge Watch: Duct Tape and Peppermints, Meaningless Nouns…
- Amendments to Watch For Tuesday and Beyond
- Minuteman Killer Co-Hosted Anti-Immigration Event in 2007 Featuring Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson
- Sotomayor Watch: In Brilliant Move, White House Rejects Strawman Arguments





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Zed!
Ack!
Perhaps we need to ‘drag’ the Speaker kicking and screaming to the “impeachment table”.
Ehrm, what I meant to say was:
Hail, Muse PW!
Looks like a unexpected shot at capturing another House seat in NJ popped up
Republican Congressman in NJ to Retire
Representative Mike Ferguson of New Jersey, a Republican who narrowly won re-election last year and faced the prospect of another tough race in 2008, announced on Monday that he will retire, dealing an unexpected setback to national leaders of his party.
PW,
Happy Thanksgiving.
Thanks for all you do.
Well as this was just EPU’ed:
OT this via TPM
You can’t make this stuff up. Who says Bush and the Republicans don’t support the troops? They do, just not those malingers who try to get out of duty by getting shot to pieces.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004754.php
In local news — Bumper sticker spotted in Oakland today: READ A FUCKING BOOK!
Obviously the reason the Speaker took impeachment “off the table” was the fact that Pelosi was misled by the obvious facts in the case.
That’s really great news about Frito-Lay, may this inspire many others.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 8
iirc, she said it’s even worse than we know.
John Dean on Olbermann, seems to be disturbed about my party’s reluctance to pursue impeachment.
selise @ 11
If that’s the case, I am even less pleased with the Speaker.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 12
That does not make him unique, OKK.
It would put Pelosi in a far stronger position to get ‘er done if it were to appear that a sustained majority outcry for impeachment simply forced her at long last to permit it to proceed.
Cue McClellan, cue Olbermann, cue Gregory, et al.
this is a bit disturbing:
Facebook, the new Big Brother
link
Time to give up the blue “f”?
Elliott @ 10
Sun Chips
“The final questions of the session were: “How would you feel if Hillary [Clinton] bombed Iran? How would you feel if George Bush bombed Iran? “
Did the article reveal the answers by the test group to those questions?
Ghostman
There are lots of fish to fry. I am borderline angry.
John Dean makes a couple of good points:
a) Fitz has never formally closed his investigation, and
b) that the Judiciary Committee of either the House or Senate could pretty quickly have Scotty up in front of them…
on topic sorta
over on Crooks and Liars,Mikes blog roundup,Solar Power Rocks has a graph.
an energy,research and development comparison.
it’s a doozy!
Gawd. These are the people in ‘control’?
Steve-AR @ 16
From the article:
“In fact, they’re details about your life that Facebook has decided to publish to the world on your behalf. In Ari’s case, he found out that his Facebook profile reported that he had bought tickets to a movie the other night – it even listed which movie and the date and time he bought them.”
This is more than disturbing. What gives these corporations the idea they have the right to publish other people’s lives to the world? My dad, who may have valued privacy above every right but that to private property, must be spinning in his grave.
The Cushing spot price for oil closed today at $98.88/bbl.
The weekly EIA report is due out tomorrow on crude oil stocks so this may be pre-positioning but the market has become so erratic that anything and nothing serve as a trigger for speculation nowadays.
Eugene Robinson on Countdown says Democrats would be crazy “not to run with” the McClellan allegations.
newtonusr @ 14
Ironically, Dean made a great point, if the tables were turned, you could be assured that the repugs would’ve pursued it…
Millineryman @ 5
I can’t believe I’m quoting myself.
This is the second opportunity to pick up a seat from a Repug retiring to happen in the past couple weeks.
Rep Saxton Announces Retirement
Could be plus2 from the proud blue state of NJ.
Hugh @ 7
It’s fairly obvious that the DoD is going to be KO’s WPITW tonight for this idiocy.
I’ll say this about facebook, I had zero expectation of privacy to start with.
Of course, the same thing applies to the Internet in general, BushCo has it all stored all ready anyway.
I just hope when I get to the airport, they’ll let me board the plane.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
OKK–
Only borderline? Or is it just because you’re saving your energy?
dakine01 @ 28
Runner-up, Scott McClellan for keeping his mouth shut for so long?
tejanarusa @ 30
He’s pacing himself… ;-)
Karl Rove is a thug. I must stop short of indicating he deserves the same end treatment that that other great fascist, Benito received.
