“The most important thing to succeed in show business is sincerity. And if you can fake that, you’ve got it made.” (George Burns)
Such is the essential message of Chris Matthews’ new book, “Life is a Campaign”. He posits that we can all learn from politicians and their oh-so-clever trick of pretending to listen to and care about people they don’t give eight tenths of a bucket of warm spit what happens to.
This was what got Matthews into so much trouble in his brutal interview with Jon Stewart. Stewart was (understandably) flabbergasted. He was saying (and I’m paraphrasing here), “I can’t believe that this is your philosophy of life. Lie and shmooze and fake your way to the top? That’s your advice to America?”
And Matthews looked at Stewart in complete befuddlement, wearing an expression like a dog hearing a high-pitched sound, “Yeah, what’s wrong with that?”
It was a bloodbath.
Well, today I was out running errands before work and I turned on Radio Free Lunch with Mara Davis, a show where the host, Mara Davis, picks a theme and then listeners email and call in with requests. Sometimes she has a guest, and when I tuned in, there was this nasal, irritating voice that seemed weirdly familiar, but certainly not in this context. I thought, “Is that Conan O’Brian?”
“Blah, blah, whine, whine, Bill Clinton. Hillary, Hillary, blah, whine,” the voice said, then went on to speculate about how many nights a month Bill and Hillary sleep in the same bed or something.
“Well, goddamn,” I thought, “Tweety’s publicist has screwed up the directions to AM 750 (Atlanta’s home for angry Righty talkers), and he’s ended up at Dave FM* by mistake, and fetched up here between Bow Wow Wow and Tom Petty. Quelle catastrophe!“
(*The spot on my dial that a. I do not work at and b. seems to consistently provide the Lowest Percentage of Suck.)
And Mara Davis is my favorite. Her show is a riot. Occasionally she has been known to bust out and sing a Johnny Cash song (“I’ve Been Everywhere”) on a dare from a listener. (She made it all the way to the second chorus without screwing up, just FYI.) And I have never once heard a guest sound uncomfortable on her show.
Until today.
Matthews, despite being presented with a completely congenial interview situation, was bombing. Dying. I have no idea whose brilliant plan it was to put him on the station, but the market couldn’t have been more wrong for Matthews’ brand of tepid Old Boy DC-insider quips and nasty little anti-Clinton asides.
She asked him about his interview with John Stewart and the most eloquent thing he could come up with to say about it was, “John Stewart wishes he had my height. He’s a jealous man. Jealous, angry guy.”
Then he fell completely silent, probably realizing that most of the people who listen to the station also watch the Daily Show. After a pause, Davis tried to draw him out.
“How about you play our Radio Free Lunch game with us, Chris?” she prodded, “The topic is Worst Choices for a Campaign Song Ever.” Then she named off an impressive slew of anti-campaign songs like, “I Fought the Law and the Law Won” by the Clash and “I Got High” by Afro-Man, “I Shot the Sheriff” and more.
Silence from Matthews.
“Well,” he ventured after a moment, “FDR won with ‘Happy Days are Here Again’. John Kennedy used ‘High Hopes’,” he paused, “And Bill Clinton used ‘Don’t Stop Thinking About Tomorrow’ in his campaign.”
Now, I don’t know that I’ve ever actually heard the sound of someone rolling their eyes to heaven quite so clearly as I heard Mara Davis do it today. It was a Moment in Radio History, I think.
“No, Chris,” she said patiently, “The game is WORST campaign songs.”
“I guess I only know the good ones,” Matthews replied lamely.
A deeply awkward silence followed.
“I’m too stiff, aren’t I?” Tweety conceded.
“No, no!” lied Mara Davis, “Here, gang, I’m going to play Chris Matthews’ favorite song.”
And in what I can only hope was a nod and a wink to the radio audience, she cued up Beck’s “Loser”.
“You don’t even know this song, do you, Chris?” she asked him as the slide guitars growled to life and the song kicked in.
Tragic.
Matthews needs to fire his publicist and whoever else thought that it would be a good idea for him to try to sway the elusive Youf Market this way. Di-saster.
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TRex again!!!
Ack again again!
Late Late, Hail hail, the gang’s all etc.
Muse.
Hello !
Hey TRex!
I got epu’d:
9-11 group blasts GOP hopeful Giuliani
from mcclatchydc.com: Homepage
HANOVER, N.H. — With the New Hampshire presidential primary now seven weeks away, a New York group whose members lost relatives in the World Trade Center attacks in 2001 tried to dent Republican candidate Rudy Giuliani’s image as “America’s Mayor” Monday night, saying he failed to prepare the city to deal with a major disaster in the years before the attack.
who told downstairs?
And from the Duh! file:
from BBC World
People with sexually transmitted infections face risks by buying internet treatments, say researchers.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. I hope his entire book tour goes so swimmingly. Codpiece-sniffer.
i wish trex would hurry up with my winning lotto ticked and whirled peas. (drumming fingernails on desktop)
update on the writers strike:
you can bet the advertisers are noticing:
the advertisers are seriously considering asking for some of their upfront money back for this tv season.
more at skippy.
also at skippy, details on how you can, for a mere dollar, support the writers’ project to send a whole crap load of pencils to the studio execs in a symbolic gesture about writing and not writing.
but the good news is, the two parties are returning to the negotiating table at the end of this month.
teddy, he wishes he was a codpiece sniffer instead of only a codpiece coveter
U.S. Attorney in Minnesota Is Reassigned
from NYT > Home Page by PHILIP SHENON
The announcement by the prosecutor, Rachel K. Paulose, came after reports of new staff turmoil in her office.
hey skippy – we were talking about you downstairs – were your ears burning?
Tweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!
TexBetsy @ 4
Well, it’s true. What did he really do that day except run around from safe location to safe location and pose for photos? What did Bush really do that day except jet around from safe location to safe location?
And yet these guys act like History has Marked Them Out as Heroes(!!).
If you’re a night watchman at a warehouse and the whole place gets cleaned out by thieves on your watch, do you really think you should be promoted to president of the company?
Uh, no.
Suzanne @ 5
I did
oh, my god, that’s GOOD. if this world is just, something like that will occur in beautiful HD for all of us to chortle at.
don’t get me wrong. I HATES me some Bush/Cheney. but my deepest loathing is reserved for every last Beltway–er, Village muthaf***a who’ve blithely smiled along with this awful attempted coup. I want them effing BANNED from the airwaves forever and ever.
Dang, EPU’d
This is good news… Not great news, tho…
U.N. to Cut Estimate Of AIDS Epidemic
Population With Virus Overstated by Millions
By Craig Timberg
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, November 20, 2007; Page A01
JOHANNESBURG, Nov. 19 — The United Nations’ top AIDS scientists plan to acknowledge this week that they have long overestimated both the size and the course of the epidemic, which they now believe has been slowing for nearly a decade, according to U.N. documents prepared for the announcement.
