The main story is Salon today is something I have been wondering about for several weeks. We keep hearing about how the Georgia reservoirs have about eighty days of water left. The question nobody seems to be interested in answering (or even contemplating) is exactly what will happen to Atlanta and the surrounding area when those reservoirs actually run out, and everyone in North Georgia turns on their taps and nothing comes out.
Nov. 19, 2007 | Georgia’s on my mind. Atlanta, Ga. It’s a city in trouble in a state in trouble in a region in trouble. Water trouble. Trouble big enough that the state government’s moving fast.
Oh, yeah, the GOP God Squad has gotten right on it and taken swift and decisive action!
Just this week, backed up by a choir singing “Amazing Grace,” accompanied by three Protestant ministers, and 20 demonstrators from the Atlanta Freethought Society, Georgia’s Baptist Gov. Sonny Perdue led a crowd of hundreds in prayers for rain. “We’ve come together here,” he said, “simply for one reason and one reason only: to very reverently and respectfully pray up a storm.”
I think we all went over the results of that sanctimonious clusterf*%k last week.
But that, apparently, is the extent of the Governor’s plan for coping with what could shape up to be a humanitarian, economic, and environmental disaster.
I’ve Googled around, read scores of pieces on the subject, and they all — even the one whose first paragraph asked, “What if Atlanta’s faucets really do go dry?” — seem to end just where my question begins. It’s as if, in each piece, the reporter had reached the edge of some precipice down which no one cares to look, lest we all go over.
Based on the record of the last seven years, we can take it for granted that the Bush administration hasn’t the slightest desire to glance down; that no one in FEMA who matters has given the situation the thought it deserves; and that, on this subject, as on so many others, top administration officials are just hoping to make it to January 2009 without too many more scar marks. But, if not the federal government, shouldn’t somebody be asking? Shouldn’t somebody check out what’s actually down there?
HA HA HAAAA HAA HAAA!! You silly man. Nobody cares about that! Because God is going to save us. Oh, yes, he is. There’s too many good, praying Christians in Georgia for our Magical Sky-Fairy Father to let us sit here and descend into chaos and water riots. We’ve stopped teaching evolution in the schools. We’re still trying to ban Harry Potter. Georgia is a Good Christian State. I just don’t understand why He would smite us with this awful drought.
Despite the fact that Iraq and U.S. officials have made water projects among their top priorities, the percentage of Iraqis without access to decent water supplies has risen from 50 percent to 70 percent since the start of the U.S.-led war, according to an analysis by Oxfam International last summer. The portion of Iraqis lacking decent sanitation was even worse — 80 percent.
And I’m sure that the Army Corps of Engineers and the Republicans in charge at the state and federal level have a really, really good plan. They’re just going to surprise us with it for Christmas instead of the pony I asked for, the bastards.
In my work Inbox today, I found the following:
Athens, November 14 , 2007 – As the state of Georgia continues to grapple with extreme Level 4 drought conditions that threaten the water supply of millions of people, the Red Cross and its emergency partners encourage everyone to prepare for this and other potential disasters with a well-stocked disaster supplies kit. If you have never assembled a disaster supplies kit, the Red Cross urges you to start now, making water storage a top priority.
(…)
Having enough clean water is essential to life. A normally active person needs to drink at least two quarts of water each day. Hot environments can double that amount. Children, nursing mothers and ill people will need even more. You will also need water for food preparation and hygiene. The Red Cross recommends that everyone store at least one-gallon of water, per person, per day. You should store a two-week supply of water for each member of your family.
And I intend to do exactly that. If the state and federal government are too muddle-headed to come up with a workable plan, that can only mean one thing; that when the excrement hits the rotational ventilation device, a whole bunch of people who are already rich will get even richer as gallons of fresh water skyrocket in price and things start to get nasty. Ask Naomi Klein. She’ll tell you what’s up. Republicans live for this shiz.
I mean, I’m hardly an expert on this, but what exactly are we talking about here? Someday in the reasonably near future could Atlanta, or Phoenix, which in winter 2005-06, went 143 days without a bit of rain, or Las Vegas become a Katrina minus the storm? Are we talking here about a new trail of tears? What exactly would happen to the poor of Atlanta? To Atlanta itself?
(…)
In the meantime, there may be no trail of tears out of Atlanta; there may even be rain in the city’s near future for all any of us know; but it’s clear enough that, globally and possibly nationally, tragedy awaits. It’s time to call in the first team to ask some questions.
Honestly, I don’t demand answers. Just a little investigation, some thought, and a glimpse or two over that precipice as the world turns … and bakes and burns.
“Oh, that TRex,” some of you may be thinking, “What an alarmist!”
Seriously, though, I live here and I don’t see anyone in government or public safety doing anything beyond urging us all to use less water, and given what happened in Katrina, that’s not exactly reassuring. So, all I can do, I guess, is stockpile 15-20 jugs of water under the bed to ensure my own household’s viability and cross my fingers.
Oh, that and pray for rain.



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Late Nite!
Suzanne!!!!!!
TRex!!!
Zed!
top ten!
Trex – dood, you gotta write that book. This is prime writing, my friend.
*tries to wipe smug look off face* zed girl let downstairs know. Good question TRex
TRex- great post!
I would like add an additional dimension to this. I was not even aware of this until today. I just happened to see a flyer on someone’s door pointing the link between water and electricity in GA.
So, I googled.
Electricity demand guzzling state’s water
snips from that article:
~~~As the historic drought worsens and the tri-state water battle escalates, Georgia policymakers are all but ignoring the region’s biggest water guzzler.
Electric utilities are the single largest users of the region’s freshwater. A family of four can use three times more water to power their home than they use to drink, bathe and water their lawn.
In Georgia, electric utilities use 68 percent of all surface water, the single largest user in the state, according to 2000 data from the U.S. Geological Survey, the latest year available…..
Neither of the region’s principal blueprints for water use — the state water plan and the North Georgia metro water plan — include strategies for managing water demand by the power industry…..
The average Georgia household burns 1,100 kilowatt hours of electricity a month. That translates to about 27,000 gallons of water.
By comparison, a family of four goes through about 9,000 gallons a month for household uses such as washing clothes, flushing toilets and showering.~~~~
nicely done ndfg
VG, that is sobering.
It’s teh gays. They are to blame. Just ask Falwell.
Valley Girl @ 8
Conserve electricity-save water.
JESUS TURNED WATER INTO WINE.
WHO NEEDS WATER?
Evening all. God doesn’t hate Georgia, TRex, she just hates all the Rethugs and fundies makin’ a mess in her name (and they can’t even get her gender right).
Cartographers of old had the answer to your question, TRex, when they asked “What lies beyond the edge of the map?”
Hic sunt leones.
[Here there are lions.]
Bit NOLA @ 11
Have the Ph*lpses and the W*stboro Baptist Church gotten on this yet?
LoudounLib @ 10
Yes! Especially as I live in GA.
VG, excellent addition to the post.
And, the planning for this has been f’ing awful.
In every which way.
Valley Girl @ 19
There’s been planning?
I was surprised the Salon article doesn’t mention the obvious answer: water privatization, leading to horrendous price increases. After all, the market does such a great job of allocating scarce resources for the benefit of all. At least all those who share in the Bush’s private bubble world.
