1?

nitwits!

Wow, I made dinner tween the zeds.

Stupidity is not gender specific.

Yet another reason to give the DCL and DCCC to the RNC.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 4

Stupidity is not gender specific.

Or exclusive.

Nancy must have thrown NARAL a big bone…

Alex, I’ll take “Piss Off Jane Hamsher” for $200, please.

Is there any reason for NARAL to jump into a race to the detriment of a total pro-choice woman?

It’s stuff like this that makes me dig in my heels and fight harder.

How does a non-profit organization get away with endorsing political candidates without risking their tax status?

Really, what is Keenan thinking? Doesn’t she know the netroots will slay NARAL over this? Did Pelosi drag them into this? Have they any sense at all?

Can’t wait for the next fundraising solicitation to arrive in the mail.

Perhaps Congressman Wynn could elaborate more about which parts of his record he considers not perfect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2xYl2hswY4

Fern @ 10

How does a non-profit organization get away with endorsing political candidates without risking their tax status?

I’m not a tax expert, but there are types of non-profits that are specifically organized to lobby and support candidates, and I bet NARAL is one.

TeddySanFran @ 11

Really, what is Keenan thinking? Doesn’t she know the netroots will slay NARAL over this? Did Pelosi drag them into this? Have they any sense at all?

Can’t wait for the next fundraising solicitation to arrive in the mail.

Could we just please go after NARAL? I think they consult with Rahm before each decision is made.

Clearly NARAL has more money than sense.

LS @ 7

Nancy must have thrown NARAL a big bone…

Do you have an idea of what kind of bone? What would they get?
Women’s rights cannot afford any steps backward at this point.

Eureka Springs @ 16

Clearly NARAL has more money than sense.

ding!

Consistent isn’t she?
Consistently doing the wrong thing.
I wonder how much money is involved here?

demi @ 17

LS @ 7

Nancy must have thrown NARAL a big bone…

Do you have an idea of what kind of bone? What would they get?
Women’s rights cannot afford any steps backward at this point.

Some kind of donation or promise…I dunno.

Jane- I saw that in the WaPo article this weekend- the one above where you were much quoted. I was hoping you would take on the NARAL issue. NARAL needs to be exposed (again).