AIDS remains a devastating public health crisis in the most heavily affected areas of sub-Saharan Africa. But the far-reaching revisions amount to at least a partial acknowledgment of criticisms long leveled by outside researchers who disputed the U.N. portrayal of an ever-expanding global epidemic.
The latest estimates, due to be released publicly Tuesday, put the number of annual new HIV infections at 2.5 million, a cut of more than 40 percent from last year’s estimate, documents show. The worldwide total of people infected with HIV — estimated a year ago at nearly 40 million and rising — now will be reported as 33 million.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews
perhaps you’re not a republican?
TRex…
I’d love to hear a little tape recording online of part of that interview. That is too funny!
Margot @ 19
I looked for it EVERYWHERE.
skippy @ 9
Plenty ‘o writing happening in Blognia-Herzegovnia. Come to the light you displaced TV watchers and advertisers. You might not go back.
Be sincere, whether you mean it or not.
Oh, and a GREAT BIG HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO NEWTONUSR!!
Is he still around?
Good lord.
Please let this be the end of Tweety.
Sylvester desperately needs a kill.
TRex @ 23
Hi BigGuy! Thanks loads!
TRex @ 23
Evil, bad scorpio.
marymccurnin @ 26
I keep hearing that…
Hi Mary!
mary, dood tried to say downstairs that he didn’t tell us saturday because he is shy.
Ah, Scorpios. You can’t live with em and you can’t live with em.
Bless their hearts.
Suzanne @ 28
That is just plain silly.
wigwam @ 22
Credit to Flanders and Swan, The Reluctant Cannibal, circa 1956.
TRex @ 29
I try not to be, you know, that guy you described last week. But it’s hard out there for a Scorp…
TRex @ 29
I am a left handed, southern, scorpio. Scares people when I tell em.
newt, did your cake get delivered on time?
OT: Today Japan started photographing and fingerprinting foreigners arriving at Narita airport (Tokyo). A step taken in (no doubt cheery) reciprocation for what the US does to its foreign visitors (except at the borders with Canadia and Mexistan) these days. People had expected gawd-awful delays, but things looked pretty smooth from the NHK TV news coverage — 30 mins to 1 hour in The Big Room With The Long Line, i.e. pretty much as per norm. (Not that actually I understand Japanese, mind you…)
This has been another Bulletin From And For Those Who Occasionally Travel To Japan.
The thing that hit me the most about the interview was that with Matthews, there’s no there there. He seems to be completely devoid of conviction. Everything to him is just media spectacle. He’s got no moral compass.
This made him a painfully uninteresting guy to interview.
Too stiff???
I’ve seen 4000-year-old mummies that display more animation than Tweety.
Fuck you, blondy.
You’re finished.
TexBetsy @ 34
Betsy, what a beauty!
Thanks so much. Big LOL!
Bless their hearts — will ALWAYS remember this Trex.
But do you have a widow’s peak?
newtonusr @ 38
And to think — the kids said i’d never get that other guy’s name off your cake successfully!
TRex @ 36
totally explains why he was so clueless to what jon stewart was saying. i can’t stand watching him on tv anymore – the few minutes i get before KO starts is more than enough tweety
TRex @ 36
He doesn’t even know how to push back. And when he dies he is not going to decompose. He is just going to go poof.
TRex @ 40
Just a cowlick.
heh. i love losers totally bombing. sounds like a great show.
today Digby said: Chris Matthews is an imbecile and a scumbag with an obscure personal agenda.
love digby
Hmmm. @ 35
I remember reading local articles about the Japanese arriving in Honolulu, during Golden Week, grumbling about the long waits and long lines… ;-)
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 45
I just couldn’t figure out the logic of having him on there. But, you know, it wasn’t his audience. Still, back in my rock and roll days, we would occasionally, on the road, open for another band who was a TOTALLY TERRIBLE MATCH for us and we would come face to face with a potentially hostile crowd of strangers.
On those nights, you turn it OUT. You play extra-extra-extra well. And just maybe, if you’re lucky, you win them over.
Matthews was totally ill-equipped to do that, to explain himself to a bunch of people who couldn’t care less why they should care. He was just a fish out of water, gasping, dying…
Four Ways to Solve the Energy Crisis
from Esquire.com http://www.esquire.com/feature…..07?src=rss
Four Ways to Solve the Energy CrisisWhich also happen to be four reasons why Gal Luft is the most hated man in Riyadh, Detroit, and Des Moines.
marymccurnin @ 43
In the interview, Chris couldn’t understand that Jon didn’t like his book — he just was incredulous.
newtonusr @ 32
I hear ya. Sometimes I wish I would’ve formed as a LLC or C-corp, but the tax advantages have worked well for me as an Scorp.
(kidding aside) It’s nice to see such cool Scorps around here, since we wonder sometimes about our 3 year old Scorpio daughter. She’s such a great person, but so many people keep saying, “just wait…” and we’re like, “For what? She’s a really cool kid.”
Internal Diebold Memos, found in Google Cache.
Also..
Is The Smirking Chimp a credible blog?
Pentagon Cover Up:15,000 or more US casualties in Iraq War
snip
TRex- I love this post!
Very much in the oeuvre of one your most hilarious posts at FDL:
Late Night FDL: MataTron Goes Long
omigod! That was a keeper! Especially special.
Chris Matthews is OBSESSED with the Clintons. Bet he dreams Clintons. I’ve never seen anything like it. I loved the Daily clip!
What are whirled peas?
Scorpios … i used to be involved with a meditation group that put on monthly Full Moon Meditations. I was still married, the ol ex-to-be was trying to be more interested in my life, bless his heart, so he went to the Scorpio Full Moon with me & our two daughters. When the officiant said “All those with Sun, Moon, or Ascendant in Scorpio can come forward for a blessing,” my ex got up & walked forward with our two girls, leaving me in the pew. The whole group turned around and stared at me like, she’s still alive?
Loo Hoo. @ 54
Wet dreams.
TRex @ 36
I have an in-law like that. He’s a
BS artistmotivational speaker, if that’s the correct term. Goes to different companies and gives speeches. He seemed to be kind of calculating and glib at the same time…creepy.blue e @ 46
spew!
The Sweetie and I went to Japan during Golden Week last year. Absolutely no line in The Big Room With The Long Line. Unprecedented. Not to mention recommended!
and what’s up with that goose-honk of a laugh?
punaise @ 60
really. He’s a mope.
TexBetsy @ 49
No. 3 is a non-starter, grow sugarcane for ethanol instead… Sugarcane is water intensive, takes 4 times as long from planting to harvest, and, is a tropical crop…
LooHoo, say it out loud – whirled peas – world peace
Does he live in a VAN down by THE RIVER?!