Global warming may devastate the South’s agriculture, and it’s going to be their own fault
link
It is a bit of irony that the main supports of “Global Warming” is a myth and the #1 region of the planet that is loved by the Jeebus the most if going to ge hammered by climate change. It is going to be the #1 region on the planet for the bad effects of climate change.
Valley Girl @ 19
total morons in charge.
people whose emotional and psychological framework hasn’t advanced beyond grade 8.
that’s just a guess.
TRex
Has anyone in authority proposed a solution of any kind or are they just going to stand there and let it happen? I can’t understand this.
Hiya TRex! Hiya y’all!!!!!
Heckuva job, Sonny!
Twain @ 24
i think the lack of planning and conservation efforts is due to the mindset that any government action is bad. i prefer to avoid tragedies when possible but that would involve government getting involved.
Twain @ 24
It seems to be the only thing they know how to do.
I’m a little busy here, but bear with me, gang.
How is everyone tonight?
I’m thinking, as a So. Californian who has always been aware of water shortages, that Georgians don’t have that same conciousness about it – not the public, not the legislators… and no one is very well equipped to handle it… did they ever figure out how to shut down Mr. 400,000 gallons a month? (didn’t think so)
“Whiskey’s for drinkin’, water’s for fighting over” (Mark Twain)
Valley Girl @ 17
This has got to be a real problem for people there to get a handle on. The southeast has always been so water rich that it was never a problem. Ever increasing use for more and more purposes, however, has apparently hit the tipping point where even one of the wettest areas of the country is vulnerable. As a country (and a world ultimately) we are going to have to confront this issue really soon. Georgia’s problem right now is a temporary result of the periodic droughts which have always plagued the region, but long term climatic changes indicate this is going to become ever more common. Current predictions are for a 25% reduction in agricultural output in the region.
the fruits of patriarchy are dead.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 23
I’d say that their mental acuity had not advanced. But, I suppose there are also emotional and psychological issues, which mostly involve denial. And, that praying on the capitol steps for rain (Thanks, Sonny) will be a huge help.
the Lord will provide, and if he doesn’t, well then it must be some type of Jobian test, isn’t it? … or it’s just take the money (or in this case, the water) and run. I can’t figure out which one is the rethug doctrine of the week, but it’s one or the other.
Maybe the rain dance didn’t work because of the Georgia preacher doing his sister in law and knocking her up?
link
Suzanne @ 27
Yep. Leading to en exponentially larger government action down the road.
In some areas that are prone to hurricanes, there are laws against price-gouging during a disaster. That is, no jacking up the price of plywood to board up your windows when the hurricane is bearing down on your town.
Georgia has such a law — and I hope the person in charge of the Governor’s Office of Consumer Affairs is not a mere political hack. I have a feeling he will be rather busy . . .
Happy birthday newtonusr! I already saw your cake. Yummm!
Hail, Muse TRex!
Why do I suddenly feel thirsty?
Hmmm.
Where do you get water when there isn’t any? Especially in vast amounts. How you supply a city the size of Atlanta with water?
Hi Cassie. Thanks…
Care to drop a hint?
so what happens when there’s no water?
worst case scenario?
divert a river?
let atlanta become a ghost town?
there MUST be some sort of plan.
Dr. Dick, I would agree with everything you said above, except for the statement that “Georgia’s problem right now is a temporary result…”
I suppose it depends upon what you mean by “temporary”.
newtonusr @ 35
or another american city dying – with this gang, i guess it depends on if atlanta is considered to be rethug or dem as to whether any action will be taken at all
NEWT! Hippo birdy two ewes my friend.
when fplks who believe government is bad are put in charge of government, you get bad government.
your bad government at work.
hey, newt! happy birthday!
So what is it about electric energy production that “consumes” so much water anyway? Run a dam full of water through a turbine and it’s still water, after all.
Hi Suzanne! I considered our adventure in the woods my BDay party. Nice affair, that!
Thank you!
newtonusr @ 40
Here is the whole cake!
newtonusr @ 48
if only we had known at the time newton. still, pretty good party even with no singing of the happy birthday song
Suzanne @ 44
Ditto. And, you are spending your b’day at FDL, newt?!!! What a man.
Evening OldCoastie!
Thank you. And from all of us to you and your SoCal buddies keeping them pissed down there, Thanks again!
I don’t get this lack of planning business. They instate water use restrictions in NYC when the reservoirs get below a certain point, and it’s much sooner than only 80 days left. This isn’t rocket science. Why don’t they just do it? Are the Rs really that f*ckin stoopid?
Many, many years ago I saw someone on tv talking about global warming. I’m not even sure he called it that. No one was alarmed at that point. This was awhile ago. This scientist was mainly concerned with agriculture. He said with planning, we could avoid some upheaval. He said, for example, oranges will be grown further north. Well, you get the picture. His point was we needed to have a plan. Step one, of course, would be acknowledging that there is a problem. There’s been no acknowledgement from BushCo and of course…no plan.
But, you know what, where’s congress and our pres hopefuls on Georgia? They all talk about warming, well someone better get the best and the brightest to figure out a way to help, cuz (I’m sorry, TRex) Georgia’s not looking too good.
SnarKassandra @ 49
Beautiful!
Happy birthday newton!
SnarKassandra @ 49
Super Customized!
Thanks TexasGals!
eCAHNomics @ 53
i don’t see how they can blame the dems for this either – but you know they are gonna use that instead of accepting responsibility for them not doing their frickin job.
newtonusr @ 52
;-)
solai @ 54
I’m pretty sure I remember David Suzuki 15 years ago saying we had 15 years to turn this thing around if we began radical action immediately.
Thank you LL!
Have a piece of this awesome cake…
eCAHNomics @ 53
i wouldn’t be surprised if the jackasses stumbled all over themselves explaining that it’s not right to step in.
the (anything but free) market will take care of all needs.
Suzanne @ 57
When southerners get angry at the gov’t they tend to get VERY angry. They will blame the gov’t for this and Georgia may just turn a little more blue.
I don’t pretend to know much about renewable energy, but why aren’t we doing more with wind turbines here in the US? When we were driving through Scotland last month we saw wind turbines all over the place up in the hills.
Twain @ 62
a very dry blue
newtonusr @ 60
Perfect for the Late Nite munchies. Thanks! ;-)
LoudounLib @ 63
And more solar also.
Valley Girl @ 42
I think that rain will come at and the present situation will eventually abate, though not necessarily before it inflicts catastrophic damage on Atlanta and other parts of Georgia. The area has always had a fairly high drought incidence (can’t remember the number off the top of my head) and has suffered some really bad, sustained droughts over the past 2 centuries. I do think, however, that they are getting worse and will get worse still, but they are not at the point of no return yet. At present the critical issue is the over use of the available water such that even a high end “normal” drought brings the danger of impending disaster.
LoudounLib @ 63
communists and islamodoobierollers like wind turbines. ‘nothin to see here, move along.’
Happy Birthday again, newtonusr.
hoping (and praying) the rains come is not a good business plan for the state of georgia
Suzanne @ 70
Yep. Action speaks louder than words.
Happy birthday, newtonusr
;>)
What happens is likely that various non-essential water customers are ordered to shut their taps.
That means industrial users of water like Coca-Cola, Pepsi, and Gatorade may be asked to shut down local production facilities.
But asking Coke to stop making soda in Atlanta is likely seen as political suicide in Georgia. Of course, letting the water supply for the state’s largest city evaporate isn’t going to help anyone’s political chances, either.
