Why are we looking at dumb ‘ol science when The Farm Bill and all the Big Piggies at the TFB Trough went on vacation?
Well, I’d like to say there’s a formula to yank the Big Piggies out of the subsidy trough. But I can’t find it in my chemistry books.
[Actually, the formula does exist - but it's called public financing, and it's in the civics section, not the science section.]
But with TFB stalled in the Senate for at least the next few weeks and today being the day the IPCC chose to release their final report, there’s science in the air.
If only the carbon dioxide and methane will move over and make room for it.
Oops – I forgot – that’s our job.
More on that in a bit.
But while TFB’s away, the Lake can play. Let’s slosh off to Valencia, where the oranges are sweet, the sessions are long, and the science is hard.
I’m thirsty already. A taste of things to come?
Now, now, keep your siphon to yourself.
The hard science in Valencia is from the IPCC – the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. With emphasis on Intergovernmental. That’s where the long sessions come in: the final IPCC report is what the world’s governments agree to let into the final report. The scientists fight to keep the science clear – politicos from the Big Burn nations fight to minimize impact of the report on their own governments and sacred chimneys.
Scientists began arriving in Valencia last week to work out a consensus draft before the arrival of the government delegations. Stephen Schneider, a climatologist at Stanford University in California, says that the most-recent draft received 2,000 comments from governments. That compares to 5,000 comments from individual scientists on the previous draft.
Given that the report will contain no new science, the challenge will be to get the scientific community and international governments to agree, paragraph by paragraph, on concise language that lays out the facts without downplaying or overstating the problem at hand.
Even with official filters, the IPCC is urgent.
The BBC observes:
You have a global economy that depends on fossil fuel use.
Our economies grow primarily by increasing fossil fuel use, particularly coal, the most polluting form.
And you have a decade to turn it around without letting economic growth slide away.
This, in a nutshell, is the challenge set by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) synthesis of its 2007 global assessment.
“There is real urgency,” said Bert Metz from the Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency, who co-chaired the IPCC working group on options for mitigating climate change.
“We need to peak emissions within 10 years if we are to keep the global temperature rise to 2C. If we leave it for 25 years, we’re already committed to 3C.”
Handily, [this] IPCC summary also tells you what those temperature rises translate to in terms of impacts:
Two Celsius means about one third of species at risk of extinction, decreased cereal production in the tropics, most coral reefs bleached.
Three Celsius puts millions more people at risk of coastal flooding, decreased cereal production at all latitudes and widespread death of coral reefs.
Depressed?
Nope – they’re probably too cheery:
November 15, 2007 03:00pm
A REPORT by Australian scientists has warned that the world is warming faster than predicted by the United Nations’ top climate change body.
The report, prepared by Dr Graeme Pearman, former head of the CSIRO’s atmospheric research unit, found temperatures and greenhouse pollution were rising faster than forecast by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
The report, prepared for the Climate Institute, noted that the IPCC’s recent Fourth Assessment Report used material published up to mid-2006, but many important new observations had been published since.
“These suggest that the IPCC assessment is underestimating the risks of adverse impacts due to increased warming during this century and that impacts previously considered to be at the upper end of likelihood are now more probable,” the report reads.
“Greenhouse emissions are rising faster than the worst-case IPCC scenarios.”
A review of scientific papers by Graeme Pearman and the Climate Adaptation Science and Policy Initiative at the University of Melbourne has found worst-case scenarios produced by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change may have been too conservative.
Emissions accelerating
Dr Pearman, former head of the CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research, released a report yesterday showing carbon dioxide emissions are accelerating as is the melting of Arctic and Antarctic ice.
He told a Sydney conference organised by the Centre for Economic Development Australia that carbon dioxide emissions growth exceeded IPCC’s most intensive scenarios.
Gases already at dangerous levels
Dr Pearman and the university were asked by the Climate Institute to review papers not included in the latest IPCC reports.
Their report says greenhouse gases are already at a dangerous level and increasing at such an extent they would impact on the Earth’s biogeophysical systems, animals and plants.Dr Pearman said yesterday he did not want to scaremonger but governments were not reacting quickly enough to the situation.
“They talk about climate change being on the radar. But it’s not, it’s right outside the window,” Dr Pearman said.
“It’s already happening. It’s a story we didn’t really want to hear and we don’t have decades to respond.”
[snip]
IPCC projections may also have underestimated sea level rises.
One prediction is for a rise of 0.5m to 1.4m by 2100, much higher than the IPCC expects.
Projected warming of 2C to 3C “could yield sea level rise of several metres per century with eventual rise of tens of metres, enough to transform global coastlines”.
