If there is an award for hypocritical projection, our President won it yesterday when he described Congressional Democrats as behaving like a teenager with a credit card.
Congress’ immaturity, he said, consisted of forcing him to veto the bipartisan $606 billion spending bill for health care, education and job training. But Mr. Bush identified only a small fraction — about $10 billion — as wasteful earmarks.
Having spared the taxpayers from $10 billion while denying them nearly $600 billion in programs both parties approve, the President then signed another bill authorizing $459 billion for the Defense Department. That authorization did not include any funding for America’s wars but did include hundreds of earmarks and billions for defense programs of dubious merit.
Nobel economist Joseph Stiglitz recently summarized The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush in Vanity Fair:
The damage done to the American economy does not make front-page headlines every day, but the repercussions will be felt beyond the lifetime of anyone reading this page.
[We have] a tax code that has become hideously biased in favor of the rich; a national debt that will probably have grown 70 percent by the time this president leaves Washington; a swelling cascade of mortgage defaults; a record near-$850 billion trade deficit; oil prices that are higher than they have ever been; and a [weakened] dollar . . .
And it gets worse. After almost seven years of this president, the United States is less prepared than ever to face the future. We have not been educating enough engineers and scientists, people with the skills we will need to compete with China and India. We have not been investing in the kinds of basic research that made us the technological powerhouse of the late 20th century. And although the president now understands—or so he says—that we must begin to wean ourselves from oil and coal, we have on his watch become more deeply dependent on both. . . .
Remember the presidential debates in 2000 between Al Gore and George Bush, and how the two men argued over how to spend America’s anticipated $2.2 trillion budget surplus? The country could well have afforded to ramp up domestic investment in key areas. In fact, doing so would have staved off recession in the short run while spurring growth in the long run.
But the Bush administration had its own ideas. The first major economic initiative pursued by the president was a massive tax cut for the rich, enacted in June of 2001. Those with incomes over a million got a tax cut of $18,000—more than 30 times larger than the cut received by the average American. The inequities were compounded by a second tax cut, in 2003, this one skewed even more heavily toward the rich. Together these tax cuts, when fully implemented and if made permanent, mean that in 2012 the average reduction for an American in the bottom 20 percent will be a scant $45, while those with incomes of more than $1 million will see their tax bills reduced by an average of $162,000.
Jonathan Alter on Countdown last night discussed the hypocrisy of the President’s projection and misplaced priorities by reminding us that in all previous wars, our presidents asked the country to accept higher taxes to help pay for those wars. Those presidents believed in shared sacrifice and being fair to future generations. But not George Bush.
To date, Bush has asked Congress to approve over $800 billion for US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but never once suggested raising taxes to pay for those authorizations. And there is no end in sight. The White House has yet to provide a credible rebuttal to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office report that predicted the likely costs of America’s two wars, including the interest to borrow the money instead of raising taxes to pay for them, would approach $2.4 trillion by 2017 (h/t TPM). Even that estimate probably fails to account for long-run health care costs for returning soldiers, costs we are only beginning to understand.
The CBO estimate differs in what it counts but is the same order of magnitude found by a new report produced by Democratic Staff that pegged the long-run costs of the war to at least $1.6 trillion. The latter estimate, which may eventually grow to double that amount, includes effects on oil prices and lost economic activity, as well as interest on borrowing, which are the kinds of economic side effects responsible policy makers consider when analyzing long-run consequences of their decisions.
But this Administration doesn’t talk about such consequences. Instead the White House charged the Democrats’ estimates are partisan and thus not to be believed. And that’s probably true, since we can’t blame the entire increase in oil prices solely on the Iraq war. If oil prices reach $100/bbl, another cause will be the broader failure of Bush/Cheney foreign policies throughout the Middle East, along with an appalling absence of responsible policies on global climate change and Cheney’s disdain for alternative energy.
None of that matters to this Administration. Our immature President must keep telling himself that it’s the Democrats who are behaving like teenagers with a credit card when they authorize billions for education, health care and job training, while spending $2.4 trillion for unfunded wars is fiscally responsible. And it’s Democrats who are responsible for exceeding his total budget requests by the sum of $22 billion, but we’re not to consider the larger sums that his appointees squandered in the Iraq occupation, including losing track of billions worth of weapons.
I don’t understand how anyone from this Administration, especially this President, can stand before any group of adults (or teenagers) and not be laughed out of the room when he chastises the opposition for behaving like irresponsible children.
Photo: Bush speaks to business leaders, 11/13/07; AP/Michael Conrad.
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- Priming the Pump: While Wars for Oil Gobble More Oil, Military Forced to Eye Alternative Fuels
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Zed! Morning Scarecrow
Morning, Scarecrow. Thank you for putting into words my utter disgust and frustration. I watched that video seething…
Caw, caw! Good morning Scarecrow.
I yearn for the day when we have responsible policy makers. Is that so much to ask?
Good morning.
The story about the Ds cost of war is the lead on Al Jazeera English TV, with the FBI’s investigation of Blackwater the second one. I really like this news source. Better than anything you get in U.S., and possibly better than BBC. Did an in-depth story on Uigurs (sp?) this morning.
http://english.aljazeera.net/N…..62E31A.htm
So, what the hell are the dems doing passing all those DOD programs and earmarks?
man scarecrow, I love your work…let me highlight what is one of the most important quotes from the article you’ve posted and then add my special touch of framing the discussion;
these are not “tax breaks”, this is stealing, the president has stolen middle class assets and deposited those assets in the bank accounts of people so wealthy they will never ever spend those assets
I DON’T want the democrats to use self defeating terminology like “raise taxes” or ‘roll back taxes” or “tax increase on the wealthy”
those terms are SELF DEFEATING
democrats need to
“reclaim middle class assets that have been commandeered by the president, deposited in his friends bank accounts”
now THAT’S the way to talk like a friggin democrat and they need to get with the program and START DOING IT
I say a 90% tax on the richest one percent until the war is paid for.This was always the trade off, rich boys don’t have to fight only foot the bill and now they’re reniging on that. If I hear one more fat ass rich bastard crying he worked his ass off for what he got…….
egregious @ 3
Morning, Egreg — the operative phrase there is bolded: Long-run Consequences. These guys either don’t know, don’t understand, or don’t care about such things. In their world, shielded by large-scale wealth, long-range consequences have no meaning — all personal disasters can be dealt with by a stroke of the checkbook.
Unfortunately – they are writing those checks on the backs of the American taxpayer.
Laughed at?
