About the only real reason to keep US troops in Iraq has been the understandable worry that, as bad as things are right now, withdrawing our troops will only make things worse for the Iraqi people.
Well, the Brits have had their troops out of Basra for two and a half months now — and guess what? The violence level’s dropped by 90%. That’s right, Ninety Friggin’ Percent:
The British army says violence in Basra has fallen by 90% since it withdrew from the southern Iraqi city earlier this year.
[...]
A spokesman says the Iraqi security forces still come under attack from militants in Basra, but the overall level of violence is down 90% since the British troops left.
As I was skipping over to Daily Kos to see if I could diary this, I found that somebody’d beaten me to it — and that the IHT article he cited was meatier than the UK Dublin, Ireland Independent piece I’ve linked to above. Check it out:
Attacks against British and Iraqi forces have plunged by 90 percent in southern Iraq since London withdrew its troops from the main city of Basra, the commander of British forces there said Thursday.
The presence of British forces in downtown Basra, Iraq’s second-largest city, was the single largest instigator of violence, Maj. Gen. Graham Binns told reporters Thursday on a visit to Baghdad’s Green Zone.
“We thought, ‘If 90 percent of the violence is directed at us, what would happen if we stepped back?’” Binns said.
Britain’s 5,000 troops moved out of a former Saddam Hussein palace at Basra’s heart in early September, setting up a garrison at an airport on the city’s edge. Since that pullback, there’s been a “remarkable and dramatic drop in attacks,” Binns said.
“The motivation for attacking us was gone, because we’re no longer patrolling the streets,” he said.
Granted, Basra isn’t generally seen as being as prone to sectarian violence as the Sunni triangle that includes Baghdad, Iraq’s most populous city. But in Basra, which is Iraq’s second-most populous city, the bulk of the attacks weren’t sectarian anyway — they were directed straight at the Brits. As General Binns said, 90% of the attacks were directed at the Brits, and these attacks stopped when the Brits left; furthermore, there wasn’t an increase in sectarian attacks.
In addition, the idea that the Baghdad/Sunni Triangle area is the only really violent spot in Iraq has been seriously questioned, if not debunked outright, by the Johns Hopkins-Lancet study; according to the study, the level of casualties is actually lower in Baghdad than in Anbar province or Mosul, and is pretty close to that of Basra. (See the graphic above, taken from the Johns Hopkins study.) Except now, there are considerably fewer casualties from Basra — which the graphic shows as ‘Basrah’ — since the British pulled out their troops.
Even the sectarian violence against women, which started well before the Brits pulled out, has dropped slightly, though whether it stays dropped is anyone’s guess:
Forty-two women were killed between July and September this year, although the number dropped slightly in October, [General Khalaf] said.
[...]
He also said that repression against women had been going on while British forces were still in the city, prior to their withdrawal to Basra airport in September.
Meanwhile, as early as early last month, the drastic overall drop in violence had already encouraged Basrans to start living again:
Residents of Iraq’s southern city of Basra have begun strolling riverfront streets again after four years of fear, their city much quieter since British troops withdrew from the grand Saddam Hussein-era Basra Palace.
Political assassinations and sectarian violence continue, some city officials say, but on a much smaller scale than at any time since British troops moved into the city after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.
[...]
“The situation these days is better. We were living in hell … the area is calm since their withdrawal,” said housewife Khairiya Salman, who lives near the palace.
Civil servant Wisam Abdul Sada agreed. “We do not hear the sounds of explosions which were shaking our houses and terrifying our women and children,” he told Reuters.
As Jeffrey Feldman and General Binns say, it’s really quite simple: Troops leave, violence drops.
But of course, if we remove ourselves from Iraq, then there’s nothing to stop the Iraqi government from, say, deciding to switch back to using the euro (which Iraq had been using since 2000) instead of the dollar when selling their oil. (One of the first things Bush did after invading Iraq was to forcibly switch oil sales to the dollar.) Or from thwarting the planned law that would put trillions of dollars into BushCo coffers. (More on this here.) So Bush and his oil-company buddies will do whatever they can to stop the pullout.