LoudounLib @ 71
i wudda thought they would have figured out the opposite too – that lack of action sends a very loud message – as katrina demonstrated.
islamodoobierollers
SnarKassandra @ 49
Too perfect!
Happy B’day Newton. Many more to come I am sure.
Dem politics has conseeequenez….heh….heh….those words right from the disgusting pie-hole of Mr. Decider!
Les see now….
Governor a Repuke….check!
State Legislature, majority Repuke…check!
Both U.S. Senators Repukes…check!
Voted fer da Decider las time….check!
I don’t see the problem. If’n they all run out of water why I’m sure their elected representatives have a well-conceived, carefully constructed plan for this emergency.
If not….
I guess yer outa luck there folks. Better get in yer cars and head for D.C. right now afore all the good camping spots on the mall are taken.
Yep, politics has yer conseeeeeeeeeeeequences.
Note: some snark used in the construction of this derogatory comment…but it still speaks to an important point. One the great satirist Molly Ivins used to good effect. Be very careful who you elect. It might matter.
It might matter a lot.
Missed you @ Suz’s party, Loo Hoo. You would have loved it, and become a video star to boot…
Thanks so much!
Hmmm. @ 47
According to the article, it seems to be cooling. Some water is lost through evaporation and some because it has to be released from reservoirs to ensure adequate cooling, and it doesn’t go back into the reservoir.
Additional stupidity:
A man after W’s heart — turn a problem to your political advantage, and when that predictably doesn’t solve it, “no one could have foreseen,” right?
As the Great Orange One reminded us, this is what happens when you put people who hate government in charge of it.
LoudounLib @ 71
And the poor will suffer the most because they won’t be able to afford the bottled water or any thing else that will ease the problem.
GA, and especially Atlanta has a hugely complex history. A while back, when GA was an obviously racist state, local leaders made the argument that “being racist” was not good for business. So, the rhetoric was toned down, big time. Thus, Atlanta, for the sake of business, became a leader in “the New South”. Huge increase in bidness moving here. One of the fastest growing cities (and surrounds) ever. But, no thought as to what this might mean in terms of suburban development. Sprawling suburban developments, w/o any need to guarantee a source of water. Because, no one ever thought that water might be a problem. And, I’m sure “global warming” was not a familiar concept.
TeddySanFran @ 75
I like it too.
thanks, DB!
Thanks, Doc!
TeddySanFran @ 75
isnt that the california flock
eCAHNomics @ 53
How’s Grover Norquist going to drown government in a bathtub, if there’s no water left to fill it?
Hiya Cassie!
Happy B’day Newtonusr!
climate change is gonna be upon us faster than we think, imho. It baffles me why people who claim to be “godfearin” think that God is gonna give them a free pass for trashing, polluting, and being wasteful. Greed and gluttony are supposed to be sins, last i heard.
The Shock Doctrine of New orleans was easily apparent.. Run off the poor black Democrats who couldn’t swim for a week at a time.
GA has to be bit of a FEMA/DHS pickle for these folks since it happens to already be a Red State. I guess this time it will be…cut off the water to poor people and predominantly Democratic districts first.
I hope Patrick Rex has a good well.
Peterr @ 86
one is just as dead from a lack of water death as one is from drowning. the death is the point – not the method – grover and his croonies will take it any way as long as it is dead
Newton, happy birthday
I got forks for everyone.
How will the CDC save us from bird flu and AIDS and monkeypox if there’s no water in Atlanta?
Is everyone just gonna emulate Miss Scarlett O’Hara and think about it “tomorrow…. because tomorrow is another day?”
Hmmm. @ 47
It’s not just dams, but other kinds of power-generation that use water. Click on the link VG provided, then click on the handy chart to enlarge it, and all will be revealed.
hbty, newtonusr.
animal pix!
good night
Peterr @ 86
Hum a few bars, I’ll fake it
;>)
g’nite cassie
SnarKassandra @ 94
oops! this! is the animal pix
TeddySanFran @ 75
i’ll be sure not to wear a burqa when rollerlading, wouldn’t want people to get the wrong idea yanno
sleep well Cassie, have a great day tomorrow
So will Atlanta consider some city planning now, rather than endless sprawl?
Nah, once they get past this, they’ll just keep building further out into the sticks.
Evening ndfg. Thanks!
Eureka Springs @ 88
Nope, water shut off can’t be that selective. What do you imagine? You think there is a computer map of the neighborhoods? No.
Got to go — g’nite, all!
g’nite peterr
Hi Mommybrain!
Now that OC has saved the Republic and fixed your WiFi, expect to see you here…
Thanks!
… in a nation in trouble on a planet in trouble, water trouble. But the only reason that anyone would be opposed to unrestricted immigration is racism. Right?
Night Cassie and Peterr.
g’night cassie & peterr. Thanks for cute pix, cassie
Yep. Who could have guessed…
wigwam @ 106
i don’t think the rethugs are aware that getting rid of people who’s skin is darker than tan is not going to resolve the water problems.
I’m worried about Phoenix and Las Vegas too.
TRex, do you have bleach to put in your drinking water?
Here’s hoping.
Evening Teddy!
Thanks much!
SnarKassandra @ 97
I was wondering! *g*
‘Night, Cassie!
on the positive side, there won’t be any waterboarding in GA.
solai – I think they need a day that says, “torrential rains”…
Ouch, no water? Boy, that’s a dilly of a pickle.
punaise @ 115
it will just be outsourced along with everything else
punaise @ 115
Investing in rendering co’s now.
OldCoastie @ 116
Or a week.
OldCoastie @ 116
nah, torrential rains would just run right off the dry ground — how about several days of a nice soaking rain.
Happy Birthday Newton!
hey persi – i ran out of time to make your recipe for the meet up – but there were yellow and orange peppers on the veggie tray.
punaise @ 115
OTOH, they still have them an ocean pretty nearby.
_________________________
Hi Persi! Thanks!
I’m off to bed. And to watch the re-airing of Olberman. ‘Night all.
a couple of days of soaking rain – a day or two to dry out – a couple days of soaking rain – a couple days to dry out. that is the cycle georgia (and so much of the country) needs right now.
water y’all lookin’ at so funny-like?
SnarKassandra @ 49
Yum!
Night solai. Sleep well.
Peterr’s Paradox!
persiflage @ 122
he never let on at the FDL meet-up, sly devil….
Well, I will obviously never catch up with all these comments.
And it’s grocery night.
I’ll be back for Late Late Nite.
Anybody need anything from the store?
TRex @ 132
whirled peas
a winning lotto ticket
don’t forget to pick up a rainmaker for yourself
And how come no one has “Dugg” this post yet?
Jeez.
Thanks. But… so… are we to understand there’s some reason why they couldn’t build a second reservoir…?
TRex @ 134
because the dayam dugg registration page wants me to enter text in an image where there is no image containing text to read, trex
Quick! Call a press conference and announce a huge prayer service to ask the Flying Spaghetti Monster to send Atlanta rain! If prayers to the FSM succeed while those to the god of the Abrahamists do not…
solai @ 112
Suzanne @ 126
Well, no, at least as to GA. The ground is so dry that a “soaking rain” would just run off, as LL mentions above.