Challenger to Wynn Hopes For Edge From Internet Buzz

~~~(snippets from Jane:)
In front of a crowd of several hundred cheering supporters, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) clasped hands with Rep. Albert R. Wynn (D-Md.) last weekend and declared that it was a “political and personal pleasure” for her to endorse his run for a ninth term in Congress.

For Wynn, the Nov. 3 fundraiser was a chance to demonstrate his party bona fides and the benefits of his seniority, which has brought him the chairmanship of a subcommittee and new visibility as part of Congress’s Democratic majority.

But for liberal bloggers across the country who have embraced his leading opponent in the Feb. 12 Democratic primary, Fort Washington lawyer Donna F. Edwards, it had exactly the opposite effect.

“It reinforced what we like to call the incumbent protection racket,” said Jane Hamsher, who runs the site Firedoglake.com.~~~

I don’t understand how the rest of the NARAL organization suffers Nancy Keenan. NARAL seems to be an utterly corrupt organization that serves only itself by perpetuating fundraising. It certainly does not advocate any womens’ health that I can see.

can we find out who is funding NARAL? anyone who is a big donor that we can embarrass?

seems like there outta be a list somewhere.

OldCoastie @ 18

Eureka Springs @ 16

Clearly NARAL has more money than sense.

ding!

who is still feeding the beast?

OldCoastie @ 23

can we find out who is funding NARAL? anyone who is a big donor that we can embarrass?

seems like there outta be a list somewhere.

That and a list of board members.

TeddySanFran @ 11

Really, what is Keenan thinking? Doesn’t she know the netroots will slay NARAL over this? Did Pelosi drag them into this? Have they any sense at all?

Can’t wait for the next fundraising solicitation to arrive in the mail.

Just got one at the office from the DCCC. I’m going to tell them how I feel about capitulation and enablement. And that I give only to bona fide progressive candidates and to Act Blue.

NARAL is not a 501(c)(3); they are permitted to endorse candidates and engage in legislative lobbying, and contributions are not tax-deductible.

According to their web site, they are a 501(c)(4). I think that the ACLU has the same legal status.

What about Wynn’s record? Any cases where he voted against choice?

I wish I had more time to do teh google right now, but I have exams to grade.

However, the last time NARAL and Keenan were the focus of FDL there was a lot of information out there- board members, charity ranking. I can’t remember the site that evaluated the effectiveness of various charities, but NARAL got pretty much a failing grade.

Alex,
I’ll take CHS-power for $100.
and maybe again on tuesday.

Go Jane GO!

TeddySanFran @ 11

Really, what is Keenan thinking? Doesn’t she know the netroots will slay NARAL over this? Did Pelosi drag them into this? Have they any sense at all?

Can’t wait for the next fundraising solicitation to arrive in the mail.

They’ve been on my NOPE (Not One Penny Ever) list since Joe Lieberman.

Al Wynn is the Number 3 moneygrubber for the Congressional Democrats which seems to be the why Speaker Pelosi is so fond of him.

And when the scent of money is in the air, can Nancy Keenan be far behind?

Shorter Speaker Pelosi: “Money talks, and peasants walk.”

Shorter Al Wynn: “Money talks, and peasants walk.”

Shorter Nancy Keenan: “Money talks, and peasants walk.”

Sung in the key of “Me”.

Wynn, who is from Mitchellville, has been pushing to impeach Vice President Cheney. He voted to require that troops be withdrawn from Iraq. He also brags about his role in pushing the State Children’s Health Insurance Program bill, recently vetoed by President Bush, as well as a program that provides grants to local governments that are trying to save energy.

rwcole @ 33

Wynn, who is from Mitchellville, has been pushing to impeach Vice President Cheney. He voted to require that troops be withdrawn from Iraq. He also brags about his role in pushing the State Children’s Health Insurance Program bill, recently vetoed by President Bush, as well as a program that provides grants to local governments that are trying to save energy.

He had a come to jeesbuzz moment when he realized that he was gonna get trounced by Edwards. He’s been bailing as fast as he can in the hopes of saving his sinking boat.

puppethead @ 22

I don’t understand how the rest of the NARAL organization suffers Nancy Keenan. NARAL seems to be an utterly corrupt organization that serves only itself by perpetuating fundraising. It certainly does not advocate any womens’ health that I can see.

Well you know, now that you mention it, we hope to be having more on that front soon.