For warming of 3C, we don’t have to go the future. We only have to go to Siberia. Two years ago.
In May this year, another group of researchers reported signs that global warming was damaging the permafrost. Katey Walter of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, told a meeting of the Arctic Research Consortium of the US that her team had found methane hotspots in eastern Siberia. At the hotspots, methane was bubbling to the surface of the permafrost so quickly that it was preventing the surface from freezing over.
[snip]
Western Siberia is heating up faster than anywhere else in the world, having experienced a rise of some 3C in the past 40 years. Scientists are particularly concerned about the permafrost, because as it thaws, it reveals bare ground which warms up more quickly than ice and snow, and so accelerates the rate at which the permafrost thaws.
Siberia’s peat bogs have been producing methane since they formed at the end of the last ice age, but most of the gas had been trapped in the permafrost. According to Larry Smith, a hydrologist at the University of California, Los Angeles, the west Siberian peat bog could hold some 70bn tonnes of methane, a quarter of all of the methane stored in the ground around the world.
The permafrost is likely to take many decades at least to thaw, so the methane locked within it will not be released into the atmosphere in one burst, said Stephen Sitch, a climate scientist at the Met Office’s Hadley Centre in Exeter.
But calculations by Dr Sitch and his colleagues show that even if methane seeped from the permafrost over the next 100 years, it would add around 700m tonnes of carbon into the atmosphere each year, roughly the same amount that is released annually from the world’s wetlands and agriculture.
It would effectively double atmospheric levels of the gas, leading to a 10% to 25% increase in global warming, he said.
What can we do?
Well, we can start by calculating our own carbon “footprints” – the amount of carbon we release into the atmosphere each year.
How do we measure that? If you’re raising livestock, I don’t want to know. But if you’re a vegetarian, your annual carbon footprint just got 1.5 tons lighter.
Fortunately, the folks at Environmental Defense Fund give us all an easy calculator for our carbon footprints (and a link to a more precise calculator). In a week when many of us will fly or take long drives to join our loved ones, the sums may not be so appetizing.
But in a week when human creativity advanced bioremedies and mycoremediation to solve a toxic problem, I’m even hopeful the next decade – looking at oil over $100/bbl – will see a crash program to rework our fossil fuel economy into a sustainable form.
Even in a fossil fuel economy, we in the US can do a lot of trimming:
“High US emissions are partly the result of high living standards but they also reflect differences in government policy. Europeans with comparable living standards emit less than half the power sector CO2 of the average American,” said Nancy Birdsall, one of the report’s authors.
The cheapest kilowatt is the one we never buy – through conservation.
For almost all of us, looking at our own carbon footprints – and sharing creative, affordable strategies to shrink them – will be part of our personal solutions.
Or our world will look like this.
So – after you’ve had a chance at the calculators, come on back to the blog and show us your footprint, baby.
Don’t tell Freud, but I’m hoping mine is smaller than yours.
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KIRK!! I’ve been looking forward to your post.
Hi Laura!
Thnaks. (I never blushed form a zed before.)
Forty one years ago, me and my college friends were screaming about ‘ecology’ and ‘environmental planning’. Those were fairly new terms then. Gawd… it’s frustrating.
Doc! Another meaty post!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 3
Heh, Rachel’s “Silent Spring”?
Checked footprint. 12.5 metric tons for my family of 3 (helps to drive hybrids, and not fly much).
As always a good post Kirk! I have forwarded your Agricultural post to a friend who teaches rural sociology at Iowa State University. She uses it for helping to prepare materials for her graduate courses and her writings. She has many other sources but she likes to see info like yours reaching a wider audience than just aggies.
Most politicians, and perhaps folks, just don’t seem to get it. If we are going to broil or bake to death, nothing else matters. We have to take radical action to save Mother Earth. And us.
CTuttle @ 5
Thankyou for mentioning Rachel Carson. This person is a giant. ;0)
7.5 for me (small car that’s almost 16 years old with just over 120k miles on it)
Wow – thanks AZ Matt – always nice to know when one’s been of help. I’m so glad.
ANd thanks CT – although my meat-free posts would shave 1.5 tons off my footprint.
OK, you and your college friends were right – and those enviro ideas are now the majority values.
Spit!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..s_politics
<5 for me
Here’s another calculator, with more questions:
giving, too, ideas on how to improve.
Mother Earth is crying. And she is breaking my heart.
Dr. Murphy, did Clinton and Gore do anything about this when they were in charge?