Ooh, California is suing ES&S for $15 Million…
California Secretary of State Debra Bowen on Monday sued a Nebraska voting machine company, seeking fines and reimbursements of nearly $15 million from the firm for allegedly selling nearly 1,000 uncertified machines to San Francisco and four other counties.
San Francisco’s 558 AutoMARK ballot-marking devices were among 972 of the machines that Election Systems & Software sold in California last year without putting them through the state testing process.
The uncertified voting machines also were sold to Solano, Marin, Merced and Colusa counties. Bowen learned of the possible violation last July and ordered an investigation.
“ES&S ignored the law over and over and over again and it got caught,” Bowen said in a statement after filing suit against the company. “I am not going to stand on the sidelines and watch a voting system vendor come into the state, ignore the laws and make millions of dollars from California’s taxpayers in the process.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..&tsp=1
Suzanne @ 123
Not a problem Suzanne. I did get your email but haven’t had a chance to reply. Mr Persi flew out for a fortnight this morning, now I have time to catch up a bit. I’m always running out of time to do thing I meant to do. I think they’ll put that on my tombstone … “She just ran out of time …again”
We’ve known about the looming water shortage for awhile now.
Fifteen years ago my father-in-law subscribed to a newsletter – Bottom Line Personal, I think it was called. He kept them all in a binder, in what he euphemistically called the reading room. They advocated investing in water companies, not only in the third world, but in the US, too, as well as telcoms and other infrastructure. Their bottom line – water shortages will be very profitable in the future and so will be the crumbling infrastructure.
Tell me again, why are we so cynical? I’m shocked.
Have you invested?
TRex @ 134
I done digged it.
CTuttle @ 139
Ooooooo. This could get fun. May need to buy popcorn.
punaise @ 127
that would be 3-D
Good evening dear friends. Hope all are well.
The City and County of San Francisco was already seeking restitution from the machine company – it was announced right after the election troubles – i don’t have the link handy at the moment but it was in sfgate also.
newtonusr @ 105
We know the coolest people, don’t we?
1. “excrement hits the rotational ventilation device”
No its “excrement hits the rotaty impeller”
2. Fill your pool. Keep it filled.
Mommybrain @ 141
The woman who manages some of my savings has been looking into this for about a year now. It’s not that easy to find pure plays, or at least se hasn’t found anything she likes for one reason or another.
Mommybrain @ 147
Truly fortunate, we are…
It is obvious what the plan is.
First, ignore all warning signs, as they are doing now.
Second, wait for the water to run out.
Third, outsource all the relief and rescue efforts: Pay Blackwater to come in and secure the area to prevent any mass riots or even migration out of the affected area, to ’stabilise’ things. Pay private companies obscene amounts of money to truck water in, and charge people accordingly.
Fourth, declare the disaster zone a free enterprise zone and sell everything off to various different companies at bargain rates…
Anyway, Trex. Two weeks is bupkus. Store more than that. Plus, I’d lay in a supply of something like this — which require no heat or other equipment and are easily stored — to make sure your water is safe.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 144
dalliance
discretion (oops, maybe not)
damnation (or fire and brimstone, take your pick)
Suzanne @ 146
They should go for punitive damages too…
CTuttle @ 139
I had that hours ago CT!
Here’s the more current stuff, but I am running a few hours behind..
so the mother of that 34 year old has been involved in the church all this time and had to hide the fact that pastor hornynuts is the dad.
wouldn’t that be sort of………stressful?
Don’t forget the shotgun to protect the water.
Irons @ 156
shotgun wading
CTuttle @ 139
And…we’re voting the old fashioned way, with pen and paper! I love Debra Bowen.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 155
Baptism by desire.
(EPU’d:)
So when these guys insinuate that in the long run they’ll be seen as among the greatest American leaders in the history of ever, d’ya think it’s that they have some grand secret plan to prolong the US Empire past its apparent stale-date? (Like maybe some way to force oil to stay on the dollar?) Or is it more like they have some secret plan to allow the US economy to ease into its post-Empire future (i.e. rather than crashing hard)? Half the time I get the sense that crashing the US economy has been the aim — or a necessary step in their plan — all along.
dalliance
discretion (oops, maybe not)
damnation (or fire and brimstone, take your pick)
:-)
CT, the best thing California did in 2006 was to elect Debra Bowen. She is one passionate person on the subject of blackboxvoting. We hope she doesn’t suffer the same fate as the last Secretary of State to question the voting machines
Baptism by desire.
paging dr. swaggert…:-)
*waves tiredly*
Been quiet because life tossed a few fastballs at me. Have to look for a new vehicle because the old one is all but toast. Then yesterday? a cold trigged a nasty little asthma attack. So i’m waving from the couch tonight, not long before i attempt to fight the prednisone and go to sleep.
The water thing? Egads, no wonder the locals here in michigan are going batty about the pollution of it. I’m surrounded by several small freshwater seas. The sad thing is, i doubt the lakes could take care of the entire nation no matter how large they are.
newtonusr @ 150
That sounds like Yoda
buy a water bed – a BIG water bed – syphon water out as needed!
(well, it’s a thought anyway)
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 163
“Take me to the river….”
(((alias)))
every day, more and more, I LIKE Debra Bowen (and I had more fun talking to her fraud investigator!)
OldCoastie @ 29
Of course, we’re the ones growing &^%$#$% rice in the &%$#%&& desert…
well.
good.
night.
folks.
bed.
in.
10.
seconds.
3.
2.
1.
out
aliasofwestgate @ 164
Actually, this is fixing to be a big issue there as well. I spent 12 years in Chicago and by the time I left nine years ago Lake Michigan was already dropping to record low levels. Similar problems in the whole Great Lakes system. Combine long term over use within the region and increasing demands from outside and you have a real political firestorm brewing.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 171
Wig, out
Hmmm. @ 160
Feudalism, populated by illiterate and innumerate serfs, is their goal. No one can read the bad history about how we got here if no one can read….
And the folks atop the pile will be the folks atop the pile; it will have turned out swimmingly for Baby Cheney et al.
Night Mabel.
peanutbutter @ 170
And a bit of cotton.
OldCoastie @ 169
Spill.
punaise @ 131
shy devil :-)
Here’s an interesting article…
Christians seek right to sue BBC for blasphemy
Clare Dyer, legal editor
Tuesday November 20, 2007
The Guardian
A Christian group trying to prosecute the producer and broadcaster of Jerry Springer – The Opera under blasphemy laws will take its case to the high court in London today.
Christian Voice wants to bring a case against Mark Thompson, the director general of the BBC, and Jonathan Thoday, producer of the award-winning musical, for blasphemous libel, but was refused permission by City of Westminster magistrates court. The group is hoping to launch what would be only the third prosecution in more than 80 years for an offence which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/reli…..90,00.html
well, of COURSE we are growing rice in the desert! just because its stupid doesn’t mean we won’t do it!
;0)
but, how many of us still run the faucet when we brush our teeth? I’ll give you that agriculture still has quite a ways to go, but at least there is some planning… and I’m guessing we’d shut down the rice paddies sometime BEFORE the the aquaduct ran dry…
and if the dollar gets any weaker, we’re gonna need that rice!
aliasofwestgate @ 164
{{{ alias}}}
back before the election, skippy had a bunch of good stuff about debra and why we ca’s should vote for her over at his place.
Hmmmm, I love your handle. I read each of your comments as beginning with Hmmmm. And they are usually remarks that would make me go Hmmm, anyway.
