a Zed?

Eli!!!

Eli!!!

Steve!!! Neuro!!!

Eli!!!

(driving by for now, will come back later to read and join y’all)

My own personal favorite was when he teamed up with Lindsay Graham and John Warner to give Dubya a nice respectable-looking figleaf for the Military Commissions Act.

‘Ah yes, I remember it well‘

;>)

Kerr

Hiya, LL!

LoudounLib @ 5

Eli!!!

(driving by for now, will come back later to read and join y’all)

*waving at LL as she drives by*

Hi Eli!

I read the Broder piece of crap this morning. Twit.

Hi Elliott!

AZ Matt @ 10

I read the Broder piece of crap this morning. Twit.

I think you mean Brooks, but I have trouble telling them apart these days.

Pardon me, Eli, but…

EPU’d:

neurophius says:

November 13th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
I suggest the following use to which Ed*ard Teller’s Scroll of Hugh’s List could constructively be put:

Give it to Sen. Chris Dodd to read aloud on the Senate floor when he filibusters the FISA bill that grants immunity to the telecom companies for aiding and abetting the Bush Administration’s illegal spying on Americans.

mccain is clearly a zero-integrity guy.
does get the branding done pretty well, but clearly is a whore-in-thugs clothing…

neurophius @ 12

Pardon me, Eli, but…

EPU’d:

neurophius says:

November 13th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
I suggest the following use to which Ed*ard Teller’s Scroll of Hugh’s List could constructively be put:

Give it to Sen. Chris Dodd to read aloud on the Senate floor when he filibusters the FISA bill that grants immunity to the telecom companies for aiding and abetting the Bush Administration’s illegal spying on Americans.

Great Idea. Make them listen to the crimes committed and know that the people are hearing it, too.

neurophius @ 12

Pardon me, Eli, but…

EPU’d:

neurophius says:

November 13th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
I suggest the following use to which Ed*ard Teller’s Scroll of Hugh’s List could constructively be put:

Give it to Sen. Chris Dodd to read aloud on the Senate floor when he filibusters the FISA bill that grants immunity to the telecom companies for aiding and abetting the Bush Administration’s illegal spying on Americans.

That. Would. Be. Awesome.

Way OT..But today is Steve Gilliard’s birthday..he would have been 43 and he would have called bullshit on John McCain.

I think I first called McCain a whore in 03. Something about Iraq that’s buried in history. What a shame that a man who’s been thru so much turns out to be so lackiing in fundamental morality.

John McCain’s sense of honor isn’t ancient, it’s extinct.

True that. Thank you Eli. I so appreciate this post.

eCAHNomics @ 17

I think I first called McCain a whore in 03. Something about Iraq that’s buried in history. What a shame that a man who’s been thru so much turns out to be so lackiing in fundamental morality.

But Brooks is still out there pimping him with everything he’s got.

Eli @ 19

eCAHNomics @ 17

I think I first called McCain a whore in 03. Something about Iraq that’s buried in history. What a shame that a man who’s been thru so much turns out to be so lackiing in fundamental morality.

But Brooks is still out there pimping him with everything he’s got.

Dodos of a feather flock…

Thanks, Eli. There are heroes and then there are HEROES. John McCain has let everyone down – especially himself.

Eli @ 19

But Brooks is still out there pimping him with everything he’s got.

yeah, well, a guy’s gotta make a living …

Eli @ 19

eCAHNomics @ 17

I think I first called McCain a whore in 03. Something about Iraq that’s buried in history. What a shame that a man who’s been thru so much turns out to be so lackiing in fundamental morality.

But Brooks is still out there pimping him with everything he’s got.

Remember that McCain called the press his base.

Twain @ 21

Thanks, Eli. There are heroes and then there are HEROES. John McCain has let everyone down – especially himself.

He had his chances, and he blew pretty much every single one of them. It’s been all downhill since he called the religious right “agents of intolerance”.

eCAHNomics @ 23

Remember that McCain called the press his base.

awfully honest of him …

lee5 @ 22

Eli @ 19

But Brooks is still out there pimping him with everything he’s got.

yeah, well, a guy’s gotta make a living …

yeah but, he also has to live with himself

I missed why we’re holding McCain ‘responsible for someone else’s incivility’. It seems like we’re saying it’s wrong but doing it anyway.

lee5 @ 25

eCAHNomics @ 23

Remember that McCain called the press his base.

awfully honest of him …

It’s a good strategy, but it only works for Republicans. All of them.

Balrog @ 27

I missed why we’re holding McCain ‘responsible for someone else’s incivility’. It seems like we’re saying it’s wrong but doing it anyway.

That was just snark to set up the link to his Chelsea Clinton joke. For someone who’s supposed to be a man of integrity, he shouldn’t be laughing that kind of thing off.

Balrog @ 27

I missed why we’re holding McCain ‘responsible for someone else’s incivility’. It seems like we’re saying it’s wrong but doing it anyway.

watching the video, it looks like McCain’s uncomfortable with the comment — at first. But then he laughs.

eCAHNomics @ 23

Eli @ 19

But Brooks is still out there pimping him with everything he’s got.

Remember that McCain called the press his base.

Then he was excluding the “have mores”?

One question I have is this: Has Sen. McCain gone through some sort of massive change since 2000? And if so, why and how?
Because if he has not, then I am not sure how he shaves himself in the morning without having the distinct urge to slit his own throat for cuddling up to the people who eviscerated his campaign in 2000 and who frankly have pi***d on the honor and memory of every soldier who ended up being tortured and/or in prison camps run by the North Vietnamese (and the Viet Cong – someone help me out with this please).
How can he go through this without having the distinct taste of hypocracy in his mouth? I don’t understand it at all.
All I can think of is that he wants to be elected president a whole lot more than he values his own sanity and personal values.

McCain is a man who has suffered from the effects of torture. He harbors a lot of anger and revenge. It has poisoned his mind and damaged his body. There is no way that he exhibits evidence of having gotten past those experiences….period. I can understand where he’s coming from, considering his experiences, but I do not feel that he in any way has the mental stability to lead a nation. W did not serve. He was not tortured. He has led a life of failure and deception. There is no way that he exhibits evidence of having grown beyond his experiences, nor do I feel that he in any way has ever had the mental stability to lead a nation.

These people need to go away.

Yes, I think St. John McCain left his Ancient Sense of Honor behind when he climbed on board the Bush Re-Election Bus in 2004…with his A.S.H. never to be seen again.

Maybe Brooks has a crazy old mother he could wheel out..

Eli @ 29

That was just snark to set up the link to his Chelsea Clinton joke. For someone who’s supposed to be a man of integrity, he shouldn’t be laughing that kind of thing off.

Check. Thanks Eli.

Totally, OT, but strange …

A Lebanese-born C.I.A. officer who had previously worked as an F.B.I. agent pleaded guilty today to charges that she illegally sought classified information from government computers about the radical Islamic group Hezbollah.

The defendant, Nada Nadim Prouty, who also confessed that she had obtained American citizenship fraudulently, faces up to 16 years in prison under the plea agreement …

nytimes linky

Balrog @ 27

I missed why we’re holding McCain ‘responsible for someone else’s incivility’. It seems like we’re saying it’s wrong but doing it anyway.

Why didn’t he demand others not speak of a fellow Senator or contender in the Presidential race in such a manner?

I think 9/11 set him off…pushed his repressed buttons.

darkblack @ 6

My own personal favorite was when he teamed up with Lindsay Graham and John Warner to give Dubya a nice respectable-looking figleaf for the Military Commissions Act.

