"We used to love America.... But why isn't the U.S. standing up for Pakistan when we need it most? Is America even listening to us? We are calling them Busharraf now. They are the same man."
They've got a point. If America's democratic institutions were as fragile as Pakistan's, does anyone really think Dubya wouldn't find a trumped-up reason to declare a "state of emergency" so he could suspend the Constitution and stay in power? Hell, I'm not entirely convinced he won't do it anyway. All that separates the dictator and the wannabe is opportunity.
Amazingly enough, the crackdown on civil rights isn't slowing the Scary Islamofascists down at all. Kinda like how all of Bush's warrantless wiretapping, torture, shock, awe and surges have had minimal impact on al Qaeda. Why, if one didn't know better, one might almost think that Bushie and Mushie were both just grabbing power for power's sake, with no intention of actually using it for its stated purpose.
What really frustrates me is that BushCo. just sat back and let Pakistan fall apart. They took the same half-assed, talk-a-good-game-but-don't-follow-up-or-hold-anyone-accountable approach that they used with Katrina and everything else... and applied it to a nuclear-armed country with a very unpopular dictator. Only now, when it's a globally visible crisis, are they making lame attempts at damage control.
The Bush administration has given Pakistan $10 billion in aid - $7 billion of it military - since Musharraf pledged his "unstinting" support in the war on terror, and for what? Musharraf still hasn't moved towards democracy, he pardoned A.Q. Khan for selling nuclear secrets to Libya, Iran and North Korea (while our State Department shrugged), and he's used almost none of his aid money to actually fight terrorism:
[R]ather than use the more than $7 billion in U.S. military aid to bolster its counter-terrorism capabilities, Pakistan has spent the bulk of it on heavy arms, aircraft and equipment that U.S. officials say are far more suited for conventional warfare with India, its regional rival.
That has left fighters with the paramilitary force, known as the Frontier Corps, equipped often with little more than "sandals and bolt-action rifles," said a senior Western military official in Islamabad, even as they face Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters equipped with assault rifles and grenade launchers.The arms imbalance has contributed to Al Qaeda's ability to regroup in the border region....
So what did that $10 billion buy us, exactly? Well, given the combination of autocratic rule and lukewarm counterterrorism, there's a good chance that it'll buy us an anti-American Islamist theocracy... with nukes. IANAD (I am not a diplomat), but could it really have made the situation any worse if Dubya called his old pal Pervy up every once in a while and threatened to divert all of that aid money to India if Pakistan didn't start making progress on al Qaeda and free elections?
Of course, such an approach would imply a belief in terrorism and democracy as something more than just the words he uses to intimidate and inspire.
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HI ELI!
Zed!!!!
Hi Eli.
Evening Eli!
Laura Doty @ 1
Well if I had to lose the zed to someone, it’s my pleasure that’s it’s you Laura.
Eli!
Hi Eli. Evening all.
Hi guys!!!
Millineryman @ 4
Hi MM! Happy weekend all.
Eli, I’m always running out when you start your Fri. post…will catch it when I get back, and thanks in advance.
Laura Doty @ 8
Probably just as well - I might be out of my element here…
Thank you, thank you, thank you…I saw that today…it is priceless, and I hope it sticks.
Busharraf!!!
This whole debacle is another Busharraf failure of “intelligence”…his intelligence.
Shitteth hitteth the fan, once again. Seems to be a daily occurrence.
Eli, NICE POST!!!
I however am convinced pakistan was a trial balloon set sail by darth cheney
that is my belief, they are watching the pitfalls and preparing for when they do it
Hi Eli
Busharaff indeed, how did we get here?
*asking rhetorically in a most dejected fashion*
perris @ 11
A trial balloon for declaring martial law? I’m not sure Pakistan is a very realistic test case, but reality’s never been a deterrent before…
Eli @ 9
how so?
We give them 10 billion of ourt tax dollars and they turn around and spend in with our MIC and buy weapons. Voila… corporate welfare for the defense industry. In stead of the USA purchasing the weapons from our MIC for US they do it for Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, Columbia and so on.
How about some NON military aid?
Elliott @ 12
Neither of them was ever held accountable.
We’ve given $10.58 billion to Pakistan since 9/11, largely in untraceable cash transfers.
