Steve Benen at Carpetbagger and Greg Sergeant at TPM caught a whiff of…dare I say it…hypocrisy eminating from a recent Broder chat. I’ll let Steve explain the double standard:
Greg Sargent notes today that the Washington Post’s David Broder chatted with readers late last week, and there was a brief-but-interesting exchange.
New York: Will you and the media ever apply as much scrutiny to the Giuliani marriages as you have done to the single Clinton marriage?
David S. Broder: I plan to leave both subjects alone.
Is that so.
About a year ago, the NYT published a 2,000-word, front-page dissection of Bill and Hillary Clinton’s marriage. It contained no real news, few named sources, and plenty of gossip masquerading as political coverage. Observing that the Clintons typically spend 14 days of each month together — hardly unusual for a couple that includes a senator and a peripatetic former president — the Times opted for the half-empty conclusion that the two lead “largely separate lives.”
Just 48 hours later, it was none other than David Broder who devoted his column to the Clintons’ marriage. In fact, the day before his piece ran, Broder heard Hillary Clinton deliver a substance speech on energy policy. Broder said he was bored and wanted to hear more about the senator’s marriage. In fact, Broder concluded that the failure of reporters in the post-speech Q&A to grill Hillary about her personal relationship with her husband was the “elephant in the room.”
But now the Dean of the DC media establishment plans to leave both marriages alone. How big of him.
Now, as I recall, I had an on point question about this very issue when Mr. Broder was cheering on the panty raid of Hillary’s drawers. To wit:
Good heavens, don’t these people have anything better to do? Is Rudy Guiliani going to get the Mistress in the Mansion treatment? Do they plan on running the McCain divorce for the booze distribution heiress marriage up the flag pole to salute? I could go on, but I’m making myself queasy with the memories of 7th grade note passing. “Will u b my date 2 the dance? Write yes or no.”
For those keeping score, the answer to both questions and many, many more about any of the GOP candidates would be: No interest, no siree, no one could possibly have any questions, nope. Democrats? They are still fair game, all bets are off, we’ll poke into their panty drawers any time we feel the need.
Good to know where things stand inside the Chastity Beltway, isn’t it?
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Hypocrites.
zed?
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Good morning Christy.
Hello, Christy!
So close and yet so far.
And he’s sure as hell not going to leave the Clintons’ marriage alone now either.
David Broder is a goon. Just say it, the sound of the words is liberating. David Broder is a goon.
I suspect that the Giuliani marriages, and the mess he made of the second one, will be fair game for MSM all over the country if he’s the Repug nominee. New Yorkers are already all too familiar with his story. With most if not all of it.
I have long looked forward to a Hillary nomination from the standpoint of entertainment value. The Clinton’s drive right wing zombies absolutely NUTS- they froth- they have fits- they lose bladder and bowel control- IT’S FUNNY AS HELL.
So we may have THAT to look forward to.
Giuliani has oodles of skeletons out of (and some still in) his closet. And Bernard Kerik, who has vowed to fight his indictments, will not make things easy for Giuliani neither.
Oh, please keep challenging these f*wits on their double standard. I don’t know that it will shame them into changing any, but even old dogs can learn new tricks sometimes.
Sadly, this is another reason why Hillary should not be the nominee. I say “sadly” because I really want this to be about issues (like say her Kyl/Lieberman vote and her corporate connections) rather than about meaningless fluff.
Alas, you go to the election with the media that you have, not the media that you want. We have to have a candidate that is less vulnerable to this sort of self-righteous yellow journalism.
Bill’s long standing zipper problem didn’t kill anyone…Rudy put the command center in the WTC so he walk to the little nest to bang Miss Stapler; I think that did kill people.
I am tempted to say “sticks & stones . . . ” Look at how many Rs in Congress have been disgraced over this issue while the Clintons’ marriage seems as strong as ever.
rwcole @ 9
We need to take a really good look at WHY they hate her so much. It’s not the policies she talks about now – they have always hated her. It seems they had a fit about her before Bill was elected. What is it about this woman that drives them nuts? I have never understood it and still don’t. I can only believe that they truly detest smart vocal women. It’s an affront to their manly side. If so, tough nuggies.