We’re at 15,000/year for a family of four. I got a halo!
has anyone ever calculated how much energy would be produced by a small town with every available roof covered in solar panels?
it would have to be roughish,given the different types and costs.
silicon is more expensive than thin film is more expensive than dye solar cells.dye solar s’posed to be 1/5 price of silicon.
thin film is more efficient than silicon is more efficient than dye solar.
silicon and thin film need full sunlight.
dye solar will generate in any light,it can be used as transparent coverings on windows and such and will work in overcast condition.
silicon is available now,as is thin film.
dye solar is in production but commercially very new,though glass building bricks are available here in Aust and were used in show buildings for the Sydney Olympic games.
i haven’t the nous to do the calculations.
Kiddo and I realize we are nothing but idealists. But imagine the tons of pollutants that wouldn’t go into the air if we just shut things down one day per week. Like in the old days.
lahoma
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Yes! Remember how peaceful Sundays were? The only place open in my itty-bitty home town was the liquor store. Think what we’d save if, too, if stores weren’t open 24 hours/day.
may @ 18
There’s even a roof paint in production that will produce solar energy…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
You just nailed it…”Like in the old days.”
Why does everything have to be “Like the new days”….??? New days are only causing us problems. Mind shift needed. Never satisfied.
Well I’m not thinkin about existing on brussels sprouts- but I’d be willing to buy a Prius.
And you thought no on could be worse than Blair:
from americablog
Laura Doty @ 20
The Blue Laws wiki
I
rememberknow why Iwasam a hippie.rwcole @ 23
I saw something while channel surfing in the last couple of days about a man who lives on PB & J on wheat sandwiches. All he eats. Every meal every day.
Thich Nhat Hnah once said: “Throwing away the plastic bag, I am aware I am throwing away the plastic bag.” (And no, it’s for reals, not satirical). Recalling that quote and remembering that I hate this war for oil helps me make many a pro-earth decision, whether that’s to ride my bike/skip a store run for small, not really needed things, turn off/unplug things…all the little obsessive details that really add up.
eCAHNomics @ 24
Evening all. I am betting that Bush taught him that trick.
dakine01 @ 27
I once knew a 5 yr old like that.
eCAHNomics @ 24
Ignore these morons….they know nothing….it just never ends…I guess that is the truth..it never ends….they need to be ignored as creditable humans…no more questions, just flat out ignore them and press on….Brown who?????
My score is 11.9 tons which I think is high since my electricity is 100 percent hydroelectric in origin and I used wood for heat and I use far less gasoline/oil than the survey will let me enter.
TexBetsy @ 30
I WAS the five year old. Well except I was white bread and mayo as frequently as the jelly but the PB was a constant.
Sandman, Clinton attempted a BTU tax.
From my read of the eco-economists, that’s a fairly good tool for curbing carbon-intensive activity. The BTU tax can be used to capture the externalities of fossil fuel use: global warming, increased death and disease from diesel particulates…etc.
Oh – and war – or a portion thereof. The planet’s largest sinngle user of petroleum is ta-da:
The Pentagon.
Where – save for blowing up the world – the biggest long-term mission is hogging the oil.
So we have enough to keep sending ships and troops to hog, it, I guess.
In any event, I digress.
Clinton’s carbon tax plan was killed by astroturf groups paid for by Big Oil and Big Coal.
Clinton’s ultimate surrender on the carbon plan severely damaged his relationship with Congressional Dems.
And the PR firm that ran it all for Big Oil?
Burson-Marsteller: the same firm where Hillary’s chief strategist just happens to work.
As the boss.
If Hills wins, we’re cooked.
OT-
Rove’s first Newsweek column. How to Beat Hillary (Next) November
http://www.newsweek.com/id/71000/page/1
dakine01 @ 27
———–
i swear when iwas a kid ,for years that is all i would eat!
TexBetsy @ 29
Howdy, Ma’am! But, Blair was Shrub’s poodle…
Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 34
it is beyond outrageous,our countrys killing us all slowly
Wow ES – that does seem high. The formulas need to show you some love.
It’s all “our” fault…Not!!!
Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 34
Kirk;
When determining ‘our’ personal ‘footprints’ in the sands of time, should we include our ‘personal share’
of every military-jet excursion, every national ‘adventure’s’ energy cost and every
mile driven in the name of Homeland security, or may we consider them to be merely ‘externalities’ which we presonally, as conscientious souls, need not ‘factor in’?
Our family of four, which travels a lot – both by air and car – burns about 55 tons a year. JFC!!!
I got a halo! Been a long time since that happened. ;)
eCAHNomics @ 24
too late she cried as she waved her wooden leg.
the horse has bolted.
the cat is out of the bag
and all that.
there is money in alternatives.
wind,water,wave,solar,etc.