TRex @ 48
These moments are so telling in so many ways. It’s the Old Media coming face-to-face with the New Media, and man oh man, the future is looking bright enough for shades! Like NASA-grade shades.
If you listen hard enough, you can hear the circuits shorting out in their heads through the microphones…BZZZTT!!! DOES NOT COMPUTE.
The Jon Stewart/Tweety showdown was brillant, and to watch the George Wills and David Broders get their panties in a bunch when someone calls them on their bullshit is very entertaining.
ATTACCCKKKKKK!!!!
TRex @ 36
And he’s got a laugh that makes you want to smack him silly!
marymccurnin @ 26
I’ve always heard sexy scorpio :~)
Hmmm. @ 59
Sorry, they were grumbling about our long lines and waits… I realized after I submitted it I didn’t clarify it very well…
Okay, okay, one more story and then I have to go be in my house, eat dinner, snuggle kitties.
I had a date with a Scorpio over the weekend. Sweet guy. Cute.
Totally animal phobic.
He was terrified of Juan Carlos.
Juan Carlos!! The sweetest, floofiest, purriest, live-action stuffed animal whose never scratched or bitten anyone in his life.
My date could barely sit in the same room with him.
“He’s not going to jump up on the couch, is he?” he asked me.
“Oh, no, he never does that,” I lied.
Okay, I admit it. After a while I started having fun with it. I figured this was prolly my last date with the guy. Might as well have a laugh.
I am a terrible person.
ok. ok…
I’m not standing up for any other Scorps, since I am Astrology-phobic myself. But for the record, I get along with all animals…
My cat will attest.
One myth debunked.
TRex, perhaps he was allergic to cats?
speaking of Broder and his ilk, can’t help but re-post this hilarious image courtsy of
d r i f t g l a s s
CTuttle @ 68
No no, you were perfectly clear… I was just sharing our other-side-of-the-same-coin experience. Not an obvious connection, though; I’ll happily mea culpa.
Bob Somerby has really been going after Tweety lately, bringing up his trashing of Naomi Wolf in Gore2000 (the earth-tones advisor! “sex” author!). He goes on for days – click back to find it all.
Have ya ever had one of those days
i’m off to bed. I think i can take my totally bamboozled self to sleep now.
Tweety got his *ss handed to him on a platter. Good. :D
And fiercely loved here in the lake.
Suzanne @ 63
Gotcha. I was picturing some kinda bright green mush.
sleep well alias. i am slowing down myself. 15 more minutes i think.
Loo Hoo. @ 78
That was leftover at the end of the last thread. Eww….
Hmmm. @ 77
yeup
Via Crooks and Liars
Kucinich at The Global Warming Debate.
*sigh* He really gets it.
It’s time for me to head for my Van Down By The River.
Good night, folks.
Hmmm. @ 73
Their mass transit is top notch too…
punaise @ 72
Oh my god, that is fantastic! Literally crying from too much laughter.
Whew….catching breath…
TexBetsy @ 71
No, I asked.
“No, I just don’t like them. All I need from animals is for them to taste good or look fashionable,” or something to that effect, “Otherwise I mind my business and they mind theirs.”
Now do you understand why I erupted in gales of delighted laughter when Juan Carlos jumped up on to the back of the sofa behind his head and he COMPLETELY FREAKED OUT?
And then I’d get him to calm down again and wait for JC to make his next surprise move.
Life is good.
TRex @ 64
LOL~!
Oh boy, I’d forgotten this sketch.
Eureka Springs @ 82
I like Dennis a little bit. And as easy as it is to “get it” when no monied interests want to climb into your shorts, he does seem to have a compass worth following.
CTuttle @ 84
They dont’ have a lot of room, and so many people? Gas is also insanely expensive. American imports are a ’status symbol’ there, gas guzzlers. I’d love to go there just once to see it, the city, the countryside, and visit an Onsen. *sighs*
So TRex didn’t just make up that interview – it really happened?
Roger Ailes (the good one):
Well, I shall join the exodus, Nite Ya’ll! Aloha Oe!!!
Ed*ard Teller @ 90
It totally happened.
evening stuff now up. including the three stories i
stolelearned about from the last thread.sleep well neuro and CT
newtonusr @ 70
Point one. Bad argument. I doubt the wisdom of your cat attesting to the fact that you “get along with all animals”. Cats are good, but somewhat limited as to their perspectives on other animals.
Point two. You have a cat, Newt!!!!??? That entirely changes my view of you. I had no idea. You have kept that secret for such a long time. You might have volunteered that on one of the TRex kitty posts, before now.
Cutting emissions no mission impossible
from HoustonChronicle
At least some measures to reduce air pollution from Houston-area plants are within reach, despite the industry’s complaints that Mayor Bill White’s six-month deadline for improvements is unattainable.
*waving to the leaving sleepy pups*
Well no wonder Tweety is happiest in the DC bubble. He’s no longer capable of functioning in the real world, if he ever was.
Trex, please tell me her show is available on podcast. Please!
Valley Girl @ 96
We keep a low-profile…
vg, he kept totally silent saturday at the meetup that today was his birthday. never mentioned his cat the whole afternoon either.
TRex @ 93
That is so awesome! How could you drive?
Good video on the strike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzRHlpEmr0w
now i could have come up with a cat-shaped cake without having to erase and re-write the names. geez!
Loo Hoo. @ 66
Good grief, was he one of the people attacking Hillary for her laugh? Not only is his laugh unattractive but his voice is awful. I haven’t heard a voice like that since men stopped wearing testicle-stranglers pants in the 70s.
TexBetsy @ 104
No chance! Yours is the one!
aliasofwestgate @ 89
It is a highly evolved, elegant, and deeply frustrating culture. I visit it whenever I can.
persiflage @ 105
Matthews laugh is used on Countdown, during the lead in to Oddball. It’s the obnoxious “HA!” so who the hell is he to make fun of anyone’s laugh?
alrighty, took me a while to dig this up, but for the record i luurrrvvvs Scorpios, and here’s Ry Cooder, all time sexiest Scorpio
newtonusr @ 100
Thanks, Newt, for your minimally informative reply.
But, in the spirit of the Bear Creek Firepups, can’t you just rise to the occasion? It’s late nite, after all.
Indians can be insourced for those professional jobs that can’t be outsourced: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/s…..amp;page=1
Oh, I love Scorpios, too. It’s just that with Scorpio/Gemini pairings, it only stays fun for so long.
You people and your NEEEEEDS.
newtonusr @ 100
Cuz he’s a shy devil.
Asian shares echo sharp US fall
from BBC World
East Asian shares fall sharply after heavy falls overnight in the US due to further fears of the credit crisis fallout.