Here’s the latest on the gooper primary- while Rudy has a two to one lead in the national race- Romney has a huge lead in the early states- setting Rudy up for a big smack!
Freddie in free fall with no visible means of support.
rwcole @ 9
707!
OMG – when are we going to graduate past this business? This is one of those arguments which leads me to believe that we will never, ever have a female president or vice president. Ever. We won’t even discuss the “Nancy Pelosi Effect” in terms of House Leader. She’s turned the phrase “female leadership skills” into kosher bacon.
The MSM is filled with hypocrits – it’s more than OK to discuss the Clinton’s marriage, to slice, dice and disect every nuance. But everyone else’s is off-limits – maybe until the candidate gets chosen. Then perhaps it is “open season”.
I think it is our difficulty as Americans to view women in leadership roles (Carly Fiorina, anyone?)without turning them into people with broomsticks or whips, OR into people who are nice, or look nice, and are basically ineffective. Why is it that we have not gotten beyond “either/or” when it comes to women? Drives me nuts.
I’ve worked for 35 years in business and education jobs, raised three kids with my husband, ran a livestock farm. Oh, yes, and I also can cook, sew, shear sheep, muck out a barn, milk goats, spin wool, knit, and have a pretty decent grasp of home decor and gardening. But I guess that means that I don’t have any leadership skills, huh?
The scorecard for the Cocktail Weenie Kids should be something like this:
Guiliani: Serial Adulterer?
McCain: Marriage Opportunist?
Thompson: Family Values includes divorce?
Huckabee: Will power and prayer allowed me to lose 100 pounds
I could go on, but I would lose my appetite for lunch.
Remember, it’s OK if you’re a Republican. (IOKIYAR).
Twain
I’m not sure either- but the “two for one” thing may have started it- along with Hillary taking the lead on health care rather than baking cookies…
Lots of goopers are traditionalists and they want Mamie Eisenhower in the White House in perpetuity….Wasn’t there a similar gooper reaction to Eleanor?
Lets see…. hasn’t Mitt,Giuliani, McCain and Thompson have someone in their campaign or close associate in trouble with the law AND all you hear is a few crickets?
If it was a Democrat…..they would of been pillared by the media and the wingnut talking heads to resigning, shutting down their campaigns and slinking back home.
Yep…. to them that is fair..
Freddie Thompson’s campaign has all the passion of someone running because a friend at the country club put the arm on him and he couldn’t say no to such a good friend. so, sigh, he’ll do it…
he really doesn’t want it and it shows.
rwcole @ 20
Yes, they hated Eleanor. She dared to have opinions. Isn’t that just like a woman!
Twain @ 15
I think it’s both Clintons that drive the wingnuts nuts. Think their problem with Bill is that he’s so personally appealing (the I-feel-your-pain thing) and he stole some of their fire by moving right. He also postponed the permanent R control of the country for 8 years. Since they could find nothing of substance to attack him on (another facgtor that drove them crazy), they had to hone in on his sexual exploits.
You are right about their visceral hatred for powerful women. Very threatening in a castrating kind of way. AND she is associated with him. AND she took over the medical care issue. Three very big strikes.
Twain @ 15
You are right..They have been attacking her for >25 years. In the early eighties it mostly her looks and the fact that she was Hillary Rodham. The fact that she didn’t use her husband’s name really drove them bat-shit crazy..and that pretty much explains things, I think.
Good thread, Christy; and we all know that repub jizzum is God’s holy water, while democratic…emissions, are Satan’s lube job.
I agree; Clinton’s relationship with Bill is VERY small potatoes. Or no potatoes at all.
But they can’t very well go after her for schmoozing with Rupert and FauxNews. :o)
Toby Wollin @ 18
Oh, you are So Right! There are many women who have worked full time, paid the bills (meaning balanced the budget every month), raised a family which includes food prep and clean-up, home interior decorating, landscaping and maintenance, driving the kids to scouts, sports etc. And, then, when you go for a job interview, they ask you about your management experience…Ha! They have No Idea.