Booed, loudly, with the odd catcall, more like.
realworld @ 5
Well, that’s another story. I can understand why the Dems want to beef up the health/education/labor bills, since Bush has been cutting back their budgets (or growth) in his budget requests. But the defense bill is a bad sign that the Dems are not prepared to do the hard work. And Bush has basically left them all the hard work — and they don’t want to face it, even though the next President must.
Good morning firedogs.
It is also important to point out that despite the Shrubco pr things are not better in eyerack the home of the Shrub fantasy war game.
“But this Administration doesn’t talk about such consequences. Instead the White House charged the Democrats’ estimates are partisan and thus not to be believed.”
True enough. But I blame my fellow Democrats; our leadership. You don’t get anywhere unless you attack. This is yet another example of where the Democratic leadership ought to be at the forefront, just hammering away at the horrible economic policies outlined in the article.
But of course, I suppose all we’ll hear from our leadership is something akin to The Silence of the Lambs. Sigh.
Ghostman
You know, I have to give anyone willing to run for presidential office a certain amount of kudos for even doing it – what they will inherit is going to be such a horrific mess that one term couldn’t possibly touch it. I don’t know how much fixing up could be done in two terms, frankly.
It’s easy why this president can stand in front of adults and not get laughed out of the room: he never ever stands in front of anyone other than the brain dead 29%ers who couldn’t think for themselves if their life depended on it. Bush wouldn’t last for a minute in front of any 10 people posting here today.
alank @ 9
Yeah. I edited out the part about rotten tomatoes and public stocks, cause we don’t do that here.
So let me see if I’ve got this. They’re taking our money, and our children’s money, and the sacred lives of the American military, in order to gain more power? Hm.
Sheriff’s sales and foreclosures have more than doubled in my hometown in Ohio, and the school bond just failed—again. Thanks for all the prosperity, Repubs.
a dangerous president and a useless congress.
i think i’ve seen this movie before.
The saddest part is that we can watch this trainwreck, write about it but we cant do anything about stopping it.
I like this post from dailykos:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…../214712/29
tjb @ 7
there’s the thing, they are wrong when they say that
they got where they are becuase of the work the middle class did before us today, we are able to invest back into the economy becuase of the way the tax structure was set up, without that tax structure most of the wealthy today would be among the rest of us
we had a robber baron society and we will return to a robber baron society by re visiting the tax structures that don’t relieve weight from those who don’t have wealth yet
so when someone with money yells that he worked hard for his money the answer is “that’s right, you worked hard and were able to get rewarded, you did this becauase of the economic strategy that allowed it, now you are part of that strategy so PAY YOUR FRIGGIN BILLS AND STOP ASKING FOR WELLFARE FROM PEOPLE THAT CAN’T AFFORD IT
gets them every time
Cartoonist Dan Wasserman, Boston Globe, captures the theme.
snowbird42 @ 18
The cause of the depression engulfing my household many a morning.
Reading FDL helps. Finding a personal way to work for change, as so many here have noted, is the antidote…
Excellent first post this a.m., Scarecrow.
From yesterday’s thread:
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The somewhat bottom line is that this country condones torture, spying on it’s citizens, blanket immunity for the illegal actions of corporations, the removal of habeas corpus and holding people indefinitely without representation or even charging them with a crime, while they are tortured. Not to mention propagating illegal invasions of other countries with lies subsequently killing thousands of their own military personnel, hundreds of thousands of civilians of the invaded country while plunging their own country into debt at a level never before seen.
For those people who think who they vote for is going to make a difference.
It’s past time to wake up and see what your country does and what it currently stands for.
It has changed and it’s a million miles from what it used to be. We are a generation that has seen what this country does for our whole lives and been fed the finely tuned propaganda the whole time. Most have failed to recognize it for what it is. We cling to the hope that our government is not corrupt and that there is a chance of electing those who can turn it around.
Here’s some news:
It does not matter who is in office.
This country is a War Machine, pure and simple.
Which is exactly why ‘impeachment is off the table’ and this criminal admin. gets whatever they ask for.
eCAHNomics @ 4
And you choose to believe a News Source by an avowed enemy of the United States? That’s like getting your news from Tokyo Rose!
Btw, it’s a fine post. Something that needed to be said on the heels of the veto and attending Blight House message.
On the theme of investments we should be making, I thought
“>this op ed by the NYT Adam Cohen was worth while.
Scarecrow @ 21
OK, fine! Now that the water I was drinking just erupted through my nose… Really, I have to work today, and I didn’t need to spend ten minutes cleaning up my desk!
-MS
Here’s what I don’t get tho:
WHY DID THE DEMS SIGN THE DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION PART OF THE BUDGET?
That was the biggest part and the part Bushy most cared about. That was their negotiating chip. Why did they give that away? Another rollover?
Is it cuz Pelosi/DiFi make too much $$$ from defense contractors?
Great post, Scarecrow!
A little OT, but not too far…
Looks like NY Gov. Spitzer is falling on the sword for his favorite senator, Clinton, by dumping his ‘drivers’ licenses for all’ idea.
I suppose he knows who butters his bread.
“They can’t allow themselves to get dragged down by Bush’s political death wish, and they will do that by assuming they can bargain with him as if he’s a rational actor seeking a shared goal. They will gain nothing by trying to bargain in good faith with Bush.”
Ding, ding, ding!!!
Wake up, Harry! Can you hear us???
These guys only know how to do one dance – you can either keep doing the dance they want you to do…to decide to leave the dance. You don’t have to “dance with the guy what brung ya”. In this case, you can say, “I’m sorry, but you are rude, crude, and disgusting – I’m sitting this one out.”
Marie Roget @ 22
join you in the kudos to Scarecrow, as I join you in the depression and in coming back to FDL for my anti-depressant each morning.
Unfortunately, this a.m. FDL did not produce the hoped for results. It’s the “beyond the lifetime of anyone reading this page” in the quote that did it. Although the tears are
wellingflowing as of just this second, I will be back later knowing someone, commenter or poster, will be back with an extra dose of reason for hope.Yes indeed, Scarecrow!!! Launched off the planet with laughter at this fool. And people will be repeating those same words.
I feel strongly that Nancy Pelosi & Co. deserve some orbital laughter coming at them as well for saying “compromise is possible” jest about 9 months too long now. ‘Scuse me if I’m wrong, but Congress passed the bill he did sign as well, so where’s the scrutiny for that? They keep whining all the while giving him every single thing he wants. Every.Single.Thing.
I think there’s lots of laughter to go around here. :-)
I can’t quite muster the extra dose of reason for hope just yet (5:50 a.m. here in L.A.), but how about one of these?