‘Ah yes, I remember it well‘

;>)

This is what I don’t get. These are three guys that should know better, yet caved in to Mr. 24%. It just goes to show McCain’s straight talk schtick was just that. He made a fool of the traditional media.

Maybe his campaign planted the question.

Eureka Springs @ 38

Balrog @ 27

I missed why we’re holding McCain ‘responsible for someone else’s incivility’. It seems like we’re saying it’s wrong but doing it anyway.

Why didn’t he demand others not speak of a fellow Senator or contender in the Presidential race in such a manner?

Because then he would have p***ed off people — by laughing it off, he made it look as if he privately calls Sen. Clinton the same thing, a typical method of put down.

smapdi @ 35

Maybe Brooks has a crazy old mother he could wheel out..

I can’t wait to see what Brooks writes Friday. I wonder when he found out what Hebert wrote. Is Brooks gonna whine because her thinks Krugman and Hebert are picking on him?

Toby Wollin @ 32

…
How can he go through this without having the distinct taste of hypocracy in his mouth? I don’t understand it at all.

Hypocricy goes well with a slightly acidic white whine.

Loo Hoo. @ 41

Maybe his campaign planted the question.

Why ? Just so it could be picked up by some Fox news blog? And whispered endlessly, how he’s gunna “beat the bitch”? What would that accomplish?

Toby Wollin @ 42

Eureka Springs @ 38

Why didn’t he demand others not speak of a fellow Senator or contender in the Presidential race in such a manner?

Because then he would have p***ed off people — by laughing it off, he made it look as if he privately calls Sen. Clinton the same thing, a typical method of put down.

I think he has probably called her much worse. This man is so desperate to be Prez that he will do anything. I can understand running (I wouldn’t run for a gazillion dollars) but not this desperation. It’s very sad to watch.

Eli @ 24

Twain @ 21

Thanks, Eli. There are heroes and then there are HEROES. John McCain has let everyone down – especially himself.

He had his chances, and he blew pretty much every single one of them. It’s been all downhill since he called the religious right “agents of intolerance”.

He’d be better off now if he’d stuck to his guns.

GordonM @ 31

eCAHNomics @ 23

Remember that McCain called the press his base.

Then he was excluding the “have mores”?

They’re W’s base.
Which raises an interesting Q. There are so many R bases, just like with Ds. Why have Rs avoided the circular firing squad for so long?

McCain has an anger management problem, which he tries to keep under wraps, but you can feel the energy. Not good.

Balrog @ 27

I missed why we’re holding McCain ‘responsible for someone else’s incivility’. It seems like we’re saying it’s wrong but doing it anyway.

He called out his own mom for saying something anti-Morman when discussing Romney. Certainly calling Hillary (a fellow Senator) is far more reprehensible.

Loo Hoo. @ 47

Eli @ 24

He had his chances, and he blew pretty much every single one of them. It’s been all downhill since he called the religious right “agents of intolerance”.

He’d be better off now if he’d stuck to his guns.

I think he’s counting on the media to simply *tell* everyone that he’s a man of honor.

It’s the Dubya strategy.

And hi to my virtual grandson/nephew, Balrog!

Loo Hoo. @ 50

Balrog @ 27

I missed why we’re holding McCain ‘responsible for someone else’s incivility’. It seems like we’re saying it’s wrong but doing it anyway.

He called out his own mom for saying something anti-Morman when discussing Romney. Certainly calling Hillary (a fellow Senator) is far more reprehensible.

“The views of the questioner are not necessarily the views of mine.”

LS @ 39

I think 9/11 set him off…pushed his repressed buttons.

Is there going to be any long-term effect on the Rubber Stampers (R and D) that have felt compelled to support BushCo all these years?

Deep down, some of these clowns must know what they’re doing is wrong. Wrong on a personal level for some, wrong at a going to Hell level for others.

Someday there is going to be a rash of self-realization that is going to be very difficult to overcome for a lot of people.

Loo Hoo. @ 52

And hi to my virtual grandson/nephew, Balrog!

xoxo *slobber*

Your pal, WeeRog.

Balrog @ 54

LS @ 39

I think 9/11 set him off…pushed his repressed buttons.

Is there going to be any long-term effect on the Rubber Stampers (R and D) that have felt compelled to support BushCo all these years?

Deep down, some of these clowns must know what they’re doing is wrong. Wrong on a personal level for some, wrong at a going to Hell level for others.

Someday there is going to be a rash of self-realization that is going to be very difficult to overcome for a lot of people.

you’d think.

lately I’m havin’ my doubts

I beg to quibble. I agreee with your point.

Not extinct. Extinguished.

1,658 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizen Eli and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

“John McCain’s sense of honor isn’t ancient, it’s extinct.”

That remark is far too charitable because it implies that he had a sense of honor at some point. John McCain is emblematic of our politics today or should I say our lack of a politics today. Everything in our culture is corrupted, and the historical struggle to advance toward a “more perfect union” and reach a moment of social justice over. We must begin all over again. We must “think anew and act anew” but first we must purge our system of the toxic rot with which unregulated corporate capitalism has infected us.

We have found ourselves at a “revolutionary” moment while we were fighting to preserve what our forefathers (and mothers) had given us. We are at a point not unlike where Wiemar Germany was in 1932-33 and where the crumbling Russian Empire was in 1919…and we have to do better than either or the next 50 years on this planet are gunna make us disciples of Dante’s cosmology.

John Edwards and Al Gore in 2008!!

KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T BE AFRAID, WE DON’T HAVE A CHOICE!!

eCAHNomics @ 48

GordonM @ 31

Then he was excluding the “have mores”?

They’re W’s base.

Right (W’s “have and have mores” was to me the seminal Farenheit 911 quote).

Which raises an interesting Q. There are so many R bases, just like with Ds. Why have Rs avoided the circular firing squad for so long?

Rove. Like any good salesman, he could convincingly promise to competing interests that they would get their fondest wishes real soon now.

Eureka Springs @ 38

Balrog @ 27

I missed why we’re holding McCain ‘responsible for someone else’s incivility’. It seems like we’re saying it’s wrong but doing it anyway.

Why didn’t he demand others not speak of a fellow Senator or contender in the Presidential race in such a manner?

And notice at the end of the clip he caught himself, and said that he would respect whomever is the candidate of the Democrat party.

Loo Hoo. @ 60

Eureka Springs @ 38

Why didn’t he demand others not speak of a fellow Senator or contender in the Presidential race in such a manner?

And notice at the end of the clip he caught himself, and said that he would respect whomever is the candidate of the Democrat party.

oo I missed that dig!

Loo Hoo. @ 60

Eureka Springs @ 38

Why didn’t he demand others not speak of a fellow Senator or contender in the Presidential race in such a manner?

And notice at the end of the clip he caught himself, and said that he would respect whomever is the candidate of the Democrat party.

Yeah, I did notice that. Charming.

Balrog @ 54

LS @ 39

I think 9/11 set him off…pushed his repressed buttons.

Is there going to be any long-term effect on the Rubber Stampers (R and D) that have felt compelled to support BushCo all these years?

Deep down, some of these clowns must know what they’re doing is wrong. Wrong on a personal level for some, wrong at a going to Hell level for others.

Someday there is going to be a rash of self-realization that is going to be very difficult to overcome for a lot of people.

There have been suggestions made that they have been “listened in” to. Apparently, Dyncorp has the contract for all of the phones in Congress…the same Dyncorp that got in trouble in Iraq just in the last couple of days…Who knows what kinds of “deals” they have been making over years…

LS @ 63

There have been suggestions made that they have been “listened in” to. Apparently, Dyncorp has the contract for all of the phones in Congress…the same Dyncorp that got in trouble in Iraq just in the last couple of days…Who knows what kinds of “deals” they have been making over years…

Seriously? You have a link for this patented Stalinism?

smapdi @ 45

Loo Hoo. @ 41

Maybe his campaign planted the question.