Short answer — they don’t.

OldCoastie @ 23

can we find out who is funding NARAL? anyone who is a big donor that we can embarrass?

seems like there outta be a list somewhere.

I dunno, NARAL is a PAC so it makes sense that the DCL/DCCC would hit them up an endorsement.

rwcole @ 33

Wynn, who is from Mitchellville, has been pushing to impeach Vice President Cheney. He voted to require that troops be withdrawn from Iraq. He also brags about his role in pushing the State Children’s Health Insurance Program bill, recently vetoed by President Bush, as well as a program that provides grants to local governments that are trying to save energy.

Does anybody think he would be doing this if Donna hadn’t come within a hair’s breath of defeating him last year?

I think that’s a good enough reason to stick with her right there.

If they don’t do much for womens health issues then it sounds like a fancy money laundering service.

Bustednuckles @ 38

If they don’t do much for womens health issues then it sounds like a fancy money laundering service.

a very interesting and on point observation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO4wbZVwchg

above is link to 2006 debate bet. Edwards and Wynn. It’s short- watch Al Wynn talk about Iraq. That will tell you what you need to know. Buffoon.

Jane–I know nothing about this guy- I just thought that the part about Cheney from what you posted was interesting. Is he “pro life”?

Valley Girl @ 29

I wish I had more time to do teh google right now, but I have exams to grade.

However, the last time NARAL and Keenan were the focus of FDL there was a lot of information out there- board members, charity ranking. I can’t remember the site that evaluated the effectiveness of various charities, but NARAL got pretty much a failing grade.

3rd google hit for “NARAL contributors” naral responds

rwcole @ 33

Wynn, who is from Mitchellville, has been pushing to impeach Vice President Cheney. He voted to require that troops be withdrawn from Iraq. He also brags about his role in pushing the State Children’s Health Insurance Program bill, recently vetoed by President Bush, as well as a program that provides grants to local governments that are trying to save energy.

All these positions are new since Donna Edwards’ squeaker challenge to him in 2006. He voted for the war and voted for the bankruptcy bill. We don’t want Democrats who need almost-successful intraparty challenges in order to stay in line. We want Democrats who share Democratic values as a matter of heart and instinct.

I’ve no doubt Al Wynn will return to his corporatist ways after the primary, win or lose. He’d better feather his little nest well, because Donna Edwards is going to trounce him.

Charity Navigator gives NARAL a “poor” rating -
NARAL rating and gives the name of their head of their constituency development officer and her salarly ($127,000) – Lisa Horowitz. Perhaps Lisa would like to hear from this constituency?

Once again, over to Blue Am.

Joe Buck @ 27

NARAL is not a 501(c)(3); they are permitted to endorse candidates and engage in legislative lobbying, and contributions are not tax-deductible.

According to their web site, they are a 501(c)(4). I think that the ACLU has the same legal status.

Thanks – clears that up.

If men were suddenly the one’s who had babies, I’ve heard it said, there’d be no people.

tw3k @ 42

Valley Girl @ 29

I wish I had more time to do teh google right now, but I have exams to grade.

However, the last time NARAL and Keenan were the focus of FDL there was a lot of information out there- board members, charity ranking. I can’t remember the site that evaluated the effectiveness of various charities, but NARAL got pretty much a failing grade.

3rd google hit for “NARAL contributors” naral responds

Well! DONT be too cryptic, because people have to be enticed to click the links! That was great- a classic FDL post by Jane. Thanks for link. NARAL has been the object of FDL attention before now, for sure!

We’ve been blowing up babies for some time now in Iraq.

KO points out junya’s absense from Arlington… has there ever been any other president that has missed that ceremony?

Also from Charity Nav – NARAl runs at a deficit and its revenues have dropped from about $9.2 million in 2003 to $5.6 million in 2005.

Bustednuckles @ 38

If they don’t do much for womens health issues then it sounds like a fancy money laundering service.

I just went to the site – looks like a garden variety political lobbying group. If they have thrown their support to Wynne, then they probably feel he’s going to be the winner.
Now, what will they do if he loses?

Siun @ 51

Also from Charity Nav – NARAl runs at a deficit and its revenues have dropped from about $9.2 million in 2003 to $5.6 million in 2005.