CTuttle @ 26
I noticed that.
Oh, well, in that case I guess it’s all OK, then.
Fitzy interviewed the Prez in June 2004.
He needs to turn that document over to the future committee which will investigate.
I nominate Henry Waxman…
Last week I did a post on my blog regarding the Rethugs attempts to privatize Social Security (and Senator Obama’s unhelpful messaging on the “social security crisis”).
Here’s the nugget that I found most interesting…
“Today I started doing homework on Austan Goolsbee, who is Senator Obama’s chief economic adviser. I expected to hate the dude (because after all, Obama’s talking points on Social Security right now are awful). But I stumbled across this paper by Goolsbee, which, fairly succinctly explains what’s behind Republican efforts to privatize Social Security.
So let me just rephrase what he’s saying:
Republicans want to privatize social security because financial services companies will make $940 billion (that billion with a “b”) dollars off of it.
Said differently, Social Security privatization is a white collar, inside job bank robbery where financial services firms want to steal $940 billion dollars (or 20% of the value of all retirement funds) from the elderly in our country.
Social Security is not in crisis.
Rather, the only crisis Social Security faces is the threat of a bank robbery by financial services firms aided and abetted by Republicans (and idiot Democrats who didn’t get the memo that this is a bank robbery) who want to rob from the elderly and give to the rich.”
Here’s the (link) to the full post.
selise @ 11
IIRC, she said we don’t know the half of it… Can we make it another 14 months?
We need a Democratic Speaker of the House who is against the Iraq Genocide. Jack Murtha for Speaker.
Bay State Librul @ 36
Bush was not under oath, and he had his minder, Cheney, by his side throughout.
Frank33 @ 39
Murtha is against the war but outside of that he is a conservative and a crook.
Steve-AR @ 16
I did.
Scott McClellan and Colin Powell. Can we hold these men up to our children as grown-ups of principle? Role models perhaps.
Loo Hoo. @ 42
Me too.
well, the entire dialogue is misplaced, social security isn’t a retirement plan that’s only a small facet, social security is a program that provides a cusion for society
there are many facets of social security
Hugh @ 41
Nancy Pelosi is a Conservative and a Liar, and she is comfortable with the War and needs to go.
neurophius @ 31
Haven’t gotten that far as yet. I’m speculating since KO has teased it twice already.
BTW, from last thread, everyone that I listed got their start as “journalists” AFTER having been Congressional or WH staffers except for the Novakula who has shown by his actions that he is not a journalist.
LS @ 44
Why? Just don’t update it…
neurophius @ 40
True. Can we use it as “circumstantial
evidence” in the impeachment process.
Pelosi & Reid need to jump on impeachment.
Is Scotty, the smoking tape?
By Bush squashing Scooter’s sentence, it is
prima facie evidence of a conspiracy…
Loo Hoo. @ 42
How does facebook know what you buy? This sounds a little urban legend-y to me.
CTuttle @ 48
That is what I did. Minimal info, I just never developed it.
dakine01 @ 47
THAT is a very interesting observation
one of these is not like the other;
The final questions of the session were:
“How would you feel if Hillary [Clinton] bombed Iran?
How would you feel if George Bush bombed Iran?
how would you feel if Israel bombed Iran?”
I know it could be a hypothetical with a non choice placed in there but what the FRIG are they doing insinuating hilary will bomb Iran?
what the FRIG
Bush was not under oath,…
Doesn’t matter. Can’t lie to a fed conducting an investigation.
Elliott @ 52
Well it’s the type of action that is prime WPITW material and kind of hard to beat. And would be a strong candidate for a WPITW of the year.
jayt @ 54
Exactly, perjury is perjury…
Do you support our soldiers? If so, bring them all home. Stop the funding.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
Now!
ali-ari and the green chips?
I think we need to have Fitzy come forward…
No ducking, bobbing or head fakes…
He will probably say he is waiting for the
Libby appeal to be finalized… and where
the fuck is that?
Here is the bottom, bottom line. Do you support the impeachment of George W. Bush?
RFK:
This is an excellent, succinct description.