‘Of all the resources in nature, the most important for the welfare of mankind is water…’
‘Our minimum daily water requirements for bodily subsistence are very modest. At a pinch, we can get by with about with about one fifth of a gallon per day. The basic need of a primitive savage in an underdeveloped community, for his drinking, cooking and occasional washing might be set at about one gallon per day.’
‘At the other end of the scale, the average consumption of the somewhat less primitive savage in a large modern city may amount to 400 gallons per day – excluding the water consumed in growing his food. The innocent, fair-minded person may well ask where the other 399 gallons go; and whether the cost of collecting, distributing and, after it is used, disposing of this additional water is really justified by the increased drinking, cooking and washing facilities it provides.’
Whatever arguments might be adduced to disillusion this fellow, let the modern savage, and the administrators and engineers who serve him, be frank. Much of the 399 gallons is wasted through carelessness and inefficient usage. Where there is some incentive provided to conserve water, consumption rates are considerably less than 400 gallons per head per head per day – perhaps 50 to 150…’
‘…it must be recognized that the water consumption figure per head of population of a city covers more than the average individual’s personal usage. It includes his share of the quantities used by industry, public institutions such as hospitals, any primary production using the city supply, and the water used on parks and sports fields, as well as his own household gardens. It also includes water supplied but unaccounted for – unmetered wastage and losses through leakage into the ground.’
The preceding from: ‘Water in the service of man.’ Written by H. R. Vallentine in 1967, one of my favorite earlier books on resource use and the environment. Doubtless his figures are outdated and likely much lower than today’s. When we speak to our concerns regarding the condition of our national infrastructure, water ‘works’, besides being of critical import, are often among the most neglected, as well as least understood.
Reality will increasingly impinge upon our nonchalance, forcing those of conscience to question fundamental notions about what ’security’ really means. To the degree that developing tragedies may be ‘gamed’ for profit, to precisely that degree will we be insecure, unprepared and exploited. We are yet at the early stages of recognizing our plight.
Just as we have witnessed the fundamental failure of our political ’system’, its ’safeguards’ having failed us over some decades, so too shall we witness the systemic failure of our society to understand the nature of our relationship to our environment and the subtle linkages within it, all of which sustain our precarious tenure in this paradise which we call ‘earth’. We are all about to learn just how much we really do not ‘know’ or understand. Our need to understand the complexity and fragility of the environmental nuances which permit our very existence must take precedence over warfare, economic ‘gaming’ and notions of cultural superiority.
Yeah. It’s not quite the ‘oh meh’ lookover that GA’s getting, since the lowering levels are all over the papers. They’re too busy bickering over the auto industry at the moment to get right down to it. Meanwhile, the Governor is looking around for alternate energy sources on her own–and successfully bringing them into the state. The problem is that it’s too little, to late. She’s fighting tooth and nail for it too, with a mostly Rethug senate that is notoriously insane in its own ways.
newtonusr @ 178
Um hum.
OT, but ever since the Boulder Creek FirePup meetup, this song has been running through my brain.
California – Joni Mitchell
CT, Here is a new candidate quiz.
Suzanne @ 182
I think that (and my BIL, who keeps up with this stuff, too) is what nudged me to vote for her. I <3 Bowen, too.
Loo Hoo. @ 186
LOL!
Population growth is good for God and good for man. We live in a cornucopia. God and technology will always provide. There are no limits. And those who say there are have an evil agenda. Malthusians!
OldCoastie @ 180
Yes, but there are places in South Carolina and Louisiana where it actually makes sense to grow it, unlike the California desert. Also like growing corn (a notorious water hog) in western Nebraska and Kansas. the bastards are on track to drain the Oglala Aquifer, one of the largest in the world.
peanutbutter @ 189
pb, skippy’s passionate support got me to look at her closer and i remember liking what i saw.
it always bloggles my mind when people reference running water while brushing their teeth. I’ve heard of people having to run water while they urinate because of “bashful bladder” but running water while brushing teeth? Why? Are they trying to piddle at the same time? Eeewww. This nation is too obsessed with multitasking.
Loo Hoo. @ 177
he got the giggles when I described the clipboard tug o’ war…
he was quite encouraging to keep telling people the truth… heard the CA Dem Party prez on the radio this afternoon… I would not describe him as hopeful that any prosecutions would result from any of the fuckery… so I’m thinking the only way to stop them is to make such a fuss that no one will sign… working on a little quarter sheet that can be handed to people explaining the problem directly and simply. (that kid pissed me off Saturday when he concluded I was interferring in his 1st amendment rights… apparently, the 1st amendment is not valid if you disagree with someone – at least that was his attitude)… So, ya’ know – I can be a little oppositional… and I’m thinking that black Friday is going to be a prime shopping center signature gathering time (especially since the 29th is the last day to submit). ‘Twould be a good time to do a little voter education in exactly the same vicinity as one of these bums.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 194
not so much multi-tasking but not seeing that their old behaviors are part of the problem. just like running water while handwashing the dishes to rinse with. folks do it without thinking.
Wow! Now, will Shrub veto this…
Bills Would Let Judges Remake Mortgages
Bankruptcy Legislation Aims To Prevent Foreclosures
By Dina ElBoghdady
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 20, 2007; Page D01
Congress is considering legislation that would allow bankruptcy court judges to rewrite loan terms for people at risk of losing their homes, a change that supporters say could save half a million borrowers from foreclosure through early 2009.
Under this plan, judges could lower the interest rate of a mortgage on a primary home, extend the life of the loan or forgive part of the debt — as they currently can for vacation homes, farms and investment properties. Doing so could reduce by a quarter the 2 million foreclosures expected in the next 18 months, according to Moody’s Economy.com.
Reps. Linda T. Sanchez and Brad Miller introduced the House bill on loan modification by bankruptcy judges.
Of all the legislative proposals aimed at helping at-risk borrowers, this one is thought by consumer advocates to offer the most wide-reaching and immediate relief. The House has held two hearings on a bill introduced by Democratic members, Brad Miller of North Carolina and Linda T. Sanchez of California. Similar legislation has been offered in the Senate.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews
As a survivor of many California droughts the States of Georgia and both Carolinas should already be instituting mandatory water conservation measures, particularly for businesses.
~No swimming pool refilling by hotels, residences, etc. Water from the pools should be re-used for cleaning or other roles.
~Companies should be compelled to develop a plan to recycle water. Industrial use may have to be deferred or mandatory use of waste water compelled. Agricultural uses that are “clean” (devoid of fungicides, herbicides, etc) vs. dirty; and those that are likely to contribute to an aquifer should be preferred over those that have little likelihood of secondary or tertiary usage (i.e those that run directly into a river). Crops that demand high water use (Cotton) and for “vice” items should have lower priority than those for food staples. Exceptions can be made if the crops are in areas where water recycling is high (used for other crops, consumption).
~No watering of golf courses and landscaping. Their water hazards should be drained and used for agricultural purposes. Tough titties to Augusta. If people can play golf in Mongolia, then they can play on dry or withered greens. They should consider it a challenge to their professional capabilities…and donate their earnings to drought relief and assistance!
~Businesses should be compelled to reduce or cease the use of contaminents in agricultural or industrial processing. Individuals should be discouraged from using products that reduce water quality as that may impair recycling.
~It was noted above that electrical production uses water. This is an issue of management. Water releases for hydro-power need to be tied in with recapture of the water downstream for other uses.
