Comments on: Hunting for the Hammer to Haul Hillary Down http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:34:46 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Tanbark http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097886 Tanbark Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:20:12 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097886 <p>Tam; her lead over Obama in N.H. is 10 points, down from 21.</p> Tam; her lead over Obama in N.H. is 10 points, down from 21.

]]> By: tam1MI http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097830 tam1MI Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:56:26 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097830 <blockquote><p>From recently released figures, it’s a <b>dead heat</b> in Iowa between the Hillary, Edwards and Obama. Big dog mad.</p></blockquote> <p>Take a look at the New Hampshire figures, though. Her lead is widening there. Any momentum a challenger has coming out of Iowa will be immediately blunted, if not reversed. This “Iowa Uber Alles” attitude that Edwards and Obama have is going to come back and bite them in the ass. They need to start looking beyond Iowa and start tearing down Hillary’s firewalls in the other states.</p>

From recently released figures, it’s a dead heat in Iowa between the Hillary, Edwards and Obama. Big dog mad.

Take a look at the New Hampshire figures, though. Her lead is widening there. Any momentum a challenger has coming out of Iowa will be immediately blunted, if not reversed. This “Iowa Uber Alles” attitude that Edwards and Obama have is going to come back and bite them in the ass. They need to start looking beyond Iowa and start tearing down Hillary’s firewalls in the other states.

]]> By: deandra http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097760 deandra Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:19:04 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097760 <blockquote><p>“I’m not interested in attacking my opponents, I’m interested in tackling the problems of America,” she said last weekend at a Democratic dinner in Iowa.</p></blockquote> <p>This is her wishful projection, trying to get her opponents to stop criticizing her <em>inevitability</em>. </p> <p>From recently released figures, it’s a <b>dead heat</b> in Iowa between the Hillary, Edwards and Obama. Big dog mad.</p>

“I’m not interested in attacking my opponents, I’m interested in tackling the problems of America,” she said last weekend at a Democratic dinner in Iowa.

This is her wishful projection, trying to get her opponents to stop criticizing her inevitability.

From recently released figures, it’s a dead heat in Iowa between the Hillary, Edwards and Obama. Big dog mad.

]]> By: Jo-Ann http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097628 Jo-Ann Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:40:26 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097628 <p>Swopa, great post. It’s good that opinions expressed here are open minded and not GOP talking points. Hillary is now getting equal consideration and that’s a big improvement here. May the best person win. I will vote for the Democratic nominee, whomever that may be.</p> Swopa, great post. It’s good that opinions expressed here are open minded and not GOP talking points. Hillary is now getting equal consideration and that’s a big improvement here. May the best person win. I will vote for the Democratic nominee, whomever that may be.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097500 cinnamonape Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:34:13 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097500 <p><a href="#comment-1096706"><em>lauren @ 98</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>from the johnewards.com website:<br /> John Edwards’ Plan To End The War In IraqPODCAST: John Edwards at Riverside Church<br /> “We must show the Iraqis that we are serious about leaving by actually starting to leave, with an immediate withdrawal of 40,000-50,000 troops and a complete withdrawal within nine to ten months. We should leave behind in Iraq only a brigade of 3,500 to 5,000 troops to protect the embassy and possibly a few hundred troops to guard humanitarian workers….. After withdrawal, we should retain sufficient forces in Quick Reaction Forces located outside Iraq, in friendly countries like Kuwait, to prevent an Al Qaeda safe haven, a genocide, or regional spillover of a civil war”. </p> <p>“Edwards believes we should intensify U.S. efforts to train the Iraqi security forces.”</p></blockquote> <p>With whom? Where? In Iraq?</p> <p>Like the idea of staged withdrawal. Don’t like the idea of having a brigade still there “to protect the embassy”…while others are used to protect humanitarian workers. The brigade will start to be used for additional things….such as protecting those troops used to protect humanitarian workers. It’s called mission creep.</p> <p>Similarly…you put a couple of brigades just outside of Iraq in Kuwait and they’ll soon be used back in Iraq. And they will have to establish bases back in Iraq to accomplish their missions. It’s simply impossible logistically to have a viable anti-terrorist/ anti-civil war unit commuting into the country daily and then back out again at dusk.</p> lauren @ 98

from the johnewards.com website:
John Edwards’ Plan To End The War In IraqPODCAST: John Edwards at Riverside Church
“We must show the Iraqis that we are serious about leaving by actually starting to leave, with an immediate withdrawal of 40,000-50,000 troops and a complete withdrawal within nine to ten months. We should leave behind in Iraq only a brigade of 3,500 to 5,000 troops to protect the embassy and possibly a few hundred troops to guard humanitarian workers….. After withdrawal, we should retain sufficient forces in Quick Reaction Forces located outside Iraq, in friendly countries like Kuwait, to prevent an Al Qaeda safe haven, a genocide, or regional spillover of a civil war”.

“Edwards believes we should intensify U.S. efforts to train the Iraqi security forces.”