TexBetsy @ 14
Oh, I’m usually more comfortable with the media/politics/corruption stuff. But this whole Pakistan clusterfuck is just too epic.
Jane Hamsher @ 17
Did other administrations do this much in the way of cash transfer aid?
TexBetsy @ 19
I’m pretty sure that when it’s untraceable, it’s more bribery than aid.
I need some aid. Of the bribery sort or any sort really.
Unfortunately, Eli, this is all too true; “All that separates the dictator and the wannabe is opportunity.” With the COG legislation and the repeal of ‘Posse Comitatus’ it is a very real threat… 8-(
If Bush tries to pull the dictator card and suspends what’s left of the Constitution, do you think the military would support him after he basically broke it?
TexBetsy @ 21
Just make my aid out to “Cash”…
Millineryman @ 23
Maybe he’s breaking it so it won’t have enough strength to stop him…
Eli @ 24
Alms would even be nice… 8-)
We got here, because nobody in the mainstream media or blogs will look at what went down on 9/11; which has been the entire justification for everything that has happened since. That is the truth, like it or not. There are way too many inconsistencies and lies throughout the whole scenario that have been ignored, ridiculed, redacted, and written off as taboo. That is why we are where we are today, and until people start looking into this seriously, nothing will change. We keep slipping down the rabbit hole, daily. That is my opinion, and I am not a kook. So there!!! That is what I think.
CTuttle @ 22
I think we’re still a long ways away, but the Republicans will keep chipping away until someone stops them.
Eli @ 25
and Bush does have his Blackwaterian Guard
I think if Bush convinces them that he must declare marshal law for “national security purposes” they might go along with him for a while. But how do we get back our country when the congress has been sent home?
Eli @ 28
Actually, if you parse the language, it’s a lot closer than you think…!
Elliott @ 29
That’s true. He doesn’t have to disable the military; just make its homeland presence weaker than Blackwater et al.
That’s actually too tinfoil-hatty for me, to be honest - I think they’re more likely to just stick with the drowning-the-Constitution-in-a-bathtub strategy.
Eli @ 13
cheney is a moron, he doesn’t know there’s a differance between pakistan and America, he is an utte fool
we know cheney’s hand is in all decisions made by the the pakistan government, this has been reported.
cheney tried to use Iraq as a trial balloon for the federalist economic model as well
they think they can figure out how to apply what went wrong suspending the constitution in pakistan to how they will approach those pitfalls if they try it in the states
this is my belief, Musharraf used terms he could have only gotten from cheney
things like “activist judges”…where the HELL did he come up with THAT phrase?
only one place
and using Lincoln as his precidence for suspending the constitution…puhleeze
this is cheney’s work I am sure of it
perris @ 33
Addington at Cheney’s bidding.
If you have done research you can see that the 911 commission report was a pack of lies and non conclusive. 911 was most probably an “inside” job by some rogue elements in the intelligence services or ex members with ties to the military.
Whether the admin was in on it, or was able to use it for THEIR agenda matters not.
Cui bono?
TexBetsy @ 19
I think for any admin but Busharraf and the Yellow Elephants, it has been other than cash. Something about special reporting requirements when more than $10K cash involved.
Eli @ 32
and they have the water running there, for sure
(did I just say “for sure”?)
Cheney, huh?
Impeach Cheney now, just like Kucinich said.
Do it!!!
Eli- great that you put some of the details of this out there in this post.
And for the sake of clarification, when you said:
“So what did that $10 billion buy us, exactly? Well, given the combination of autocratic rule and lukewarm counterterrorism, there’s a good chance that it’ll buy us an anti-American Islamist theocracy… with nukes.”
Were you meaning Pakistan, or the US? Or both, maybe?
Elliott @ 29
correct, they have deliberately broken our armed forces, they have deliberately brought state malitia resources overseas, they have deliberately left us without our pants
balckwater is setting up shop in outposts throughout our country…I saw a blackwayer add where they were saying things like “providing security and rebuilding infrastructure”
frightening stuff there
then the other day I saw a car that looked like a wanna be security car, yet it had sprawed BIGGER then I had ever seen on ANY police car
POLICE
HUGE
and on the front fender was in script this ominous saying;
“PROVIDING HOMELAND SECURITY”
that’s right, they were using nazi terminolgy sprawled all over what looked like it was NOT a police car
I am pretty certain this was a blackwater vehicle, here in lawn guy land new york
these are ominous signs let me tell you Eli
SanderO @ 35
We’re all gonna die, we’re all gonna die. Help help.
dakine01 @ 36
That actually pales in comparison to the largest single transfer of cash, the $13 billion airlifted into Baghdad, with only $1 billion accounted for since…
Valley Girl @ 40
Well, of course it applies to both countries, but it’s a lot more likely to produce an Islamist theocracy in Pakistan.