Related posts:
- Changing of the Guard: US Troops Withdraw from Iraqi Cities; Maliki Declares “Sovereignty Day”
- Domestic Violence Awareness Month
- Remember Iraq or Ray Odierno is Still Wrong
- Torture: Obama Heeded Maliki on Abuse Photos, Says McClatchy; What That Says for Our Occupation
- US Contractors Held in Iraqi Jail for Green Zone Murder





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PW!
Hello!
BADA BING! x2
So PW:
Which farmer’s market do you go to?
Hi PW!
I’m shocked!
Now read the frackin’ post, Bio! Or I’m comin’ after you! ;-)
Sounds like common sense to me!
Biodun, you’re really fast today!
Hi, PW!
Biodun @ 4
The Saint Paul one. It’s open Saturdays year-round (winter hours are 9am-noon) and Saturdays and Sundays from late April to late November.
Hello, PW. Must say, I’m not surprised at the numbers.
If the U.S. military left Iraq, U.S. oil cos might not get title to Iraq oil. Just not going to happen.
After reading the link about the B’s Oil Cartel, I had a weird thought.
If all the DFHs go out and get energy efficient autos, then we might be handing Some People a reason to say that all of our soldiers died for nothing.
Hmmmmm?
And another thing, I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for any leading D to publicize this phenomenon.
I’m reading the post right now, PW…*g*
Phoenix Woman @ 6
we’re suppose to read the post!?!?!
:)
(S)elect two “oilmen” to head the US government, and you get wars for oil.
Quelle surprise.
As Pogo said, “We have met the enemy, and he is us.”
TROOPS
HOME
NOW
How odd. It’s almost as though Iraq violence were predominantly direced against occupying foreign forces.
Hmmm. @ 16
Go figger. Whole reason for suicide bombers too.
eCAHNomics @ 9
But I wonder what would happen if the US taxed the oil companies to pay for their resource war? It’s really just another cost of doing business, right? So why shouldn’t ChevExxBPMob pay the tab?
eCAHNomics @ 9
They’re looking at $30 trillion in known and likely reserves in Iraq — northern Iraq is still almost-virgin — and since none of the $1 trillion the war has cost us so far has come out of their hides, why should they care if it collapses our country?
Pffft … next you’ll be telling us we would have saved thousands of lives and Billions of $$$ if Bush had not invaded Iraq in the first place … /s
((((( PW )))))
That link above is actually to the Irish newspaper The Independent, which is unrelated to the UK newspaper. Plus the link itself (on the phrase “Ninety Friggin’ Percent”) gives me a 404 error…
TeddySanFran @ 18
Fascism: Socialize the costs, privatize the benefits.
eCAHNomics @ 17
Uh-huh. Funny thing: Most attacks on US troops are done by Sunni insurgents, yet who are we crapping on? The Shia militias.
demi @ 11
If the “right” to be energy-inefficient was the real “reason” behind this war, then Some People will be too embarrassed to say so out loud in public.
peanutbutter @ 21
Hmmmm — it worked earlier! Lemme check…
eCAHNomics @ 22
Brilliant !
TeddySanFran @ 18
And replace the flag on the uniform with the company logo so people know who the real enemy is.
So how much is that in Cheneys, five?
If a Friedman unit is six months, is a Cheney six years?
Let’s see. Iraqi people want us out, American people want us out. The Iraqi government wants us out, the majority in our government want us out. Cheney and the oil corporations want us in. How does that work on a balance scale?
Phoenix Woman @ 19
PW Did you read Armed Madhouse? Palast claims there’s more oil in Sunni Trainagle (iirc) than in Arabia, and that it’s been purposely redlined since the Brits arrived in order to keep it off the market (to maintain the high oil price). That’s why the oil cos. want to get their mitts on it. Not to sell it, but to make sure it doesn’t get sold.
Phoenix Woman @ 23
Making your enemies stronger = perpetual war = more $$$ for Bush’s friends … Mission Accomplished !
Loo Hoo. @ 29
Well, the oil companies have more money than all the rest of us combined :-P
Left you and EPU’d comment downstairs, btw!
eCAHNomics — left you an EPU’ed reply downstairs, if you’re interested.