30 or so years of pushing against the tide.
the price and cost of oil and coal held them back.
not any longer.
the situation now is analogous to the introduction of the horseless carraige
in 1907 any one who invested in breeding stock,new horse shoe technology and agistment would,on the surface be doing the right thing.
laughing at those fools and their dreams of rockoil.
Is Hillary Clinton a candidate that an environmentalist like myself can “warm” to?
David, no matter what my values are, those expenditures are all associated with our overseas petrol addiction.
I’ve assumed that environmental defense factored them into personal useage (the further I drive, the more blood I spill) – but now that you ask your thoughtful question, I don’t know.
Ed*ard Teller @ 42
Living in Alaska, isn’t air travel the most practical sometimes? Or the only way at times…
The biggest offset to global warming will be the ongoing global/systemic financial meltdown, imho. Can’t go shopping for useless junk without the credit cards, eh?
Ironic that it is exactly what BusChen was trying to avoid with the anti-conservation rhetoric.
Too bad it had to happen this way. Humans never really had control of their destiny.
Ever. We’re lucky to be alive. Miraculous, I’d say.
Rove is lurking. Don’t believe what you think you see, believe what you know you know. Now, they are fucking with Obama…whatever happens don’t let go of truth…Beware of everything you hear.
Rove is intent on destroying the outcome of the elections… Beware! Beware!
Air travel just kills on carbon use. I live alone (knda bad) but only drive average miles. The trips home to LA put me at almost 15 tons.
Crap.
I am at about 47 tons. I have a 1997 Ford F-150 that get 19 to the gallon and I average about 38,000 miles a year. I know this because it is 10 years old now and it has 385,000 miles on it. I use it for work and personal use and every place is far from here.
Lahoma and I drive less then 50 miles per week. We are lucky.
neokneme @ 48
Now that insight IS acknowledging the real
’shock and awe’ of being alive.
Standing ovation. Well spoken!!!
eCAHNomics @ 35
He’s advising the republican candidate to behave exactly the opposite way Bush/Cheney/Rove have behaved. Or telling them in dog whistle to pretend to be a democrat:
Go after people who aren’t traditional Republicans. Aggressively campaign for the votes of America’s minorities. Go to their communities, listen and learn, demonstrate your engagement and emphasize how your message can provide hope and access to the American Dream for all. The GOP candidate must ask for the vote in every part of the electorate. He needs to do better among minorities, and be seen as trying.
What a sleeze.
TheOtherWA @ 47
We fly to the lower 48 or to other countries mostly. I’ve been travelling by air more in Alaska this year than in a decade.
We do not see any ‘enviro’ presidential candidates for 2008.
DWB @ 53 That’s two checks I owe you. Dayam, I’m goin’ broke!
The most pressing issue is the envoronment. And the best we Democrats can come up with is Hillary?
One thing the calcualtions bring up is the lethal cost of trashing train, bus, and suburburban trolley systems – especially in rural areas and the Mountain West.
George Monbiot is the best writer I know on climate issues. IN his book Heat he describes how redirection of the subsidies currently lavished on passenger vehicles could regereate all these transport forms.
But people in rural areas will still need to drive, and oftern long distances.
Shorter, find more gullible people and apply fancy new lies with empty promises.
Loo Hoo. @ 54
do you think karl;s op ed was a plug for a new job? he has to miss the white house power center. does a guy like that actually have to let repub candidates know he’s “available”. sounds kinda cheezy doesn’t it. yeah, that fits.
Monbiot is good.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 56
so, not dennis k or anyone else?
For those who are more used to the volume on Hardball than in scientific documents:
The IPCC report is what it sounds like when scientists are screaming at the top of their lungs.
i hardly every go anywhere. the hermit lifestyle is paying off!
Loo Hoo. @ 54
Although, Turd Blossom is a sleeze bag, I wouldn’t fault that advice… Now, when the leather hits the pavement, that BS would be soundly rejected by those Minorities…
TheOtherWA @ 43
Me too. Big factor is – I don’t own a vehicle and don’t travel much. I have no idea though how much it takes to heat my apartment – I don’t pay that myself, so there is stuff missing too.
Also – the calculator does not take into account how the electricity you use is generated – hydro in my case with I assume involves fewer emissions than some other types of generation. And there is not way of calculating my use of public transportation.
So the final answer – I haven’t a clue.
neokneme @ 57
Balderdash!!!!
Look…if everybody feels individually “guilty” they win.
The huge industries that create the pollution are the main problem, plus the dependency on oil of individuals.
