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	<title>Comments on: Come Saturday Morning: Rudy and the Vixens</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/17/come-saturday-morning-rudy-and-the-vixens/#comment-1102669</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1102228&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;eCAHNomics @ 87&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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Funny thing about this. I live in NYC, and hated G from the getgo, but I never saw him as the ideologue that Greenwald paints him. Now you can’t deny his words, but they don’t seem to fit the man &lt;strike&gt;I lived (with?/under?) &lt;/strike&gt; who was my mayor for 8 years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suspect the circled is squared as follows:&lt;br /&gt;
… He thinks that extremism is the fast track to the WH.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Therefore, his words seem inconsistent with his prior utterances, which is why he gets away with a reputation as a non-ideologist, which he was in the past. The link is lack of knowledge &amp; willingness to do anything to become prez.
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&lt;p&gt;Sounds just like McCain or Romney, or anybody trying to get the Wingnut brigade’s vote.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1102228"><em>eCAHNomics @ 87</em></a></p>
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Funny thing about this. I live in NYC, and hated G from the getgo, but I never saw him as the ideologue that Greenwald paints him. Now you can’t deny his words, but they don’t seem to fit the man <strike>I lived (with?/under?) </strike> who was my mayor for 8 years.</p>
<p>I suspect the circled is squared as follows:<br />
… He thinks that extremism is the fast track to the WH.</p>
<p>Therefore, his words seem inconsistent with his prior utterances, which is why he gets away with a reputation as a non-ideologist, which he was in the past. The link is lack of knowledge &amp; willingness to do anything to become prez.
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<p>Sounds just like McCain or Romney, or anybody trying to get the Wingnut brigade’s vote.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/17/come-saturday-morning-rudy-and-the-vixens/#comment-1102659</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1102161&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sandman @ 22&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;To me Rudy seems like the dumbist guy in the world to run for President.  Bernie Kerik is going to be on trial next year. Strike One.  The NY Fire Department is totally against Rudy.  Strike Two.  Three wives. Strike Three.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He’s there primarily to challenge for New York if Hillary gets the Dem nomination. It’s a favorite Rovian/Bushie tactic to try and take their opponent’s home state. They got Tennessee vs. Gore and just about went out of their minds with joy. Crazy guys.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1102161"><em>Sandman @ 22</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>To me Rudy seems like the dumbist guy in the world to run for President.  Bernie Kerik is going to be on trial next year. Strike One.  The NY Fire Department is totally against Rudy.  Strike Two.  Three wives. Strike Three.</p>
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<p>He’s there primarily to challenge for New York if Hillary gets the Dem nomination. It’s a favorite Rovian/Bushie tactic to try and take their opponent’s home state. They got Tennessee vs. Gore and just about went out of their minds with joy. Crazy guys.</p>
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		<title>By: ralphbon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/17/come-saturday-morning-rudy-and-the-vixens/#comment-1102617</link>
		<dc:creator>ralphbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1102488&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 228&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;thank god thank god thank god. can’t we all just say thank god for this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israel’s economic blockade stops Gaza’s strawberry-farmers selling their crop : The 8,000 families employed in Gaza’s production of strawberries, cherry tomatoes and carnations, the bumper crop of which has already started to be destroyed instead of being sent to the Dutch auction houses for which it was planted, will lose their modest income&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Somewhere along the line, “Never Again” devolved to merely “Never &lt;em&gt;Us &lt;/em&gt;Again.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1102488"><em>Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 228</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>thank god thank god thank god. can’t we all just say thank god for this?</p>
<p>Israel’s economic blockade stops Gaza’s strawberry-farmers selling their crop : The 8,000 families employed in Gaza’s production of strawberries, cherry tomatoes and carnations, the bumper crop of which has already started to be destroyed instead of being sent to the Dutch auction houses for which it was planted, will lose their modest income</p>
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<p>Somewhere along the line, “Never Again” devolved to merely “Never <em>Us </em>Again.”</p>
