Gambling911 has the story:
In the Democratic party there are three individuals that oddsmakers have their eyes on: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Al Gore. Now obviously, Al Gore has not announced his intention of running but gamblers and oddsmakers alike have allowed him to maintain single digit numbers, ahead of John Edwards.
Hillary remained the 1-3 favorite. So far, Barack Obama showed little upward movement despite favorable press related to his recent appearances and ability to capitalize on some Clinton gaffes.
Obama was still at 7-2 odds at Sportsbook.com and 8/1 odds (listed as +800) at BetUS.com.
Giulinai is at 5-1, good news for those of us who hold out hope for a future without nuclear winter in the Middle East.
Consider this an open debate thread.
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Here we go again.
Would love to see the immunity question raised.
(I’ve let downstairs know).
Another Thread? 8-)
Geez, this is the third time today I read, then see exactly one comment. I don’t know what kind of timing thing this is, but whatever it is, I got it today!
Bob in HI
I want to see more Hillary fumbles.
Wow! What fun. Taylor Marsh says to watch for the following during the debate: (thanks Steve AR)
1. It’s long past time John Edwards took on Barack Obama. He needs to make sure he’s not on one note all night, attacking Clinton.
2. Obama will likely be asked (by someone) about his support for Spitzer’s illegal immigrants driver’s license plan. Edwards should get this question too.
3. Clinton needs to be concise, energetic and on the offensive. She needs to take a risk tonight. Expectations are high. She’ll be asked about moving against driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants. She doesn’t need to pander to Nevadans because she’s blowing her opponents away in the state. She’ll be talking to voters beyond. Something to keep in mind is that right now Rudy is ahead by one point over Clinton in Nevada.
Gore? Psych.
My odds Ron Paul is the perfect Vice President for any GOPer trying to get 70%er Center Majority votes after the way the herd went after the 30%ers.
Ron’s anti war postion could pull some votes away if we elect somebody who inspires the base to stay home and sleep election day.
((( Jane )))
Thanks for having us all over to watch the debate !
Intros one at a time. 1 Edwards, 2 Dodd 3 Obama 4 Clinton 5 Kucinich 6 Richardson 7 Biden
evening all.
i am tuned in to KO, but will watch the debate during commercials and all reports on paris hilton.
KO up
Rather watch him than the umpteenth D debate.
All over Regan-Ghouliani story.
Here we GO!
Yes, its Jane’s Addiction.
FFWD to 20 seconds if you don’t speak spanish.
I’m watching in the hopes that Edwards does real damage to Obama and Clinton.
Wolf Blitzer ? Couldn’t CNN get a livelier host … like Oatmeal ?!!
Are we going to get an FDL play by play? I won’t watch Blitzer.
OT – So I guess Barry Bonds, really didn’t break any laws….
Obama can get out the African American vote as VP however even Rahm and Penn must see that if he is not VP then African Amercans might stay home.
Without winning in urban areas the Democrats would be like the GOP without the South.
But on the plus side Rahm, Penn and all the Democratic Center people would get the blame.
We could remake the party like Regean did the GOP in our own image with no oppostion.
Also a GOP winner would get the blame for he Bush economy.
Obama to win 25% Obama as everyone’s VP choice 75%.
Petrocelli already on it!
Steve-AR, I think you’ll be able to keep up with what’s going on…the live blogging here rocks.
Don’t forget the Dodd clock.
Clinton gets the immigration wiggle first thing. Politics of parsing.
Her suit is made of asbestos. Working for 35 years, very specific policies put forth. Most important election in a long time. Ready for day one.
I am expecting Loo Hoo to give the “fair and balanced” comments. The GF is bringing home carry out so I don’t miss anything.
The set backdrop is way over the top. Distracting.
“A capable politician” OUCH. Praising with faint damns…
Loo Hoo. @ 20
Pass da Popcorn … *g* … I want to apologize for John Roberts beforehand … he used to be really good when he lived here in Toronto …
Blitzer asks Obama what he means by triangulating.
Two weeks before we got an answer on immigrant drivers license. Same on social security and goes off on health care back home.
Eureka Springs is right. The background is HIDEOUS.
KO # 2-Reid prevently recess appts, with John Dean on broken govt.
grrrr … I’m losing patience with these I must say
tired of it all being about HRC instead of about saving our constitution and getting out of Iraq now.
Oh surprise its the HillObama show.
What are those other dudes doing there?