The Rovians, count on the guilt of the opposition, as a distraction from their corporate crimes against humanity.
Don’t get side-tracked. Yes, a brick in your toilet can help, that is an old tactic.
Don’t buy into the idea that “we” as individuals are the major problem instead of the large factories, etc., the emit the huge emissions that are affecting the planet. Deal with the major polluters first and their affect on the environment first. We, as individuals, can all make a difference (and we should), but without the factories, etc., being held accountable for their “excused” regulations..all will be for naught.
The first calculator told me 7.5 tons. Second one about 3.5 tons. Not much allowance for people who do things differently.
Ouch 12 tons at Earthlab.
BetterLess bad, but still a bummer.I think we’d be better off devoting our efforts to getting industry to be more environmentally responsible, particularly in countries like India, Mexico & Malaysia.
kittykitty @ 63
Actually, if I had my way, Kucinich would be our next president. Since it doesn’t look like President Gore is a possibility.
LS @ 69
Except that we buy the stuff made in those factories – so our consumption is not irrelevant here. Even if factories cleaned up in terms of pollution, there is no way they can make stuff without using huge amounts of energy.
kitty kitty, no republican would dare touch Rove now (on the record). Justice is a calling. I can’t believe Newsweek hired him.
eCAHNomics @ 35
I canceled my Newsweek subscription (subscriber for >20 years) because they hired Rove, and I won’t read his s**t online, either. Too bad there probably won’t be a lot of folks joining me…it might make a statement. There’s not enough brain bleach to clean his drivel.
MsMolly I feel the same, but no subscription to cancel.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 73
*sigh* As much as I would like either to win the Presidency, I feel it’ll be a cold day in…
Thanks, Prof.
LS – in a nation effectively under corporatist rule, I agree the corps are huge problem and will be lethal if not brought under control, but I would not agree the two goals are mutually exclusive.
70% of US economic demand is from the consumer sector: much of that is discretionary purchases (not food/housing/basic clothing/basic vehicles/education/health).
The 4% of the planet that live in the US consume 25% of the globe’s energy – even small hits in US consumer activity could save huge carbon outputs.
I have no intentions of reading anything Rove writes. But this Democrat intends not to vote for HRC in the primaries.
LS @ 69
yes.
doing the right thing individually
en masse will not preclude mass suffering if the large scale polluters are not reined in.
which is not to say that mass involvement is ineffectual.
little things add up.
Loo Hoo. @ 75
But Hillary and Bill have rubbed shoulders with the Bush characters on many ocassions.
environment is my biggest concern, has been for 4 decades. Calculator told me 7.7 tons … blergh. I recycle and compost religiously, to the point of training coworkers to bring me their banana peels, apple cores, etc so i can bring them home. I eat very little meat, try to buy local and at coops whenever possible.
I wish i had the power to outlaw all lawn chemicals. Wherever i live i start digging up the yard and putting in prairie wildflowers and grasses for Life. Supply biodiversity wherever possible.
Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 71
Did you notice the ECP score? Mine is 385, whatever that means.
This is exactly how Bush campaigned. It’s not what he did after getting in office, but that was his campaign. Rove wants to see how many people can be fooled again.
Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 79
I’ve seen this rodeo before…if it is our
“individual” fault…that somehow defuses the accountability which actually rests with the large emitters of polution on a grander scale. We as individuals, can make a huge difference, but if the big polluters like, Southern Energy, are left free to pollute the way they do…what we do as individuals is chickenfeed. The large polluters need to be brought into serious control. That is my point.
Think Progress.
Wow, can you believe it’s been two years since Murtha spoke out? How many people and how much money would have been saved if we had ended it then?
Today marks two years from the day that Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) boldly called for a timetable for redeployment of U.S. forces out of Iraq. “The war in Iraq is not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion,” Murtha said, adding that his call for withdrawal was motivated by deep concern for the state of the military:
And…how much less pollution would there be?
My passion for the subject overcame politeness, i should have thanked Kirk first for an excellent post.
LS @ 69
Not exactly true. Residential use of electricity is somewhat larger than the other sectors (manufacturing and commercial). Transportation uses more than 25% of oil, but I’ve never seen that broken out by personal vs goods.
Your typical suburban house with Sears appliances is a horrible energy waste.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 82
Bush invites Gore to White House Nobel ceremony
Should Gore boycott this? It is not a win-win.
ndf, with my carbon footprint, no one ought to thank me…..