I hadn’t realized that Iraq was using the euro before we went in there. Interesting… And now the “supermodel” Giselle wants to be paid in euros, although she supposedly denies that.
eCAHNomics @ 22
Well said.
Redshift @ 33
Going to look.
Wrote back, PB.
Bustednuckles @ 28
Well, I know that a Cheney is an anatomically impossible act, but I’m unfamiliar with Cheney the time unit.
eCAHNomics @ 30
Wouldn’t surprise me — that’s the exact strategy DeBeers has used for decades to keep diamond prices artificially high. (Diamonds are actually fairly common, so much so that they really should only be a semi-precious stone. But DeBeers buys up every damned diamond find it can and then sits on it so as to keep the newly-found diamonds off the market.)
eCAHNomics @ 36
Left you one back.
Of course, it makes sense that the violence would drop if US troops leave. When we went there, we opened up a campus for the jihadists, who then flocked there to get their training before subsequent assignments/deployments to different parts of the globe. If the troops leave, then the students will also leave, since there will be no professors (US troops) on campus, so to speak.
Secret US plans for Iraq oil:
link to Palast article.
Biodun @ 34
I don’t think they actually did, but they were preparing to do so, which some people have speculated triggered the Iraq war. Not sure about that, but it had to have been a contributing factor.
PW@39
Exactly. Actually when I read Palast I had to give my forehead a really hard slap because I should have thought of that myself. It makes so much more sense than actually working for a living by actually drilling, refining, etc.
it makes sense. so we won’t do it.
“Let me simplify . . . and not just to be rhetorical: A coup has occurred. I woke up the other day realizing, coming out of sleep, that a coup has occurred. It’s not just a question that a coup lies ahead with the next 9-11. That’s the next coup that completes the first.
The last five years have seen a steady assault on every fundamental of our Constitution . . . what the rest of the world looked at for the last 200 years as a model and experiment to the rest of the world—in checks and balances, limited government, Bill of Rights, individual rights protected from majority infringement by the Congress, an independent judiciary, the possibility of impeachment.”
Daniel Ellsberg
http://www.americanfreepress.n…..sider.html
Loo Hoo. @ 37 –
sorry for the ot – loo hoo, a couple threads back you wrote that the vcards had worked for you… do you by any chance use outlook on a pc? thx.
back to your regularly scheduled programing…
selise @ 47
Oh, and where are the vcards? I can poke at it right now.
Another thing to add. Those in the know have been saying all along that as soon as the U.S. leaves, AQI will be toast because the local militias will eliminate them. So what do you think the Anbar Awakening turned out to be, huh.
Turn safety over to Sunni tribes, and Al Qaeda gets run out of town. Turn safety over to Shia in the South and attacks plummet instead of chaotically spiraling out of control. The two major talking points for hawks against our withdrawal getting proven false.
I’d just point out that there has long been a legitimate concern that the very act of withdrawing would result in a dangerous increase in violence and attacks on the flanks of military attempting to redeploy, so this news with the Brits in Basra is encouraging in this way as well. Maybe Bush could learn something from what they did, but that would be asking too much.
Uh-oh, PW, this is a post that could be infiltrated by the State’s Concern Trolls… ;-)
peanutbutter @ 48
here. thanks!
Concerning concluding comment: More information on the same
topic:
http://ww4report.com/node/4611
peanutbutter @ 48
Here PB
CTuttle @ 51
The United States is doing a really good job in Iraq.
C. Rice
selise @ 47
BTW, selise, I was able to enter the v-cards into Outlook Express directly from within the Mac while using Parallels, and from within XP Pro itself. Just dragged them into the “Address Book” window and confirmed each one. No good reason it shouldn’t work in Outlook.