With whom? Where? In Iraq?

Like the idea of staged withdrawal. Don’t like the idea of having a brigade still there “to protect the embassy”…while others are used to protect humanitarian workers. The brigade will start to be used for additional things….such as protecting those troops used to protect humanitarian workers. It’s called mission creep.

Similarly…you put a couple of brigades just outside of Iraq in Kuwait and they’ll soon be used back in Iraq. And they will have to establish bases back in Iraq to accomplish their missions. It’s simply impossible logistically to have a viable anti-terrorist/ anti-civil war unit commuting into the country daily and then back out again at dusk.

]]> By: Katie http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097420 Katie Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:23:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097420 <p>As a Ca progressive Dem did not vote for Feinstein so do not have her on my conscience and it seems that the only way to ever change is to not vote this people in again.Ditto for the Clinton team. It is a disaster waiting to happen and I for one will no longer jump on the bandwagon and hold my nose to do it. We as a party have choices and up to all of us to do the right thing.We will continue to go down this path until things are so out of balance and bad that a change has to come. So will support the progressives and not support the entrenced at all. Period .and that includes if she gets the nod.refuse to suppost and condone any further corruption and a team of power hungry sell outs.just because and especially if the name is Clinton=more telecom , Nafta, war, etc anyone!Not to mention Penn,McAuliff,Carville, Emanuel, and the myriad of others that work to destroy us all. Yes I know The Repugs are lots worse,but is this the rally cry really?</p> As a Ca progressive Dem did not vote for Feinstein so do not have her on my conscience and it seems that the only way to ever change is to not vote this people in again.Ditto for the Clinton team. It is a disaster waiting to happen and I for one will no longer jump on the bandwagon and hold my nose to do it. We as a party have choices and up to all of us to do the right thing.We will continue to go down this path until things are so out of balance and bad that a change has to come. So will support the progressives and not support the entrenced at all. Period .and that includes if she gets the nod.refuse to suppost and condone any further corruption and a team of power hungry sell outs.just because and especially if the name is Clinton=more telecom , Nafta, war, etc anyone!Not to mention Penn,McAuliff,Carville, Emanuel, and the myriad of others that work to destroy us all. Yes I know The Repugs are lots worse,but is this the rally cry really?

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097350 cinnamonape Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:44:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097350 <p><a href="#comment-1096481"><em>Loo Hoo. @ 42</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1078211"><em>Connecticut Bob @ 9</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Speaking of that clip, even CNN said that it was copied directly from my blog! </p> <p><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ios0_cnn-on-ctbob_politics">http://www.dailymotion.com/vid.....b_politics</a></p> <p>Wished I’d gotten as many hits…Lamont would probably be our senator right now if I did!</p></blockquote> <p>You’re famous! How does it feel? Do you have to hire security?</p> <p>By the way, I think Hillary looks beautiful in the 1984 YouTube! You think they’d have chosen a less flattering picture.</p></blockquote> <p>And the quotes are anything but “fear provoking”. Strip it from the forced audience of proles forced to hear it and the blue screen…it’s nothing. One could put any candidate up on that screen: Edwards, Obama himself, Dodd, heck…Nelson Mandela…saying the same thing. Yawn! Why not select something from her stance on Iran, or Israel? Oh wait…Obama isn’t that far off on the latter. </p> <p>Now if you had any of the Republican candidates up there you could obtain HOURS of ominous comments about everything from torture to the NSA wiretapping. And they’d do it with a smirk.</p> Loo Hoo. @ 42

Connecticut Bob @ 9

Speaking of that clip, even CNN said that it was copied directly from my blog!

http://www.dailymotion.com/vid…..b_politics

Wished I’d gotten as many hits…Lamont would probably be our senator right now if I did!

You’re famous! How does it feel? Do you have to hire security?

By the way, I think Hillary looks beautiful in the 1984 YouTube! You think they’d have chosen a less flattering picture.

And the quotes are anything but “fear provoking”. Strip it from the forced audience of proles forced to hear it and the blue screen…it’s nothing. One could put any candidate up on that screen: Edwards, Obama himself, Dodd, heck…Nelson Mandela…saying the same thing. Yawn! Why not select something from her stance on Iran, or Israel? Oh wait…Obama isn’t that far off on the latter.