I can tell you guys all about Newt’s cat and how they met.
Can I tell them, Newt?
bonkers @ 51
Yeah, Scorpios are really cool.
*glares around, daring anyone to contradict*
;-)
Good point, persiflage. He couldn’t stop talking about Hillary’s “cackle.”
Puberty.
That’s what.
TRex @ 115
i double dog dare ya to trex
in fact, i triple dog dare ya
Valley Girl @ 110
Bear Creek FirePups…
I’m not a cat person by history, but this one is old and sweet and snow-white and long-haired and some dick-head took her front claws years ago. So I’m a softie, I guess…
TRex @ 118
like every other kid in america, even the non-scorpios
TRex @ 115
Ohhhh!!!! Please, TRex!!!!
All children reach that hormonal crossroads, regardless of astrological sign.
“Oh, he used to be such an angel…what happened?“
My mother said the only time she ever considered having an abortion was when my brother and I were 15.
TRex @ 115
Please do!
Eureka Springs @ 52
I could be wrong, but I think that the Veteran suicides include Veterans of all Wars and service between those wars. It would include those returning from Iraq…and any JUMP in the suicide rate might be attributed to mental health problems amongst those. Hard to think of anything else that might be the cause, unless it’s the economic downturn or some failing with the Veterans Administration coverage.
Anther point may have to relate to who is a “Veteran” ~ would it include someone who returns from a tour, but may be called up again. Or would it only be those who have totally left an armed service?
If the latter there may be a lot of additional suicides of those serving in , and who have just returned from, Iraq that are concealed on top of these figures.
newtonusr @ 120
Well, I guess that preempted TRex’s tell-all story. Your kitty owns you.
putting down trex cookie with tail and head still attached…
:: waiting for heartwarming cat story ::
Why do these people write books? So they can go on these shows. A book publisher told me, “Nobody reads books, they just talk about the ideas in them.” Great. That’s really encouraging.
Someone else also said, “Everyone has a book in them. And for most people, it should stay there.”
Too bad Matthew’s book didn’t stay in his big head.
yes to the first, no to the second
only those who are out
ok, i’m in a Ry Cooder state of mind tonite, putting a quarter in for a song off his Chicken Skin Music album with Bobby King on vocals and Flaco Jiminez on accordian
Newt had a neighbor and the neighbor had a cat. The cat got a little crush on Newt and started hanging out at his house. Then she started hanging out there all the time and only went home at night because her crush had deepened to lurrrrve.
The neighbor decided when she moved that she couldn’t take the cat with her and was going to have her put down. Because she was inconvenient.
Newt was horrified, “You can’t do that! She can come live with me.”
And she did. At first our newtonusr was terrified that he was going to do everything wrong. He ran to the store and got cat food and dishes and a litter box and laid them before his new roommate hoping that she wasn’t going to be too freaked out about living with a non cat owner.
And the kitty just happily settled in, knowing that this had been her plan all along. She found the man of her dreams.
I understand she has him quite well trained now.
Did I leave anything out?
awwwwww!!!!
TRex @ 132
awww, what a purrrfect happy ending
yes, awwwwww!!!
TRex @ 132
That covers it pretty well. What a cat memory!
Thanks TRex!
Okay. Food.
Good night, everybody.
*sniffle* That’s beautiful! What a smart kitty.
Good night dear friends. See you tomorrow.
TRex @ 132
Yes
Twoo Wuuv!
Nite, Trex.
g’nite trex, enjoy dinner and the rest of your nite
spocko @ 129
reminds me of a cartoon i saw, think it was in the New Yorker, two people finishing a restaurant lunch, captioned “we talked so much about books we haven’t read that i felt like i was back in publishing again!”
TexBetsy @ 139
pain free sleep wishes tex
Nite, TexB.
What a sweet kitty story, TRex. Aw, newt.
OMG!!
Hey, Spocko!!
Brilliant.
good night TRex, what a sweet story. Teh kitties just know.
G’night TexBetsy!
nite TRex
nite betsy. great cake!
Aw hell, nobody’s gonna top that… so…
Good night, Excellent Ladies and Gentlemen; I thank you all for another delightful evening. Sweet dreams to all.
newdealfarmgrrrlll says
November 19th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Good one. You know what’s annoying is that after you do something amazing they say, “Great do a book.” It’s like, that’s was great now do this other really hard thing and THEN you can get on the talk shows. Oh and you won’t make money on the book because nobody reads them.
So then you have to sell some OTHER product because people don’t read the book. It’s insane!
I love what Mitch Hedberg said about this:
TRex @ 148
TRex, on the other hand, you do have a book in you, and I think it should come out. Political? Agatha Christie mystery? (She is woefully underrated.) You choose. We will read.
Hey TREX! Drop me a line some time. I need some input on a project I’m working on involving our favorite station.
Now I’m off to bed.
We have two new kittens, just starting to grow into petit lions. I keep taking pictures of them sleeping curled up like a taijitu but they just come out a big blur – one’s black, the other grey.
I’ve been a little concerned that Sprout was not as interested in them as I thought he’d be. Tonight, there was a daring kitten escape, into the back yard where we lost the last, namesake kitten, Toby.
Sprout was disconsolate when he thought Toby was gone forever and angry with him when he was finally captured – lured, actually, with shrimp tails. I hope it wasn’t a mistake, new kittens. I don’t want to break my baby’s heart.
marymccurnin @ 43
TexBetsy @ 130
That’s exactly what my view was (except I believe that there are Veterans of Foreign Wars…and other Veterans of the Armed Services).
So what has to be done is CBS has to crunch their figures and see if there were increases in rate of suicide after the Iraq War began. That would be suggestive.
Or they need to get the actual numbers of suicides of Iraq War Veterans.
But it may be that these suicides have always been ignored by the Veterans Administration, that they were already higher than the general population…and didn’t vary much when scaled to the total number of Vets.
But if they are mainly 18-24 years old (or a bit older) then they would have to Iraq/Afghan era deaths. If those have gone up then that, too, is foreboding.
But I’d like the link to Iraq to be a bit more specific. Still, it’s bad that the VA and Pentagon has been covering this up regardless. It suggests that they simply don’t want it generally known that military life is actually debilitating to mental health.
Mommybrain @ 155
Your “sprout” is a great young man, btw.
Black gold in Brazil.
Huffpo.
Mommybrain @ 155
Shrimp tails? You know what your babies want and how to get them to come home. Well done. Sprout will adjust to a bigger family. Sure sounds like he already has, even if he didn’t want to admit it.
Loo Hoo. @ 159
If they nationalize that oil field to keep the money for themselves they’ll be invaded eventually. By us, most likely. I wish them luck.