eCAHNomics @ 55
Heh, sock puppeting can get ya banned… :P
ya, I posted this the other day
here’s the thing though, progressives have ALWAYS know this
muhrtha said it himself, “we are the targets, we are causing the problem”
and it is brutally clear, our presence has brought unrest to the middle east
BUT WAIT A MINUTE;
that’s EXACTLY what they want, they WANT the planet destabilized, the sick maniacs in the pnac have been preaching “unrest around the world” since the days of Clinton, it’s how they plan to steal, it’s how they will acquire the treasure of the middle east, the treasure of America’s middle class and the treasure from our children
IT IS WHAT THEY WANT
Naomi Klein was on yesterday talking about “the shock doctrine”
they were ready for a catastrophe so the could unleash their sick plans with as little friction as possible
please to watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..hp?t=92241
watch that youtube beginning to end, then go out and buy Naomi’s book
the technique works on the masses however there is no doubt, there is no doubt they were waiting for a catastrophe
the technique looses it’s effectiveness if the subjects know about the technique… the inoculation against mass shock doctrine is the simple knowledge that it works
individual shock doctrine will work even if you know about it but mass shock doctrine needs ignorance to be effective
most of us here at the lake were somehow imune from the shock doctrine as it was happening, most of us saw the manipulation and we spoke out… AT THE TOP OF OUR LUNGS
but of course the strategy worked on the masses, not only the simple minded either, plenty of intelligent people that I respect fell victim to this technique
I don’t know why most of us were immune here at the lake but maybe it’s the fact that those of us that were immune to the technique migrated to this place
times have changed around the world because of the events in America and because of those sick and maniacal who used those events to implement the shock doctrine
times might change again in the near future from a similar event or a natural catastrophe, either deliberate or natural, they are waiting yet again to do it yet again
the technique won’t work on those of us that understand how we might be manipulated through “the shock doctrine”
share this youtube PLEASE. share it with everyone you know cuz I believe they will use it in the near future, they do not want to give up the power they’ve acquired, they do not want the next administration to give back what was taken from us
personally I think the democrats need to take out air time and broadcast the above you tube with every last asset they have
our dollars are becoming worthless, they sooner the democrats spend their assets the more they will get for their investment because day by day the dollar is worth less and less
that youtube MUST go viral
share with everyone you know
selise @ 52
I get an unable to extract error.
Selise, I just tried to open it again, and I get the icons and names of the senators, but when I click on them, I get no info. Not in outlook, it’s just a zip file. I’ll wait for peanutbutter. She’s a teckie by profession!
Hey, LS! Missed you.
Perris @ 58 … that video needs to go viral only in America … the rest of the world cottoned onto U.S. Foreign Policy decades ago.
Loo Hoo. @ 61
Aim lower next time … *g*
((((( LS )))))
Hello gang, apologies for this sort of OT linky. If you want to talk with your money, you might find this helpful. Disclaimer: call your own financial experts first!
SF Chronicle article re progressive mutual funds
“We thought, ‘If 90 percent of the violence is directed at us, what would happen if we stepped back?’” Binns said.
Spot the difference?
“We thought”. There you have it, Thought.
newtonusr @ 56
that’s reassuring.
tw3k @ 59
Loo Hoo. @ 60
that’s not reassuring.
sounds like both of you are having trouble expanding the zip file?
Don’t you yourself gives the reasons for why this is not particularly telling for us? If the overwhelming majority of attacks are on the occupying troops, then removing the troops removes the target – obviously. So if we remove American troops, there will not be attacks on American troops. But what percentage of attacks are on American troops, what percentage of casualties are American? Certainly nothing like the numbers the Brits are giving us here.
selise @ 66
nope, the zip won’t open for me.
Loo Hoo. @ 61
Waving!!! :)
PW you just ruined the whole the SURGE is working causalities are down since the SURGE started GOP talking point.
Plus the Mahdi Army which operates in Bagdad is in a ceasefire. Between these two causes you have to wonder if the SURGE is having any effect.
Because if the Mahdi Army doesn’t fight then I’m betting the revenge attacks by everyone else in response to Mahdi army attacks goes down.
Plus the revenge attacks for uninintentional killings by both sides.
The “Give Peace a Chance ” John Lennon plan is Working!
Imagine that all the realists Neocons with False Bismarckian RealPolitic Pretensions are wrong again.
selise – did you zip the second file, the folder full of v-cards, from the Mac Finder, or with a utility?
Analyze This:
;>
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/cookienotes/
Hi PW. Seems that the warmongers never notice trends like this, especially when they’re accusing us of not supporting the troops.