Why ? Just so it could be picked up by some Fox news blog? And whispered endlessly, how he’s gunna “beat the bitch”? What would that accomplish?

And I hate the overtones of domestic violence in this phrase. The wingers will love it.

Loo Hoo. @ 60

And notice at the end of the clip he caught himself, and said that he would respect whomever is the candidate of the Democrat party.

I’m one of few who think these semantics are overblown.

Are you a Republican or a Democrat? The answer is rarely “I’m a Democratic”.

More importantly, I fail to believe that the bozos who reference the Democrat Party are smart enough to do it consciously.

egregious @ 65

smapdi @ 45

Why ? Just so it could be picked up by some Fox news blog? And whispered endlessly, how he’s gunna “beat the bitch”? What would that accomplish?

And I hate the overtones of domestic violence in this phrase. The wingers will love it.

The weird (and creepy) thing about it being that the questioner was a woman…

GordonM @ 64

LS @ 63

There have been suggestions made that they have been “listened in” to. Apparently, Dyncorp has the contract for all of the phones in Congress…the same Dyncorp that got in trouble in Iraq just in the last couple of days…Who knows what kinds of “deals” they have been making over years…

Seriously? You have a link for this patented Stalinism?

http://video.google.com/videop…..&hl=en

Ya gotta watch the whole thing.

Eli @ 67

egregious @ 65

And I hate the overtones of domestic violence in this phrase. The wingers will love it.

The weird (and creepy) thing about it being that the questioner was a woman…

Serious? That’s pretty sad. Then again, how said do you have to be to be a McCain supporter now? The guy got punked badly by Bush/Rove. He has no money presently. His mom was on Tweety the other day bashing Mormons. A real winner.

So please, I don’t want to hear about his ancient sense of honor. John McCain’s sense of honor isn’t ancient, it’s extinct.

McCain left the world of honour and integrity long ago. There was a time when he was indeed a decent man. What did some Sith Lord promise him to seduce him to the Dark Side? Mayhaps there’s something more to the ancient Keating scandal than we know.

LS @ 68

GordonM @ 64

Seriously? You have a link for this patented Stalinism?

http://video.google.com/videop…..&hl=en

Ya gotta watch the whole thing.

Thanks, LS. Bookmarked. At 31 min, I’ll wait till tomorrow.

Well, Judith Regan swore revenge.

Get your popcorn here!

Eli @ 53

Loo Hoo. @ 50

He called out his own mom for saying something anti-Morman when discussing Romney. Certainly calling Hillary (a fellow Senator) is far more reprehensible.

“The views of the questioner are not necessarily the views of mine.”

I don’t know what McCain was trying to show. I wonder what Harry Reid thinks too. His being Mormon and all as well.

Balrog @ 72

Well, Judith Regan swore revenge.

Get your popcorn here!

Heh.

“Defendants were well aware that Regan had a personal relationship with Kerik,” the complaint says. “In fact, a senior executive in the News Corporation organization told Regan that he believed she had information about Kerik that, if disclosed, would harm Giuliani’s presidential campaign. This executive advised Regan to lie to, and to withhold information from, investigators concerning Kerik.”

One of Ms. Regan’s lawyers, Brian C. Kerr of the firm of Dreier L.L.P., said she had evidence to support her claim that she had been advised to lie to federal investigators who were vetting Mr. Kerik and who might have sought to question her about their romantic involvement. But Mr. Kerr declined to discuss the nature of the evidence.”

With lots, and lots of real butter!!!! Maybe even caramel corn…

If I were betting, I’d put my money on that “friend” being… John McCain…

Balrog @ 72

Well, Judith Regan swore revenge.

Get your popcorn here!

Does anyone in NYC know the law firm Dreier L.L.P? Discovery on this one is gonna be fun. I wonder what executive(s) asked her to lie.

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 76

Balrog @ 72

Well, Judith Regan swore revenge.

Get your popcorn here!

Does anyone in NYC know the law firm Dreier L.L.P? Discovery on this one is gonna be fun. I wonder what executive(s) asked her to lie.

They hired Wetter L.L.P.

Fox’s “report” is inaccurate, as the video clearly shows. McCain neither laughed it off nor changed the subject: he referred to Senator Clinton in his answer, after giggling uncontrollably. Knowing he’d be on YouTube, he still couldn’t do the right thing: denounce the GOP harpy who queried him.

Probably she’s a TopGun or a Carrier-Crash-n-Burn or a TigerCager or a SkyKiller or whatever slick title McCain’s campaign came up with for their big donors and bundlers. I’m sure that’s why McCain’s “honor” prevented him from challenging her characterization of the former First Lady.

And his fellow Senator, for whom he claims to have such “respect.” So much for comity. So much for the most exclusive club in the world. So much for the world’s greatest deliberative body. Hillary should slap his face when she next sees him on the Senate floor.

Decency, honor, character, and integrity? Not a whit. The man’s a mysogynistic, senile crackpot who shouldn’t be allowed near the airplane ride at the State Fair, let alone the Oval Office. He proved that when he joked about the Clinton’s only child in 1998 — and he’s still running for President ten years later!

IOKIYAR

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 76

Balrog @ 72

Well, Judith Regan swore revenge.

Get your popcorn here!

Does anyone in NYC know the law firm Dreier L.L.P? Discovery on this one is gonna be fun. I wonder what executive(s) asked her to lie.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned…who’d a thunk it.

LS @ 79

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned…who’d a thunk it.

works both ways

They will settle the Regan problem rather quickly I would think…and then…crickets…

The matter has been resolved.

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 76

Balrog @ 72

Well, Judith Regan swore revenge.

Get your popcorn here!

Does anyone in NYC know the law firm Dreier L.L.P? Discovery on this one is gonna be fun. I wonder what executive(s) asked her to lie.

Hmmm, let’s see now…I can see the requests now – “all IT back up tapes to 2001…”
Given that most IT departments tend to save their back ups (and not re-record over them as supposedly the White House and perhaps the RNC have done), this should be pretty fruitful. But then again, it all depends on the company’s records retention policy…and oh, yeah..whether or not people actually followed it.

Eli @ 15

neurophius @ 12

Pardon me, Eli, but…

EPU’d:

neurophius says:

November 13th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
I suggest the following use to which Ed*ard Teller’s Scroll of Hugh’s List could constructively be put:

Give it to Sen. Chris Dodd to read aloud on the Senate floor when he filibusters the FISA bill that grants immunity to the telecom companies for aiding and abetting the Bush Administration’s illegal spying on Americans.

That. Would. Be. Awesome.

heh. especially # 126:

126. Failure of the Democratic Party to act as an opposition party for nearly 5 years

and scattered about in various descriptions of the bush administration’s crimes the word “democrat” occurs in the same sentence as the word “caved”

even with 99% of the content about republican scandals, crimes and general wrong-doing… i have a hard time picturing any dem pol reading it out loud for the cameras.

LS @ 81

They will settle the Regan problem rather quickly I would think…and then…crickets…

The matter has been resolved.

But it’s still all good. Munch munch.

LS @ 81

They will settle the Regan problem rather quickly I would think…and then…crickets…

The matter has been resolved.

I know, how many times have we been disappointed this way?

LS @ 81

They will settle the Regan problem rather quickly I would think…and then…crickets…

The matter has been resolved.