((((((((((BlueStateRedHead)))))))))))
kdh22 @ 28
Interesting. My take on Ms. Clinton’s supposed gaffe in the debate: I don’t really know how I felt about Spitzer’s idea myself. That is, I empathize with her supposed “flip-flopping.”
It’s not a black and white issue. As a New Yorker, and as a progressive, I see two sides to this issue. Selfishly, my own driver’s license could have become a second-class identification (’tho Spitzer’s “two-tier” license compromise would have solved that). But I’m still not sold!
What do others (especially New Yorkers) think about that?
-MS
http://thumbsnap.com/v/RaYA50t8.jpg
Toby @ 29 – we are the guys that brung em to the dance. *uck George, *uck Congress.
My dear BlueState,
But not beyond the lifetime of the people that I love. We live not for ourselves alone, but for all the people that we cherish. Just as we bear the benefits of the sacrifices of our ancestors, we must cheerfully do our part.
Marie Roget @ 22
I find that I am less able to gear up for a fight. When have we last had a success?
Now its the Dems that are the problem.
BlueStateRedHead @ 30
In France unions are on strike, yippee!. Yep there are still places with unions and strikes are still an effective way of getting a message through. In this country no unions, no political opposition, no privacy, no freedom, no health care, no hope, nada, nothing, zilch. We are totally fuc**d.
BlueStateRedHead @ 30
Here is what’s possible within 4 years: Most US forces are out of Iraq, the worst of the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire in 2011; there is a major effort to enact some form of universal health care; there is a new commitment to deal with global climate change; alternative energy/fuels development gets major new investments; a massive public works program a la New Deal is begun to deal with aging infrastructure. And blogs not only displace/discredit Fox News as the major source of credible news and analysis, they become a major forum for democracy.
We have more than enough to work on that’s actually feasible. It’s not everything; it’s not guaranteed, and the push back will be horrific. I’d call that a worthy challenge.
Michael in Park Slope @ 26
There’s the anti-depressant I was hoping for. The FDL-guaranteed-to flood-your monitor/desk/breakfast plate-with-liquid humor.
The day had better start now, and will start better as everyday–thanks to the FDL community. ‘Though having a Boston cartoonist do that to a Park Sloper made this BlueStater laugh for non-FDL reasons.
From The Telegraph:
This is where we’re headed, on a bigger scale.
$1.4 billion. $1.4 trillion. Whatever.
Life styles of the rich and famous?
I recently watched the PBS coverage of the Dover Pennsylvania case when the school board tried to sneak creationism into the biology curriculum under the guise of intelligent design. It showed the kind of wingy origins of ID etc and the trial. To make a comparison, it seems Ronald Reagan at least tried to smuggle skewed economics as “trickle down.” I have yet to have heard chimpy’s euphemism. Does he have one?
Keith H. @ 23
Yes, it’s the logical conclusion of a steady inexorable trend, the unintended consequence of human actions, well-intended or otherwise. The current placeholder in the Blight House is so utterly delusional the likelihood increases that he’ll somehow attempt to fulfill the wishes of his Armageddonist acolytes. He tells the surviving families of soldiers killed in his manufactured wars, “they have gone to a better place.” He’s insistent about his “optimism” as he meets one severely wounded soldier after another at the privately funded rehab clinic at Fort Sam Houston, lately. There’s an emerging madness in the man, that matches his policies.
here’s my attempt at hopeful news… from the weekly list:
10 am – House Oversight and Government Reform
Hearing: Assessing the State Department Inspector General
Witness: Howard J. Krongard, Inspector General, U.S. Department of State
from waxman: “…the Committee will hold a hearing to assess the performance of State Department Inspector General Howard J. Krongard following a series of allegations that the Inspector General halted investigations, censored reports, and refused to cooperate with law enforcement agencies.”
scheduled to be on c-span3
I read a diary on Kos yesterday that talked about Hillary ignoring and putting down the blogs. She feels she can win without us.
I want to prove her wrong
Please, to hear that George Bush has used terms like teenager and immature in reference to others tests the strength of the blood vessels in my forehead. He should never use those terms, or “Caligula”, or drugstore cowboy, or frat rat, or spoiled brat without a mirror in his hand. Unfortunately, he was given our nation to play with for eight years.
mui @ 41
Solmething like “prosperity doctrine.”
selise @ 43
Let’s see now…how long does it take to say “Politicized the Department — Take him away.”
mui @ 42
Yes he does and it is called “piss on you”
Scarecrow @ 39
i’ don’t see how those needed investments are possible without a massive cut in the “defense” budget. and i don’t yet see a congress that even want to consider a cutback to war making pork. the push back will be bi-partisan and fierce.
BlueStateRedHead @ 39:
“‘Though having a Boston cartoonist do that to a Park Sloper made this BlueStater laugh for non-FDL reasons.”
Uhh.. Happy to help, I think?
-MS
This is another part of the hypocracy: “After almost seven years of this president, the United States is less prepared than ever to face the future. We have not been educating enough engineers and scientists, people with the skills we will need to compete with China and India.”
Bush has heralded his No Child Left Behind act as the most wonderful thing ever — but it is wrecking the educational system. He got it passed, and then refused to fund it as it should have been funded, leaving many school districts short on resources to implement it. In the meantime, it has created a whole new set of “standards” that teachers must teach to — and massive opportunities for micro-management.
My wife is a 2nd grade teacher at a Title 1 school. The teachers are being constantly beaten over the head to improve scores, while most of these kids are even lucky to get a hot meal.
NCLB is doing nothing but creating a bureaucratic nightmare that does not allow the teachers any leeway to do what they need to do — including preparing these kids for a future!
Why should Bush & Cheney care about this? After all, Bush now owns the largest underground aquifer in South America (Pargauay) and Cheney is busy setting up the $500/night global world government headquarters in Dubai. Probably financed by the House of Saud and constructed by bin Laden Construction Group.
While most think the summer temperatures in Dubai feel like hell, I bet Halliburton execs say it feels like home.
Morning all — Am looking for the free fax links that we used once upon a time. But am having no luck pulling them up this morning for some reason. Anyone know what I’m talking about — or have a link or two to share?
The 2002 IgNobel Prize in Mathematics was given to “The executives, corporate directors, and auditors of Enron, Lernaut & Hauspie [Belgium], Adelphia, Bank of Commerce and Credit International [Pakistan], Cendant, CMS Energy, Duke Energy, Dynegy, Gazprom [Russia], Global Crossing, HIH Insurance [Australia], Informix, Kmart, Maxwell Communications [UK], McKessonHBOC, Merrill Lynch, Merck, Peregrine Systems, Qwest Communications, Reliant Resources, Rent-Way, Rite Aid, Sunbeam, Tyco, Waste Management, WorldCom, Xerox, and Arthur Andersen, for adapting the mathematical concept of imaginary numbers for use in the business world. [NOTE: all companies are U.S.-based unless otherwise noted.]”