Marion in Savannah @ 26
Except that under the present conditions, capable has never looked so attractive.
HRC doesn’t seem to think the powers that be are going to vacate the WH “voluntarily”.
Siun @ 31
Talk about anything but what their oath would cover.
Eureka Springs @ 25
Yep.
The other thing I’m seeing is that one of the reasons Hillary gets so much time is, when the attack her, or question her, she gets to respond.
And, I hate the background.
Cat fight…Obama and Wolfie…
Clintons wants universal health care for everyone. Reminds competition that they are working against republicans.
Obama responds that Hillary thinks that people without care haven’t applied for it. Everyone should get what senators get.
Clinton reminds obama that she workd on childrens’ healthcare in 1997. Obama’s plan does not cover everone.
Verbal fight!!
Petrocelli @ 16
I’m sure he will save his most biased questions for Hilary out of habit. The MSM just loves to batter Clinton women…and man.
What I want to see is if he goes after anyone else just who is corporate America scared of today?
Of course if Wolf doesn’t go after Hilary that means the MSM is worried she might not be the candidate. Then we know that the race is closer than Hilary might want to admit.
Marion in Savannah @ 29
Well, the debate IS in Las Vegas so that’s just the norm for there.
HRC looks pissed … gives an opening for the others
looks like Edwards is taking that opening and doing a good job with it
LS @ 34
WHAT does that mean? I have KO on.
Hillary – great makeup, lousy top … hide those hips dear !
Edwards saying everyone on this stage is far better than any of the republicans.
Hillary is part of the corruption.
Hillary insists on responding, and says we are all democrats. When someone throws mud, it should not be right out of the republican play book.
Hill is off her game again.
Cue the flames.
HRC needs to learn how to take these attacks without looking pissy … she’s not handling this well.
It’s a tricky spot but she needs to be coached better on how to handle it.
It’s the Hillary show.
Petrocelli @ 42
Petro! (I thought the very same thing.)
Wolf is really trying to cut off Hillary.
Every time.
Brought Biden in, now.l
is this debate only on cable tv?
selise @ 48
CNN
this afternoon I got dinged by the signature collectors who are trying to qualify the “split CA’s electoral vote” intiative down at the local Target store.
There was a diary on DKos yesterday about a grad student that got hit up at UCSB and the tactics were exactly the same… the kids’ said they had a ballot iniative for a children’s cancer hospital and oh, would you sign the “multiple copies”?
So, after prying off the giant rubber band and taking a little look, I said in a very loud voice (there were quite a few people waiting to sign the petitions)… “BOY! I HOPE EVERYONE READS ALL THESE OTHER BALLOT PROPOSALS”… oh geebus, you shoulda seen the stir I caused. One kid literally yanked the ballot petitions out of my hand (I hung on just because)… I said, “don’t you know this is ILLEGAL??” (I don’t know that it is , but it sounded good in the moment).
I complained to the store manager as I know they have been trying to kick soliciters off the property for the last couple years. The boys (and they really were children) insisted they had the right to stay but I don’t think they knew they were on private property. I hung around out front for about an hour and continued to holler at people not to sign the petition. Then I went over to the sheriff’s substation to complain, but they only gave me a phone number…
I’ve written all the local tv stations… ’specially now that I have a “relationship” with a couple of them since the fire and I contacted Pat Morrison at the LA Times… I’d contact the OC Register but have no idea who to write there…
boy, that pisses me off!
Biden doesn’t want to weigh in on this! Americans are worried about drug deals, mortgages, jobs, Iraq. I’m not criticizing any of the three people who get to talk all the time.
Who is best on Iraq, Pakistan. I have the most experience. Shut up quickly cuz he was going over.
Petrocelli … I’m really not a fan of the fashion commentary … HRC is a serious politician, let’s call her on her policies not her attire.
Unless you’d like to critique the various dark suits instead of the guys policies too.
T- @ 44
She is unravelling ... keep it together Hill, let’s have a strong showing by all candidates …
I am so sick of this whole thing. I loathe and despise every single one of them. They’re all worthless trash, prepresenting no one but the corporations.
As for the RNC –
LS @ 34
She is right.
Biden needs better blush and some concealer on those eyelids.
selise @ 48
Cnn is carrying it on line
Thanks, John. He’s the real deal.
Edwards says is is okay to change your mind, but hillary voted for the trade deal with Peru, and went to Iowa and said we need to be careful about trade deals.
Now talks about hunger in America.