~ Flow control shower heads, and flush restrictions need to be instituted. People should be encouraged to defer flushing for urination, and a brick of similar water trap placed in the tanks.
~ Sadly, people should be discouraged from showering more than once a day, OR less. People should defer washing clothes after one or two wears (or even more), placing items to “air out” on a line instead.
~The States need to start considering having water tankers available, large amounts of large water bottles, and dispenser available for distribution. And crews or local volunteers available to carry large filled bottles up highrises and to the elderly.
~ Water purifiers, such as the pump water purifiers manufactured by Pur or Ketadyne, should be distributed (or purchased) and the process of cleaning secondary waste water initiated. There is nothing wrong with using the water used to boil potatoes or spaghetti over again for consumption. Most of the household water that goes down the drain can be filtered and reused.
~Water recycling should begin early, as waste water now is likely to be more palatable now than if it is obtained at peak drought season.
~ Dip showers are more efficient than flow showers, as they encourage individuals to rinse, lather up, and wash-off.
Growing up in so Cal, with ecological minded parents, I’ve always turned off the tap when brushing teeth (and I figured out a quick way to rinse without filling up a cup, as well). Navy showers. I use drip irrigation where possible. (I’m currently digging out &^%^ sprinkler lines to find and eliminate some leaks.) I’m working on eliminating my grass yard. (Can’t be perfect.) i get the low water/low energy rated appliances and so it goes. But there’s so much more needs doing, and not only do people need to do these things, but corporations as well. ValleyGirl’s report on the usage of water in GA to supply electricity is but one brazen example of the “hidden” usages of water…
Several of the cities around here use recycled water for public irrigation. You can spot these by the purple pvc piping used.
I wonder if we’ll get to the point of making desalination plants. No one likes the taste, but what if that water were pumped back into the aquifers for a little “mother nature” filtering…?
Mommybrain, you just made my whole day. Thank you most kindly. As for me, I am but a humble miserable dog of an ink-stained Siddhartha wretch… I live but to serve…
I’m working on a project for a new home that will feature rainwater catchment and possibly grey-water re-use. and no sod lawn, of course.
but, how many of us still run the faucet when we brush our teeth?
Daddybrain and I have always been super-conscious about water conservation, being river rats and members of river conservation groups, involved in hydro dam re-licensing issues (db, not me). We turn off the tap, have buckets in the shower, empty the old dogwater onto the flowers, etc. It’s just habit now. I know I know, conservation is a (is there an html tag for sneering?) personal virtue and not an energy policy, but don’t tell that to my city please. They might put oil rigs in our canyon or build a dam on an earthquake fault.
Peterr @ 73
Let them drink Coke! ~ Marie Antionette
down here in RSM, all the landscaping has been on recycled for the last 20 years… takes PLANNING.
(and yes, I DO turn off the water while brushing, but it was something I had to learn to do – we didn’t grow up with that thought)
punaise @ 201
Pft. I’ve been working it out in my head and I don’t have enough uphill for the necessary downhill my gray water would need. Grrr…
When I was a kid in the 60’s, I remember my dad talking about “Navy showers” and trying to get us kids to conserve water in that manner — but at the time I think he was more concerned with the water bill than with conservation itself. Times change…
pun, i’ve thought that my location was ideal for greywater and rainwater collection but those systems cost money, something i don’t have in my collection.
peanutbutter @ 205
tricky, isn’t it? solar powered pump? (is there such a thing?)
Eureka Springs @ 188
Dennis 93%
Gravel 88%
Edwards 75%
Suzanne @ 196
Keep a largish pot handy. Fill that with water & soap and use as smaller sized sink to wash the dishes. This is also more sanitary, avoids contact with all the e. coli around the garbage disposal/sink drain (which typically have more ecoli than a flushed toilet does!).
(Yeah, the purple pipes I remember them putting in in the 80’s.)
Suzanne @ 207
if you could harness some of the raging creek during winter storms…
county health depts. get hinky about grey water, but the tide may be turning, so to speak
OldCoastie @ 208
Actually there are, though I have no idea how much they cost or where you would get one.
LoudounLib @ 206
Which uses more water? A bath in a normal size tub or a 6 minute shower?
TRex @ 134
What does a ‘dig’ do? Why would I want to dig it?
Eureka Springs @ 188
Dagnabbit, Dennis Kucinich again…! *sigh*
TeddySanFran @ 209
1 Dennis Kucinich 99% similarity
* 2 Mike Gravel 95% similarity
* 3 John Edwards 81% similarity
TeddySanFran @ 209
You and I are soul brothers Teddy. Took that a while back and those are pretty close to my numbers.
TexBetsy @ 213
I’d say a bath, but I’m not sure.
Kuchinich
Gravel
Richardson
If The Sweetie and I ever actually do get it together to move to a halfway wet part of Hawaii, we think water cachement could make really good sense.
maybe after 212 days they can drink their own p*ss. since they prayed so much about it, I think God would want them to have it… think of it as devine inspiration.
DrDick @ 212
And then I’m using electricity. Trying for passive systems here. Ideally, I’d be able to fill up a 55 gal drum, run a hose from a faucet at the bottom of it and use it that way. I could even run a drip irrigation with a timer off that bottom faucet. But the logistics of filling that drum, and of the water dispersal are not the best. Hmmm.
Oh sorry, missed the “solar” part of solar pump. Hmmm…
Malthusians!
Wonder if it was a Malthusian UFO Kucinich saw. :~)
No one talks about that much anymore, do they? We were warning, way back in college, that the people who cared about the earth, about the environment and about each other would be the ones not to have kids and have no one to pass this ethos to; and the ones who could give a good goddam about any of the above would have 6-10 kids each.
TeddySanFran @ 209
Hmmm… 86% DK, 86% Gravel, and 75% Obama! How did Obama sneak in there? 8~)
but you know, thank God we don’t have Gay Marriage there
wingnuts will be all over this one tomorrow:
Most U.S. Family Physicians Are Foreign
from ABC News: Top Stories
Increasingly, doctors from overseas fill the primary care slots in the U.S.
TexBetsy @ 227
Doctors Within Borders
Well, I had best head to bed. One more day of student abuse and then a nice long weekend. Yay! Take care, enjoy the snark, and shower with a friend (saves water).;~)
I wasn’t trying to be snotty earlier – my point was that it takes a good amount time to gain the awareness that conserving water is the “normal thing to do”… and that takes leaders who are wiling to mandate the changes that result in conservation – lotta people go kicking and screaming to that… they have to change very basic habits.
Georgia is starting far too late.
My poll results —
Kucinich
Gravel
Dodd
oc, i did not think you were being snotty earlier.
DrDick @ 228
You conservation-minded person, you ;-)
G’night DrD
Suzanne @ 232
Nor did I.
Suzanne @ 230
I R tired and still a little sick… me brain-o is not workin’ so well.
Steve-AR @ 22
Prairies are not going to fare well either.
Eureka Springs @ 234
I’d even go so far as to file an, uhh, mucus brief
steve talbert @ 226
musta missed the “/snark” on this one…
punaise @ 235
hehe – you got that one right!
punaise that’s your worst yet.
groaning….
peanutbutter @ 210
Do you have half-flush toilets in the US?