LS @ 72
crib notes? lol
newtonusr @ 71
stuffit deluxe v10 (i’m a couple of versions behind)
Happy Birthday newtonusr!
selise @ 75
Try right mouse click, or ctrl-click, then select Create Achieve …
newtonusr @ 71
do you advise i should go back to the single file?
PW – my apologies for the distration.
Here’s a link to a long but interesting govt study on the revenue of tax rate cuts and increases–hint- what the supply siders say will happen when you cut tax rates does NOT happen…
http://www.treasury.gov/office…../ota81.pdf
Muzzy @ 50
Exactly. The Al-Qaeda clowns aren’t just out-of-townies, they’re Sunni out-of-townies. The local Sunni insurgents, the core of whom are former Ba’athists from Saddam’s army, see them as frickin’ dilletante cannon fodder at best and idiots who get in the way at worst. And the Shia just plain hate them, period. The only people that both groups hate worse is (drum roll, please): Us.
Yupper.
There’s no level of suffering that Bush won’t see inflicted on others to further his own goals.
Elliott @ 76
Elliott is birthday hawk! :)
Thank you, Elliott!
selise – email…
Phoenix Woman @ 80
uniter not divider?
I cannot say what I think should happen to George W. Bust as a result of his war crimes. I’d be put in jail.
Happy Birthday Newtonusr!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 84
Good chance we’ll all be in jail by the time this is over.
Thank you, Things!
eCAHNomics @ 86
Such a pessimist! It’s dissenter camp, not jail.
The Shock Doctrine video is….well, shocking, but true.
TexBetsy @ 88
Ah of course, where our brains will be retrained.
Newton, I am still hunting down your cake. Wishes and treats at late night, if you’re there. :)
LooHoo
It’s true that most americans and Iraqis want us out- BUT NOT NOW- they always say “within the next year”.
Happy Birthday Newtonusr!
Phoenix Woman,
I digg this post. Thank you for pulling this information together and deflating BushCo’s fake claims.
can’t wait till BushCo gets justice.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 84
I think that if Bush is found guilty of anything he should be treated just like any American and housed in General Population.
The current state of our prisions should be discussed more.
Phoenix Woman @ 80
PW – What are Bush’s goals exactly? I have yet to figure that out. I can only assume $$$$$ first and foremost, but are there other goals?
I would not be surprised if it was just the $$$$.
eCAHNomics @ 86
I call top bunk!
Things Come Undone @ 97
Can we bring our computers????
Hi eCAHN! Thanks!
rwcole @ 92
Yes Next Year January works for me.
“What are Bush’s goals exactly?”
Best question of the day. Something to do with oil- but what exactly- and is he achieving any of em. Since he refuses to tell us what they are- it’s difficult to evaluate…
Iraqi oil sold in dollars- probably. Supply agreements with US companies? Probably. Production agreements? Probably. Long term leases ? If he can get em. Taking Iraqi production out of the hands of OPEC? Most likely…Lower prices? Maybe..
If those represent his goals- then he’s not doing well- not well at all.
tw3k @ 77
done, i think. will you try again? thanks!
Freedom and democracy.
C. Rice
selise @ 102
Bring it!
LS @ 98
Sure bribe or threaten the guards to look the other way people have brought in weapons, women, drugs, have had sex with guards both male and female.
Anything can be bought for a price its the perfect Milton Friedmen economy, and like all Milton Friedmen ideas its supported by tax payers because thats the only way his ideas work.
Jeff @ 67
burt burt
the “brits”are talking about their situation in Basra.only.
not the situation for other forces.
if other forces were withdrawn in the same way the liklihood of the reduction of death and maiming would be correspondingly high.
Elliott @ 94
Thanks, you Digger, you! Leveller! ;-)
From LS’s article at 46:
We have a really unusual concentration here and in this audience, of people who have in fact changed their lives, changed their position, lost their friends to a large extent, risked and experienced being called terrible names, ‘traitor,’ ‘weak on terrorism’—names that politicians will do anything to avoid being called.
I have two sets of friends I don’t see any more. They voted for tax cuts instead of the Constitution. I often eat lunch in my room reading FDL rather than eating in the staff lounge, where everyone is oblivious to what is being stolen from them. Life has changed. I think that’s why our meet-ups are so special. Love you guys!