KO on U.S. Bridge Assn dinging of champions.
Petrocelli-
I don’t think she knows how to appear to be a team player and have it work in her favor.
Edwards gets it.
Biden got it on his first question.
CNN link http://www.cnn.com
Dodd says the Americans wonder if anyone in DC is is paying their attention to their needs. Let’s not waste time on the shrillness of the debate.
richardson introduces himself.
David Ehrenstein @ 54
Good one, David.
Dodd should add:
And we all expect the moderators of the debate to facilitate it in manner that informs the American people, not the gotcha politics of recent history.
Richardson-give peace a chance. Are we addressing the needs of Americans and let’s quit the mudslinging.
TexBetsy @ 49
oh. guess i’ll watch the live blog here then. *g*
eCAHNomics @ 60
Because they said they didn’t vote for Bush.
Asks candidates if they will support the democratic nominee. they all say yes except kucinich adds that they must be against war.
Siun @ 52
Her wardrobe is being used as an asset in her campaign and I have commented on her attire during previous debates.
Biden had one too many cocktails in the green room. Must be going for the nascar dad vote.
Edwards has basically thrown 3 words at Clinton…corrupt, and ignorant, and he just threw in “planted”….and she is a bit pissed…
Marion in Savannah @ 68
Yeah, that one.
Obama on driver’s licenses. Understands Americans frustration.
1 Border security
2. Employers
then
3. Get the immigrants out of the shadows. Shed light on the problem.
ABCNews had a piece tonight on Rudy’s life history -said his father did time in SingSing for armed robbery but it was Great Depression time so that made it Ok – like it was a bread truck to feed his starving family. Read elsewhere that Rudy’s father and uncle were both mafia linked? What is the real story – anybody know? My money is on a Repub ticket of Rudy/Newt – with Newt taking over the Cheney role.
Oh, jeez. Spitzer gave up on this in NY. Didn’t they hear?
Edwards is not doing himself any favors, imo. He needs to cool out on Hillary.
Loo Hoo. @ 77
Anyone else he should avoid confronting, or just her?
Obama is falling into the trap that HRC fell into last time, and Wolf just bailed him out by saying, it is a yes, and no answer….that was interesting.
DK – Grand Slam !
Kuchinich: I take acception to your use of words…people are not illegal.
I take acception to the way you phrased that question.
No from HRC. Moving to the right.
Petrocelli @ 80
Woo, woo!! “and I resent the way you framed that question”..or something like that!
Kucinich just torched Blitzer. He’s a stud. Dennis, not Leslie (in case there was any confusion).
Obama supports we have to deal with public safety wrt licenses. Wolf calls for a yes or no.
Do you support DL for undocumented immigrants.
Edwards, no
Dodd, no
Obama, yes
Clinton, no
Kuchinich takes issue with illegal term. Path to legalization. Refuses yes or no.
Richardson, yes-he did it. Safety. He talks too much!
Biden, no
Richardson saying exactly what Spitzer did in NY until he was raked over the coals. It’s a matter of public safety.
Dodd’s getting some good support.
what does “secure the border” actually mean?
Dodd: No child left behind is a disaster…big applause!
Every debate audience I’ve watched on TV seems to loathe NCLB.
selise @ 88
know exactly who is crossing and when, and have the ability to close the door.
What is wrong with merit pay for teachers?
Dodd, more pay for teachers who go into the intercity or more difficult areas. Reform NCLB…huge applause.
woo hoo! i’ve got an audio feed from cnn.
selise @ 88
Put a safety pin on that decoration on your skirt.
Public education is a Democratic issue. Here, they move back left.
I’m sorry, please don’t consider me a troll. I’m watching this debate and it looks to me like the Star Wars bar scene. Do any of these candidates really inspire anyone? Where is the JFK, the Harry Truman, the Bobby Kennedy?
I hear only pandering and attacks on each other.
Joke
TexBetsy @ 92
well, then it means building a wall like the berlin wall.
every teacher i know despises NCLB
kucinich says he is the candidate for workers, he is from the working class.
Richardson wants to be the education president. (this is the most important issue of this campaign???)
Unions are the fundamental difference between democracy and dictatorship.
Richardson has some good education policies..
Loo Hoo. @ 92
Hear Hear … Richardson also swinging to the fences !
Gov. Richardson saying what we need in the schools. It would be great it we weren’t pouring all that money down the Iraq rat hole.
Oilfieldguy @ 100
evidence?