Wouldn’t say yes. Wouldn’t say no. Remember that there’s a big price for NewsCorp to pay by not beingexonerated, after Regan’s public charges. And Rudy. Kinda hard to keep it in the bag now.

Judith is going to rip them a new one: She has audio tapes…..

The tapes “not only bolster her position against News Corp, but may prove damning to more than a few Fox executives,” one source, who characterized the recordings as “juicy,” told us.

link

eCAHNomics @ 86

And Rudy. Kinda hard to keep it in the bag now.

The hasps on those fake Gucci bags fail all the time.

Balrog @ 66

Loo Hoo. @ 60

And notice at the end of the clip he caught himself, and said that he would respect whomever is the candidate of the Democrat party.

I’m one of few who think these semantics are overblown.

Are you a Republican or a Democrat? The answer is rarely “I’m a Democratic”.

More importantly, I fail to believe that the bozos who reference the Democrat Party are smart enough to do it consciously.

The bozos do it precisely to insult Democrats and they do it intentionally as a slur. Putting a noun where only an adjective works is intentional and McCain was doing it on purpose for his audience.

Just like I would not say,”that guy belongs to the Jew faith,” unless I was disparaging him, I would not say “that guy belongs to the Democrat party.” Someone belongs to the “Jewish religion” (not “Jew religion”) in the same way that I belong to the “Democratic party.” (not “Democrat party).

Is it a big deal to me? — Only to the extent I know McCain is saying it to be petty and to celebrate the pettiness of his crass supporters.

I heard him say it and I basically moved on because I expect it from him. It was, however, quite intentional on his part. This was not an innocent slip. Even these socially-promoted Republican morons know the difference between nouns and adjectives.

slainte,
cl

Caoimhin Laochdha @ 89

Balrog @ 66

I’m one of few who think these semantics are overblown.

Are you a Republican or a Democrat? The answer is rarely “I’m a Democratic”.

More importantly, I fail to believe that the bozos who reference the Democrat Party are smart enough to do it consciously.

The bozos do it precisely to insult Democrats and they do it intentionally as a slur. Putting a noun where only an adjective works is intentional and McCain was doing it on purpose for his audience.

Just like I would not say,”that guy belongs to the Jew faith,” unless I was disparaging him, I would not say “that guy belongs to the Democrat party.” Someone belongs to the “Jewish religion” (not “Jew religion”) in the same way that I belong to the “Democratic party.” (not “Democrat party).

Is it a big deal to me? — Only to the extent I know McCain is saying it to be petty and to celebrate the pettiness of his crass supporters.

I heard him say it and I basically moved on because I expect it from him. It was, however, quite intentional on his part. This was not an innocent slip. Even these socially-promoted Republican morons know the difference between nouns and adjectives.

slainte,
cl

I would say that I find it more… revealing than offensive.

Caoimhin Laochdha @ 89

Even these socially-promoted Republican morons know the difference between nouns and adjectives.

Except for Alexander Haig, of course.

Eli @ 90

Caoimhin Laochdha @ 89

I heard him say it and I basically moved on because I expect it from him. . .

slainte,
cl

I would say that I find it more… revealing than offensive.

. . . that’s the point I was trying to come around to making, you closed the loop for me . . .

cl

They are going to rip Regan apart…until she either can’t stand it anymore or runs out of money…they will pull out anything she has ever thought of or done…she will prevail, ultimately, but we might not know the bottom line…just sayin’. That is the way it goes most of the time. Scorch and Burn. Advise…go to Now with the story, now.

GordonM @ 91

Caoimhin Laochdha @ 89

Even these socially-promoted Republican morons know the difference between nouns and adjectives.

Except for Alexander Haig, of course.

. . . who turns them both into verbs.

slainte,
cl

GordonM @ 91

Caoimhin Laochdha @ 89

Even these socially-promoted Republican morons know the difference between nouns and adjectives.

Except for Alexander Haig, of course.

Glad you caveated that.

Caoimhin Laochdha @ 89

Even these socially-promoted Republican morons know the difference between nouns and adjectives.

slainte,
cl

Agree to disagree. Happily if this is all they have, let them fuck it up.

OT — watched Nova’s show Judgment Day re the Dover School Board on trial for trying to introduce intelligent design into the school.

School board thrown out in the next election. Judge, a Bush appointee, ruled that members of the board were trying to push in creationism under the intelligent design re-wording [Frank Luntz–your dirty little paw prints in this one?]. Also that at least 2 committed perjury.

Excellent show–available at pbs.org.

And a question that occurred to the Sunshine household…is the intelligent design movement anti-evolution? Or anti-Semitic? Or both?

LS @ 93

They are going to rip Regan apart…until she either can’t stand it anymore or runs out of money…they will pull out anything she has ever thought of or done…she will prevail, ultimately, but we might not know the bottom line…just sayin’. That is the way it goes most of the time. Scorch and Burn. Advise…go to Now with the story, now.

Yay! I want pictures.

LS @ 93

They are going to rip Regan apart…until she either can’t stand it anymore or runs out of money…they will pull out anything she has ever thought of or done…she will prevail, ultimately, but we might not know the bottom line…just sayin’. That is the way it goes most of the time. Scorch and Burn. Advise…go to Now with the story, now.

You’re probably right. But this is the sleazoid who Rupe hired to do the OJ Mambo. She has some fangs of her own, I bet.

Caoimhin Laochdha @ 92

Eli @ 90

I would say that I find it more… revealing than offensive.

. . . that’s the point I was trying to come around to making, you closed the loop for me . . .

cl

I was pretty much just agreeing. I mean, it’s not like I’m going to be saying, “Oh my God, he called me a Democrat! How outrageous!” It’s more like a subtle, smirky fuck you, like a little kid whispering “…asshole” under his breath.

Laura Doty @ 95

GordonM @ 91

Except for Alexander Haig, of course.

Glad you caveated that.

707!

Teddy, McCain joked about Chelsea?

newtonusr @ 99

LS @ 93

They are going to rip Regan apart…until she either can’t stand it anymore or runs out of money…they will pull out anything she has ever thought of or done…she will prevail, ultimately, but we might not know the bottom line…just sayin’. That is the way it goes most of the time. Scorch and Burn. Advise…go to Now with the story, now.

You’re probably right. But this is the sleazoid who Rupe hired to do the OJ Mambo. She has some fangs of her own, I bet.

I hope so, and I figure that since it is such a high visibility case…she’s got a fightin’ chance.

Prairie Sunshine @ 97

OT — watched Nova’s show Judgment Day re the Dover School Board on trial for trying to introduce intelligent design into the school.

School board thrown out in the next election. Judge, a Bush appointee, ruled that members of the board were trying to push in creationism under the intelligent design re-wording [Frank Luntz–your dirty little paw prints in this one?]. Also that at least 2 committed perjury.

Excellent show–available at pbs.org.

And a question that occurred to the Sunshine household…is the intelligent design movement anti-evolution? Or anti-Semitic? Or both?

Certainly anti-evolution. Have never heard it discussed with reference to being anti-Semitic.

Loo Hoo. @ 102

Teddy, McCain joked about Chelsea?

Click the link I hat-tipped him for.

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Her father’s Janet Reno.”

LS @ 104

newtonusr @ 99

You’re probably right. But this is the sleazoid who Rupe hired to do the OJ Mambo. She has some fangs of her own, I bet.

I hope so, and I figure that since it is such a high visibility case…she’s got a fightin’ chance.

It’s a toughie; they’re all so thoroughly vile. I’m hoping for a very bloody draw.