TheOtherWA, I forgot to mention the coyotes who ate our last kitten 6 months ago. I’m afraid sprout won’t want to love them because he’s afraid to lose them.
Thanks, Newt (beaming). I think so, too.
perhaps sprout can be your co-conspirator on keeping the house escape proof for the kitties
Mommybrain @ 162
Oh, no wonder you’re worried. Now I understand. Those new kitties better get used to staying indoors.
Loo Hoo. @ 159
Per that article:
Initially, Tupi will produce about 100,000 barrels a day but may ramp up to as much as 1 million before 2020—more than the biggest U.S. field in Alaska’s Prudhoe Bay, says Hugo Repsold, Petrobras’ exploration and production strategy manager. “It’s monstrous,” says Matthew Shaw, a Latin America energy analyst at consultant Wood Mackenzie in London.
At a million barrels per day, that billion-barrel oil field gets pumped out in a thousand days, i.e., less than three years.
Suzanne @ 164
The “sprout” is famous, you know…
Mommybrain @ 155
Awww. So cute. I actually do still have a photo of Max and Corliss napping that way, way back when they were tiny. And that’s exactly what I used to call it…’cept for not knowing the actual Japanese(?) word for it.
FunnyDiva
Mommybrain @ 162
I am so sorry. When I went to Ithaca for a year on sabbatical and rented a house, the owners, who were going to be in Boston for a year, were grateful for my offer to include the kitty in my rental deal. Apparently, coyotes were eating cats in Boston!
Suzanne @ 164
First we have to repair all the holes in the screens that the dog put in when we first moved into our two-story house from a single story. Shortly after we moved in, I came home to find him, a big ‘ol rottie-lab mix, standing on the second story roof, looking nervous. He had been used to poking out the screen at our last home when a bear got too close to the house. He froze and db had to sneak out and leash him.
Bahahaha! “Lie and schmooze and fake your way to the top” is avice for success if you have no talent and your connected.
Still Jon Stewart, and KO prove that talent stilll beats mediocre.
Awww. So cute. I actually do still have a photo of Max and Corliss napping that way, way back when they were tiny. And that’s exactly what I used to call it…’cept for not knowing the actual Japanese(?) word for it.
FunnyDiva
I have 20 yr old picture of my black cat and my white cat in taijitu on a red blanket. I luv katz.
newtonusr @ 120
Mr.Brat thinks you are a Champ and cannot believe how clean and spiffy my heretofore nasty mini-Mac screen is thanks to your generousity of the fine iKlear two step Apple Polish packets.
((((((((((NEWT !))))))))))
hey NPB – i saw your tap dancing guy in the chronicle sunday!
newspaperbrat @ 173
Most welcome. All part of the service, ma’am!
How you, npb?!?
I need this comment from yesterday’s late late night as a set up for my next comment If anyone sees Toby Wollin please tell him I replied.
Toby Wollin says:
November 19th, 2007 at 4:21 am
Things Come Undone @ 195
” Homeowners’ insurance rates have climbed between 20 percent and 100 percent since Katrina two years ago, the report said, citing Robert Hartwig, senior vice president and chief economist of the Insurance Information Institute. Increases on the lower end are in relatively low-risk coastal areas like coastal New Hampshire, and the highest increases are in high-risk areas like coastal Mississippi, Florida, and Louisiana. ”
Hey if Bush says he doubts Global Warming then how come he is letting the insaurence companies raise rates?
Any FirePups in Louisana or Florida want to file a lawsuit demanding that either Bush acknowledge Global Warming exists or he should stop the insaurence companies from charging Homeowners so much.
Business-related insurance has gone through huge increases since 2001. My railroad crossings (for fiber optic cable, either on poles or plowed under the right of way) are literally out in the middle of no place. Just to find them is difficult. We are required to have insurance by the railroad companies — in 2001, the bill for those each, was about $200 a year. After 9/11 — $2000 a year each and going up.
The insurance companies did not care WHERE the crossings were – or even if a reasonable person could figure out that if our operations guys could not find them, the chances of a terrorist finding them was in the “none and none” range – 9/11 seemed to give them the license to make all policy holders pay the freight for the losses they incured in on 9/11.
Happy Birthday newtonusr!
Don’t toss your cake, but since Tweety is the suject du jour, I offer this quote – in speaking of George W Bush:
“it isn’t always there, but sometimes this man glimmers with a sunny nobility”
SunnyNobility @ 177
Thank you, Sunny.
And my condolences.
SunnyNobility @ 177
***
Apparently Tweety fluffed the correct description, which ended with “simply no ability.”
Apparently Tweety fluffed the correct description, which ended with “simply no ability.”
ding
newtonusr @ 175
Spirits quite high, thanks! The afternoon by the creek with all you fine pups chased all my Bush blues away. Your videos just the icing on da cake! (Northern CA fire dogs for evah!) *g*
newspaperbrat @ 181
Wasn’t that a hoot?!?
time for this pup to get out of the lake for the nite – i’m all pruney and wrinkly looking – not a good look on a woman of my age.
g’nite all
What does it say about a society where a clueless fucktard like Tweety is considered ‘important’, where what he does and says is considered to ‘matter’.
Puffed up, ignorant, self-important prig of a man who clearly ain’t too smart and he’s ’significant’.
His existence is disgusting comment on the depths to which our ‘culture’ has sunk. It’s little wonder that the rest of the world thinks we’re more dangerous than the IslamoFascitii with such as Mathews and Dumbya allowed to roam the streets instead of locked up in a rubber room for everyone’s good.
Frankly, the sooner the cockroaches and rats take over the better.
Metlife a home insurance company current stock price
$62.68 dividend 74 cents a share
Sept 2, 2005 after Katrina $ 48.97 dividend 52 cents a share.
9/11, 2001 $29.70 dividend 20 cents a share
Dividend once a year
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:MET
Hartford Financial Services a Propert insurance company current price
$89.23 four dividend payments a year 50 cents a share
Sept 2, 2005 after Katrina $74.30 a share 29 cent dividend 4 times a year
Sept 28, 2001 after 9/11 $58.74 a share Dividend 26 cents a share still 4 times a year
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:HIG
Notice the dividend was not cut once even after all the financial hardship these companies faced right after the Terrorism of 9/11.
And the Global Warming warning of Hurricane Katrina.
The stock price also went up even though these companies were paying out the losses from 9/11 and Katrina, but before the new higher rates would have had time to kick in.
I know Berkshire Hathaway invests their insurance money I wonder how the other insurance companies invest their cash.
Given the market today I wonder if the insurance companies would be doing better if the money they invested was getting better returns.
Please note I kept Berkshire Hathaway out of this comparision because Warren Buffet would have skewed the results way postive to the point I’m trying to make.
Still Warren gets money from his insurance companies and invests it very well. Other insurance companies could or might be trying to do the same. Just not with the same results.