China is graduating half a million engineers.
America about 50,000.
TexBetsy @ 103
The right to organize?
Clinton on merit pay.
She supports school-based merit pay. (Good one!) Reward teamwork and collaboration. We do need to reimagine education. The Bush admin has always top down, and she wants everyone at the table.
Toofs and Tufts says because you get extra degrees you get extra money. Some people with very advanced degrees SUCK at teaching….
TexBetsy @ 103
Dictators say you will do this or that or the other. Like a company owner, this work for this pay, take it or leave it.
Unions bring democracy to the dictatorial system through collective bargaining.
Biden…base merit on how much education the teacher has???? Hmmmmm.
At least they off the DL..that was reminding me of Kemoi and Matsu
Marion in Savannah @ 108
He does go on to question whom decides the merit pay…
Biden, teachers should be rewarded for continuing education.
On Pakistan, Biden does not think we should maintain the money if he doesn’t take off his uniform and have elections by mid January. Help the middle class in Pakistan.
Wolfie sure loves Wolfie…
Pakistan -Biden will solve it all himself.
Oilfieldguy @ 100
Wobblies Forever!!!!
Just checked the Dodd debate clock — Obama in the lead.
CTuttle @ 114
nobody does it better
Biden taking credit for leveraging using cut off of aid to get Musharraf to take off the uniform, free elections, and move toward a Pakistan policy rather than a Musharraf policy…cause he spoke with him personally.
Hasn’t happened yet, but we’ll see.
Oilfieldguy @ 105
3-D etch a sketch just around the corner!!!
LS @ 118
Remind you of W “looking into Putin’s eyes?”
The giving of an increase stipend to outstanding teachers is an upside down concept.
Teachers fighting for scraps while our country is falling behind. Double all teachers pay and let the Unions cast out the under performers.
Richardson making good diplomatic sense regarding Pakistan.
What, Wolfie, ya don’t believe Richardson’s 15% analysis…?
Marion in Savannah @ 120
lol
i wish dod would say that our freedoms are part of our national security.
LS @ 119
IIRC, Mush spoke to Biden before he spoke to Bush, as reported in DKos.
Why can’t Edwards get off the nuclear threat from Iran … he loses me there every time
Richardson asked if sometimes human rights are more important than National Security.
Yes, and brought up Halliburton’s profits.
Real Nice cut away to a beaming Howard Dean.
Oilfieldguy @ 122
why can’t the ‘underperforming’ teachers wear blue smocks and ‘greet’ *shoppers* entering the school?
Siun @ 129
all options are on the handmade rough-hewn pro-union table.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 131
I know of a few who would do less damage that way!
KensUSA @ 96
And if the Dems are jokes what do you call the Reps with all of their pandering on the invasion/occupation and tax cut nonsense?
The reality is, if Harry Truman or JFK or RFK were running in today’s environment, THEY wouldn’t be Harry Truman, JFK, or, RFK as we knew them.
I am impressed with John Edwards.
selise @ 127
yep
selise @ 126
Yeah– that’s ideal as far as an answer goes. Dodd just did a great slam of Bush tho :)
This is the first of these festive events that I have actually watched, so have not seen Richardson in action before. Am I the only person who feels a little creeped out by him?
TexBetsy @ 56
Jeebus, TxBetsy, who cares? He ain’t a kid. Ya hit sixty and the bags happen. Ya want a peach-fuzzed kid?
Sorry, Bets, I admire you hugely–it’s just that it looks too much like the superficialities of looks that seem to dominate our culture.
I am outta here for needful work
why fern?
Fern @ 138
he’s not for me
House is now voting on the FISA bill. They passed it by voice vote, but Conyers demanded a recorded vote (WTF?). I think this is the “good” bill. Most democrats are voting for, Reps against, 5 minute vote.
Bob in HI
Dodd, the security of the country is the most important issue. Be careful what you wish for. If democracy were instated in many countries, we would be more in danger.
The funny line of the evening is when Hillary used the “mudslinging phrase”…Howard Wolfson her hack is the prime off the record mudslinger on par with Miss Piggy Rove….too funny coming fromn a Clinton!
I prefer edwards among the ‘upper tier’ candidates but boy I’d sure love to see Kuchinich stun the pundits with a really strong showing!
Hypatia @ 139
guess i should have included a *snark tag.
Oilfieldguy @ 134
I have been since 2004, and haven’t changed my opinion. I’m old enough to get a real “Bobby Kennedy” vibe coming from him. I’m voting for him in this primary too.