Time for me to split as well…the car is going to the shop in the AM (routine maintenance) and the kitteh is going to the vet (also routine). G’night all :-)
punaise @ 237
lol
TexBetsy @ 240
we aim to please…
Dennis 95%
Gravel 85%
Richardson 85% (huh!)
TexBetsy @ 240
My fiance asked me to open up punaise’s brain at the Bear Creek FirePup MeetUp to see how it worked in there. I still can’t say how it works, but Mrs Punaise said she was happy he had a wider audience *g*
persiflage @ 242
Never seen that before
For some giggles, I took the test voting the opposite of my views, and Mitt’s my guy… ;-)
punaise @ 237
That is too good…
Slay me now.
Loo Hoo. @ 219
took the quiz & ended up with same combo as you
TexBetsy @ 227
They could sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
OldCoastie @ 235
u maybe tired bec. of all the adrenaline you devoted to exposing the CA ballot petition frauds. For me, big adrenaline moments always leave me exhausted after.
Goodbye Pillowlipped Rachel, Goodbye Francis, writ large.
We will miss you.
On topic:
In Drought, Upscale Homeowners Dig for Water
punaise @ 237
Don’t get snotty with us, dude.
I’ve seen flush toilets at homeshows with two handles. One’s labeled 1 and the other’s labeled 2. Predictably.
Mommybrain @ 255
lies! it’s all a tissue of lies!
TexBetsy @ 248
I think they have ‘em, but they are so expensive, they generally are not considered… like a thousand bucks vs a hundred…
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 194
In Singapore, where they have to import water, they use “recycled water” and have water regulators on the taps on the sinks. You have to press down on them every second or so to get a constant flow. Just enough for a mouthful, or cupped handful comes out.
BTW Singapore is a very “socialist” state…but very good for business, too.
U.N. slashes AIDS estimates in latest report (Reuters)
from Yahoo! News
A volunteer from the AIDS control society takes part in a campaign for AIDS awareness program in the northern Indian city of Chandigarh October 28, 2007. The United Nations has slashed its estimates of how many people are infected with the AIDS virus, from nearly 40 million to 33 million. (Ajay Verma/Reuters)Reuters – The United Nations has slashed its estimates of how many people are infected with the AIDS virus, from nearly 40 million to 33 million.
TeddySanFran @ 256
Remember the old jingle from the last CA drought?
This was before low-flush toilets, they were encouraging people not to flush on every visit:
“If it’s yellow, it’s mellow; if it’s brown, flush it down.”
TexBetsy @ 227
People can’t afford to go to college for that many years. Here, anyway. So if someone wanted to get their MD in another country, they would need to be completely biliterate.
all right, I’m going to be a good girl tonight and go to bed.
See y’ all tomorrow…
Mommybrain @ 259
That was a watershed moment.
Eureka Springs @ 234
nor i, my post about water-running/teeth-brushing was a general comment because i’ve seen/heard it mentioned lots of other places and having been raised to turn the water off, of course i can’t understand some one being raised differently *g*
Hmmm. @ 252
Mom’s primary care physician is from Baghdad, via Tehran and Amman. Her wingnut friends have pressed her, since 911, on how she can continue seeing him. She loves him.
His practice has not dropped off, but has become more, um, homogeneous.
punaise @ 127
I’m shocked, just SHOCKED by this … a repug sex scandal involving a heterosexual affair with a grown woman and not a teenage boy??? What’s the world coming to?
Suzanne @ 232
Heck no, neither did I.
9-11 group blasts GOP hopeful Giuliani
from mcclatchydc.com: Homepage
HANOVER, N.H. — With the New Hampshire presidential primary now seven weeks away, a New York group whose members lost relatives in the World Trade Center attacks in 2001 tried to dent Republican candidate Rudy Giuliani’s image as “America’s Mayor” Monday night, saying he failed to prepare the city to deal with a major disaster in the years before the attack.
waiving g’nite to all the leaving sleepy (and sneezy) pups
TexBetsy @ 248
It’s mandatory here in new houses. I checked and compared our water usage in our old house (tiny courtyard, few plants, no half-flush) with usage in our current house (bigger courtyard, lots of plants in pots, half-flush toilet) and we actually use less water here.
new trex
Debra Bowen’s Facebook page
ndfg – when I learned to brush my teeth as a tiny tot, we used Pepsodent Tooth Powder… seems like you had to keep it pretty wet, hence the running water…
punaise @ 256
If Ben Bernanke’s the one spreading those vicious lies, maybe you could SuDaFed?
This is good news… Not great news, tho…
U.N. to Cut Estimate Of AIDS Epidemic
Population With Virus Overstated by Millions
By Craig Timberg
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, November 20, 2007; Page A01
JOHANNESBURG, Nov. 19 — The United Nations’ top AIDS scientists plan to acknowledge this week that they have long overestimated both the size and the course of the epidemic, which they now believe has been slowing for nearly a decade, according to U.N. documents prepared for the announcement.
AIDS remains a devastating public health crisis in the most heavily affected areas of sub-Saharan Africa. But the far-reaching revisions amount to at least a partial acknowledgment of criticisms long leveled by outside researchers who disputed the U.N. portrayal of an ever-expanding global epidemic.
The latest estimates, due to be released publicly Tuesday, put the number of annual new HIV infections at 2.5 million, a cut of more than 40 percent from last year’s estimate, documents show. The worldwide total of people infected with HIV — estimated a year ago at nearly 40 million and rising — now will be reported as 33 million.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews
marymccurnin @ 273
ooo, I like that.
bonkers @ 276
LOL… too bad the courts are so congested
anyway, I’m anti-”he’s-too-mean”
punaise @ 278
Whoa. Now that’s a one-two punch, and I’m down for the count. “Down goes Frazier!” says Howard No-smell.
punaise @ 278
***
pun: Wow! A classic trifecta at the very edge of EPU-ville. Is there no just-us?
tee hee…..
excellent!
TexBetsy @ 240
I hope not. ;~)
newspaperbrat @ 283
you ain’t seen nothin’ yet…
punaise @ 257
You say that every time you’re accused of hanky pank.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 251
Moi Aussi! With Obama, Edwards and Clinton lingering a few points below. Oddly Paul was right in between the Democrats and the other Republicans.
So in a triangulation sort of way…I guess that makes Ron Paul the only moderate running for election! ;-)
Mommybrain @ 285
as foretold by Nostril Damn Us
SnarKassandra @ 66
’cause we’re ruled by (failed) Texas oilmen.
This is a great opportunity for the Super Bowl of Bullshit. You get 1000 satantic nuts on one side praying to Lucifer “no rain this week, no rain this week, no rain this week”, on the other side a bunch of christian nuts paraying “rain now, rain now, rain now dear Lord”. Imagine the cheerleaders, commercials, and commentary? I would be on the edge of my seat, hoping for thunder but no rain.
eCAHNomics @ 53
Yes.
Thanks for another round of short answers to….
Gee, do I have to do all the thinking around here?
Aren’t there any Native American Indians in Georgia? A Rain Dance, I’m certain, would turn the tide and drench Georgia with rain.
Or maybe the good Christians in Georgia can get Pat Robertson to come down for a rain revival, paint his face (put on makeup) and belt out a few “It’s a Rainy Night in Georgia,” calling down the Lord’s blessings? I mean, Robertson claims he knows the reason behind “acts of God,” like hurricanes devastating Florida (Andrew) and the Gulf Coast (Katrina), so I’m certain Robertson, with his water pipeline to God, could dance or sing up some rain.