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		<title>By: LetterMan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/17/come-saturday-morning-rudy-and-the-vixens/#comment-1102527</link>
		<dc:creator>LetterMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, as I like to think, the Reich-wingers might be a little uncomfortable voting for Rudy, so perhaps we could encourage them to sing &lt;a href=&quot;http://tabletalk.salon.com/webx?14@@.eec6c36/1708&quot;&gt;this song&lt;/a&gt; before they go and vote for him next November.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who knows?  Perhaps some of them will stay home rather than vote for Herr Guliani.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as I like to think, the Reich-wingers might be a little uncomfortable voting for Rudy, so perhaps we could encourage them to sing <a href="http://tabletalk.salon.com/webx?14@@.eec6c36/1708">this song</a> before they go and vote for him next November.</p>
<p>Who knows?  Perhaps some of them will stay home rather than vote for Herr Guliani.</p>
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		<title>By: Mabel&#8217;s Wig Shack</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/17/come-saturday-morning-rudy-and-the-vixens/#comment-1102488</link>
		<dc:creator>Mabel&#8217;s Wig Shack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thank god thank god thank god. can’t we all just say thank god for this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israel’s economic blockade stops Gaza’s strawberry-farmers selling their crop : The 8,000 families employed in Gaza’s production of strawberries, cherry tomatoes and carnations, the bumper crop of which has already started to be destroyed instead of being sent to the Dutch auction houses for which it was planted, will lose their modest income&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank god thank god thank god. can’t we all just say thank god for this?</p>
<p>Israel’s economic blockade stops Gaza’s strawberry-farmers selling their crop : The 8,000 families employed in Gaza’s production of strawberries, cherry tomatoes and carnations, the bumper crop of which has already started to be destroyed instead of being sent to the Dutch auction houses for which it was planted, will lose their modest income</p>
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		<title>By: Mabel&#8217;s Wig Shack</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/17/come-saturday-morning-rudy-and-the-vixens/#comment-1102460</link>
		<dc:creator>Mabel&#8217;s Wig Shack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fieldmarshall hillary might even ‘oops’ up in iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;wouldn’t surprise me in the least.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fieldmarshall hillary might even ‘oops’ up in iran.</p>
<p>wouldn’t surprise me in the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Mabel&#8217;s Wig Shack</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/17/come-saturday-morning-rudy-and-the-vixens/#comment-1102458</link>
		<dc:creator>Mabel&#8217;s Wig Shack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1102379&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Phoenix Woman @ 225&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1102358&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ralphbon @ 211&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;On top of all the really good reasons to oppose Hillary Clinton (eg, her refusal to renounce her AUMF vote and then, proving she learned NOTHING from that mistake, voting for Kyl-Lieberman), here’s a key one: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Should Ghouliani get the GOP nod, Hillary will be constrained from clubbing him repeatedly around the head and neck over Bernard Kerik, because she herself cheered Kerik’s nomination for DHS head. The best she’ll be able to do regarding Kerik is another lame “if I knew then what I know now” song. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need a nominee who (among many more important things, like not being a neocon stooge) will be in a position to “Kerik” Rudy relentlessly and with unbridled ferocity.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Holy buckets — &lt;a href=&quot;http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2007/11/blast_from_the_past_hillarys_r.html&quot;&gt;you’re right&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;When Rudy Giuliani’s pal Bernard Kerik was nominated for homeland-security secretary by President George W. Bush, Sen. Hillary Clinton said: “Bernard Kerik knows firsthand the challenges and needs of New York and other high-threat areas. As a member of the president’s cabinet, he can make that case every single day.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ooooops!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;oops is right.&lt;br /&gt;
as in ‘oops silly me slipped on the floor I just sprayed with a quickly freezing substance commonly known as b.s.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1102379"><em>Phoenix Woman @ 225</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1102358"><em>ralphbon @ 211</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>On top of all the really good reasons to oppose Hillary Clinton (eg, her refusal to renounce her AUMF vote and then, proving she learned NOTHING from that mistake, voting for Kyl-Lieberman), here’s a key one: </p>