TheOtherWA @ 85
Yes! Won’t get fooled again…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zydAs5bRW1U
GordonM @ 89
It is easier and more efficient to bring the large corporate polluters under some kind of control, than to try to put out campfires first. The individual polluter “footprint” needs to be dealt with after the larger polluters are compelled to abide by pollution regulations.
If the next president thinks he or she can triangulate on the issue of environmentalism, that president will be mistaken.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 3
Yeah, my parents were into this back when, so I’ve heard about this all my life. I cannot believe that only *now* are things beginning to move, to coalesce… sigh.
Hey, all! I’ll be here, off and on (Dr Who distractions ;-) ) for the evening.
neokneme @ 90
Gore is much smarter than I am. Obviously. ;0)
Hey, PB!
LS, I agree that the corporations need to lead in the fight for our planet. I’m also enjoying the google treasure hunt you listed downthread.
Saudi Princes
falcon hunting
Bin Laden
LS @ 93
If the demand goes down, they have no excuse to be building yet more dirty coal power plants or postponing cleaning up the current ones. Create 100W less demand in your house, and that’s around 140W worth of coal they won’t burn.
I’m 10.1 tons
Oklahoma kiddo @ 96
He could suddenly develop a sore throat such as the shortly to file for divorce, First Lady of France…when invited to the Maine WH.
Elliott @ 100
I don’t feel that heavy
Loo Hoo. @ 97
Hey you! Whassup? I feel like I keep missin’ y’all!
OKK, your succinctness is exceeded only by your wisdom. “~}
Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 79
and this is where the power to effect real change comes from tomorrow. how do we get people to just stop buying stuff? and i was thinking today about making alist of US companies who still make their stuff here, top to bottom. i know there are some. why can’t we get people who want change and are pissed to boycott buying. uhoh, just remembered the national strike idea again.hmmm.
TexBetsy @ 72
these countries would have a rather sharp riposte to that.
we occupy the same planet so
think global act local.
buy local as much as possible.
we are light years ahead of where we were when the think global act local saying started.
unfortunately the environmental devastation has proceeded apace as well.
fortunately the communications revolution has kept up.
it’s going to be a bludy close run thing.
countries such as ours with ridiculous energy expenditure compared with the rest of the world can’t really lecture without taking a good hard look at our own hearth.
may @ 106
agreed. we need more public transportation, better urban & suburban planning, more energy efficient cars, etc. AND, they need to at least start on the basics of energy responsibility. it’s a WE kind of a thing.
12.3 for my family of three. 80 percent is from car use. Blech. I am aware, every single time I get in my car, that I am cruising quickly across a dying planet.
I live rurally, and am really cutting down on car usage. I go without, double and triple up on errands. But rural people don’t have to drive more – only if they have tucked out in the sticks with the plan of commuting to a job. Time for that is over. Work where you live. Live where you work.
9.5 for us … my company offsets all of our business travel.
And I offset that for $10 a month through Native Energy. Invested in building wind turbines so it also adds renewable capacity … and they are good folks.
may @ 106
Buy Local, is a worthy proposition, I buy as much from my local Farmer’s Market as I can! A 100 mile radius is doable…
Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 91
for making people think, and for giving such wonderful links, yes, you deserve thanks. I attended a lecture once by an Eastern guru, in response to a question, he said “you cannot change until there is awareness that there is a problem. So becoming aware is the biggest step.”
I esp. loved the link to the mycologist. I love little beasties like fungi, they make my compost bins places of amazing transformation.
On a lighter note, why did the girl mushroom like the boy mushroom? Cuz he was a fun guy (ducks)
You can skip Rover’s colostomy, I mean “column,” and go straight to the comments (really no reason to read…exactly what you’d expect). He’s not being received very well.
Let Newsweak know what you think here.
Do we recycle cars and trucks? I don’t see the boneyards I used to see, but maybe they’re just moved.
ndf, I giggled so hard it wiggled my cilia
Elliott @ 102
You ain’t heavy, you’re my Sistah.. *g*
CTuttle @ 110
On an island that’s, what, 20 miles across?
Ummm, yummmy lava…
TexBetsy @ 107
I think our society is still a “me” society, not “we” society….that won’t change until something else changes…what is changing right now is the ability to purchase luxury items, on credit,….that is going to change things…and we will endure a cycle of revolt (what do you mean I can’t buy that!!!, I want it!!! Now!!), etc., ….it is just around the corner…JMHO
Loo Hoo. @ 113
crushed and sent to china for recycling by people who breathe noxious fumes all day.
Loo Hoo. @ 113
My nephew recycles many of them one or two parts at a time.
Loo Hoo, one of themost interesting EU enviro regs requires all consumer goods (including vhicles, IIRC) to be recyclable.