how could a PAC run at a deficit? that seems rather fishy.

Dear heavens, Bush has Angela Merkel walking in the schrub for a photo op. Money does not buy class 101.

Siun @ 44

Charity Navigator gives NARAL a “poor” rating -
NARAL rating and gives the name of their head of their constituency development officer and her salarly ($127,000) – Lisa Horowitz. Perhaps Lisa would like to hear from this constituency?

cool, I added it to sourcewatch.

Just checking out Wynn’s website- sounds solid against the war and pro choice….

Noticed NARAL is a bunch of cowards as well – their contact form is of course broken and do they offer an email address? I sent money to NARAL in the past but never again, their support of Lieberman in ‘06 clinched that. How do we teach these stupids the difference between an incumbent Bush Dog (aka DINO) and a progressive? Or is it even possible?

Does Keenan have political ambitions? (as in wants to run for office?)

Siun @ 51

Also from Charity Nav – NARAl runs at a deficit and its revenues have dropped from about $9.2 million in 2003 to $5.6 million in 2005.

Siun- thanks for doing teh google. That is in line with what I learned last time around re: NARAL. Awful, awful ratings.

1,657 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Maybe you’ve covered this before but where’s Emily’s List in this…do they endorse in primaries? And, with two young women daughters, I’m more frustrated than usual with regard ta this NARL thing…and Pelosi is a linchpin for the corrupt money laundry and fake pro-choice NARL. How has Pelosi managed ta build a reputation as a “progressive”…she’s a slick big city machine politician who’s gunna hafta be screwed inta her coffin when she dies she’s so two-faced.

KEEP THE FAITH AND CHOOSE YER FRIENDS CAREFULLY!!

OT: Can someone explain to me how a company (e-trade, in this case) case lose over HALF of its value in a day? Did they really have more than half of their value in subprime loans?

Valley Girl @ 48

tw3k @ 42

3rd google hit for “NARAL contributors” naral responds

Well! DONT be too cryptic, because people have to be enticed to click the links! That was great- a classic FDL post by Jane. Thanks for link. NARAL has been the object of FDL attention before now, for sure!

cryptic :’( that’s what my ex-gf called me!

But, true! FDL past coverage is how I learned about NARAL.

OldCoastie @ 50

KO points out junya’s absense from Arlington… has there ever been any other president that has missed that ceremony?

Don’t know, but I think I saw someplace that he jumped out of a plane to celebrate.
The man is barking mad.

Toby Wollin @ 52

Bustednuckles @ 38

If they don’t do much for womens health issues then it sounds like a fancy money laundering service.

I just went to the site – looks like a garden variety political lobbying group. If they have thrown their support to Wynne, then they probably feel he’s going to be the winner.
Now, what will they do if he loses?

From what I learned last time around with NARAL, I would not even give them that much credit- i.e. thinking that Wynn will win. They (national NARAL) have taken some really dumb and counter-productive stances in the past.

NorskeFlamethrower @ 60

1,657 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Maybe you’ve covered this before but where’s Emily’s List in this…do they endorse in primaries? And, with two young women daughters, I’m more frustrated than usual with regard ta this NARL thing…and Pelosi is a linchpin for the corrupt money laundry and fake pro-choice NARL. How has Pelosi managed ta build a reputation as a “progressive”…she’s a slick big city machine politician who’s gunna hafta be screwed inta her coffin when she dies she’s so two-faced.

KEEP THE FAITH AND CHOOSE YER FRIENDS CAREFULLY!!

Emily’s List has endorsed Donna Edwards.

tw3k @ 55

Siun @ 44

Charity Navigator gives NARAL a “poor” rating -
NARAL rating and gives the name of their head of their constituency development officer and her salarly ($127,000) – Lisa Horowitz. Perhaps Lisa would like to hear from this constituency?

cool, I added it to sourcewatch.

Would you be so kind as to share a link to what you did.. Btw, I found your work on swopas post at digg and did a little digging too. Thanks.

Toby Wollin @ 63

OldCoastie @ 50

KO points out junya’s absense from Arlington… has there ever been any other president that has missed that ceremony?

Don’t know, but I think I saw someplace that he jumped out of a plane to celebrate.
The man is barking mad.

DaddyO (GHW Bush) jumped from a plane to celebrate library opening.

Georgie Porgie back at the ranch.

NARAL has a PAC, a 501(c)(4) and a 501(c)(3)

NARAL’s Nancy Keenan needs a Michael Moore-esque moment with Jane.