LS @ 104

newtonusr @ 99

You’re probably right. But this is the sleazoid who Rupe hired to do the OJ Mambo. She has some fangs of her own, I bet.

I hope so, and I figure that since it is such a high visibility case…she’s got a fightin’ chance.

It’s hard to imagine her attorneys going after big game without the goods. And if I were them, I’d go on Imus the New and broadcast those tapes, before a judge gets a whack at them.

Well, the kind of draw where *everybody* loses.

Eli @ 105

Loo Hoo. @ 102

Teddy, McCain joked about Chelsea?

Click the link I hat-tipped him for.

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Her father’s Janet Reno.”

that is beyond ugly. disgusting.

Eli @ 107

LS @ 104

I hope so, and I figure that since it is such a high visibility case…she’s got a fightin’ chance.

It’s a toughie; they’re all so thoroughly vile. I’m hoping for a very bloody draw.

I hate to say it, but I do too. Depends on how rich and how tough she is. I just want the corrupt behavior to be exposed.

LS @ 110

Eli @ 107

It’s a toughie; they’re all so thoroughly vile. I’m hoping for a very bloody draw.

I hate to say it, but I do too. Depends on how rich and how tough she is. I just want the corrupt behavior to be exposed.

me too, she’s more of the same imo

Eli @ 100

Caoimhin Laochdha @ 92

. . . that’s the point I was trying to come around to making, you closed the loop for me . . .

cl

I was pretty much just agreeing. I mean, it’s not like I’m going to be saying, “Oh my God, he called me a Democrat! How outrageous!” It’s more like a subtle, smirky fuck you, like a little kid whispering “…asshole” under his breath.

Remember also the Shrub 2000 campaign wherein Democrat was used as a backdrop for a teevee ad (like Rove’s other now infamous visual aids utilized to prop up the illiterate Dubya).

newtonusr @ 108

LS @ 104

I hope so, and I figure that since it is such a high visibility case…she’s got a fightin’ chance.

It’s hard to imagine her attorneys going after big game without the goods. And if I were them, I’d go on Imus the New and broadcast those tapes, before a judge gets a whack at them.

That’s what I’m sayin’. Depends on if she’s after the money or the truth to come out. It will be a hellava hard road for her…

I’m betting that they’ve got something big, big, big….or they would have advised her to let it go…

hackworth @ 112

Eli @ 100

I was pretty much just agreeing. I mean, it’s not like I’m going to be saying, “Oh my God, he called me a Democrat! How outrageous!” It’s more like a subtle, smirky fuck you, like a little kid whispering “…asshole” under his breath.

Remember also the Shrub 2000 campaign wherein Democrat was used as a backdrop for a teevee ad (like Rove’s other now infamous visual aids utilized to prop up the illiterate Dubya).

I think I remember that, although I thought it was 2004. I don’t think I was tuned in enough to have heard about that in 2000.

LS @ 113

newtonusr @ 108

It’s hard to imagine her attorneys going after big game without the goods. And if I were them, I’d go on Imus the New and broadcast those tapes, before a judge gets a whack at them.

That’s what I’m sayin’. Depends on if she’s after the money or the truth to come out. It will be a hellava hard road for her…

I’m betting that they’ve got something big, big, big….or they would have advised her to let it go…

I think you are correct. She ain’t bluffing.

Good evening everyone!
As far as McCain goes, he is so desperate to be president he would sell his mother to Satan if he thought it would get him to the Oval. It goes back to the primary in South Carolina and the push poll suggesting that his adopted daughter was in fact his inter-racial love child. Some sort of deal was struck, he did not protest too much and the Bush steamroller moved forward. Anyone who would allow their child to be disparaged in such a manner has no honor. And since then, he has proved that he has no honor, only a lust for power.

egregious @ 104

Prairie Sunshine @ 97

OT — watched Nova’s show Judgment Day re the Dover School Board on trial for trying to introduce intelligent design into the school.

School board thrown out in the next election. Judge, a Bush appointee, ruled that members of the board were trying to push in creationism under the intelligent design re-wording [Frank Luntz–your dirty little paw prints in this one?]. Also that at least 2 committed perjury.

Excellent show–available at pbs.org.

And a question that occurred to the Sunshine household…is the intelligent design movement anti-evolution? Or anti-Semitic? Or both?

Certainly anti-evolution. Have never heard it discussed with reference to being anti-Semitic.

Jumped out of the re-enacted trial testimony juxtaposed with actual commentary…their idea of the unholy trio: Marx, Darwin, Freud.
Something to consider?

Prairie Sunshine @ 97

And a question that occurred to the Sunshine household…is the intelligent design movement anti-evolution? Or anti-Semitic? Or both?

just deliberately stupid.
intelligent design stands in for can’t-we-just-be-children-again-and-have-dad-take-care-of-us
?? essentially childish approach to reality as opposed to dealing as a grown up. kinda sad …

newt- obviously, I have not been keeping up. What is “the OJ Mambo”? And in referencing the sleazoid, are you talking about a tabloid, or that particular person? Oh, I know what OJ means, btw.

What if Regan wore a wire?

LS @ 120

What if Regan wore a wire?

that would take a planned set up, no? another mob that’s gunning for the ghoul?

Prairie Sunshine @ 117

egregious @ 104

Certainly anti-evolution. Have never heard it discussed with reference to being anti-Semitic.

Jumped out of the re-enacted trial testimony juxtaposed with actual commentary…their idea of the unholy trio: Marx, Darwin, Freud.
Something to consider?

I vividly remember reading Kitzmiller v Dover in its full 139 page splendor, at some insomniac hour of the morning, and there did not seem to be any issue of anti-semitism that the judge included in the decision.

Of course what talking heads do, that’s their own inanity.

madmommy @ 116

Good evening everyone!
As far as McCain goes, he is so desperate to be president he would sell his mother to Satan if he thought it would get him to the Oval. It goes back to the primary in South Carolina and the push poll suggesting that his adopted daughter was in fact his inter-racial love child. Some sort of deal was struck, he did not protest too much and the Bush steamroller moved forward. Anyone who would allow their child to be disparaged in such a manner has no honor. And since then, he has proved that he has no honor, only a lust for power.

Did you see the creepy grinning b*stard on The Daily Show last nite? He kept pimping Petraeus and the new plan. Stewart got the better of him, at least.

madmommy @ 116

Good evening everyone!
As far as McCain goes, he is so desperate to be president he would sell his mother to Satan if he thought it would get him to the Oval. It goes back to the primary in South Carolina and the push poll suggesting that his adopted daughter was in fact his inter-racial love child. Some sort of deal was struck, he did not protest too much and the Bush steamroller moved forward. Anyone who would allow their child to be disparaged in such a manner has no honor. And since then, he has proved that he has no honor, only a lust for power.

What do you think happened?

Valley Girl @ 119

newt- obviously, I have not been keeping up. What is “the OJ Mambo”? And in referencing the sleazoid, are you talking about a tabloid, or that particular person? Oh, I know what OJ means, btw.

I believe it is referring to the pseudo book OJ was doing If I Did It which was going to be published by Regan through IIRC, Harper-Collins until everything went crazy, Regan was fired, Murdoch disavowed all knowledge of it and Mr Goldman sued and won the rights to the book.

VG – I’m gmcmillan at hughes dot net when you have need of Maine updates.

Must be up early, so I’m off.

slightly O/T. . . but
tonight the FBI has let
us know what we all likely
already knew — that at
least 14 of the 17 people
gunned down by blackwater
on september 16, 2007, were
killed without any justification,
and outside the use-of-deadly-
force-protocols applicable to
blackwater in iraq. . .

this should lead to a new round
of hearings — ones aimed at tacking
false statements under oath to
congress onto erik prince’s resume. . .

i thought you’d want to know. . .

p e a c e

couldn’t happen to a nicer guy …. poor sir prince …

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Her father’s Janet Reno.”