IMO, many hate Hillary because she comes across as a bluestocking. Especially to married men over 44, according to latest polls.
What’s a “bluestocking”?
Not only hypocrisy but also a lie.
There is no doubt that Broder will write about the Clintons in some veiled way.
This just goes to show he has bought into the Plunger’s baloney in a big way.
EvilDrPuma @ 7
David Broder is a goon
His maunderings sound like those of a loon
Bugs would say that Broder’s a maroon
And I bet he can’t even carry a tune.
The reason tweety et al hate her so much is because she has contempt for them and doesn’t pander to their crapola.
I don’t like Rudy because he consorts with criminals…
I’m feeling very bipartisan today!
I don’t like Mitt because he consorts with criminals…
I don’t like Fred because he consorts with criminals…
I don’t like Hilary because she consorts with criminals…
I don’t like Obama because he consorts with Lieberman…
dakine01 @ 31
And we wish he would go away soon.
Of all of the anti-Hillary comments that I have seen on this site…the two that really burn my ass the most are:
1)Hillary got to where she is by riding on Bill’s coat tails.
2) Hillary has never had a real job in her life.
rwcole @ 29
A woman who thinks “too much”…
do-si-do @ 33
Good one!
do-si-do @ 34
He has all the style of a crap-flinging baboon.
(Okay, so we’re not Dr. Seuss….)
Why do the Rethugs hate Hillary Clinton? She’s been on their radar for almost 35 years:
“During 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.[47][48] Under the guidance of Chief Counsel John Doar and senior member Bernard Nussbaum,[32] Rodham helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.[48] The committee’s work culminated in the resignation of President Richard Nixon in August 1974.”
By this time, Hillary Rodham had already refused Bill Clinton’s proposal of marriage once already. She is an independent woman and always has been. Rethugs HATE smart, independent, thinking women. They want women who will shut up, stay at home, have babies and not challenge them. They are afraid of women like that.
EvilDrPuma @ 38
You have me singing
with the word “crap flinging”
I know we can go on until noon.
Good piece.
Broder is the poster child for what is wrong with our media .
do-si-do @ 40
When we launch Broder off to the moon.
I just had to shoo a doe off of my front lawn. I shouted at her from the second floor but she didn’t budge. (Didn’t seem to know where the sound was coming from.) Had to throw a couple of things at her before she ran off.
Having had a ring-side seat for 25 of those 35 years..I would say very afraid.
dakine01 @ 31
How about this:
David Broder is such a big goon
His maunderings sound like a loon
He says he’s all clean
And being serene
But I bet he can’t carry a tune.
Broder’s just a gooper in denial…..tryin to pretend to be “non-partisan”. If he’d just come out of the closet he’d be fine.
Bustednuckles @ 41
It would be tough for me to name just one poster child for what’s wrong with our media.
Steve-AR @ 44
Steve,
What was that ring-side seat, may I ask?
Toby Wollin @ 39
Does anyone have a time machine? Please go and bring back her idealism.
I’d vote for that Hillary.
So we may have THAT to look forward to.
707!
And do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga gunga – gunga galunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he’s gonna stiff me. And I say, “Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.” And he says, “Oh, uh, there won’t be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consiousness.” So I got that goin’ for me, which is nice.
SteveInNC @ 49
Sorry – no can do. The Rethugs beat it out of her a long time ago. She was forged in that furnace and now we are left with a sword with a very sharp edge.
2008 will be a clusterfuck of the following:
Foster, 9/11, Whitewater, 9/11, cheating husbands, 9/11, Watergate mole, 9/11, spying on Americans, 9/11, Iran-Contra, 9/11, Monica L, 9/11, Monica G, 9/11, Mark Rich, 9/11, Libby and Mark Rich, 9/11, Sandy Berger, 9/11, pre-war lies, 9/11, Iraq occupation, 9/11, Iran, 9/11, war, 9/11, war, 9/11, abortion, 9/11, Jesus, 9/11, A***C, 9/11, healthcare, 9/11, Iran, Iran, Iran, and of course, the economy. What am I missing??