I believe many of these IgNobel laureates are now working at the Bush White House doing budget work.
[FDL opera buffs will want to check out the “Jargon Opera” from the 2002 IgNobel Awards ceremony: libretto, and video of full ceremony (not sure which clip has the opera)]
Sojourner @ 52
After 30 years as an educator “Every Child Left Behind” has been a disaster as has the push to privatize through vouchers. I am disgusted.
Michael in Park Slope @ 33
In my view, it wasn’t a “gaffe.” The media just called it that because they needed her vulnerable to create the horse race they love to cover. And they have no qualms about going after Clinton to create their own frames.
Her ambivalence was a defensible answer. Clinton understood what Spitzer was dealing with, knew is was politically difficult, and so gave the answer that this falls out from a national failure and the hostilities created by that. The next day, Edwards made a similar argument, saying the same folks should get a license/ID, but only if — etc. Obama was not forced to answer. Dodd took the easy way out.
Hillary’s “mistake” was to try to explain the complexity — exactly what pundits say they want candidates to do to avoid simplistic answers. This was a media manufactured phenomenon.
There is plenty about Clinton to challenge, but the “gaffe” is not one of them.
eCAHNomics @ 47
Or maybe the Economic Head Start program (advantaged only need apply.)
Thanks, Scarecrow, for reminding me of these possibles. An horrific pushback only means the goal is a critical one. And acheivable.
Leaving for work. Take good care of each other.
Read you all later.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 53
efax
Sojourner @ 51
Destroying the federal govt was part of the plan: to prove that govt doesn’t work, so that they can then privatize everything, especially schools.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 53
http://www.numbersusa.com/fax
Never used them myself.
Sojourner @ 52
The idea behind that program is to cut funding where it’s needed most. Schools who fail to meet some arbitrary standard established for one and all (despite idea of individual differences generally recognized in the conservative ethos), the school district does not get the funding made available for the program. It has the same effect as huge tax cuts for the rich. The schools with more money than they can shake a stick at get all the program funding. All the rest are left to fend for themselves or die.
How Emanuel Steals Your Contributions To Progressives!
This just really sticks in my craw!!! Turns out that the DCCC (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee) is “taxing” Democratic Congressional Reps on contributions so that they can support Blue Dogs selected by Rahm Emanuel!!! Emanuel has ordered House Democrats to raise a record $154 million-over four times the amount Republicans are trying to collect. Democratic incumbents have been told to transfer $50 million in “dues” from their Campaign re-election war chests to the DCCC and to raise another $104 million from outside donors.
Even Freshman Reps are expected to share their donations with the DCCC, who will decide which candidates meet their muster” in primaries and the General election.
And even worse, Congressmen in Committee positions are expected to “shake down” potential corporate donor. Talk about a recipe for corruption! By pressuring such Congressmen, who then have to find donors, it leads to the likelihood of quid pro quos
Barney Frank, who Chairs the Financial Services Committee is expected to come up with at least $1.5 million for the DCCC “common pool”.
And here’s why the leadership is in the pocket of corporate America. The Democratic Congressional Leadership while Freshman are expected to produce the least. But all this is according to plan. Pelosi and other DCCC leaders established the framework for the Democrats 237 Representatives as well as manyacting as non-voting delegates. Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland and Majority Whip James Clyburn of South Carolina were assigned to raise $3.3 million each. The schedule makes chief deputy whips responsible for making available $300,000 of their re-election funds to the DCCC and orders them to convince donors to provide an additional $500,000. The Chairs of the powerful Appropriations, Energy and Commerce, Rules, Financial Services, and Ways and Means must shell out $500,000 in “dues” and ask donors for $1 million directly to the DCCC. Membership on one of those Committees makes one responsible for raising a combined half million in contributions. The Chaors of the Judiciary and Oversight panels have been ordered to produce a combined $500,000 contribution. Subcommittee chairs and members are levied $200-$250,000.
All of this moneylaundering is curiously legal. Money transferred from campaign treasuries to the party can be done in unlimited amounts. Congress in 2002 banned unlimited private or corporate donations to national parties. But a donor can make hundreds of $2000 donations to individual Congressmen each Primary and General election cycle, along with their measly $10,000 to each of the Party Committees.
But about 40% of those “taxed” had yet to make any contributions for this election cycle.
“I’ve paid all my dues in all past cycles,” said Jane Harman, whose relationship with Pelosi was further strained over (being denied the House Intelligence) panel chairmanship. “I just have no comment.”
Maybe the progressives should band together and shift funds only to fellow progressives, rather than support Party leadership selections that will only further isolate their clout. In addition, when I contribute to a candidate…I DON’T intend that money to go off to support a Pro-Life, Pro-Iraq War Crypto-Segregationist torture advocate from Mississippi.
I’d point out that UNELECTED candidates are not subject to this “tax” on their campaign funds…so our contributions to them are as yet untainted by this money-laundering by Rahm, Hoyer, and Pelosi. So give generously to them.
I wonder what sort of Fuckery is occurring on the Senate side with Scheming Schumer and Harry “Thrown Fight” Reid ???
Watching Mr. Delusional deliver his Dems acting like teenagers with a credit card remarks really made me ill. Spoiled brat smirky cockiness. Uber projection with uber arrogance. A cartoon of Musharraf looking into bush’s eyes & saying nobody’s home is right on. How there can still be people that can’t or won’t recognize this is incredible.
Aargh. All of this is true, but it’s a hell of the way to start the day.
Scarecrow @ 57
I agree. I think she didn’t have a pat answer. Also with social security she got a little teed off by Russert (don’t blame her).And Barack Obama and others disingenously leaped into little rhetorical loopholes.
cinnamonape @ 64
Howie’s going to write the book.
cinnamonape at 63: For some reason, I have heard of this before. This is why it is so difficult – these folks have to be raising money all the time to feed the monster.
Scarecrow @ 58
The media saw an opportunity to promote a horse race scenario and exploited Clinton with the question about Spitzer’s plan. However, there is a NY Democrat heirarchy with the Clintons at the top (for obvious reasons) and the others occupying in the remaining spots below. Spitzer has/had no recourse. I believe he was mandated to back off the plan by those above him in the food chain. JMO
cinnamonape
egr bold.