Now if you had any of the Republican candidates up there you could obtain HOURS of ominous comments about everything from torture to the NSA wiretapping. And they’d do it with a smirk.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097336 cinnamonape Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:37:13 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097336 <p><a href="#comment-1096473"><em>dakine01 @ 34</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1096460"><em>Sarah Deere, Not Complacent @ 24</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Is there truth to what I have heard that HC will choose Rahm Emanuel as her Veep?</p> <p>This seems horrible.</p></blockquote> <p>That may be wishful thinking on the part of either fans of Rahm or those who dislike both HRC and Rahm.</p> <p>I would doubt it though as I have heard that HRC tried to get Big Dog to fire Rahm when he was working on white House staff so that alone makes it suspect that she would select him as VP.</p></blockquote> <p>No one selects a VEEP from a state where one has political strength. One always goes for balance, geographically and policy-wise. One wants to attract those voters who see the VEEP selection as an indicator of interest and recognition by the andidate that they’ll listen to that groups concerns. Thus Kennedy selected LBJ, Reagan took on Bush, Californian Nixon took Maryland’s Agnew…taking someone from ones natal State with similar ideology ain’t gonna happen.</p> dakine01 @ 34

Sarah Deere, Not Complacent @ 24

Is there truth to what I have heard that HC will choose Rahm Emanuel as her Veep?

This seems horrible.

That may be wishful thinking on the part of either fans of Rahm or those who dislike both HRC and Rahm.

I would doubt it though as I have heard that HRC tried to get Big Dog to fire Rahm when he was working on white House staff so that alone makes it suspect that she would select him as VP.

No one selects a VEEP from a state where one has political strength. One always goes for balance, geographically and policy-wise. One wants to attract those voters who see the VEEP selection as an indicator of interest and recognition by the andidate that they’ll listen to that groups concerns. Thus Kennedy selected LBJ, Reagan took on Bush, Californian Nixon took Maryland’s Agnew…taking someone from ones natal State with similar ideology ain’t gonna happen.

]]> By: dude http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097334 dude Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:36:41 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097334 <p>HRC may be a strong campaigner, but she is not the answer and she is not going to be of any assistance whatever to most other Democrats running for election or re-election. And as for dynasty, I think the representation is accurate. The nearly 20 years of the same people in government, in the press, in each other’s faces—I’m sorry, that isn’t what America needs. I think saying Hillary wasn’t president before (so that doesn’t count) is hogwash. Bill Clinton ran originally claiming “two for the price of one” and nobody ever doubted it. Nobody doubted HRC led the failed battle for better health care into the toilet either, Bill’s mea culpa notwithstanding. And now to argue that she is presidential material based on two terms in the Senate makes her a junior to Dodd and Biden—you’re trying to have it both ways on the experience issue and it does not wash.</p> <p>I will stick with Edwards. The man knows how to fight and he knows what he is fighting for—and so do we. With Hillary, you just never know.</p> HRC may be a strong campaigner, but she is not the answer and she is not going to be of any assistance whatever to most other Democrats running for election or re-election. And as for dynasty, I think the representation is accurate. The nearly 20 years of the same people in government, in the press, in each other’s faces—I’m sorry, that isn’t what America needs. I think saying Hillary wasn’t president before (so that doesn’t count) is hogwash. Bill Clinton ran originally claiming “two for the price of one” and nobody ever doubted it. Nobody doubted HRC led the failed battle for better health care into the toilet either, Bill’s mea culpa notwithstanding. And now to argue that she is presidential material based on two terms in the Senate makes her a junior to Dodd and Biden—you’re trying to have it both ways on the experience issue and it does not wash.

I will stick with Edwards. The man knows how to fight and he knows what he is fighting for—and so do we. With Hillary, you just never know.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097319 cinnamonape Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:29:43 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/14/hunting-for-the-hammer-to-haul-hillary-down/#comment-1097319 <p><a href="#comment-1096454"><em>Eureka Springs @ 19</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Yes Swopa, all three front runners lining up for extended Iraqi occupation and leaving all options on the table with Iran is a bit of a problem.</p> <p>Not only is it dreadfully wrong it’s the main issue that keeps the elephant in the room at all..</p> <p>No war (as an issue), and the GOP has nothing but bigotry and trumped up lies.</p></blockquote> <p>Bingo! The only difference between the top three candidates regarding Iraq ASFAIK is that one wants to keep two brigades in the country (Clinton), another wants one Brigade in the country and several others across an imaginary line in the desert…but alowing them to operate in Iraq (Edwards), and the third wants all the troops to be withdrawn just across that imaginary line.</p> <p>And don’t even let me get on their positions regarding the Palestine-Israeli conflict. </p> <p><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=832667&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1">http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/p.....&art=1</a></p> <p><a href="http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6619.shtml">http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6619.shtml</a></p> Eureka Springs @ 19

Yes Swopa, all three front runners lining up for extended Iraqi occupation and leaving all options on the table with Iran is a bit of a problem.

Not only is it dreadfully wrong it’s the main issue that keeps the elephant in the room at all..

No war (as an issue), and the GOP has nothing but bigotry and trumped up lies.

Bingo! The only difference between the top three candidates regarding Iraq ASFAIK is that one wants to keep two brigades in the country (Clinton), another wants one Brigade in the country and several others across an imaginary line in the desert…but alowing them to operate in Iraq (Edwards), and the third wants all the troops to be withdrawn just across that imaginary line.

And don’t even let me get on their positions regarding the Palestine-Israeli conflict.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/p…..&art=1

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6619.shtml

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