All in all I think the insurance companies have never been in danger from any of the calamites described, but they have used them as an excuse to raise rates.
Its an imaginary “Shock Doctrine”
Suppose we pull out all our troops from Iraq Bush thinks that there will be a civil war.
He might be right but given his track record…well has Bush ever been right about anything?
I’m thinking that the killing in any civil war would be less if we don’t provided money and arms for one side. If we take away fuel from the fire the fire will burn itself out.
Protecting the Kurds who face genocide from Turks, Syria and Iran though is an idea I can get behind.
Lookit here, fdl is on Hendrik Hertzberg’s 17-name blogroll in the New Yorker online! Cool.
Edwards, Obama and Hilary all want to leave behind a large residual force in Iraq. Which means our troops will keep getting shot at.
I have thought this over and I think that they are nuts. The Greenzone embassy in Bagdad is a target. Plus the Sunni’s don’t have any oil so what strategic purpose does it serve us to keep troops there?
The Sunni are killing each other and the Brits less now that the Brits are gone from the southern Shia lands. Lets follow their example after all nothing else has worked.
The Kurds on the other hand want us there. They have oil which fullfills our strategic intrests. Plus if we leave the Kurds will be killed by Turkey, Syria,Iran and the Sunni.
As a Democrat I can get behind stopping a genocide.
I just can’t get behind our troops getting killed by the people we want to help.
If the big three Democrats want to keep troops in Kurdish lands only I will support them. But they have to start talking about Iraq with real plans and not sound bytes. I would also support a total withdrawl of troops though.
Mommybrain @ 187
Good reporters do need story ideas I wonder who else reads us good and bad?
re: education.
Phillips Exeter Academy announced it will start giving 100% scholarships to all accepted students with family incomes below $75,000 per year.
“This financial aid package will include not only free tuition and room and board, but also a range of other expenses. Books, academic supplies, linen, health and technology fees, and a computer will be covered.”
This is Exeter in NH, not GWB’s Andover (though the founders were relatives). Exeter also offers a post-grad high school year and includes among its modern foreign language classes: Chinese, Japanese and Arabic.
Judging from their web site stats, the student body is highly inclusive. Before this initiative, probably half of their students had some kind of aid from the school. Their endowment exceeds $1 billion.
Could be a great break for a talented ambitious kid.
Exeter
OT but did anybody watch Amy Goodman’s interview with Adrian Levy on Democracy Now (Mon 19 Nov)? Pretty explosive stuff. http://www.democracynow.org/streampage.pl
I had picked up bits and pieces of what Levy had to say from other sources but didn’t realise the extent of US complicity in nuclear proliferation. Do watch it if you can. A rerun of Valerie Plame Wilson at an earlier time by the same players – Cheney, Addington, Libby, etc. Only that time the CIA protected its own from a vicious smear campaign.
Having watched that interview, I have a plea for FDL readers to distinguish between the world’s largest democracy and its neighbouring US clent potentate.
newtonusr @ 182
Indeed, grinning widely at remembering all the laughing out loud – where do I begin…. egregious and her TRex cookies, you discovering your camera was videotaping, Suz & her contagious laughter, punaise and Sahra hovering over the oven awaiting the best pizza evah with religious furor leaving SF Teddy’s divine Greek dish in danger of total disappearance while Tokin’s clever stealth moves under the table were no match for everyone’s favorite late nite moderator despite her best efforts! And who should suddenly appear but the incomparable Freeway Blogger! Mary and I just knew the afternoon could not possibly get any better yet then along came the stunning Madame Punaise whose charm and beauty made confirmed Francophiles out of all us creatures great and small. (((((SUZ!))))
newspaperbrat @ 193
That’s a great rundown! I will EPU this tomorrow night if you don’t…
I’m out of here. Nite all.
Don’t post much, but have to stand up for Scorpios, being one myself (11/14). I have 2 dogs, 2 cats, and 2 birds, so the idea of not liking animals is ridiculous! Now, people is another thing…
wigwam @ 166
At a million barrels per day, that billion-barrel oil field gets pumped out in a thousand days, i.e., less than three years.
Actually the Petrobas estimate of the reserve is between 5 and 8 billion barrels. So it would mean that if they were capable of initiating 1 billion bbl a year pumping within the first year (unlikely) it’d be between 13.5 and 22 years before the field was exhausted.
The bigger problem is distorting their economy and making it susceptible to fluctuations in the price of oil. The need to make sure the oil wealth is spread out over a long period of time and that as it diminishes other sectors of the economy can compensate. They also have to worry about the wealth widening gaps between rich and poor
and destabilizing the Democracy. Lots of people will want to get their hands on the fields.
Things Come Undone @ 185
Interesting indeed. Wonder how they are doing with claim settlements. Also, wonder how much all of the insurance companies have in those excellent (ahem) mortgage backed securities.
In the day I used to watch insurance co permanent loans on commercial properties. And most seemed relatively conservative.
Had an eye opener in a discussion w/state insurance commissioner – the number of companies they had in receivership was unnerving. Don’t think folks really consider that risk when they buy annuities, etc. My state has a pool into which the companies are required to pay and the state guarantees payment to insureds up to a stipulated amount($100,000 IIRC). Hooker is that once the fund is exhausted, no more payments. No idea how large a disaster it would take to wipe out the fund. IIRC, the states do regulate the investments the insurance companies can make. How restrictive they are I’ve no idea.
SunnyNobility @ 197
” Interesting indeed. Wonder how they are doing with claim settlements. Also, wonder how much all of the insurance companies have in those excellent (ahem) mortgage backed securities. “
I totally forgot Mortgage backed securites were considered safe once. Insuarance companies do tend to invest in safe investments.
Another Katrina really could bankrupt the industry if they have a large exposure to subprime mortgages, or even regular mortgage paper given the rising home foreclosure rates.
Just what is their level of expousre is the question?
Funny 9/11 and Katrina were not quite the crisises the industry made them out to be when they jacked up rates.
The mortgage paper crisis though which they are not talking about may bankrupt them.
My next prediction aided by SunnyNobility’s brillant comment is that the next Katrina level calamity could cripple the insurance industry.
We need numbers what is the REAL expousre of Banks, Hedgefunds the Insurance industry and God knows who else to the decline in value of mortgage paper.
If Bush does a bailout he will only get one shot at it a series of industries collapsing after the first bailout will be a much harder sell.
I think if we freeze home forecloseures for 6 months and freeze the banks expected losses so they don’t show up on their balence sheets for 6 months we might stabilze this problem.
Right now banks foreclose on homes which drives down the value of other homes going on sale right now.
If homeowners in trouble can’t refinance because their home is valued less than they paid for it then thats another foreclosure which drives prices down further.