I believe the 2-year combined limit for donations from individuals to all federal campaigns is $42,700. That’s only 18 Congressmen if you give them the maximum of $2,300.
Your point is valid about national party money slushing around to all sorts of unsavory folks.
LibertyLee @ 24
Liberty Lee…do you even KNOW the story of Tokyo Rose?? She was framed.
And Al Jazeera has never stated that they are an “enemy of the United States”. That’s just one more lie that you and your ilk can’t substantiate.
eCAHNomics @ 62
Yes. Also, while I can’t argue with the need for better education in math and engineering, it has always seemed to me that the teaching of history and civics must have declined over the past decades. While they don’t promise any direct payoff, they are essential to democracy and the fact that there is insufficient outrage at Bush Administrations blatent disregard for the Consititution points out the educational failures.
pma@72
The Age of Enlightement ended a long time ago. R.I.P.
i think part of the job description of politician is to be able to lie, and ignore the hypocrisy you pander in. otherwise, you would be, um, conflicted. and nobody wants that.
but the dems repeatedly show themselves to be kept and complicit. else they would actually take stands against this budget-busting, empire-breaking, treasure-sacking thief in the white house.
is the money that good?
Scarecrow @56:
“There is plenty about Clinton to challenge, but the “gaffe” is not one of them.”
Could not have said it better!
-MS
Morning all.
Off topic, but everyone can use some Daler Mehndi in the morning.
Enjoy!
cinnamonape @ 73
AlJaz has interesting coverage. There’s actually a great independant film on Al Jazeera. It actually includes the incident where an innocent AJ camera man was killed. (Possibly targeted by ChimpNit himself.)
The MIC is woven through america. We can’t cut it out without killing america. But that’s OK with me. America has gone very bad and turned into a war machine. When we are not dropping bombs from planes we are selling them.
We need to let the PEOPLE decide if they want to live inside a war machine economy.
The MIC was clever in spreading the pork projects through all the states so regardless of party they all need to bring this pork home.
We really need a way to transition from the war machine economy to a peacetime economy and get all the MIC workers employed in PEACE time projects. That is the ONLY way to get the MIC off our backs.
The DOD is the larges consumer of fuel in the world. something like 600MM gallons. They are destroying the environment as well as the economy.
A trillion dollars of anything is a lot. But most people don’t readily internalize just how much it is. That’s why I’m glad that the democratic report you linked to employs my favorite rhetorical device–division–to estimate that the war so far has cost about $21,000 per household.
If you went door to door asking, “Would you rather have $21,000, or the war in Iraq?” I have little doubt what the polling results would be.
The burn rate according to the report is about $2500 per year per household. Again, “Would you like your Senator to work to end the war in Iraq during the next year, or pay $2500?” would give pretty overwhelming results, I should think.
It’s a little sad that the dollar-cost rhetoric might be more likely to be effective than, say, the “Is it OK to kill half a million people to sate Georgie’s twisted psyche?” rhetoric, but we work with the polity we have…
LibertyLee @ 24
The Framing of Tokyo Rose
The sordid tale of how a Japanese American was falsely convicted of Treason…for playing music, reading POW messages to home, and accurately covering events in the US and elsewhere that Armed Forces radio wouldn’t air.
You don’t get coverage like this on Fox News.
kdh22 @ 29
Huh! It was Edwards, Obama and Dodd that attacked Spitzer. Hillary defended his plan. By attacking Hillary they gave the MSM more ammo to attack Spitzer. Not one of the candidates, except Clinton, supported Spitzer’s plan.
What sort of Bizarro World spin are you putting out?
LibertyLee @ 24
Erm,
Not every organization whose name begins with ‘al’ is an affirmed enemy.
However those who include ‘liberty’ in their names are suspect in my book.
Liberty Lee,
I see that you and Al Qaeda hold similar feelings towards Al Jazeera.
Does that make you a terrorist?
-GSD
mack @ 85
Well, I never trusted the Statue of Liberty, for that very reason. :)
All who stay within the rules are welcome.
cinnamonape @ 64
i don’t think the article says anything about emanuel. that said – great link, and i’m pissed too.
no wonder she doesn’t have any time to meet with constituents.
my bold.
how fucked up is that?
GSD @ 86
That’s right. AlJ has female news castors who ACK wear makeup?!?
I don’t understand how anyone from this Administration, especially this President, can stand before any group of adults (or teenagers) and not be laughed out of the room when he chastises the opposition for behaving like irresponsible children.
I think they must get free koolaid while waiting to get into the prescreened crowd while they are signing their loyalty oaths to King George.
Professor Foland @ 81
To clumsily paraphrase Charles Pinckney, “Millions for defense, but not one cent for a trumped-up, imperialistic, adventurist, neocon war.”
Mika is tearing Tancredo up on MSNBC!
GO MIKA!
Scarecrow @ 87
To which I skirted rather close, I admit.
As for the Statue, it is a French Trojan Horse.
Selise — we should probably have a discussion of who we’d like to see as Committee chairs, etc. I don’t think Marcy would vote for Jello Jay for Senate Intelligence, and I think DiFi should just be removed from Justice and Intelligence and relegated to some committee where she can only be corrupt in wasting money and not destructive of the Constitution.
cinnamonape @ 72
maybe it’s a different understanding of the word “enemy” – perhaps liberty lee thinks an enemy is someone who has a different opinion or perspective.
mui @ 89
They probably don’t have the propaganda tendencies quite like a rupert murdoch outfit.
Party fund raising is used by congressional leaders to help determine committee assignments. The DCCC document shows that two lawmakers who were overlooked this year to head the House Intelligence Committee — Representatives Alcee Hastings of Florida and Jane Harman of California — haven’t donated dues. Hastings said he’ll pay after primary season, and Harman declined to comment.
So, in other words – you gotta pay to play, right? Best person for the job has nuthin’ to do with it. It’s whoever can pony up the most.
Now THAT’s disgusting.
kdh22 @ 29
Oh…and the plan wasn’t “drivers license for all”…individuals would simply not have been required to show that they were citizens. They could demonstrate other forms of identification to establish identity. And they still had to pass all the driving tests. The purpose was to allow undocumented workers to obtain insurance rather than to drive without qualifying (or even desiring to) and to have the documentation to prevent them from being involved in high liability accidents while uninsured.
The procedure would make the NY State license inapplicable as proof of citizenship….which it never was anyway. And “anybody” who passes an appropriate Driving Exam can drive in the US anyways. Ever hear of the “International Drivers License”?
mack @ 93
Did the French come out? I missed that.