Pelosi is not a very good Speaker of the House. And she is not my idea what it means to be a Democrat.

Toby Wollin @ 63

OldCoastie @ 50

KO points out junya’s absense from Arlington… has there ever been any other president that has missed that ceremony?

Don’t know, but I think I saw someplace that he jumped out of a plane to celebrate.
The man is barking mad.

That was 41.

Well, Donna Edwards just got my NARAL dues for 2010. Or is it 2012, I’ve lost count. If NARAL ever pulls its head out of its butt and realizes that this is the age of the Internet, maybe I’ll renew my membership before I’m eligible for Social Security.

Once upon a time an FDLer gave me a link for a site to post videos (not YouTube). Please again? I can’t find it. I have a short Pelosi video I’d like you all to see. edit- p.s. was it you, tw3k?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 70

Pelosi is not a very good Speaker of the House.

You get to be “King of Understatement” today for that one.

TeddySanFran @ 8

Alex, I’ll take “Piss Off Jane Hamsher” for $200, please.

Is there any reason for NARAL to jump into a race to the detriment of a total pro-choice woman?

My thoughts exactly Teddy. I’ve called them several times when Jane raised the flag, and you could hear the hate coming through the line.

Why in the world would anyone donate money to NARAL?

Eureka Springs @ 66

tw3k @ 55

cool, I added it to sourcewatch.

Would you be so kind as to share a link to what you did.. Btw, I found your work on swopas post at digg and did a little digging too. Thanks.

Charity Rating on sourcewatch. I’m new to wiki editing so it’s not in the “Contents” part.

Hey, I’m new to digg too! Time to turn the rights’ rhetoric back at them!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 47

If men were suddenly the one’s who had babies, I’ve heard it said, there’d be no people.

LOL! Ain’t that the truth.

petedownunder @ 71

Toby Wollin @ 63

Don’t know, but I think I saw someplace that he jumped out of a plane to celebrate.
The man is barking mad.

That was 41.

Oh, he wants to end the pain early? There’s another seriously delusional guy.

OldCoastie @ 50

KO points out junya’s absense from Arlington… has there ever been any other president that has missed that ceremony?

Did he miss it because he’s afraid of Jim Webb? Not to mention Ron Kovic and Bobby Mueller.

What was that Jane said?

oh yeah…
“You can give to Donna here.”
*s*

Oklahoma kiddo @ 76

Why in the world would anyone donate money to NARAL?

Because they’re quite elderly and want to order their affairs, so they call a lawyer and allocate part of their estate to various charities and PACs.
This is where (I’ve heard, anyway) a lot of charities get their money.

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 80

OldCoastie @ 50

KO points out junya’s absense from Arlington… has there ever been any other president that has missed that ceremony?

Did he miss it because he’s afraid of Jim Webb? Not to mention Ron Kovic and Bobby Mueller.

I think he just forgot to go or something.

tw3k @ 77

Eureka Springs @ 66

Would you be so kind as to share a link to what you did.. Btw, I found your work on swopas post at digg and did a little digging too. Thanks.

Charity Rating on sourcewatch. I’m new to wiki editing so it’s not in the “Contents” part.

Hey, I’m new to digg too! Time to turn the rights’ rhetoric back at them!

Charity Navigator’s page on NARAL. Unfortunately both Javascript and Macromedia are required to get much information.

[UPDATE: One thing’s clear though, they aren’t a very efficient organization. Looks like about 82 percent overhead, if I’m reading this correctly. They only get one star, at any rate.]

tw3k, if you’re trying to get the string for a link, one way to do it is to right-click on the link, and then choose “Copy Link” or “Copy Location”, depending which browser you’re using.

Valley Girl @ 73

Once upon a time an FDLer gave me a link for a site to post videos (not YouTube). Please again? I can’t find it. I have a short Pelosi video I’d like you all to see. edit- p.s. was it you, tw3k?

I don’t think so as I can’t think of another video sharing site off-hand unless it was tumblr.

Valley Girl @ 73

Once upon a time an FDLer gave me a link for a site to post videos (not YouTube). Please again? I can’t find it. I have a short Pelosi video I’d like you all to see. edit- p.s. was it you, tw3k?

Twas me and the link is for the hosting service Mediafire.

Unbelievable. Every time NARAL calls, I politely explain that I no longer give to them because of decisions like this (I always use the Lieberman vs Lamont story & usually get horrified comments from the person making the call who didn’t know anything about it). I’ll be giving to Donna shortly & will also be writing another politely nasty note to NARAL.