Fern @ 138
NO he is a slimey Clinton butt-boy
Oilfieldguy @ 122
Merit pay is one of those ideas that quickly falls to in house partisanship and favoritism. I agree paying teachers more is fairer.
Clinton, Bush has put us in a bind. Musharaf needs to know that this isn’t good for either Pakistan or America. she called for a high level envoy much earlier, and bush didn’t do it. They’re doing it now.
Loo Hoo. @ 150
That was the most forceful she’s been so far, and it was to say she doesn’t know what to do.
Oops.
Siun @ 129
I don’t think he was referring just to Iran. Rather he was harkening back to Kerry’s “loose nukes” coup de grace.
dakine01 @ 134
Couldn’t care less about the Repubs… I’m focusing on our side. You make a good point about Truman, RFK and JFK… they would probably be Republicans today based on their views on Communism…
TexBetsy @ 139
He sounds like he doesn’t mean or even believe much of what he is saying.
bobschacht @ 142
Looks like it will pass! Already, 217, w/5 repugs in favor…
Elliott @ 140
He also has womanizer problems. Think he hopes for VP, of maybe SecState.
Cleanup on aisle 149?
Cute blog, Susan.
Now you click on my news feed.
–Betsy
good to know there are odds for all candidates
let me tell you why;
if a fix is in as far as voting machines you’re gonna see and move toward an unlikely candidate as the vote gets close
if the fix is in who ever is the republican candidate will make a big big improvement in odds…that will indicate somebody couldn’t resist capitalizing on the prospect
Franco @ 148
sorry if this seems rude but really that’s not a particularly ‘incisive’ political remark.
Franco, no one here is interested in what you have to say. Go away.
Is petreas right when he says the surge is working?
Richardson, no. Too many deaths. 65% of the Iraqi people say it’s okay to shoot an American soldier. Soldiers are tired and many are ill with PTSD. The money for the war shoudl be spent in America.
Richardson just spoke as though “Arab” and “Muslim” mean the exact same thing. That’s a bit more clueless than I expected.
227-189 House FISA bill passed, with few cross-overs on either side.
Bob in HI
Kucinich says the democrats in congress have not done the right thing wrt the war. There should be no money. Strength through peace.
T- @ 160
Or hang around, be quiet, and learn how this is done. The key words are BE QUIET. Learning would help you…
I think Richardson has been very effective in his public life. Unfortunately, he seems a little off in the public speaking arena.
bobschacht @ 163
That’s the bill without telecomm immunity, right?
T- @ 161
Huh?
Obama, the surge has failed. The political situation in Iraq has not improved. Military families are suffering. Afghanistan is worse off too. Out in 16 months.
JulieWaters @ 167
You betcha!
I have to hand it to CNN. Compared to the previous debates they really seem to be making an effort to give all of them a chance to weigh in.
Marion in Savannah @ 166
Oh I see, I think I know how things go. I have my opinions and just like YOU know how things go!
CTuttle @ 170
But it still provides for all sorts of wiretapping without warrants, right?
Monk @ 171
Well, if you check the Dodd debate clock, at least Obama and Richardson…
OT but of interest:LINK
KO-
Bridge team will be on the show momentarily. Offered to apolgize, but told that’s not enuf.
Reasons for sign: captn said she was involved in meeting with other officials who were not favorably disposed toward Americans as they had been in other years. she wanted to acknowledge that they understood where others were ocming from.
Team member: She was exposed to intl press while in China & realized how U.S. was regarded. While I’m proud of my country, I’m not proud of what my country was doing.
Apoligy not accepted, backlas-she was shocked at reaction. Surprised at how USBF wanted to control content of apoligy. Did not reflect how they felt & couldn’t sign it.
Loo Hoo. @ 165
Sorry DK, no money to be mad in peace … /s
Franco@148 and before – the “slimey buttboy” line is sure offensive.
I know we’re a hot talking blog but you’re playing with some really sleazy language there and it doesn’t make your comments very persuasive.
Monk @ 171
I concur! They’re letting’em all loose, on every question…
Kucinich, everyone who voted in favor of our trade policies with China. He slams Edwards for voting in favor.
Edwards says ===cute, Billy===what did someone say?
In 1993, when democrats were in charge, we didn’t get universal healthcare, we got NAFTA. Power needs to go back to the people.
The mistake was to allow China to send in dangerous toys, etc.