It’s easy for Bush to stand up in front of hand picked audiences and not be laughed out of the room. These audiences are nothing more than trained seals, pavlovian dogs who respond with adoring adoration when the right buttons are pushed. The MSM is complicit in allowing this to happen.
myself @ 91:
Sorry, Prof. Folland. I interposed my comment in the middle of your statement.
Scarecrow @ 93
that sounds like a great idea!
cinnamonape @ 84
See my #71. I’m not spinning, just offering an opinion. You don’t have to like it.
Speakin’ of the Rupert Murdoch outfit…is Faux News the face of the Southern Strategery?
Of course.
Liberty Lee belongs to the easily influenced class who were dumping out bottles of French wine 3 years ago and are now buying baguettes and truffles in honor of Sarkozy.
The Invent a Bogeyman industry loves these rubes.
-GSD
GSD @ 86
Olbermann last evening gave voice to something which deserves distilling and repetition.
al Quaida’s stated objective is to cause the US to diminish it’s own power out of fear.It is called asymetric warfare.
When attacking a vastly more powerful opponent, you use terror to cause the opponent to self-destruct.
The simple answer is this: proportional response.
You wouldn’t swat a fly on your head with a 2 x 4. But the fly community would cheer if you did. Especially if you miss.
al Quaida cannot succeed without affirmative assistance from the US Government.
So far they are doing pretty well.
cinnamonape @ 73
Tokyo Rose was tried and convicted by a jury of her peers of treason. Why folks here defend the enemies of the United States is beyond me.
kdh22 @ 102
not impossible, either. after all, clinton may have the most to loose politically if spitzer was to continue to push his plan. not saying this is so – but we’ve been seeing an awful lot of politicians say one thing and then act to acheive the opposite.
GSD @ 105
Lol. You know, I missed the number of troops and francs Sarkozy was going to sink into reconstruction of Iraq. Still, it’s nice not to have to try and think of synonyms for favorite Republican terms, like “entrepreneur.”
Bluetoe @ 98
Yes, and now what about this brouhaha concerning Ms. Clintons’ supposed “seeding” her audience with “plants” giving pre-arranged answers? It’s a lovely thing to see the MSM in full-tilt spin…
-MS
cinnamonape @ 98
Well yes. You don’t have to be a citizen to drive in the US. Which is good because we still need to fill brain jobs in academia, hospitals, pharma companies, etc. etc. Discrimination would make the US an even more unattractive prospect. And some people don’t want to be a fricking citizen.
even more ot – the reason i haven’t mentioned the sjc fisa markup tomorrow is that christy’s question about fax numbers makes me think she will have a post on it coming up. but, if hell should freeze over and she doesn’t…. *g*
selise @ 107
Thanks, selise, that was my point. Russert (read: MSM) posed the question (read: the MSM knew her position already or they wouldn’t have gone for her throat). It’s a politcal campaign, cinnamonape. It’s gonna get uglier, so brace yourself.
GSD @ 86
That’s like reporting that all fights between Communists in the Cold War represented nothing more than disagreement as to tactics. They were just upset because they thought their “sheik” was being too tough on the terrorists–for LOSING! (Which is proof incidentally that the surge is working and we are WINNING)…
If Hillary Clinton had only said, “There you go again,” we would be singing her praises as the second “Great Communicator.” Instead she tried to think on her feet about a complex problem for which, like Iraq, there is no good answer.
GSD @ 105
Isn’t it nice that Sarkozy is again on OUR side? Why shouldn’t we celebrate French Fries in addition to our Freedom Fries?
I still think the best way get Bush out of office would be to surround the White House and chant “Loooooo-ser, Loooooo-ser!” all night long. Bet just one or two nights would do it.
We probably don’t have the freedom to do that anymore, do we? Work with me, here, people.
OT, but the FBI report says that Blackwater had no justification in the recent murder of 14 Iraqis. It’s important to consider this may be a portent for things to come in the U.S. when Blackwater is given contracts to protect American streets. America’s modern day Hessians.
INTERRUPTION:
REMEMBER: This is national ‘FDRwhammofascist Awareness Week.’
Please make your neighbours aware of the dangers of spending money on school-lunch programs.
We now return to our regularly scheduled trillion dollar destruction of Iraq.
Christy has a new thread ready.
LibertyLee @ 24
And just how is that meaningfully different from believing Fox News or CNN?
I believe that all of us here have been around the block a few times, and have tuned and re-tuned our bulls**t detectors. Y’all oughta try it some time. The truth will set you free, if you can find it buried under the daily pile of lies that emanates from the White House.
FWIW, I’m not opposed to Spitzer’s plan. The genie is already out of the bottle wrt the huge number of undocumented immigrants here in the US. Let’s get them trained to drive here, at least that way there’s no excuse if someone gets hurt or worse, killed.
I, for once, agree with Sen. Clinton on this. I’m going to the hospital now. I think I’m sick. *g*
My goodness. Thru double tasking & not doing a hard refresh, I completely missed Liberty Lee accusing me of getting my news from the enemy. First, I’d point out that, were AJ the “enemy”, it would be good to know what they are saying. Second, I have now listened to it for about 5-6 hours & have heard nothing that is the slightest bit propagandic (and I have well developed sensors for that kind of stuff), but have heard several stories that would never find their way into U.S. media, or even BBS, like politics & economics of Cambodia, in-depth story on Uigurs, and one other topic that slips my mind at the moment. LL should give it a listen & perhaps LL would learn something.
http://english.aljazeera.net/N…..62E31A.htm
BTW, the last I heard, the First Amendment hadn’t been repealed yet.
pma @ 114
true and you make a good point.
and now my snark at the situation:
we all know this is simply not allowable.
10 second answers to everything and most importantly-
KEEP KUCHINICH’S MOUTH SHUT!!!
NO COVERAGE FOR KUCHINICH!!!
cinnamonape @ 82
Actually, The Framing of Tokyo Rose was an essay by the late James J. Martin.
Michael in Park Slope @ 34
Well, consider the fact that International students resident in NY State can obtain a NY State Drivers license.
Consider the fact that visiting foreign businessmen can obtain a NY State license.
And consider the fact that foreign tourists can legally drive in NY with a “second tier” license called the International Drivers License…without even having to take any sort of examination on NY State Driving Regulations. The only thing about that license is that it is obtained abroad! You can’t use an International License obtained here in the US to drive IN the US.
I don’t view Spitzers original suggestion as a panacaea. But once one gets off the idea that a Driver’s License represents identification of CITIZENSHIP…rather than identification of “residency” and “qualification to drive”…it makes it much easier to see the logic of allowing this.