If GM can do it over there…
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LOL, TexBetsy!
So this week my car was in for major repairs. Had to take it to the dealer, they had it for a week. A horrific bill. All this time I’m thinking – I have got to stop driving. Period.
My husband is saying – You should trade it in. But I don’t want a new car. The only way I would consider a new car at this point is if it is a hybrid.
So, I go to pick my car up today. I wander into the showroom, just to see. What are the hybrids going for? I go up to a vehicle – the sticker on the window says “22 mpg” highway I guess. !!!
Can this be? Car manufacturers are still turning out vehicles that get this kind of mileage? Are they from the twilight zone? No wonder everyone is driving a Japanese import.
Our love affair with the automobile needs a divorce.
carolyn urban @ 121
The Model T got 25 mpg.
GordonM @ 116
Whoa Nelly! I live on the largest rock on Earth, from the sea floor we top Everest by 10,000 feet, 125 miles long and 85 miles wide, we’re the Big Isle…
Eureka Springs @ 115
aww shucks and stuff, Brother Springs
CTuttle @ 123
Never realized it was that big. But on my visit to Kona, I learned one make a peanut butter sandwich with a certain mushroom (much less potent than it’s Mexican cousin, but still…)
I was just up in Toronto at a meeting with a 150 Canadian companies – all sorting out how to decrease their carbon footprints. It was very neat – and they are really working at this.
For many Canadian companies, it’s a big challenge – forestry, oil sands, etc but they are working together trying to find answers.
If they can do it, so can we …
Hi* Siun!
(*or should that be “eh”?)
ducks
GordonM @ 125
Heh, ya never took a ‘trip’ around it, eh? ;-)
Siun @ 126
Hi Siun,
It’s a disgrace, a national disgrace, that we are not at the forefront of this.
We certainly can do it.
eh, hey! Kirk!
I wanna come back to SF and visit some more!
and I am so glad you are doing these posts – they are so important!
We got a halo for a family of four. I suspect it has to do with me being a bike commuter.
Like many, before I started I said I could never do that since I have to move equipment around. Got a baby trailer for the bike, collapsable baskets, a nice backpack and voila, I can do it after all! Plus, now have the strongest legs of my life, even more than my younger days.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
Elliot – in my work I see what both US and Canadian companies are doing and I cannot tell you how big an issue this is for them …
its very important to me that we also – individually – do what we can – decrease, recycle, offset … and push congress!
A number of years ago i bought myself a nice little reel mower at the local hardware (avoid big box stores!). A very portly customer sneered, “i didn’t know they still made those things. I have a blah blah blah (insert gas-hog riding lawnmower specs here).”
bitch that i am, i snapped back “you should trade it in for one of these, fat as you are you really need the exercise.” Sigh. Honey attracts more flies than vinegar, but who wants to attract flies? Squish ‘em, i say.
newdealfarmgrrl,
I feel the same way about lawn chemicals and for that matter, lawns.
I’m enlarging the flower garden and scrubbing out the lawn little by little.
Our household is at 13.1 tons; I bet it’s more but that is from the rough estimate.
Margot @ 134
Bravo! (ndfg hands margot an echinacea)
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 133
A tart tongue, Ma’am! F*ck the Jones… ;-)
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 135
Ooh, those are pretty,thanks!
Margot @ 134
Trying to do that, too…
ndfg, I love it!
siun – please come on back and play soon…
and bonkers – you inspire me. this is adumb question – but…I live in the Bay Area with all the wonky cyclists.
I can’t seem to find an “old-fashioned” (dag nabit) bike seat with springs.
All I can find are variants on acrylic saddles with different forms of anterior dildos.
[I have no butt, so acrylic saddles aren’t appealing. If I wanted a dildo, I’d go to Good Vibrations.]
If you or anyone here has ideas about bike seats, I’d love to get my flabby butless self on a bike.
Apologies for the midnight snacks just slain by that image.
Such a senseless waste of human appetite.
Thers upstairs with wingnut crap of the week
LATE NITE
hmmmm …. flabby? you? ha!
I’ll ask my son about bike seats – I know a while back he did a whole lotta research on options since he uses a bike for all his travel and with his fibro, he is serious about comfort.
Siun @ 109
We like the word “native”. ;0)
expanding gardens is so essential, imho. Climate change is real. I choose to help other species survive by planting native plants whenever possible, plus attractors such as parsley. Swallowtail butterflies love parsley. Islands of biodiversity.