I used to think that Broder had just lapsed into a vague eccentric state of irrelevancy like an old uncle studying ways to use earwax but now I think he mainlines the Beltway CW. Hypocrisy, lies, and sanctimony are his stock in trade. Pointing out his faults has meaning for us but not for him. For him, it is merely the presumption of the unwashed masses who in his view of the world should shut up and let him tell them what they think.
EvilDrPuma @ 42
I had us all bending over
and saluting the little Bush Rover
But he’s now on a rocket
In Bush’s back pocket
Finding euros instead of the clover.
ugh!
from a slightly different perspective, can you imagine a woman with Giuliani’s past having any chance at all at elective office at any level.
More detail here: http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/ja…..r_politics
Steve-AR @ 35
Neither has the current occupant of the Oval Office — since when was that a bar to election?
LS @ 52
Liberals lost China and Vietnam, 9/11
If anyone’s claimed that Hillary has never had a real job in her life- they’re braindead. She was a successful lawyer for years- and now a US Senator for over seven years.
Think the goopers want to fight the Vietnam war AGAIN? Maybe- they NEVER give up a war that’s over.
rwcole @ 58
I’m not sure I would really throw
those up as examples of jobs. . .
raven @ 57
wow, is 9/11 the new “zeig heil”? I think so.
uh, 9/11!
rwcole @ 58
They will say she’s a professional pinko commie….and Thompson will point out how well the Soviet Union is doing these days.
rwcole @ 59
That’s what I like about the South!
I’d be happy that they devote no time to Guiliani’s marriages and instead focused on how psychotic his foreign policy would be, or how he’s abandoned his principles re. gun laws, immigration, the rule of law, etc.
rw at 58 — Not to mention that she also has worked as a children’s rights advocate, working closely with Marion Wright Edelman’s Children’s Defense Fund for years. (which is another reason that the right wing has had it in for her from the early years…remember the idiotic hoo haw about her “It Takes A Village” book? As though it doesn’t take a committed community to raise decent kids? Sheesh…)
Hugh @ 53
Broder kind of embodies the banality of evil, doesn’t he? Or maybe it’s the evil of banality. Something like that. Heavy on the banality.
rwcole @ 59
The invasion of Iraq was the goopers chance to win the VN War.
Raven
Well you work and you get paid. Sounds like a job to me. Actually, I’ve never known any group who works as hard as lawyers. Don’t know about Senators.
rwcole @ 68
Oh lighten up, it was a joke!
eCAHNomics @ 67
Not really…but maybe they believed it.
LS @ 62
Except for the fact that the Soviet Union no longer exists.
Cahn
Hey- I think you’ve GOT it—makes SENSE- and it was Clusterfuck’s chance to finally serve during combat.
Clusterfuck is one of those who has long complained that we shoulda won in the NAM but the politicians took that game ball away from the generals…..
He obviously wasn’t paying much attention to how long Westmoreland had the fuckin ball.
Helpless Dancer @ 71
You know that. I know that. Fred Thompson seems not to know that.
Helpless Dancer @ 71
That is the snark…Thompson has mentioned it at least twice…he’s clueless
Raven
Hell- even lawyers deserve a nice word now and again.
OK, I guess we’re far enough down thread…
The latest wingnut finger-in-the-wind comment I heard was this. “Oh everyone wants to forget 9/11 ever happened. like oh, ‘everything’s ok now’”
This is the same person who, when 9/11 happened, said “if we are afraid, the terrorists win”.
only fear would allow us to strip away so many frigging civil liberties. Why can’t the wingnuts follow up on staunch conservative values such as existing law and enforcing existing law?? Making existing law work better?
sigh
rwcole @ 75
Hell yes, I’ve had more than one help me beat various raps!
EvilDrPuma @ 66
ROFL!
Thompson’s waiting for his campaign to get off the ground.
“See here campaign- when are ya gonna get MOVIN?”
demi @ 48
Nothing exciting..just living in central AR..working at the hospital where Hillary was a board member and at one time being involved with medical care of her dad.
rwcole @ 68
How about fulltime moms? Unpaid. Nobody, nobody works longer or harder.
rwcole @ 72
Yeah, a lot of things made sense when I figured out that’s how the Rs looked at Iraq.
rwcole @ 79
It never left the starting gate. How did he ever manage to learn his lines while he was acting – so dumb.