Which makes the value of the banks remaining mortgages drop.
I know this plan has very little chance of passing, but does anyone else have a better idea.
By better idea I don’t mean Helicopter Ben’s lets drop money out of helicopters on rich people until the problem is solved. Cripes! where does Bush find these people?
” Swiss Reinsurance, the biggest reinsurer in the world, said Monday that it had taken a $1.07 billion write-down for the value of some derivatives, making it the latest casualty of the U.S. subprime crisis that is now spreading beyond lenders and investment banks.
Swiss Re, whose financial-services division is run by Roger Ferguson, a former U.S. Federal Reserve governor, said that it had recorded the losses, which it called “deeply embarrassing,” when it sold two credit-default swaps as protection against declines in the value of investments mainly backed by mortgages.
While some analysts expect large investment banks to announce further write-downs as the credit crisis widens and if recent provisions prove too optimistic, effects on insurance companies had hitherto been seen to be limited because of their usually smaller “exposure to mortgage-backed securities.
The announcement Monday, which came two weeks after the company said that its exposure to problems in the subprime mortgage market remained limited, was especially unsettling for investors, and Swiss Re shares had their biggest price drop since March 2003. “
Did they lift this statement straight from what the banks were all saying a few months ago? Before Citibank and MorganStanley dumped their CEO’s over their expousere to this mess?
http://www.iht.com/articles/20…..insure.php
The Subprime problem is hitting HongKong.
” ‘There will be a selloff today,’ said Howard Gorges, vice chairman at South China Securities.
‘Previously, the feeling was that the first wave of shock from the subrpime crisis would be the worst. We are in that stage where the second wave is still unnerving the market. There will still be losses and writedowns all the way through next year.’
At 10:25 am, the Hang Seng Index was down 980.31 points or 3.5 percent at 26,488.52, the lowest since October 4, when the market closed at 26,973.98.”
“Bank of China, the second-biggest bank on the mainland, had 7.95 billion US dollars worth of securities linked to unpaid subprime housing mortgages as of end-September, while BOC Hong Kong held 9.6 billion dollars.”
http://money.cnn.com/news/news…..103535.htm
Suzanne @ 10
I think this catches the true essence of tweety.
er, not to mention the essence of the afore mentioned codpiece…
…oops, I went too far…
Boy when Greenspan screws up he really screws up!
Europe, China and now Japan, Ayn Rand and Miltion Friedman must be so proud that one of their own is doing such a great job of proving all their ideas wrong.
” Mitsui Sumitomo Insurance Co had a 1.1 billion yen exposure to subprime loans via the underwriting of reinsurance, which had no impact on its first-half results, Mitsui Sumitomo Insurance Co director Katsuaki Ikeda told a press conference.”
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock News/842123/ SunnyNobilty thanks for opening my eyes to this, sell your insurance stocks now FirePups.
Smgumby @ 201
Oh no after all Tweety is the one who wonders if Fred is an Aqua Velva man apparently he does pay attention to how men smell.
We still need total numbers of how big this problem is the HedgeFunds are not reporting their numbers at all!
The Banks are reporting but only when the problem is so big that they feel they have to fire their CEO’s before their investors force them to do it.
The insurance industry is next and they seem to be following the banks earlier pattern of denial for now at least.
Uncertainty about the size of this problem will cause a huge panic once a trigger point is reached. We need a quick sell off of informed sellers not a mad paniced rush to the exit.
Good morning, pups. It’s Bobo and Herbert in the NYT today. Bobo says people have been writing about the fragmentation of American music for decades. But year after year, the segmentation builds. It’s a mystery what Bobo has in mind. It’s not one of his classic mid-life angst pieces. Mr. Herbert writes about “A Swarm of Swindlers” and says like vultures, the mortgage lenders began circling the single-family house with the tiny front lawn on Merrill Avenue. It’s not a pretty story.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and I’ve got bagels and lots of cream cheese. It’s the middle of the work week already! Have a great day.
Good Morning! Marion it’s so nice for someone to read Bobo and to keep us informed of his latest column. The bagel sounds yummy.
“A lawyer, William Spielberger, has taken up Ms. Dailey’s case. He said she and her sister were clear victims of fraud, that the companies pushing loans on them had deliberately inflated their meager incomes on the loan applications, had inflated the value of their property, had imposed unconscionable terms and fees and were fully aware that the two women did not know what they were getting into.”
Marion in Savannah
All loans like this should have their foreclosures stopped right now!Cheating old sick women! If banks are that desperate to make a buck that they have to cheat the weakest members of society then well they SUCK at their jobs.
Monkeys in Business Suits all of them! They think they are smart because they can cheat old women? They should look for another line of work. Their children should wear bags over their heads in shame and change their names!
The only way man has left to evolve is morally, but first we have to do something about the Neanderthals roaming our cities and voting GOP.
The next time I hear about Creation Science I’m pointing out these monkeys as proof that evolution is still occuring…just not fast enough!
Good Morning pups!
ON WASHINGTON JOURNAL
Tuesday, November 20
7am – Newspaper Articles & Viewer Calls
7:30am – Joseph Cirincione, Center for American Progress, Nuclear Policy Director | Article
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9:30am – Newspaper Articles & Viewer Calls
Oh, Lord. I just watched that clip with Jon Stewart interviewing Tweety. “I’m not trashing your book, I’m trashing your philosophy of life.” And Tweety giggled. Oh my. Maybe he really is as stupid as he seems…
Marion in Savannah @ 205
i figure he’s tired of getting smacked down for writing crap by other nyt columnists and is looking for a safe topic. maybe rich will weigh in on this one. *g*
Marion in Savannah @ 209
he didn’t seem to understand what was so wrong with his vapid plan for success, guess cause he’s so vapid
Elliott @ 211
it wouldn’t bother me so much if it didn’t seem to be contagious.
I don’t know if this means anything, but Paul Gray CB, is resigning (flashed at the Beeb), something re; data loss
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/board/index.htm
selise @ 212
He was “awarded” the Gold Medal for Distinguished Achievement from The Pennsylvania Society in 2005. I never understood why, guess it was a chum award. Hmm wonder if Jack Welch had any influence there.
It had to be said, and TRex nails it.
Unctuous, self-loving on Hardball. A total stiff of pretentious balloon pricked when he goes out into the real world.
Word to Tweety: We “country folk” out here in the heartland. You know. Beyond the Beltway and Philly and… well, Pa Goober and I think you suck pig udders.
It had to be said.
Mornin’ all!
Khmer Rouge jailer in court’s first public hearing
Iran says will soon hold talks with U.S. on Iraq
GWB as a baby…
Morning Mika grilling Franny “you da man” Townsend. Franny planting scary seeds while standing by waterboarding. Way to go, Franny. Even WW 2 vets who interrogated enemy combantants–with success–have spoken out against this torture.