Most of that has been revealed before, but it’s never gotten much traction. Like so much other evil done/planned by the Bushco media and naive Democrats couldn’t believe it was that bad.
dakine01 @ 55
Heh, KO just alluded to the refunds demanded by DoD… Stay tuned…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 61
Yes.
But impeach Cheney first.
Well it’s the type of action that is prime WPITW material and kind of hard to beat. And would be a strong candidate for a WPITW of the year.
That’s “Special Comment” material…
Elliott @ 29
I am about as angry, yet as tame as it gets. And when it came time for me to fly to MA to visit my daughter, I was stopped before i could get my boarding pass. I’m on the list.
My son congratulated me. My daughter just laughed. I asked her to hold the laughter as she might need it as we are related and likely on any list I am on.
Privacy?
perris @ 53
Well, I read that as: “All in all, wouldn’t you feel better if it’s Israel that bombs Iran, and not US?”
Personally my answer to all three forms of the question would have been “I would feel beyond petrified, and beyond outraged.”
I even think Novak at one time alluded to Bush
knowing what the fuck was going on…
High crimes and many misdemenors… (sp)
I must post a snippet from that link;
Heh, DoD is WPITW!
leslie @ 66
WOW! that sucks
can you get yourself off of it?
cleter @ 50
Have you ever opened Amazon.com and gotten recommendations? They’re based on what you’ve bought or browsed before.
According to the linked article, the info comes from Facebooks “partners.” Online merchants collect that information, and if they are Facebook partners, it will be transmitted to Facebook, which then publishes it. You don’t have to update.
Loo Hoo. @ 42
How did you get the “f” off of your fdl comments?
Also, when I went to take myself off facebook, they made me inactive. As far as I can tell, they did not take me out of their database. Is there a way out?
Absolutely totally OT…I am a sometime poster; know some of you from the auction that didn’t happen. I am posting a remembrance of my brother, who died on Sunday. I want to share it with the FDL community because you are family for me. Even though I almost never post, I read every day and you have all given me hope and affirmation and I feel that my brother’s exceptional life should be remembered, in whatever way I can muster.
Thanks, Jane and Christy and Marcy and all the other posters who have given me hope and love in these desperate times.
I ask for a toast for my brother, an exceptional person, loved by all.
Hmmm. @ 67
I’d feel better if Israel bombed Iran with ari and his friends.
Again @ 74
I am so sorry for your loss and hope that the healing will begin with your obvious love for your brother.
Again @ 74
Here’s to your brother.
Again @ 74
A toast to you and your brother, sorry for your loss.
Again @ 74
I’ll give a nod, and a sip of my whiskey….to your brother. It is done.
Ghostman
perris @ 69
The SSA Trustees have already stated that raising the cap above $89,000 to $250,000 would make it solvent well beyond the 2042 deadline…
Again @ 74
My heart goes to you and your family. I hope you have warm memories to hold you.
Loo Hoo. @ 42
Just deactivated my account. I couldn’t find any way to actually delete it.
I wasn’t really using it anyway – just not comfortable putting that much info onto a public space – and I didn’t really feel like taking time to maintain it.
Again,
I am sorry for your loss. Here’s to the both of you.
Again @ 74
Sorry for your loss… Please, comment/post more often…
cleter @ 50
Just creepy. I haven’t cancelled the account yet, but I can figure out why they would allow us to communicate with each other this way. What’s in it for them? Obviously something.
((((((Again))))))))))
((((((Again’s brother)))))))))
A heartfelt toast to your brother, Again…
Clink.
Again @ 74
i’m glad you find some comfort in visiting here and i’m so very sorry for your loss. please feel free to share more with us. {{hugs}}
Elliott @ 71
I think I have to contact my congress critter. I should have, but they did finally give me the boarding pass. When I asked about how the list works, the security person said, “Oh don’t worry, there are so many names they hardly mean anything anymore. My name is even on it.”
Gives real meaning to Homeland Security, no?
The lake is a place of great consolation.
Again @ 74
Consider my glass lifted. Be good to yourself, and be glad for the time you had with him.
Bay State Librul @ 60
e only needs to be subpoenaed by one of the congressional committees and put under oath, as far as I know. He would then have to spill, right Jayt? (or any other attorney)
Again @ 74
The “Big Shoulders” blog… Clink!