Hell, just having Robertson show up, stare up at the clouds, and open his mouth wide, spewing hot air up into the sky, might just scare any clouds up above into dropping moisture. It’d be worth a try.
Twain @ 39
Perhaps build desalinization plants on the Georgia coast with a pipeline to the Atlanta area? Initially it would be an expensive proposition for the taxpayers of Georgia. Compared to the economical and personal devastation this current drought is causing it would end up being a bargain.
Just a thought…
I took the glass booth test. But here’s the weird part. I went back and read through all of the poitions that they credited or discredited different folks with taking, and it didn’t seem accurate. It seemed that in a number of instances, the conflated a candidates position on an issue, or made some other conclusion about where they stood.
Like I said, it was weird. I’d go back and look at your results issue by issue if I were you.
chazaroo @ 289
I’d be prayin’ for lightning and a hurricane force wind.
Pursang @ 292
a) Two Carrier Task Groups off Iran; 2) Bring home; 3) Park off coast;4) Desalinate water; 5) Deliver to Atlanta; 6) Mideast crisis averted; 7) God speaks: “Twofer”.
I can’t help but remark that if everybody stockpiles 14 days worth of water that will leave 66 days worth of water in the reservoir.
You really can’t address the problem by transferring water from a big reservoir to several million little reservoirs.
Now, you could go out an buy several million sets of 14 gallon jugs of Poland spring. That would effectively add 14 days of water to the supply.
jayackroyd @ 296
Well it depends. If the stockpiling drew out water at a time that it would simply flow out to sea, then it would store water otherwise lost. But I suspect that it would be better to only stockpile water that one was gonna put down the drain, using it for watering plants…or purifying it for reuse.
genoasail @ 293
Of course it may be that one was simply unaware of the candidates position. They do offer quotes from the debates. speeches and policy statements on their websites to support their evaluations.
I think the reason that I got the results I did is that I rated as important issues some things that the candidates rate lower, and differ from me. I think that Edwards, for example, is a bit more conservative on issues like medicinal marijuana and gay marriage than I am. And I am for total withdrawal…while he’s for leaving 5000 troops there and an even more significant strike force in Kuwait that could be sent back in.
So Kucinich was 95% in tune with my position, followed closely by Gravel 92% and Richardson 90%. Biden at 88% Obama at 85%, and Edwards and Hillary at 79%. Seems about right actually. Then there was Ron Paul at about 60%, followed by the Republican Munchkins (McCain, Mitt and Giuliani) all about 39-35% except for Tancredo and Hunter that were down in the 20’s. I’m actually surprised that they weren’t zero.
Chaos is the plan!
As the Good Book is interpreted by the current administration…
“It is time to build an Ark”
This is God punishing Pat Robertson for endorsing a thrice divorced, gay loving, abortion allowing, New Yorker.
The problem is that just praying is way too pussied out. Their god demands blood sacrifice. They need to start an intensive search for virgins down there.
(insert your own punch line here)
I live in COlorado. Though this state is the origin of most of the rivers in the mountain states, this region is naturally arid (<12′ precip./yr). We cannot just take all over the water the rivers carry, because downstream states are also dependent on those rivers. We must abide by compacts with those states. We have suffered for the last 5 years through the worst drought in history. Based on studies by the climatologists, thiere has never been a period dryer in this area. Because we are used to living in an overappropriated watershed, we have always conserved water.
We are used to watering restrictions. We give fines if anyone is caught watering their lawns. Most communities here use a progressive billing system, so that water users are charged higher rates if they are big users. The more they use, the higher the rate. Many people have gone to xeriscaping instead of lawns.
Ranchers and farmers have been forced to curtail pumping in over 1000 irrigation wells causing many to quit farming. Others have tried to find crops that use less water to help them survive. Many farmers have had their allocation of water cut by up to 90%. When it is not raining and you cannot irrigate, it makes it pretty hard to farm.
We have survived the last few years, because we already were under restrictions, and we just had to tighten up more. It has been very difficult. But atlanta needs to get serious about water conservation methods. People can be forced to conserve, but the government has to make it painful to be wasteful.
We may want to “talk” to our Christian brothers and sisters and let them know that Armegeddon won’t REALLY happen unless THEY continue to provide their faithbased (lack of) leadership.
I am however a practicing paegan (Lakota) shaman and will do a legitamate rain dance for the kind and caring souls of Georgia… it should give you enough water to fill your canteens and “get the HELL out of Dodge”.
There is , I have been told, a huge buyers market in this Great Nation in almost any direction that you plan to migrate; but alas, the water and all other natural resorces have been privatized!
Thanks for the rain dance, wilderness wino@304. I’m not sure how many “kind and caring” souls there are here in Georgia, though; at least there’s TRex!
Exactly… and these people (TRex, VG, ?) will always be welcome in my “home”!
Comment 23 above starts with:
“total morons in charge”
That would be Conservatives. Their belief, as in Katrina, is ’self-reliance.’ Get out there and dig yourself a well.
Actual planning and action would require big government. Start yesterday to sink big ass deep wells as a hedge against drought – that would require tax revenue.
Government, taxes. Can’t have that. Throw out the baby with the wash first.
Not look to the Great Lakes to bail GA out. Thoses are International waters. You have to negocite with Canada and the Great Lake States about any water diversion. And as a Detroiter I can tell ya — ain’t goin’ to happen.
Trex:
I am not clear on why you use Perdue’s numbers on this. The Corps of Engineers has said repeatedly that there are over 260 days worth of water in Lanier right now. Sonny has said that it is poisoned with heavy metals, but the Corps had independent tests done which show that that is not the case. Worst case scenario is that the water will be a little more costly to filter.
Sonny et al clearly know this and yet are still fast tracking new power plants, some nuclear which use immense amounts of water…..this is just an opportunity for them to gut the Endangered Species Act and the Clean Water Act. Citing the eighty day figure just feeds into the hysteria they seek to create.
While they are clearly culpable in their development strategy without doing anything whatsoever in terms of water infrastructure to match it, I think that concentrating on their dire threat scenarios only serves to empower their true objectives. Gwinnett, after all, still has an even odd outdoor watering policy. Were the problem as serious as they make out, they would not allow the disaster to actually happen on their watch.
what happens when your 10 to 20 gallons of emergency water runs out?
when the water is gone, there will be none
left to weep.
peas!
About the rain catchment for home irrigation. I built a setup like this last year, a 65 gallon rain barrel raised up 2 feet, a timer, and drip irrigation.
Cost a total of $115 and took an afternoon to assemble. I haven’t had to drag out a watering can all summer and my landscape looks great. Self contained, self sufficient, and not a penny spent after install.
Not sure if it’ll ever save me money over running the tap to water the plants, but I did it mainly to save the time and effort.
I also live in Seattle where the rain is plentiful in the winter and early spring, but in the summer it’s usually bone dry. In the summer I love watching all the lawns go brown…people here think it’s insane to pour perfectly good tap water on the ground. Come fall the rain will come and the grass will recover. Not so much in the suburbs where the sprinklers still run wild all summer.
And this is going to sound really bad, but.
I will ask all register Democrats and progressive independnet voters to raise their hands and set up a system to delivery water for their needs.
All others – suck on the dry lake bed and pray. Because as the good book says: You reap what you sow.