OK Kiddo – Native Energy “helps build projects that create sustainable economic benefits for Native Americans, Alaska Native Villages and other local communities, and that help family farmers compete with agribusiness.”
http://www.nativeenergy.com/projects.html
peanutbutter @ 138
hi PB
have you ever tried mixing your garden?
putting the herbs and flowers together with the veges?
chives and garlic under the roses.climbing beans on the frame with
those really high dahlias and leaf lettuce underneath.rosemary bushes and larkspur and poppies all mixed in.
the marigolds and brassicas and thymes.
for cropping,keeping types separate is more convenient but for day to day use all mixed up is easier.
as individual plants reach the end they are replaced and spot mulching works well.mixed up also means less insect damage because conditions are better for predators and plants are healthier (happier?)next to companions.(some don’t like each other though.beans and onions are a no no and never put fennel any where near rue)it’s fascinating and can be outrageously beatiful.
Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 139
This is a fairly common topic amongst bikers and those interested in starting. Many think that the springy ones will be the most comfortable, but this is often not the case, especially if you might be doing longer distances at some point (not marathons…just maybe a lot of errands around the City
The other “old-fashioneds,” the leather saddles are often the preferred choice of other commuters I’ve know (I’m just a commuter, so know nothing about high-performace racing seats). Like any seat, there will be a breaking-in phase, so be sure to take it easy at first.
Actually, I’ve had people very sternly warn me about the spingy seat come to think of it. Apparently they’re only for very casual riders, since the edge of the digs into the back of your butt/legs.
This is a decent link for more info.
Good luck with it! It seems really hard at first, but you get used to it and after a while, you can’t imagine not riding.
bonkers, thanks for the link, the broader view (no snark intended) and the encouragement to resume.
The change required is not in fine-tuning, we must rethink everything that we do and believe. We, in the United States, have built a life-style of conspicuous consumption of things that we really so not need and that are highly responsible for the deterioration of our social structure. Now the rest of the world wants a version of what we have.
You mention the farm bill and public financing. The best way for the public to finance foods that are healthy is to buy them, locally. We bought into a whole system that took us out of the home and involvement in the day to day process of living. Take a look at how much of your life you depend upon someone else to provide. Who knows what Tyson puts into our food? It is our responsibility to know but we put someone else in charge.
I grew up in the 50’s. My Dad had a feed store. Many of his customers did not always have money to pay for feed for their livestock. (Credit was not ubiquitous then) My father did extend credit, but most people wanted to pay for what they got, so they bartered. We had fresh vegetables, chickens that we ate, and we kept some and ate their eggs. Often we got a calf that my Dad finished raising and we had them slaughtered at the local butcher.
Complete localization is not completely realistic, but we need to examine what can be. Farmers Markets are growing and thriving all over the country.
We do not need five Televisions in one house. In fact we really need only about 1/3 of all we consume. We have lost the connection with other people and we buy and eat to compensate.
Electric cars and soon solar cars are good enough. If there is a long trip to be made we need mass transit. Do we really need to freedom to just up and go at the cost of our existence? The planet will be fine. It will just get rid of the virus that is making it sick – us
I doubt we have 10 years. A lot of us will die as well as the other species. Those who survive, if there are any, will be forced to do so in a very basic way. I am trying to teach everyone I know how to do basic things – like feeding yourself.
Modification is not enough, rebuilding is required.
Roy, I couldn’t agree with you more (ecxcepr perhaps on the timeframe for massive human mortality). As it is, with 2 C a certainty unless we radically decrease our carbon footprints over the decade, we’re looking at losing 1 in 3 species.
One third of the biosphere’s residents destroyed – unless we crash our carbon footprints over the next decade.
I hope you are right. The ability for people to be rational is hindered by their ability to rationalize.
My fear is not so much what the environment will do to us – and that is bad enough – it is what we will do to us. In our history has disease and famine had much greater power to destroy than we do?
To be honest I am not too hopeful, but never give up. I was in Viet Nam in 68. I thought we had finally learned our lesson on the use of force to obtain political objectives. Then here comes “I’m too important to go to war” George W Bush, and slaps another tar-baby.
How many of our own to we have to kill before we learn?
The Stock Market – the least of our current worries – has become a place where men are trying to turn lead into gold. Futures and derivatives are nothing but an attempt to defy a financial gravity.
Then there is our environment. We just don’t get it that this is not our earth, it belongs to all generations. If God does exist and creationism is real, God gave man dominion over the earth, not dictatorship. The Religious Right brays about the ten commandment, yet does not even honor the Father God to whom they pray to enough to protect that which they believe he created.
I am not giving up, but if past is prologue, the third act is going to be a bitch.(and I do not mean Hillary.)