Loo Hoo. @ 108
((((( Loo Hoo )))))
newtonusr @ 104
does that mean it works?
rwcole @ 101
Thanks rw!
All sound plausible, and, you’re right, if those are some or all of his goals, what an underachievement! From what I gather, however, underachieving is what he’s best at. And, if it’s Shrub’s underachievement, it’s Cheney’s too. HA HA Dick! Live with that!
selise @ 102
nope, same error (Error 1 – Operation not permitted) from the Finder.
It did work using ‘unzip’ from the command line.
From right into the addressbook. Thanks selise!
Iraq has WMD’s. They are located South of the Northeast corner of the Western province under the sand dunes and are guarded by
camelsAl Qaeda. When we find them, we can leave.Drummy2003
POLL: Post-Dispatch Missouri Gov
“A new St Louis Post-Dispatch/KMOV-TV statewide survey of 800 likely voters in Missouri (conducted 11/12 through 11/15 by Research 2000) finds Atty Gen. Jay Nixon leading Gov. Matt Blunt (51% to 42%) in a statewide match-up for Governor.”
–
Another gooper bites the dust?
((( Newtonusr ))) – Happy Birthday Dood !!!
kdh22 @ 111
Oil cos. & security cos. are making big dough. Mission accomplished.
LS @ 113
is that anywhere left of France?
Oops wait selise. The second one did unzip from the Finder!
My desktop is too messy.
WMD’s are like truffles — only pigs and dogs can find them.
Drummy2003
Petro! Thanks!
Happy Birthday newtonusr!!
Hi LS. Thank you!
Imagine what would happen if we withdrawl, the causality rate would go way, way down. After all no offense to the Brits but we Americans are the focus for a lot more hate than they were so if we leave the focus of the hate goes away.
Victory over Bush parties will spring up all over Iraq. Mosques will be filled with happy , smiling, people praying.
Sure their will be a civil war,…well maybe Bush has been WRONG about EVERYTHING so far so I’m thinking why would he be right on this point?
Hi all :)
Hope all had good weekends, love the U-Tube of the get-together :)
I think the British are beginning to stand separate from Bush and Co, their on-going push for war against Iran using the same lies/crap from the run up to Iraq is really showing their asses and as a policy/option, is just insane and it is being noted.
Bush and Co are looking more and more like very dangerous/greedy idiots with nasty toys to most of the rest of the world.
Interesting times….
OT :)
I know this is fairly oldish, but just how much did the markets fall in the last month or so???
‘A huge downside purchase of “put” options by an unknown investor or conglomerate in Europe has both investors and NWO watchers abuzz worldwide. Someone has placed a $4.5 billion bet that within 30 days the European stock market will take at least a 33% nosedive. Such an event would be tantamount to the market crash of 1929.’
http://www.americanfreepress.n…..lator.html
newtonusr @ 120
Please upload some more unedited
videosphotos … *g*Things Come Undone @ 123
It would probably unite the population.
rwcole @ 101
The goals for the Bush Administration involve enriching the Bush family and their cronies. Those goals are being well accomplished. However, George W. Bush is simply the “Useful Idiot”.
From Political Wire:
A new Harris Interactive Poll shows Sen. Hillary Clinton for the first time earning a majority of support among Democrats with 52%. She’s followed by Sen. Barack Obama at 29% and John Edwards at 11%. None of the other Democratic candidates scored more than 3%.
In the GOP race, Rudy Giuliani expanded his lead by three points with 34% support, followed by Fred Thompson at 20%, Mitt Romney at 16%, Sen. John McCain at 13%, Mike Huckabee at 9%, and Rep. Ron Paul at 6%.
Key finding: Thompson has dropped 12 points in the poll since he formally announced his candidacy in September.
eCAHNomics @ 116
That’s true. There’s a part of me, though, that hopes that their egos factor in the mix. Maybe not. Maybe it is just the $$$$, as I said above. eCAHN, why ya gotta steal the little joy in my day? *g*
tw3k @ 118
thank you! i was about ready to panic – i’d just sent the link to siun to and christy!
p.s. i think we may have already discussed our views about empty desks and empty minds *g*
Things Come Undone @ 123
I think a great deal of the ethnic cleansing has already been done under our watch, but I could be wrong about that.