Can anyone deconstruct that for me? I mean, it is obviously absurd on its face, but what was he really saying?

I’ve got a feeling that there are a myriad of investigations going on by really “good” people that, perhaps, luck be with us, have been held back; and it is all going to come tumbling out in the next year. The thing is, stuff has to come out before there is an attack on Iran…or we are fuuuuuked.

dakine01- ah- that rings a dim bell of memory. Thanks.

nolo @ 128

slightly O/T. . . but
tonight the FBI has let
us know what we all likely
already knew — that at
least 14 of the 17 people
gunned down by blackwater
on september 16, 2007, were
killed without any justification,
and outside the use-of-deadly-
force-protocols applicable to
blackwater in iraq. . .

this should lead to a new round
of hearings — ones aimed at tacking
false statements under oath to
congress onto erik prince’s resume. . .

i thought you’d want to know. . .

p e a c e

That’s what I’m talkin’ about!

OT-Eliot Spitzer is dropping his licensing plan…

Spitzer to Drop His License Plan

By DANNY HAKIM
Published: November 13, 2007

ALBANY, Nov. 13 — Gov. Eliot Spitzer is abandoning his plan to issue driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, saying that opposition is just too overwhelming to move forward with such a policy.

The governor, who is to announce the move formally on Wednesday, said in an interview Tuesday night that he did not reach the decision easily. “You have perhaps seen me struggle with it because I thought we had a principled decision, and it’s not necessarily easy to back away from trying to move a debate forward,” he said.

But he came to believe the proposal would ultimately be blocked, he said, either by legal challenges, a vote by the Legislature to deny funding for the Department of Motor Vehicles or a refusal by upstate county clerks to carry it out.

“I am not willing to fight to the bitter end on something that will not ultimately be implemented,” the governor said, “and we also have an enormous agenda on other issues of great importance to New York State that was being stymied by the constant and almost singular focus on this issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11…..ref=slogin

Maybe there is a “perfect storm” abrewin’…

eg — I don’t think it was part of the actual trial transcript, but there were a ton of documents referenced in various ways. One, called The Wedge, a manifesto-action plan. Not sure where we saw the trio named, but if we can keep the seasonal crud at bay will do some re-viewing at the pbs.org website.

neurophius @ 129

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Her father’s Janet Reno.”

Can anyone deconstruct that for me? I mean, it is obviously absurd on its face, but what was he really saying?

pile of not so subtle digs in here …
bill is obviously emasculated,
those scary powerful women are dykes,
and you can just hate ‘em rather than worrying about what a loser you are …

lee5 @ 136

neurophius @ 129

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Her father’s Janet Reno.”

Can anyone deconstruct that for me? I mean, it is obviously absurd on its face, but what was he really saying?

pile of not so subtle digs in here …
bill is obviously emasculated,
those scary powerful women are dykes,
and you can just hate ‘em rather than worrying about what a loser you are …

And Clinton’s daughter is ugly!

Eli @ 137

>

And Clinton’s daughter is ugly!

right … and that’s why you, poor 9 percenter that you are, wouldn’t have a chance w/ any of them. they suck… not that you’re a loser …

neurophius @ 129

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Her father’s Janet Reno.”

Can anyone deconstruct that for me? I mean, it is obviously absurd on its face, but what was he really saying?

I think this is a “twofer” – 1) It’s a smackdown on Chelsea Clinton (which gets him not only a smack at someone who never said or did anything against him but also a backhanded smack at her parents for producing a child that he can proclaim to be “ugly”) and 2) It’s a smackdown for Hillary Clinton (he gets a double for this one) in terms of the long-standing rumors over her supposed gender preferences AND he gets the smackdown on Janet Reno, another “she’s ugly too” remark.
Again, I reference my comments earlier today about why it is so godawful hard to get women to run for public office – with morons like this running around feeling free to make comments like this not only about yourself but your child…speechless.

neurophius @ 129

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Her father’s Janet Reno.”

Can anyone deconstruct that for me? I mean, it is obviously absurd on its face, but what was he really saying?

i hate to tread this water. . .

but, it intimates that hillary was
intimate with janet to conceive chelsey.

sad — and very republican
in its poisonous sentiment. . .

p e a c e

lee5 @ 138

Eli @ 137

>

And Clinton’s daughter is ugly!

right … and that’s why you, poor 9 percenter that you are, wouldn’t have a chance w/ any of them. they suck… not that you’re a loser …

Um, I think you may have misread that…

CTuttle @ 133

OT-Eliot Spitzer is dropping his licensing plan…

Spitzer to Drop His License Plan

By DANNY HAKIM
Published: November 13, 2007

ALBANY, Nov. 13 — Gov. Eliot Spitzer is abandoning his plan to issue driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, saying that opposition is just too overwhelming to move forward with such a policy.

The governor, who is to announce the move formally on Wednesday, said in an interview Tuesday night that he did not reach the decision easily. “You have perhaps seen me struggle with it because I thought we had a principled decision, and it’s not necessarily easy to back away from trying to move a debate forward,” he said.

But he came to believe the proposal would ultimately be blocked, he said, either by legal challenges, a vote by the Legislature to deny funding for the Department of Motor Vehicles or a refusal by upstate county clerks to carry it out.

“I am not willing to fight to the bitter end on something that will not ultimately be implemented,” the governor said, “and we also have an enormous agenda on other issues of great importance to New York State that was being stymied by the constant and almost singular focus on this issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11…..ref=slogin

*sigh*

We have so far to go.

At least he put it out there and got the discussion started. it isn’t over. And sooner, maybe later, we will be realistic about the situation.

LS @ 132

nolo @ 128

slightly O/T. . . but
tonight the FBI has let
us know what we all likely
already knew — that at
least 14 of the 17 people
gunned down by blackwater
on september 16, 2007, were
killed without any justification,
and outside the use-of-deadly-
force-protocols applicable to
blackwater in iraq. . .

this should lead to a new round
of hearings — ones aimed at tacking
false statements under oath to
congress onto erik prince’s resume. . .

i thought you’d want to know. . .

p e a c e

That’s what I’m talkin’ about!

thanks!

p e a c e

Eli @ 141

lee5 @ 138

right … and that’s why you, poor 9 percenter that you are, wouldn’t have a chance w/ any of them. they suck… not that you’re a loser …

Um, I think you may have misread that…

the “you” is not you …. it’s the hypothetical loser who mccain is addresssing … sorry if I wasn’t clear…

LS, I watched hte video you recommended upthread. Dear god.

lee5 @ 144

Eli @ 141

Um, I think you may have misread that…

the “you” is not you …. it’s the hypothetical loser who mccain is addresssing … sorry if I wasn’t clear…

Okay, fair enough. Wasn’t entirely sure.

OT – just dropping in late:
this is from an email i received today entitled “Update from Senator John Cornyn” (R-Texas), and is truly sick:

“I was recently privileged to present Gold Medals of Remembrance at Fort Bliss in El Paso to eight children who have lost a father during the war on terror. This is a relatively new award, the first honoring children, and recognizes that sacrifices in defending freedom are not limited to those who volunteer.”

Elliott @ 142

CTuttle @ 133

OT-Eliot Spitzer is dropping his licensing plan…

Spitzer to Drop His License Plan

By DANNY HAKIM
Published: November 13, 2007

ALBANY, Nov. 13 — Gov. Eliot Spitzer is abandoning his plan to issue driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, saying that opposition is just too overwhelming to move forward with such a policy.