The best to you and yours.
((((Again))))
(((Again’s brother)))
I would expect a center-of-the-sun-hot Jane or Christy post w/r/t Scotty’s Surprise any minute now.
leslie – despite the TSA person’s reassurance, I find this really scary. And I’ve heard repeatedly that it is not possible to get off the list.
OTOH, when someone from DOH or TSA was being interviewed on an NPR show last year sometime, he said you can. And I believe he did say to contact your Congressperson. But do we believe him?
leslie @ 66
Did they give an explanation? What did you do? What do you have in terms of recourse?
leslie @ 90
No.
I’m glad you got on board, tho. I can’t imagine what would happen otherwise
Hmmm at 96 – Did you see this?
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..-for-bush/
leslie @ 90
I’m left speechless, why would he/she not be concerned… For two reasons, first, the watering down of the list, and, secondly, why would they be on the list… There is a background check required…
D’oh! Not on Scotty at all: Eli on Rahm upstairs.
I went to facebook and cancelled my account. Then when I got a message from a friend, I reactivated it and the blue f was gone.
Thanks to everyone. I said today that I needed to form a talking club in my brother’s memory; we could talk our way through the grief. Although I’ve lost both parents and a sister, this seems to be the loss that has most affected me. If you had known him, you would understand. Thanks, again. Hi, Millineryman.
Thanks, tejanarusa… missed it totally, that was before I was even awake today. Thank you very much!
Methane digesters were utilized by Germany before the 2nd world war, as embargos and blockades forced her into autarky. The same circumstances gave rise to Buna (synthetic) rubber. When push comes to shove, you come up with solutions that might not have occurred to anyone in happier imperial times.
(((((AGAIN)))))
Hmmm. @ 105
Hey, I usually miss the daytime posts myself. Today was an exception.
Hello! Just in time to be EPU’d. ;-)
We are getting so close to Thanksgiving. Lahoma says to be extra careful. That there are plenty of bad drivers out there. Believe me, this woman knows what’s best. Good evening.
alank @ 106
Now they’re especially useful, both as a way to provide energy and as a means of keeping a greenhouse gas out of the atmosphere.
Again @ 74
You got it, Again!
Jonathan @ 6
Thanks, Jonathan. How are you?
Again,
I am sorry for your loss, and hope the waters of the lake will continue to soothe you. A toast for you and your brother.
Loo Hoo. @ 98
tejanarusa @ 97
Elliott @ 99
Elliott @ 99
CTuttle @ 101
First, I’d like to thank you all (and anyone I might have missed) for your responses. I have had about 5 phone calls re:the Thanksgiving dinner that I am having and have been away from FDL for quite some time.
I have heard there is no way to get your name off the list, but my congress person has helped some people I know, to not have to go through much worse than I.
Also, the day before I flew out (and I have really done nothing more than comment on this and other blogs – not even greatly at that – attend anti-war demonstrations, sign petitions, donate some dollars to candidates,and write a few emails to congress and the WH) the we learned via the news that more than 775,000 names are now on the watch list. I imagine that is why the security agent said what she did. I don’t think it is humorous. I think this is a dangerous time to be against authority. And I don’t know quite what to do about it. So except to speak with my congresswoman, I am at a loss.
I think we need to do something, but I don’t know what. And I plan to continue holding my same values and giving voice where I can. Other than that – and watching “V” and “1984″ and reading FDL and some other blogs for intelligent information and thoughts, I remain at a loss.
leslie @ 115
sharing and caring’s a good starting place
Noted elsewhere: John Templeton is one of the chief supporters of Freedom’s Watch. The man who founded the Templeton Foundation which funds basic research in science and awards a prize with a lot of $$$ to recognize `spiritual discovery’. Look to the foundation purpose -
I guess that love etc. applies when you are talking about judeo-christian culture and that blowing away muslim countries we don’t like is fair game.
Phoenix Woman wrote:
Does this mean Hillary is definitely in on attacking Iran?
Do we dare parse words from the Right or should we just toss it in the trash?
Hillary is the candidate of the israel lobby, at least after Rudy G, and this shows they think she will win.
Freedom Watch is being sued for name trademark infringement. Cited at link below