BTW…My guess is that Musharraf has the goods on the whole deal, and Negroponte is over there to tell him…you breathe one word about what you know and….
Evil, evil, people.
raven @ 42
Heh, a country boy will survive… ;-)
Millineryman @ 23
Hell, he’s got Blackwater. Now Blackwater International. I suppose that has certain tax advantages. And if Blackwater brought other nationals into our country, they wouldn’t have any problem killing Americans.
Just my paranoid tendencies emerging here.
Valley Girl @ 40
Hush money.
CTuttle @ 46
I can skin a buck and run a trot line.
Yea we are gonna die sooner or later, but that has nothing to do with the conspiracy of 911 and the criminality of those involved.
help help the sky is falling
LS @ 45
I sure don’t think he’s there to lay down the law. At most, he might tell Mushie that Bushie is terribly displeased, but I’m not taking any BushCo actions seriously until they start yanking aid.
SanderO @ 35
this president was given PRECISE intel telling him EXACTLY what would happen
he was told where, by who, when, what weapons, how the attack would be implimented
it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to get more presice intel then what this president was briefed
our intelligence community was more concerned then any time before, “EVERYONE WAS RUNNING AROUND WITH THEIR HAIR ON FIRE”
THIS PRESIDENT TOOK VACATION, and stood down
norad watched commercial airliners do you turns in the sky and did nothing
the president was informed we were under attack,
YET REMAINED AT THE ARENA HIS PUBLIC AGENDA CALLED FOR
that’s right, he was NOT removed from his publicly known place of appearance for something like 45 friggin minutes
he KNEW that place would NOT be one of the targets of attack
of course he was “in on it”
SanderO @ 50
You’re gonna give yourself an ulcer.
raven @ 49
As long as the post-apocalyptic wasteland has wifi, I’m sure I’ll be fine.
LS @ 27
But, more and more respected Americans are speaking up every day too. Who would have ever thought we’d have John Dean, Howard Fine, and even to an extent, Pat Buchanan speaking out?
Eli @ 25
Good point.
Armed citizens don’t bode well for dictators. I think one legion that wouldn’t take too kindly to Bush trying to impose a dictatorship would be gun owners. And if Blackwater tried to take their guns, I’m sure there would be a fight to the finish.
Eli @ 51
Negroponte is a tool, and he has never been associated with anything innocent.
Mushie and Bushie…I like that!!!
Good night pups. Tomorrow’s another day.
or
Good night Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are.
raven @ 49
I have some nifty tricks I learned along the way, in defense of our country… ;-)
So who’s tushie?
Busharraf? I don’t know. O’le Pervez isn’t optimal, and it is certainly time for him to be gone; but Musharref appears a bit intelligent, efficient and competent to be conjoined with the sad sack of dung known as Bush.
Millineryman @ 56
All Dubya would have to tell the Kool-Aid 25-percenters is that he needed extraordinary powers to keep the liberals from ruining the country, and they’d be besides themselves with glee.
SanderO @ 58
me too, g’night sanderO and g’night all you firedogs, see tomorrow
perris @ 63
g’nite
Eli @ 24
Shrink wrapping wll do just fine.
CTuttle @ 43
Billions Over Baghdad
bmaz @ 61
Well, there has to be *some* slack in the comparison. Dictators as dumb as Dubya don’t exactly grow on trees.
eCAHNomics @ 65
I only need a couple pallets
from common dreams
No Easy Answers to Pakistan Crisis
by Jim Lobe
WASHINGTON - Amid growing polarisation between President Gen. Pervez Musharraf and Pakistan’s civilian opposition forces, U.S. hopes of salvaging a power-sharing accord that would marry the military dictator to former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto are fading fast.