The Sunnis still want to control the country and they’ve been cut out. So they might make a fight for it.
jackie @ 124
Hi
‘A huge downside purchase of “put” options by an unknown investor or conglomerate in Europe has both investors and NWO watchers abuzz worldwide. Someone has placed a $4.5 billion bet that within 30 days the European stock market will take at least a 33% nosedive. Such an event would be tantamount to the market crash of 1929.’
http://www.americanfreepress.n…..lator.html
I just read about “liquidity put” the other day.
kdh22@129
Joy not allowed until after the next election, and maybe not even then.
WhooHoo! Grand jury investigation of Blackwater.
Loo Hoo. @ 128
Seems like some of the Thompson supporters are wondering what they were thinking.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmsp…..0002631203
jackie @ 124
Also of interest…if you go to my comment/link at #72, you will see Cookie Krongard’s handwritten notes of his telephone conversation with Buzzy. He actually refers to “rumors” about the pre-9/11 knowledge via Alex Brown and the put options, as well as “rumors” …I thought that was a little strange; especially, considering that the note is supposed to show that Cookie was unaware that Buzzy had actually joined Blackwater’s board…All of this took place during a 10 minute conversation…
selise @ 130
LOL! True :)
I noticed that that first one was trying to overwrite /usr/bin/ditto
Kinda weird error.
eCAHNomics @ 133
I’ll keep it in check from here on out.
Jakie @124
I read the NY Times the Chicago tribune almost everday after 9/11, I also read the Investors Business Daily and the Financial Times because I made the count and passed out the papers to the drivers and agencies at our delivery warehouse.
I heard the Put story I never heard of CIA involvment from the MSM except as crazy Lefty rummors.
Doe anybody know the accuracy of this news source this story is way to big to not be fact checked and confirmed by other media.
I’m not doubting you Jackie but when things this big appear in my life I get paranoid and wonder about the fine print. But I am taking you seriously which is a compliment :)
“In the week before September 11, “put” options in United and American Airlines went through a furious and unprecedented spasm of investment. Most of the investments in these put options originated in Germany through the Deutsche Bank. Deutsche Bank had earlier acquired Banker’s Trust, an investment banking firm whose vice chairman in charge of “private client relations” in the late 1990s was A. B. “Buzzy” Krongard.
In March of 2001, Krongard was appointed executive director of the CIA. On September 6-7, when there was no significant news or stock price movement involving United, the Chicago exchange handled 4,744 “put” options for UAL stock, compared with just 396 call options—essentially bets that the price will rise.When the market re-opened on Sept. 17, 2001, American and United, the only two airlines with hijacked planes, saw their stocks plummet by around 40%.
What becomes particularly relevant in the lead-up to 9-11 is the August CIA briefing of President Bush concerning the potential threat of attacks by bin Laden using hijacked planes on certain sites, such as the Pentagon and World Trade Center, and the fact that the CIA had bugging equipment on bin Laden messages and international banking operations. Although apparently no one has claimed the money from the “put” options, questions remain about Krongard and the CIA’s involvement.”
tw3k @ 137
maybe i need to upgrade to the latest version of stuffit? i’ve got all kinds of files archived with stuffit that i don’t want to lose.
many thanks to you and newtonusr. on my own, i know just enough to get myself into trouble!
Ummm…Jane’s upstairs with a new thread.
LS said,
‘Also of interest…if you go to my comment/link at #72, you will see Cookie Krongard’s handwritten notes of his telephone conversation with Buzzy. He actually refers to “rumors” about the pre-9/11 knowledge via Alex Brown and the put options, as well as “rumors” …I thought that was a little strange; especially, considering that the note is supposed to show that Cookie was unaware that Buzzy had actually joined Blackwater’s board…All of this took place during a 10 minute conversation…’
Humm, things really are starting to get interesting…..
eCAHNomics @ 131
But will it be worse than what is happening now?