Twain @ 83
Cue cards.
do-si-do @ 76
My response would be to open up investigations again…look at Ptech and PROMIS (the Canadians and the Swiss are right now), go listen to Indira Singh, for example. Take back 9/11.
EvilDrPuma @ 84
I thought it was a teleprompter?
raven @ 86
Right. I’m thinking too low tech.
Hannah Arendt: The Banality of Evil…
LS @ 74
Oh I know that. I’m just one of these people that just have to point out the obvious.
A question I’ve raised before is how we can encourage and get more women to run for office (Democrat or otherwise). I think this discussion we are having right here is one reason why women do not – they know that no matter what their circumstances are, they are going to be eviscerated in public. They can’t win -
whether they are married or not.
If they are married, if their husbands have ever done anything, someone will find out about it and beat them up with it.
If they are not married, they will be beaten up with that issue. Are they lesbians? What’s wrong with them?
If they are married and never had kids, they will be beaten up with that. Are they cold? Is there something wrong with them? Are they lesbians?
If they ever had any sexual history before their husbands, or had prior husbands, well, then it’s “open season”.
Educational history. Work history. You name it and they will get beaten up with it.
No wonder we can’t get more women to even get involved. Unless they are internally tough, they’d never survive.
New and improved 7th-grade note:
Will you go to the dance with me? Check one:
– Yes.
– Hell, yes.
– Other (please explain).
Maybe familiarity with this format would help Broder, but I doubt it.
yellowsnapdragon @ 81
Nobody works harder than a fulltime mom or dad with a spouse on a third or fourth tour of duty in a failing war…nobody worries harder, either.
LS @ 85
Um, I think you lost me…is there a Ptech for dummies article I can read?
thanks.
Well, nobody’s hearing from Thompson now because there’s a writers strike on..
LS @ 74
Are you serious? Well, thank goodness the media have been all over his mistake.
Toby Wollin @ 90
But we outlive the b*st*rds !
itwasntme @ 94
You think you’re clever, and you’re right.
Helpless Dancer @ 89
It took me several years, and a conscious effort, to stop saying Soviet Union. But I had managed to do it by 07.
do-si-do @ 93
http://video.google.com/videop…..&hl=en
egregious @ 95
It’s OK to be a screaming moron if you’re a Republican. (IOKTBASMIYAR.)
Ed*ard Teller @ 92
Hear, hear!
Just to even things out a bit..There are women who feel threated by Hillary and the usual attack is that Hillary was a bad mother because she relied on Bill to help raise Chelsey. They ignore the fact that Hillary was the primary wage earner and as far as time goes, was burning the candle from both ends.
itwasntme at 94 — Dang — that should have come with a spew warning. Good one!
Thanks LS, I’m going over to watch now.
Steve-AR @ 102
The proof is in the pudding. She is a lovely young woman.
From the collected fuckery of David Brooks:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11…..mp;ei=5087
Well, we now know who gives Brooks a chubby which definitely falls into the TMI category. This is really just another riff on McCain as straighshooter and maverick, a characterization that always irritates me. The truth is that McCain is nothing more than a cranky arch-conservative.
OT
Gov Spitzer, who was elected a year ago with over 60% of the vote, is down to 33% approval.
Hugh @ 106
Good Lord,
Broder and Bobo in the same thread.
Hugh @ 106
It’s all sunshine and lollipops in Brooksworld, isn’t it?
do-si-do @ 36
Is that what this reference has become?
I guess it all depends on your perspective. The term used to have a more favorable connotation– at least in some circles.
Bob in HI
Bustednuckles @ 108
I know. We may need banality vaccinations in here.
Biodun @ 88
The banality of GWOT is being asked to remove your flip flops at airport security.
Chelsea Clinton…
bobschacht @ 110
That’s the perception in Britain. Here, where we have such a strong streak of anti-intellectualism the notion of a thinking woman is a negative.