JulieWaters @ 173
I believe it still is onerous, with Blanket Warrants and such….
Siun @ 179
You are right, sorry please delete my comment, I was angry at him and went overboard…Sorry!
dk just hit on my hesitation with edwards… i love what he says about trade now – but when he was in the senate, i don’t think voted the way he talks now… (or am wrong about that?)
Thanks, Marion and Siun. I get ahead of myself sometimes.
Loo Hoo. @ 161
From thinkprogress:
I’m done with the debate for now. I’ll see y’all later :)
Loo Hoo. @ 181
dangerous toys: a wee problem when you think of free trade.
free trade is a corporatist’s daydream.
kuchinich as usual is dead on.
JulieWaters @ 167
I believe so. Remember, its the HOUSE bill.
Bob in HI
Loo Hoo or anyone who knows Hillary’s people … Hillary needs a “mantra” to remain centered/grounded and I’d be glad to help them in this.
Franco @ 182
Hi. Welcome to our conversation!
Was Ross Perot right?
Clinton, we do need to look at this and see how we can make trade for American people.
We need a third party investigative body checking things from China.
NAFTA was a mistake to the extent that it did not work out as it should have. We need to enforce human and environmental rights.
Richardson looks good on paper but he seems clueless and says odd things.
Steve-AR @ 193
maybe the batteries are running low
Petrocelli @ 177
Petro,
that was a totally freudian misspelling.
I think Dennis looks a little Mad.
Petrocelli @ 189
Thanks, email me?
Thank you Franco … we hit hard on policy where the hits belong.
Petrocelli @ 189
Aiding and abetting the enemy? ;-)
demi @ 195
LOL … sorry, it was unintentional …
Yack it on upstairs with a new thread.
was that biden saying “shut it down”?
selise @ 184
Perhaps he’s changed. These days, there’s an idea that no candidate should ever change a position on anything ever. If a position changes, then that’s something suspicious. That’s simply not a normal idea. That’s not a thinking candidate. That is Bush.
CTuttle @ 181
I don’t think so. IIRC it permits warrantless wiretaps only for foreigners on foreign phones. Don’t confuse the House bill with the bills being considered in the Senate. There will be enough time for that, later. *g*
Bob in HI
Obama, I don’t think it’s fair to send nuclear waste to Nevada. Nuclear power needs to be part of our energy needs. We are going to tell polluters they must pay, and invest that money in safe energy.
Nuclear waste is on site now. He rejects Wolf’s notion that we cannot solve our energy problems.
Millineryman @ 2
Indeed. But Herr Blitzer will wuss out on it.
How would it look for Senators Biden, Clinton, Dodd, and Obama to be shamed for their display of political cowardice by not bothering to show up and vote against Mukasey’s confirmation.
It would look bad if they were reminded that running for President is more important than performing their senatorial duties.
But don’t forget… they all said they opposed Mukasey. They didn’t do anything.
Actions speak louder than words.
David Ehrenstein @ 54
awesome graphic. is it getting a lot of play?
Badwater @ 201
oh, i agree – see my new found respect for gore.
but edwards explains his pro-worker stance as a something that came from growing up in a working-class family… if he had an explanation for his (apparent – i could be wrong about this) change on trade, etc… well, i’d feel more comfortable.
i did read that stiglitz was advising edwards – i think that’s a good thing.
CTuttle @ 197
If you had asked me at the beginning of the campaign whether Hillary’s strategy would have her ahead of the pack, I would have said no … but she is and if I can help any of them with my knowledge, I’d be glad to do so.
Loo Hoo. @ 195
K, I’ll do so after the debate.
Question to Dennis on why he voted against The Patriot Act..
“I read it”
AZ Matt @ 175
nogo war @ 209
smart dude.
Loo Hoo. @ 37
Funny! She failed in ‘97 and his doesn’t offer universal coverage now.
Sounds like a good argument to ignore them and vote for Edwards.
KensUSA @ 152
Republicans? Hardly. Truman wanted universal health care. Republicans have fought forever against that. JFK, well read his speeches fer God’s sake. RFK started out as a tough guy, but then softened and became a real populist. I think that’s part of what we’re seeing with Edwards, but for slightly different reasons.
None of those guys were slimeballs like Nixon, Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al.
Taylor Marsh said at one point Edwards was booed.
Was there a concerted Clinton campaign effort to make him look bad? What’s up with that?
Does this mean Hillary really CAN’T take the heat?