<p>Should Ghouliani get the GOP nod, Hillary will be constrained from clubbing him repeatedly around the head and neck over Bernard Kerik, because she herself cheered Kerik’s nomination for DHS head. The best she’ll be able to do regarding Kerik is another lame “if I knew then what I know now” song. </p>
<p>We need a nominee who (among many more important things, like not being a neocon stooge) will be in a position to “Kerik” Rudy relentlessly and with unbridled ferocity.</p>
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<p>Holy buckets — <a href="http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2007/11/blast_from_the_past_hillarys_r.html">you’re right</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>When Rudy Giuliani’s pal Bernard Kerik was nominated for homeland-security secretary by President George W. Bush, Sen. Hillary Clinton said: “Bernard Kerik knows firsthand the challenges and needs of New York and other high-threat areas. As a member of the president’s cabinet, he can make that case every single day.”</p>
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<p>Ooooops!</p>
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<p>oops is right.<br />
as in ‘oops silly me slipped on the floor I just sprayed with a quickly freezing substance commonly known as b.s.”</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1102358&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ralphbon @ 211&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;On top of all the really good reasons to oppose Hillary Clinton (eg, her refusal to renounce her AUMF vote and then, proving she learned NOTHING from that mistake, voting for Kyl-Lieberman), here’s a key one: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Should Ghouliani get the GOP nod, Hillary will be constrained from clubbing him repeatedly around the head and neck over Bernard Kerik, because she herself cheered Kerik’s nomination for DHS head. The best she’ll be able to do regarding Kerik is another lame “if I knew then what I know now” song. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need a nominee who (among many more important things, like not being a neocon stooge) will be in a position to “Kerik” Rudy relentlessly and with unbridled ferocity.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Holy buckets — &lt;a href=&quot;http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2007/11/blast_from_the_past_hillarys_r.html&quot;&gt;you’re right&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;When Rudy Giuliani’s pal Bernard Kerik was nominated for homeland-security secretary by President George W. Bush, Sen. Hillary Clinton said: “Bernard Kerik knows firsthand the challenges and needs of New York and other high-threat areas. As a member of the president’s cabinet, he can make that case every single day.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ooooops!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1102358"><em>ralphbon @ 211</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>On top of all the really good reasons to oppose Hillary Clinton (eg, her refusal to renounce her AUMF vote and then, proving she learned NOTHING from that mistake, voting for Kyl-Lieberman), here’s a key one: </p>
<p>Should Ghouliani get the GOP nod, Hillary will be constrained from clubbing him repeatedly around the head and neck over Bernard Kerik, because she herself cheered Kerik’s nomination for DHS head. The best she’ll be able to do regarding Kerik is another lame “if I knew then what I know now” song. </p>
<p>We need a nominee who (among many more important things, like not being a neocon stooge) will be in a position to “Kerik” Rudy relentlessly and with unbridled ferocity.</p>
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<p>Holy buckets — <a href="http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2007/11/blast_from_the_past_hillarys_r.html">you’re right</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>When Rudy Giuliani’s pal Bernard Kerik was nominated for homeland-security secretary by President George W. Bush, Sen. Hillary Clinton said: “Bernard Kerik knows firsthand the challenges and needs of New York and other high-threat areas. As a member of the president’s cabinet, he can make that case every single day.”</p>
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<p>Ooooops!</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Howie has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/17/blue-america-welcomes-gretchen-clearwater/#respond&quot;&gt;new thread&lt;/a&gt; upstairs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howie has a <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/17/blue-america-welcomes-gretchen-clearwater/#respond">new thread</a> upstairs.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting NYT article about how U.S. of A. is helping Pakistan secure da bomb. Hope it’s a better program than we have here, where they seem to fly across the country on little angel wings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/washington/18nuke.html?pagewanted=2&amp;hp&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11.....d=2&amp;hp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting NYT article about how U.S. of A. is helping Pakistan secure da bomb. Hope it’s a better program than we have here, where they seem to fly across the country on little angel wings.<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/washington/18nuke.html?pagewanted=2&amp;hp">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11&#8230;..d=2&amp;hp</a></p>
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