Valley Girl @ 64

From what I learned last time around with NARAL, I would not even give them that much credit- i.e. thinking that Wynn will win. They (national NARAL) have taken some really dumb and counter-productive stances in the past.

NARAL has been taking the wrong side of the issue for decades.

In the 70’s they supported the anti-choice side in one state’s legislation, and when that passed I called them up and screamed at them calmly explained my concerns.

They said it was better for their cause to have people understand how bad things are, it helped them raise more money.

Guess not much has changed since then.

Thanks tw3k.. Nice spiffy work.

For those who wonder if Wynn is pro-choice, he is, but that is not the point. The point is the “incumbent protection racket” and NARAL should sit this one out, the candidates both having views that NARAL supposedly endorses (when it is not endorsing rape gurney Lieberman).

Wynn is awful on the bankruptcy bill and other progressive issues. The pro-choice issue is a wash, but when other issues are added, he really sucks.

NARAL has no business endorsing either candidate, especially in a primary. It is purely to stay good with the insiders, but for what ultimate end (like say, women’s health issues), other than protecting incumbents, it is not clear.

Cujo359 @ 84

[snip]
[UPDATE: One thing’s clear though, they aren’t a very efficient organization. Looks like about 82 percent overhead, if I’m reading this correctly. They only get one star, at any rate.]
[snip]

Now let’s be fair about their numbers, their overhead as the IRS would care about it is “only” 25%. Some of us are able to keep it under 10.

But NARAL still sucks.

Cujo359 @ 84

tw3k @ 77

Charity Rating on sourcewatch. I’m new to wiki editing so it’s not in the “Contents” part.

Hey, I’m new to digg too! Time to turn the rights’ rhetoric back at them!

Charity Navigator’s page on NARAL. Unfortunately both Javascript and Macromedia are required to get much information.

[UPDATE: One thing’s clear though, they aren’t a very efficient organization. Looks like about 82 percent overhead, if I’m reading this correctly. They only get one star, at any rate.]

tw3k, if you’re trying to get the string for a link, one way to do it is to right-click on the link, and then choose “Copy Link” or “Copy Location”, depending which browser you’re using.

Thanks!

I’m not sure how to add the url fragment to the Contents. weird wiki short codes.

Mad Dogs @ 86

Valley Girl @ 73

Once upon a time an FDLer gave me a link for a site to post videos (not YouTube). Please again? I can’t find it. I have a short Pelosi video I’d like you all to see. edit- p.s. was it you, tw3k?

Twas me and the link is for the hosting service Mediafire.

Thank you! I put it in my book marks before, but didn’t label it properly and accidentally deleted.

Oh goody! We get to watch Tom Delay being howled at by the British people when he says every American has healthcare! KO.

Cujo359 @ 74

Oklahoma kiddo @ 70

Pelosi is not a very good Speaker of the House.

You get to be “King of Understatement” today for that one.

This true and I’m deeply sadden by the way she has treated the her mentors memory The BURTON clan.
jo6pac

abject funk @ 90

For those who wonder if Wynn is pro-choice, he is, but that is not the point. The point is the “incumbent protection racket” and NARAL should sit this one out, the candidates both having views that NARAL supposedly endorses (when it is not endorsing rape gurney Lieberman).

Wynn is awful on the bankruptcy bill and other progressive issues. The pro-choice issue is a wash, but when other issues are added, he really sucks.

NARAL has no business endorsing either candidate, especially in a primary. It is purely to stay good with the insiders, but for what ultimate end (like say, women’s health issues), other than protecting incumbents, it is not clear.

Oh, thank you for stating that so clearly. Exactly my opinion, but I couldn’t get my neurons together to state it in a clear way.

One thing I really like about Obama, though I am not what one would call an Obama fan, is that he voted against the Iraq War.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 97

One thing I really like about Obama, though I am not what one would call an Obama fan, is that he voted against the Iraq War.

Where and when did he vote against the Iraq war? Not in the US Senate.

Loo Hoo. @ 94

Oh goody! We get to watch Tom Delay being howled at by the British people when he says every American has healthcare! KO.

I’m looking at that too. DeLay is an as yet, unconvicted felon. Isn’t he.

egregious @ 91

Cujo359 @ 84

[snip]