Things Come Undone says,
‘I’m not doubting you Jackie but when things this big appear in my life I get paranoid and wonder about the fine print. But I am taking you seriously which is a compliment :)’
I do take that as a compliment, Thank-you :)
I’d forgotten the tie-in with A. B. “Buzzy” Krongard and 9/11.
Maybe we are getting closer to the bastards after all..I’ll go see what else I’d forgotten…
selise @ 140
i dunno TBH, I guess i’d keep stuffit around for the achieves you have. I quite using stuffit when osx came out.
I usually use tar and gzip or bzip2
tw3k @ 145
well, my ignorance is showing – once again. i got stuffit deluxe a couple of years ago because i had to archive a bunch of stuff – many big files… and i was space limited. sitx did a good job of compressing the files, and the function to see all the files within an archive and select just one to expand is very useful… but, maybe there are lots of other programs that do that?
however, i thought that the archives i created would be universally accessible…. or maybe it requires the free download of expander?
Okay, Phoenix; I’m damn sure willing. :o)
Anything to get ‘em home, and let the Iraqis decide the future of what used to be Iraq.
BUT! (There’s always a but…:o) ) Let’s not fool ourselves; the reason the violence in Basra has dropped is because Sadr’s Mahdi’s have either worked out truces with the Badr gand and Fadhila, or they have run them out of town.
Which is OK, because that, or something very close to it was pretty much ordained when that first Abrams rolled across the Kuwait border.
The midlands and Baghdad, with their MUCH more balanced population, and with it being the home of the most aggressive and pissed-off Sunnis, will be a horse of a different color.
When our troops leave, they MAY decide to sit down and start some heavy negotiating, or they may not.
My point is, assuming a Kumbayah chorus for central Iraq is a pretty dicey proposition.
Understand, I still think we should get the hell out; with a 90 day timetable for COMPLETE withdrawal, being my time-window-of-choice, for the getting out.
But when we’re getting out (and it NEEDS to be on bush’s watch, of course, so that all the “credit” for Operation Iraqi Clusterfuck goes to the wizards who created it) someone had better be acknowledging that bushCo’s control of the situation is going, going, gone…
Likewise, anyone that wants to get all or even most of the troops out better explain that when the numbers get down substantially, if ANY vestige of american presence in the green zone remains, it is going to morph into the world’s largest and most expensive mortar training range.
In fact, if the Iraqi “government” decides to try to root in there, without tens of thousands of american troops to try to keep the lid on the insurgents and the militias, I’d bet they will have approximately the life-span of Ahmed Chalabi if he takes an afternoon stroll around Baghdad without his Green Bay Packers-sized praetorian guard.
The relative stability of Basra province and it’s environs is due to the fact that most of the people there are Shia. They tire of killing each other fairly readily.
Not so, SUNNIS and Shia. Extrapolating down-south reduction-in-violence to Baghdad and Ramadi and Mosul, etc., is not something that we should do assuming that it will all work out.
We should do it telling the american people that we’re doing it because it’s the least-worst option, and staying will not make things better, but will almost certainly make them worse; especially if we take half-measures and try to keep a substantial military presence there.
By all means, let’s bring the troops home now, or very close to “now”, but let’s not do it claiming that doing it will have all the factions making kissy-face. I think the evidence points, in large measure, the other way.
And here’s a little something that needs to be stirred into the reality-pot.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20…..restshiite
eCAHNomics @ 103
Just a couple of words those idjits saw written somewhere.
If you can find anything other than $$$$$$ let us know.
Things Come Undone @ 105
Can we buy back the lives of all the American soldiers or Iraqi civilians killed in that evil war?
Friedman’s idea was that the Roaring 20s were so wonderful we should revisit them in all their glory. He wasn’t a forward-looking uplifting person.
But, Mark! Pinochet and the Chilean generals liked his ideas!
From today’s LA Times
“The violence remains high, but the current level is a vast improvement, one that turned government spokesman Ali Dabbagh nearly giddy as he spoke on Al Arabiya TV on Monday. Dabbagh said Baghdad had “defeated the forces of darkness” and returned to its glory as “the beautiful city of the ‘One Thousand and One Arabian Nights.’”
This guy would make a great copy writer for Fixed News.