Where is her shame?
Morning Mika a solid reporter. But of course facts have a well known bias….
What Toles drew.
Mika’s heart may be in the right place, but I think she’s too passive. I’d love to see Rachael Maddow get a chance to interview Ms. Townsend.
Prairie Sunshine @ 218
I’ve come to think that when people join the GOP, the sign in front says, “Leave your shame at the door”
solai @ 220
Tag team with Keith O?
Have you noticed that the market responds to “perceptions” .. fears… and so forth and has really nothing to do with the value of stocks? It’s all a big game of smoke and mirrors… essentially trading useless perceptions call certificates. Here one day… gone the next. That’s an investment?
SanderO @ 223
Hasn’t been the value of stocks or the quality of the management for a looooong time.
solai @ 220
yep!
And then, of course, there was the time when Mika was commenting on repubs when bully-joe said something like “Mika, I grew up with repubs, talk to them every day and you think YOU know more about what repubs think than I do?” Mika stopped talking. Need someone like Rachael to counter that bull.
I confess. I want Rachel to have her own show. On TV. With a huge audience.
Hello you early pups. Christy has a new thread up.
Pardon me?
I know, I know … but still … ;)
Watching Jon Stewart dismantle Chris Mathews was like watching George and Lennie at the end of Of Mice And Men. Lennie’s prattling along about the rabbits while George palms the revolver.
Just like Lennie, Matthews still doesn’t know what hit him and I think that–like George–Stewart hated to do it, but he had to.
Marion in Savannah @ 205
Rock n’ Roll is Dead, Long Live Rock n’ Roll. Bobo asserts that music today is fragmented. That there are few bands that cross genres, and no place where integrating forms with the traditional African American roots are apparent.
Nostalgia is cheap. Since when was the MSM EVER accomodating of such explorations. In the 1930’s whites sneaking away to listen to jazz in Harlem was enough to get one on government “watch lists”. Blues was so marginalized that it was only “discovered” in the 1950’s by folks like Moses Asch and Alan Lomax. In the 1950’s the attraction of a small minority (mainly those “upper class white college students” Bobo derides) to Black Music genres was so threatening that it was decried as Satanic. They would have burned the records if they had been able to find them! Meanwhile the ORTHODOX was the saccharine Sandra Dee pop song or Mitch Miller. Bland, sterile, soulless versions of R&B were generated by Pat Boone ( who made a fortune while the original writer and performers got pennies for Royalties)
Elvis was such a shock because he actually performed Black music (mainly gospel and R&B based). Again his work was staunchly resisted by those that controlled mainstream media sources, but because he was white he was allowed access to TV and radio, unlike Chuck Berry and Little Richard. But even here playing Black Music could be dangerous. The story of how DJ Alan Freed was brought down is iconic. Everyone took payola, and Freed, who was likely the one that was least involved, was brought down for it simply because he was playing music that was corrupting the youth of America.
It was in Europe where the great cultural admixture occurred…with bands like the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, The Who, early Fleetwood Mac, the Yardbirds, the Kinks and others taking the Blues and R&B that sold better in England than America and adopting it as their own anthems of rebellion against the bureaucratic uniformity that were the limited avenues of successes in post-war Britain.
That’s why, when the Beatles crossed the Atlantic they shocked America. Nice boys in suits playing American Black Music! But any look at a US AM radio playlist in the mid 1960’s will demonstrate just how decidedly “Straight” music actually was then. A few urban “Top 40″ stations in major urban areas might sneak a few artists on that broke the Frank Sinatra, Jim Nabors, Andy Williams mold.
The advent of FM “Underground stations” really broke things open for a few years in the late sixties and early seventies. Nobody listened to, nor made money from FM stations, which allowed them to be used as experimental platforms for a collage of blues, jazz, international, folk, classical and rock music. Again, these were listened to by “college students”. But even these eventually devolved into more regimented formats of heavy rotations and excruciatingly over-produced rock as the commercial FM’s.
Bobo asserts that “indy rock” (which is derived from the Elvis Costello version of punk rock”) lacks any reference to earlier African American traditions. Yawn! Tell that to the White Stripes, or Beck, the Black Crowes, Ani Di Franco, or going back a bit, the Violent Femmes, the Pixies, the Talking Heads. Americana is steeped in the acoustic East Texas and Delta blues tradition and groups certainly understand their roots (it’s sometimes called “roots rock”). The DJ culture also uses the panoply of generations of black artists and not all of these are “gangsta rappers” and black. Bobo should listen perhaps to a guy by the name of DJ Shadow.
It makes me wonder if Brooks has ears enough to hear what is sitting right there in front of him in the music.
And the critique of these “upper class white male college students” who play indie rock is clearly ignorant that most of these folks are not “upper class” (colleges are very different from Bobo’s days in terms of admissions) and the bands are far more gender and race balanced than he might want to believe. And as for education of the type that Little Steven is talking about? Many of these college town musicians do DJ stints or listen to college radio stations that have pretty deep collections of critical artists of the past. And they play them. They are likely more aware of past artists and their diversity that Bobo is of the current diversity and interconnections between the supposedly fragmented genres.
While it’s true that African-American music of one segment of black youth (and some whites…don’t forget Eminem) has diverged significantly from it’s origins, and there seems to be a large chasm between rap and “alternative music” it is bridged by hip hop artists and bands like the Red Hot Chili Peppers. And if you chance to risk going out to the cafes and lower end clubs where you can buy a $2 Pabst in any city in the country you’ll likely see musicians and audience members hopping between shows as diverse as big band, ska, punk, electronica, Americana, Blues, punk, Tex-Mex, psychedelia, Emo, avante-jazz, lounge, rap-metal etc.
Good morning all.
Matthews is a mystery to me. It seems like he memorized some basic formulae incorrectly in elementary school and has somehow managed to thrive anyway. I can sometimes follow him to a point, like 1 3 = 4, and then comes minus 2 = 17.5. But, maybe it’s me.
No– Matthews needs to fire his life coach. Cuz he ain’t got one.
Priceless! Celebrity pundits like Matthews, who do more damage to political discourse in America, need to have their “credibility” destroyed if America is ever to move forward. Sounds like this radio program took a step in doing that.
TRex @ 20
Maybe you could contact DAVE or Mara directly. I’m sure they tape everything. I, for one, would really, really like to hear that whole thing. Did she actually play “Loser” and say it was Tweet’s favorite song? That is priceless.
Jon Stewart did a Hannibal Lecter on Tweety; he served him his own pathetic excuse for a brain, and Tweety was vapidly clueless throughout the meal. If MSNBC doesn’t put Tweety into the farm after this public humiliation, then they are not serious about ratings and making money, and putting Olbermann on is sheer fluke.