Indeed, Bhutto’s public break with the military dictator — enunciated, among other places, in a Washington Post column Wednesday that called on Musharraf to resign as both president and as army chief — will make it much harder to patch together the deal that Washington had tried so hard to work out over the last several months, according to most analysts here.
That deal called for Musharraf to retain his disputed presidency on condition that he first permit Bhutto to return from exile and then hold elections that would give her a third premiership in exchange for his resignation as chief of the army, presumably in favour of his number two, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, a Washington favourite.
Aloha, SanderO and Perris!
SanderO @ 58
My mother thanks you, my father thanks you. . .and I thank you.
TexBetsy @ 69
DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!!!
Eli @ 51
Eli, doesn’t Congress have anything to say about money it allocates? Biden sounded like he knew all about Pakistan last night.
Loo Hoo. @ 73
If it’s under their authority, they sure as hell haven’t been doing anything about it. Wouldn’t want to cut off our good friend and ally in the War On Terror, now would we.
Millineryman @ 56
As I’ve said before, the National Rifle Association had some good points that escaped me for most of my life. Maybe we should all join and take over the club.
Loo Hoo. @ 66
Not to disparage that report, but, I’d read credible sources putting it at 13 not 12, but, what’s a billion here or there amongst friends? ;-)
TexBetsy @ 60
Where’s Alfred when we need his reassurances?
Eli @ 54
Eli, that one’s a classic.
Tithonia @ 78
Mad WiMax.
Perhaps Biden did how what they know, and for how long did they know it.
perris @ 63
Good night, both of you guys.
Loo Hoo. @ 55
Right you are. It is so obvious.
Their M.O. is to discredit everyone, and I believe everyone should stand up to these people now. We can, and we should.
There are only two reasons that the whole world takes George W. Bush seriously: he appears to be unstable (irrational). And he has the capability to launch nuclear weapons.
Loo Hoo. @ 73
Biden nor Hillary, nor Edwards, nor Obama, nor Dodd (til quite lately) have demonstrated any kind of leadership on Pakistan or anything else. The only Presidential Candidate who has shown any real outspoken leadership of any kind counts Shirley McClaine among his best friends.
Elliott @ 68
Gives “Make me a pallet on your floor” a whole new meaning.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 83
Speaking of which, Amy’s interview with Craig Unger today was outstanding.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 83
Crazy guys with big guns and itchy trigger fingers are *always* taken seriously. Not necessarily respected, but definitely taken very seriously.
I enjoy backtalk.
OldCoastie @ 88
So, um, would you like me to sass you?
OldCoastie @ 88
I hate you and I don’t care what you think!
Oh sorry. Not teen backtalk then?
I work near a gun shop. People are buying lots of guns. Bad guns - military style with laser sights and worse. These people are not like us. They are Republican gun nuts.
Margot @ 85
I’d be quite content with one stack on one of the pallets…
Hunter Thompson once said there were grounds for a mutual alliance between hippies and gun freaks-what you would get is a culture of beautiful, st*ned flower children who would never hurt a fly but would be perfectly capable of shooting the sh*t out of anyone who f*cked with them.
The other problem is, if Bush were to tell the NRA that they were the unorganized militia and they could keep their guns if they were loyal, they’d be on his side.
Good night everyone, and as always Eli, I enjoy your posts.
TexBetsy @ 38
Cheney owns the Pakistan Desk. No one else will take it because if they do, Cheney will pester them to death, and send Addington over to
nipbite at their heels. Cheney considers himself an expert on Pakistan. Like he considers himself an expert on Iran and Iraq. Doesn’t that make you feel safe and secure?Just like Cheney drove Negroponte out of the Intelligence office by holding up the Iran NIE for a year because Negroponte wouldn’t bend the facts to suit Cheney’s delusions. But you’ve heard this song before.
Bob in HI
hackworth @ 91
If there’s a Republican coup, they won’t be resisting, they’ll be signing up.
Night, MM - thanks!
Margot @ 85
indeed! :)
Perhaps this is the reason Bush wanted control over the world banks. Nobody can transfer money to the “wrong” person-Bhutto-just to stop the madness.
Eli @ 96
The NRA would love to have that kind of power and I would never trust them.
bobschacht @ 95
Even DNI McConnell is giving Cheney flack about the Iran NIE…