The governor, who is to announce the move formally on Wednesday, said in an interview Tuesday night that he did not reach the decision easily. “You have perhaps seen me struggle with it because I thought we had a principled decision, and it’s not necessarily easy to back away from trying to move a debate forward,” he said.

But he came to believe the proposal would ultimately be blocked, he said, either by legal challenges, a vote by the Legislature to deny funding for the Department of Motor Vehicles or a refusal by upstate county clerks to carry it out.

“I am not willing to fight to the bitter end on something that will not ultimately be implemented,” the governor said, “and we also have an enormous agenda on other issues of great importance to New York State that was being stymied by the constant and almost singular focus on this issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11…..ref=slogin

*sigh*

We have so far to go.

At least he put it out there and got the discussion started. it isn’t over. And sooner, maybe later, we will be realistic about the situation.

I agree! Did Hillary ask him to drop it…?

greenwarrior @ 147

OT – just dropping in late:
this is from an email i received today entitled “Update from Senator John Cornyn” (R-Texas), and is truly sick:

“I was recently privileged to present Gold Medals of Remembrance at Fort Bliss in El Paso to eight children who have lost a father during the war on terror. This is a relatively new award, the first honoring children, and recognizes that sacrifices in defending freedom are not limited to those who volunteer.”

Great — Rethugs using kids as props…

CTuttle @ 148

Elliott @ 142

*sigh*

We have so far to go.

At least he put it out there and got the discussion started. it isn’t over. And sooner, maybe later, we will be realistic about the situation.

I agree! Did Hillary ask him to drop it…?

Hmmmm?

Elliott @ 150

CTuttle @ 148

I agree! Did Hillary ask him to drop it…?

Hmmmm?

I don’t think so.

But once it got injected into the presidential debate, the whole dynamic in Albany probably changed incredibly — changing its prospects of passage and implementation from “iffy” to “damn near impossible.”

As the article sums up his decision, “But he came to believe the proposal would ultimately be blocked, he said, either by legal challenges, a vote by the Legislature to deny funding for the Department of Motor Vehicles or a refusal by upstate county clerks to carry it out.”

Elliott @ 124

madmommy @ 116

Good evening everyone!
As far as McCain goes, he is so desperate to be president he would sell his mother to Satan if he thought it would get him to the Oval. It goes back to the primary in South Carolina and the push poll suggesting that his adopted daughter was in fact his inter-racial love child. Some sort of deal was struck, he did not protest too much and the Bush steamroller moved forward. Anyone who would allow their child to be disparaged in such a manner has no honor. And since then, he has proved that he has no honor, only a lust for power.

What do you think happened?

I think Rove or someone high in the Bush campaign made some vague promises of support to McCain for a presidential run afterW was done. I have absoloutely nothing to base this on other than a gut feeling. Whatever was said, McCain realized that the push poll in South Carolina was just the beginning of what he could look forward to, so he took the deal and became Bush’s kissing cousin.

madmommy @ 152

Elliott @ 124

What do you think happened?

I think Rove or someone high in the Bush campaign made some vague promises of support to McCain for a presidential run afterW was done. I have absoloutely nothing to base this on other than a gut feeling. Whatever was said, McCain realized that the push poll in South Carolina was just the beginning of what he could look forward to, so he took the deal and became Bush’s kissing cousin.

maybe that’s it. Sure seems like something is behind his metamorphosis

“McCain realized that the push poll in South Carolina was just the beginning of what he could look forward to, so he took the deal and became Bush’s kissing cousin.”

Let’s hope that darkblack does not see that remark…

neurophius @ 154

“McCain realized that the push poll in South Carolina was just the beginning of what he could look forward to, so he took the deal and became Bush’s kissing cousin.”

Let’s hope that darkblack does not see that remark…

Yeah, I thought about that after I hit submit. Maybe he won’t notice…

eCAHNomics @ 17

I think I first called McCain a whore in 03. Something about Iraq that’s buried in history. What a shame that a man who’s been thru so much turns out to be so lackiing in fundamental morality.

Rabid presidential fever – incurable sense of entitlement?

madmommy @ 155

neurophius @ 154

“McCain realized that the push poll in South Carolina was just the beginning of what he could look forward to, so he took the deal and became Bush’s kissing cousin.”

Let’s hope that darkblack does not see that remark…

Yeah, I thought about that after I hit submit. Maybe he won’t notice…

Oh I dunno, I think darkblack must have a special FDL pager or something ;-)

Spitzer and Hillary are ahead of their time. I remember just a few years ago (maybe two years) that I thought driver’s licenses for undocumented types was horrible.

They need to let the people catch up. It’s called leadership.

madmommy @ 155

neurophius @ 154

“McCain realized that the push poll in South Carolina was just the beginning of what he could look forward to, so he took the deal and became Bush’s kissing cousin.”

Let’s hope that darkblack does not see that remark…

Yeah, I thought about that after I hit submit. Maybe he won’t notice…

I bet it’s too late, darkblack has been summoned

Elliott @ 159

madmommy @ 155

Yeah, I thought about that after I hit submit. Maybe he won’t notice…

I bet it’s too late, darkblack has been summoned

It’s like saying Beetlejuice. I am going to be very careful clicking on links at Late Night :0)

madmommy @ 160

Elliott @ 159

I bet it’s too late, darkblack has been summoned

It’s like saying Beetlejuice. I am going to be very careful clicking on links at Late Night :0)

me too :)

LoudounLib @ 149

greenwarrior @ 147

OT – just dropping in late:
this is from an email i received today entitled “Update from Senator John Cornyn” (R-Texas), and is truly sick:

“I was recently privileged to present Gold Medals of Remembrance at Fort Bliss in El Paso to eight children who have lost a father during the war on terror. This is a relatively new award, the first honoring children, and recognizes that sacrifices in defending freedom are not limited to those who volunteer.”

Great — Rethugs using kids as props…

Not just any kids – kids whose fathers’ have been killed in the war he keeps voting for. Don’t they have enough pain without his “ahem” fuckery?

Elliott @ 161

madmommy @ 160

It’s like saying Beetlejuice. I am going to be very careful clicking on links at Late Night :0)

me too :)

i triple dog dare ya to click when he shows up

greenwarrior @ 162

LoudounLib @ 149

Great — Rethugs using kids as props…

Not just any kids – kids whose fathers’ have been killed in the war he keeps voting for. Don’t they have enough pain without his “ahem” fuckery?

I should have expanded my remark (very tired here) but you said it better than I could have.

Elliott @ 161

madmommy @ 160

It’s like saying Beetlejuice. I am going to be very careful clicking on links at Late Night :0)

me too :)

Brain bleach? Check.
Towel to wipe up keyboard? Check.
Closing door, so as not to wake sleeping kid with screams of anguish/disgust? Check.

Suzanne @ 163

Elliott @ 161

me too :)

i triple dog dare ya to click when he shows up

oh man, I can’t walk away from a triple dog dare.

Meanwhile, Howie tells us there’s free beer this weekend.*

*some restrictions apply.