Undocumented workers would no longer have a disincentive to actually formally learning to drive and understanding the State laws and legal requirements to be on the road. They would have a license that wouldn’t be used to say “illegal” if they were stopped. They could be fined for traffic infractions (and have an incentive to pay); they could obtain insurance and would be encouraged to have a clean record.
Without the opportunity to obtain a license they will drive, unisured, without one, or obtain a fake one under a false name. Their knowledge of driving on NY Highways would be off-the-street. they’d be more likely to flee from the scene of accidents, or even to “run” if they were being pulled over for a simple fix-it infraction, such as a brake light failure.
Waging war on credit cards?
Maybe right now someone in the maladministration should be waging war on chlamydia – and worse – before it’s too late.
I am also going to add that US universities have a long history of benefiting from attracting intellectuals *and* students from other countries. Think albert einstein. The health industry benefits from attracting patients and personnel from abroad as well. We could go on and on. Once dialogue spins into a sort of outrage about drivers license and who should be entitled to drive, wingier types begin to shove their racist sentiments into the national dialogue. Like Dobbs. It worries me. Living in a bubble will only make this country less competitive.
I have started a new political party called the Liberal Democratic Party of the United States. You can read the web page at http://www.dmocrats.org and you will find that this party works differently from other political parties. Take a look and help enact progressive legislation and end the war where you work as a legislator and you vote on legislation.
All part of the plan. Starve the government. Then when they need to, they can plead poverty and shut down social programs. And with willing Democrats in congress, it’s working!
I havent read all the comments so maybe already commented but the Dem staff war cost estimate didnt attribute all of the oil price increase to the war, rather only a very conservative $5/BBL.
LDPUS @129
If we had a parliamentary system this would be a useful suggestion. But we don’t, so it’s not.
Michael in Park Slope @ 52
Sorry, I was too busy trying not to do with tea what you did with water to say that my BlueState is Massachusetts. Also speaking in code because sports references are not always well considered here.
Since you ask:
Park Slope = New York (ok, Brooklyn, but since 189x, part of New York)
New York= Yankees
Boston Globe (although in the interest of full disclosure wholly owned by the NYT)= Red Sox
Globe getting a reaction out of a New Yorker, even an FDL friend, who may be a Yankee fan=
priceless. Not because Yankees s**k, but because it shows the greater cause and Pupdom outweighs the so-called greatest rivalry.
Unless it’s another Park Slope, but for this ex-New Yorker, that Park Slope is the first one that came to mind (and beautiful neighborhood it is, too).
‘nough already
Cinnamonape @ 123:
“But once one gets off the idea that a Driver’s License represents identification of CITIZENSHIP…rather than identification of “residency” and “qualification to drive”…it makes it much easier to see the logic of allowing this.”
Are you sure about this (I admit to NOT being sure)? I seem to have needed my NYS driver’s license (in lieu of my passport) when travelling to places where a passport is not required (Puerto Rico comes to mind).
BTW, are you a New Yorker? Just askin…
-MS
Toby Wollin @ 70
I’m sure Jane or Howie will have something up on this soon…in more depth. I don’t know how the Senate is running their show…but I can’t believe that Schumer (DSCC) isn’t doing the same thing.
The only strategy I can see to avoid it entirely is to contribute ONLY to those progressives who are not yet part of the Party Machinery.
Or donate to those that expressly state that they will not contribute to the DCCC. And since these folks likely won’t be supported in return they need even more support from “progressive” contributors across the country. This doesn’t mean that particularly wealthy or positioned Congressmen can’t simply say, F*G You to Rahm…and still curry support by doling out cash to the campaigns that they feel will advance the “progressive” cause. Imagine, for example, if Barney Frank said, “I’ll support the Party…but I’m not gonna put my contributors money into campaigns where the Candidate is opposed to GLBT rights”.
But then perhaps he would face the axe as Committee Chair.
This circumstance may also provide a clue as to what happened to folks like McNerney. Perhaps they were co-opted by the requirement to raise money to the “common pool” that Rahm Emanuel dispenses back like some feudal lord. To raise this sort of money they have to kowtow to the big business interests in their districts, and to get money back they have to suck up to Prince Rahm.
LibertyLee @24:
Is Al Jazeera really an “avowed enemy” of the United States? Do you know what “avowed” means? Please find me a quote where “Al Jazeera” (do you mean a producer, a contributor, what?) “vows” enmity towards us. I suspect you won’t and this is, as scarecrow puts it above, “hypocritical projection” on your part: after all, we’ve purposely killed Al Jazeera journalists.
I’m done responding to you, LL, but to everyone else, let these inane, amnesiac comments be a reminder that fifteen years ago the U.S. used to be (relatively) popular in the Arab world.
Michael in Park Slope @ 134
No worries about that. A drivers license does not represent citizenship at all. My significant other being Chinese has to supply copious documentation to go *anywhere*. Oh and he has a drivers license. First it was a non-drivers type license. At any rate not even Tommy Kayes would accept the non-drivers license. So out comes the passport. Then he may or may not be refused by the idiot clerk who looks at the Chinese and sees *chirp, chirp, birdy, birdy* and I don’t know what. Yes it pisses me off.
BlueStateRedHead @ 130
Well, ya got the right Park Slope (Brooklyn, that is). And, at least my neighborhood is every bit as blue as the Bay State.
Wrong team, ‘tho. Hate the American League (inluding the Red Sox AND the Yankees). Lifetime Phillies fan (we WILL avenge 1915 – promise!).
But the cartoon WAS funny…
-MS
Marie Roget @ 33
more tears, of gratitude. and at 5:50 am.
egregious @ 37
Precious words, to be printed out and consulted daily. Especially from a commenter who makes such an egregiously generous contribution to this community (and who took the time to teach me how to do use
strikeyesterday).Thank you, egregious, Marie Roget, Mr. Park Slope, Nomolos, and always and forever, Jane for making a place for all of us to meet to imagine and plan the sacrifices and make material sacrifices by giving to our candidates.
Now, in the Punaise tradition of FDL, I have to strike out on my own for the rest of the day.
Bye pups, see you soon, and Nomolos, a bientot.
(((((BlueState)))))
mui @ 59
mui @ 43
The big one that the ID movement tried to push off was “Teaching The Controversy”…as if anything was really controversial to the Scientific Community about the basic concepts of Evolution (common ancestry, change through time, adaptation to environments). And ID’s
Wedge Strategy was actually a much broader attack on the basic precepts of ALL Science and even Rationalism itself. It attacked the concept of “Methodological Naturalism”~thel methodological assumption that observable events in nature are explained only by natural causes without assuming the existence or non-existence of the supernatural.