:-P
bobschacht @ 112:
bluestocking:
Not necessarily negative.
Sparkatus @ 112
It sounds like you’re channeling GSD(BTW that is a good thing).
bobschacht @ 110
I put the “too much” to indicate snark of the view that a woman could think “too much” and in addition that that might be considered a bad thing. Hence, the reaction that HRC is a toxic allergen that must be stopped.
Toby Wollin @ 90
Hillary is all of the above; she is a bad mom, she is a working mom who doesn’t have a real job, her husband fools around because: 1) she is frigid 2) she is a lesbian 3) who would want to F her 4) all of the above.
Hillary ain’t stupid, she gets hammered not matter what. Edwards says he is sorry he voted for the Iraq war, he is sorry he was a big supporter of the Bankruptcy Law..blah, blah..”Look he is a real man, he can say he made a mistake and is sorry.
If Hillary said she made a mistake about anything..blah..blah..”See, what do you expect form a woman, can’t stick with a decision..blah..blah..that’s why a woman can’t be Commander in Chief, blah..blah.
Sparkatus @ 112
It’s the Great War On Toejam.
BTW, the definition @ 115 is from dictionary.com.
Biodun @ 120
Dang, people, I know it’s a good thing! I was being sarcastic!
:P
Biodun @ 113
Thanks..fingers faster than brain.
do-si-do @ 121
That’s a weird word, never heard that one b4
LS @ 52
terra, 9/11
Do you think the NY Times would do such a story if their circulation was not decreasing and maybe they are a little desperate for readers?
The Fox has shot his wad and the hens are frankly, disappointed. The lame-brained, laissez-fare, deregulated loony goon in charge lost his marbles and is now facing debtors gaol. Watch a flummoxed fox try and deny this…
Mortgage Loan Losses Pose Risk of Systemic Shock, Peters Says
Ha ha. The hens will do a much better job balancing the budget, feeding the kids and providing for the general good than the fox ever could. No more chokin’ the chicken hawk.
Steve-AR @ 118
Presumably then,
an HRC Presidency
would be above the
banality of error -
or, at least, the
admission of such?
Well, that would be
something different.
btw, Toby, I trust
you are no longer
a Zed-less person?
do-si-do @ 121:
I knew that you were… Others: not so much…*g*
David Broder, once the professed “Dean of the Beltway press corps” by fauning and slavish colleagues has become the Dunce of the Beltway.
David W. Bartoo @ 127
Yes, David – thank you for asking; I cherish my zeds…they have their own little Zed-haus on my desk *g
NYT and the WaPo are both garbage serving the interests of a priviledged and pampered elite, not the interests of the American people.
New threadage above.
Spitz should have stuck with crushing corporate rip offs
do-si-do @ 61
That would be great if we started doing the “salute” whenever someone said it. Make it precisely what they are using it for…a fascist salute.
Hell…if a Democrat gets elected PERU might cut off its oil to the US of A.
SteveInNC @ 12
They can’t run against on those things…since they are worse than her.
eCAHNomics @ 107
Thanks in part to Democratic solidarity.
I don’t recall similar discussions about Bob & Elizabeth Dole? Seems the spent time apart when one or the other was campaigning.
Dip that answer from Dean Broder in Bronze and then smack the lying scumbag upside the head with it the next time he stage a panty raid on Hillary’s drawers — which should be within the week.
Make sure L’il Debbie knows about it too.
Twain @ 15
I used to think that too. Since I live in a very, very red state, most of my co-workers vote Republican most of the time. During the Clinton years, their hatred for Hillary was so visceral and so irrational that I too thought they had a deep fear of powerful women. But now they hate Al Gore at least as much as they hate Hillary Clinton. They are absolutely convinced he is a serial exaggerator and a loony tree hugger. No amount of evidence to the contrary can change their minds. They claim to dislike Bush now, but they voted for him twice. Some of them say they are open to voting Dem and mention Richardson as a possibility. But I really don’t think they will vote Dem. They will find some excuse to dislike the Dem nominee, no matter who it is, and vote Repub again.