The Smoking Gun has the 4 page PDF of Regan’s Complaint against Fox… An interesting read…

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/a…..egan1.html

Suzanne @ 163

Elliott @ 161

me too :)

i triple dog dare ya to click when he shows up

Ooohh, moving right to the triple-dog dare, skipping over the dog and double-dog dare entirely. A breach in schoolyard etiquette, but I will take your challenge, madame. I willnot, however, lick a flagpole in dead of winter. ;0)

madmommy @ 169

Suzanne @ 163

i triple dog dare ya to click when he shows up

Ooohh, moving right to the triple-dog dare, skipping over the dog and double-dog dare entirely. A breach in schoolyard etiquette, but I will take your challenge, madame. I willnot, however, lick a flagpole in dead of winter. ;0)

nor will you get a fishnet stocking clad lamp

Suzanne @ 170

madmommy @ 169

Ooohh, moving right to the triple-dog dare, skipping over the dog and double-dog dare entirely. A breach in schoolyard etiquette, but I will take your challenge, madame. I willnot, however, lick a flagpole in dead of winter. ;0)

nor will you get a fishnet stocking clad lamp

damn

trex upstairs

madmommy @ 169

Suzanne @ 163

i triple dog dare ya to click when he shows up

Ooohh, moving right to the triple-dog dare, skipping over the dog and double-dog dare entirely. A breach in schoolyard etiquette, but I will take your challenge, madame. I willnot, however, lick a flagpole in dead of winter. ;0)

Ahh, why not, I’d do it here, in a heartbeat! :P

* clinkers *

greenwarrior @ 147

OT – just dropping in late:
this is from an email i received today entitled “Update from Senator John Cornyn” (R-Texas), and is truly sick:

“I was recently privileged to present Gold Medals of Remembrance at Fort Bliss in El Paso to eight children who have lost a father during the war on terror. This is a relatively new award, the first honoring children, and recognizes that sacrifices in defending freedom are not limited to those who volunteer.”

Sickens me. Using children to get his mug in the news…just a water carrier for Bush’s gang.

neurophius @ 129

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Her father’s Janet Reno.”

Can anyone deconstruct that for me? I mean, it is obviously absurd on its face, but what was he really saying?

That he’s a virulent HATER. Note that all the individuals referred to are women…including the implicit Hillary.

It suggests that Janet Reno is actually a male cross-dresser. HATE.
It suggests that Hillary Clinton was unfaithful. HATE.
It p[lays into the whole “Hillary is a lesbian”, thing. HATE.
It suggests that Chelsea is illegitimate. HATE.
It suggests that Chelsea is ugly. HATE.

Imagine the cruelty buried deep in the soul of a man that would attack a teenage girl as being ugly and illegitimate? Those are two things that one should NEVER tell children. McCain managed to do that in one sick “joke”.

Would he have tolerated anything like that being directed at his own daughters? Would he have tolerated the attack on HIS WIFE?

Yet this man referred to by Broder as exuding “greatness” did all these things. And he still believes that his sick jokes are “funny”…as in his recent “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran” joke.

It’s almost as if something stunted part of McCain’s psyche so that he remains an immature adolescent when it comes to realizing the consequence of his words.

Now, now, Eli: have you not seen the residue of Jerry Falwell’s jizz-annointing of McCain, dried on John’s chin?

How can you doubt the greatness of a candidate courageous enough to admit what a mistake he made a few short years ago, when he labelled the Jeebus-CEO of Liberty University as an extremist?

I tell you, it brought TEARS to my eyes, to observe John (clearly having seen the “I- HAVE-to-have-the-base-vote-to-stay-alive” light) down on his knees, to receive Jerry’s (and God’s!) endorsement.

And now, it breaks my heart that when Jerry did the Big Sky Hop, McCain turned out to have been politically fellating the wrong man of God, as Rudy bolted underneath Robertson’s cassock, to steal the snake-twirler manna for himself.

McCain’s next move is to dress up as Slim Pickens and get a campaign video made of himself hat-whipping a big JDAM onto Teheran.
If that doesn’t work, maybe he can get some photo-ops of himself tongue-wrestling with george bush. That way, Bobo can tell us about McCain’s “greatness”, as he climbs onto junior’s ebola-virus-slathered coattails.

CTuttle@168: Oh yes! I can practically SEE the staff here at the Lake arm-wrestling to see who gets to run with Judith’s suit against Harper/Collins. :o)

Rudy’s about to take another one, right in the shorts. :o)

CTuttle @ 148

Elliott @ 142

*sigh*

We have so far to go.

At least he put it out there and got the discussion started. it isn’t over. And sooner, maybe later, we will be realistic about the situation.

I agree! Did Hillary ask him to drop it…?

Spitzer’s approval ratings had dropped almost 20% over the last month, and the attacks on Hillary (who defended Spitzer) at the Democratic Presidential debate certainly didn’t help that. I got the impression that the other candidates were willing to thrown Spitzer under the bus TO ATTACK HILLARY.

Prairie Sunshine @ 117

egregious @ 104

Certainly anti-evolution. Have never heard it discussed with reference to being anti-Semitic.

Jumped out of the re-enacted trial testimony juxtaposed with actual commentary…their idea of the unholy trio: Marx, Darwin, Freud.
Something to consider?

Darwin was an Anglican, trained for the ministry at Cambridge, but agnostic later in his life. Marx and Freud were secular, non-practicing Jews. In fact, they were for all intents and purposes atheists. I find that the ID’ers are in all respects “fundamentalist Abrahamists”…their publicly stated position could fit well with fundamentalists of Islam (in fact ,they are supporters of Harun Yahya, who adapts much of the Creationist/ID material to the Islamic world), or some branches of Judaism.

The leaking of the ID Movements Wedge Document was important for two major reasons. It showed that the ID Movement was simply “Creationism with lipstick”, a non-Scientific Theory that intended to use religious pressure groups to achieve its goals.

And the goals? That is manifest in the term “The Wedge”. Evolution was simply the first point of entry to destroy the edifice of rationalism and replace it with “faith-based” “supernaturalism”. Darwin, Freud and Marx were seen as the easy targets of Rationalism…although one could have substituted Adam Smith for Marx, actually. The ID movement intended to replace “materialism” (the idea that observable and comprehensible forces in the natural world explains conditions…cause and effect, environment and biological interactions, historical and cultural impacts influence behavior, etc.) with “supernaturalism”.

History would be taught with the idea of prophecy being imminent…reversing effect with cause in the sequence of causation. The legal system would be remastered with the supernatural concepts of evil and impact on the goals of God, rather than examining mitigating circumstances. Thus if a murder had the impact of affirming a spiritual mission it would be forgiven, but not if the individual had been abused by the individual repeatedly (environment). Concepts of “relativism” would be eliminated, with absolutism substituted. Thus a dualistic world would be placed into existance…with good on one side, evil on the other. There would be no weighing of costs/benefits, no discussion of the relative harm or good that might accrue from an action.

LoudounLib @ 149

greenwarrior @ 147

OT – just dropping in late:
this is from an email i received today entitled “Update from Senator John Cornyn” (R-Texas), and is truly sick:

“I was recently privileged to present Gold Medals of Remembrance at Fort Bliss in El Paso to eight children who have lost a father during the war on terror. This is a relatively new award, the first honoring children, and recognizes that sacrifices in defending freedom are not limited to those who volunteer.”

Great — Rethugs using kids as props…

“Privileged to present”???

I would have said “Saddened to Present”. You put them into a war that results in them losing their father and you offer them a gold trinket. Do only kids that don’t criticize what you stole from them and their families get the trinket, Mr. Cornyn?

And defending freedom? Some would have some doubts that what we are defending in Iraq is “freedom”…except perhaps the “freedom” to become a refugee from ethnic cleansing, to embezzle millions of tax dollars if you are a high Iraqi official, and the freedom to shoot civilians without consequence if you are a Blackwater employee.

MCCAIN SUPPORTER: How do we beat the bitch?

How do you know she wasn’t talking about Giuliani?