Imagine teaching History with the assumption that there was a creator dabbling in selecting leaders, manufacturing disasters, causing the rise and fall of nations because they were selected. Curses, omens, prophesies and all the stuff of the dark Ages would be perfectly appropriate…with the only discriminating issue being what religion contained those “explanations”.
ID wanted to completely transform America into a pre-”Age of Rationalism” state…with religion pervading everything from politics, jurisprudence, economics, and Science…to Art, Music, and Family life. Just read the “Wedge Document” – it’s there in their own F*ckin’ words.
brendan @ 136
See:
http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/5116_0_2_0_C
Peterr @ 56
They put the FIB into the Fibonacci Numbers! Hopefully the law of transposition allows the FBI to get into the equation. That would have been more likely if the correct AL GOR ITHM had been inserted into the Primaries. But I guess we’ll have to accept some Tertiary Factors.
Is Sir David Frost (who now works for Al-Jaz), also an avowed enemy of the US?
No need for any silly answers, since it’s a purely a rhetorical question of course.
But having said that – DUH!
LibertyLee @ 107
Do you even understand the word “framed”???? The government both withheld exonerating evidence and provided false evidence at the trial.
The jury acted upon what evidence was provided. But the trial itself was rigged.
In 1974, investigative journalists found key witnesses had lied during testimony and other serious problems with the conduct of the trial. She was pardoned by U.S. President Gerald Ford in 1977, becoming the only U.S. citizen convicted of treason to be pardoned.
LibertyLee @143:
I read the contents of your link. Where is the “avowal”? The authors assert that Al Jazeera contributors and those Americans not unfavorably disposed to the network are propagandists and/or dupes. How is the refusal to call Hezbollah “terrorists”, for example, an avowal of enmity?
You have a problem that I’m not going to be able to remedy. You credulously and passionately seize at slogans but you don’t know what the words you use mean (the authors of the article you link to have the same problem — they don’t seem to have a clue, for example, what “petrodollars” are and compound their ignorance by using the inept, demagogic phrase “Arab oil petrodollars”).
You’re in over your head here. You show irremediable deficiencies of intellect and temperament — on one hand you have a burning need to believe liars, while on the other hand the principles of empiricism are alien to you. Whether Al-Jazeera is propaganda or not — or even whether it’s worse than our own propaganda — is secondary to the question of why you’re so afraid of it. I know you’re going to continue to hide your head in the sand, so go ahead — I wish you just didn’t bother to come up for air again to make comments on this site.
LL you need to change your name to Liberty(as defined by the state and “the decider”)Lee or Give me Liberty(from my inane predjudices)Lee.
Back to the Ghost Dance!
LibertyLee @ 116
Off topic…but do you know that Sauerkraut once had to be called “Liberty Cabbage” (now I know where Liberty Lee got his name ;-)
And that the “hamburger” name was changed to “Salisbury Steak” during WWI…even though it apparently was really named after Hamburg, NY…not the city in Germany! White Castle laso changed the name originally, but called them’ Slyders” (Ewwwwwww!).
And that the rarely used “Hot Dog” became popular during WWI as anti-German sentiment compelled “Famous Nathan” Handwerker to change the name of Frankfurters to “Hot Dog” at his Coney Island stand. Handwerker also had to emphasize his Polish heritage, fearing he would be labelled a German.
Tax revenues are at an all time high, even with the “Tax cuts for the rich”:
http://taxprof.typepad.com/tax…..feder.html
If you don’t like this one, there are a lot of charts out there which show the same thing.
Also, because the Dems are spending money on Health care, Children, and the environment, doesn’t mean it is good money spent. Politicians have a way of putting forth garbage pork laden policies and attaching cute header to the bill making it seem like it is for a just cause, especially the Dems. The Republicans got fired from their jobs for pulling crap like this (and rightfully so).
A forecast if the Dems don’t change their ways: The Republicans are going to take control of the Senate in 2008. Control will still be with the Dems in the house, but on a much tighter margin. Pelosi will stay on in 2008, but Reid will be gone in 2010.
mui @ 128
Sadly even Edwards, in his effort to establish a reasonable position that differed from Clinton and Spitzer stated that he wanted a system that only allowed Drivers licenses to Citizens or those “on the road to Citizenship”. Imagine how many International Students, Visiting Professors and Foreign Businessmen would be awfully pissed at having to walk around the country.
Michael in Park Slope @ 134
Born in Albany…but haven’t lived there since the mid 1970’s. So technically not.
I’m legally a Buttinski.
LibertyLee @ 143
I’ll repeat. Do you know what “avowed” means? Simply because you and Brent Bozell say they are an “enemy of the US” does NOT mean that they have ever made a “VOW” to be an enemy of the United States.
Provide a source where Al Jazeera’s owner, the Qatari Government, has ever declared war on the US!
LibertyLee @116:
Celebrate your french fries by yourself.
WTF?
I guess this is another “avowed enemy” of the United States:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cécilia_Sarkozy
cinnamonape @ 151
It would be a f*cking disastor for the University system, among other things.
And think of how many academics, engineers, doctors don’t want to be on the road to citizenship. Are happy with permanent residency and proud of their identities.
At the IRS business mileage rate of 48.5 cents per mile, the George W Bush regime has driven a third of a light year in new national debt.
wouldn’t we consider a teenager who used a credit card for healthcare and education (rather than junk food, clothes, etc.) to be responsible???
realworld @ 5
The reasoning I hear is that given the upcoming war appropriations bills next year, the Dems want to be able to defend against GOP accusations of “not funding the troops” by pointing to their passing this bill.
egregious @ 37
So true…well said, egregious.
What’s the penalty for not forking over Progressive contributions to the DCCC?
Do Progressives get any say in which candidates the DCCC supports?
Why give money to people we have already expressly decided NOT to support?
Michael in Park Slope @ 77
I didn’t hear any gaffe.
All I heard was Clinton saying she ‘thought the spitzer plan was a good idea’, but that ‘I [clinton] didn’t say I support it.’
She took both sides of the issue within the span of about 3 minutes.
I still haven’t heard her clarify her position. I guess that’s why they killed the policy altogether — to save Hillary from having to say ‘yes’ or ‘no’.
Does she support that policy idea or not?
Don’t forget the cost of future Tim McVeighs.
peony @ 160
Yeah, but we’ll be accused of “not supporting the troops” anyway.
Two words suffice to solve only a small part of what this excuse for a phewsident has done to Our country, well three with the addition of “Teh”.
Impeach teh son of a bitch.
That’s millions, not billions, in the bill that Bush wants to veto.