[UPDATE: One thing’s clear though, they aren’t a very efficient organization. Looks like about 82 percent overhead, if I’m reading this correctly. They only get one star, at any rate.]
[snip]

Now let’s be fair about their numbers, their overhead as the IRS would care about it is “only” 25%. Some of us are able to keep it under 10.

But NARAL still sucks.

I wasn’t trying to be unfair. I just wasn’t sure what I’m looking at. Apparently, that’s not 82 percent overhead (in fundraising), but 18 percent overhead. That’s still kinda bad if that’s true. Planned Parenthood’s is 15 percent.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 97

One thing I really like about Obama, though I am not what one would call an Obama fan, is that he voted against the Iraq War.

I don’t think he was in the US Senate then, OKK… he always leaves that impression, but I don’t think he was in a position to vote.

What on earth is Keenan doing with NARAL? She seems to have succumbed to the Village Syndrome, supporting all other Villagers, most especially when in conflict with her stated purpose for being. I don’t think there’s a cure for that, other than a “leadership-ectomy”. Next I expect her to endorse George Bush as her successor.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 97

One thing I really like about Obama, though I am not what one would call an Obama fan, is that he voted against the Iraq War.

No, he opposed the Iraq War. He wasn’t in the Senate when the vote was taken and has since voted to fund it.

Valley Girl @ 98

Oklahoma kiddo @ 97

One thing I really like about Obama, though I am not what one would call an Obama fan, is that he voted against the Iraq War.

Where and when did he vote against the Iraq war? Not in the US Senate.

Obama, who has made his 2002 opposition to the war a centerpiece of his presidential campaign, was asked this morning on MSNBC about comments made last night by former President Clinton, in which he said that Sens. Clinton and Obama have had similar voting records on the war.

“I suppose that’s true if you leave out the fact that she authorized it, and supported it, and I said it was a bad idea,” said Obama. “That’s a fairly major difference.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit…..s_cli.html

earlofhuntingdon @ 102

What on earth is Keenan doing with NARAL? She seems to have succumbed to the Village Syndrome, supporting all other Villagers, most especially when in conflict with her stated purpose for being. I don’t think there’s a cure for that, other than a “leadership-ectomy”. Next I expect her to endorse George Bush as her successor.

I think bustedknuckles had it right when he called a fancy form of money-laundering.

Loo Hoo. @ 94

Oh goody! We get to watch Tom Delay being howled at by the British people when he says every American has healthcare! KO.

I don’t see a problem here. No real American would be without health care.[/sarcasm]

I stand corrected. Obama wasn’t in the Senate. He only opposed the Iraq attack. It was HRC who voted for the Bush Iraq war.

OldCoastie @ 106

earlofhuntingdon @ 102

What on earth is Keenan doing with NARAL? She seems to have succumbed to the Village Syndrome, supporting all other Villagers, most especially when in conflict with her stated purpose for being. I don’t think there’s a cure for that, other than a “leadership-ectomy”. Next I expect her to endorse George Bush as her successor.

I think bustedknuckles had it right when he called a fancy form of money-laundering.

They even put in on a hanger for you. So thoughtful.

OKK – with the way Obama skips controversial votes, him “saying” “it’s a bad idea” and what he would have done if he had been in a position to actually do anything is hard to judge.

earlofhuntingdon @ 102

What on earth is Keenan doing with NARAL? She seems to have succumbed to the Village Syndrome, supporting all other Villagers, most especially when in conflict with her stated purpose for being. I don’t think there’s a cure for that, other than a “leadership-ectomy”. Next I expect her to endorse George Bush as her successor.

We need to change what Nancy Keenan and Al Wynn are going through from a Village Syndrome thing to their last episode of Survivor…

Oklahoma kiddo @ 104

Valley Girl @ 98

Where and when did he vote against the Iraq war? Not in the US Senate.

Obama, who has made his 2002 opposition to the war a centerpiece of his presidential campaign, was asked this morning on MSNBC about comments made last night by former President Clinton, in which he said that Sens. Clinton and Obama have had similar voting records on the war.

“I suppose that’s true if you leave out the fact that she authorized it, and supported it, and I said it was a bad idea,” said Obama. “That’s a fairly major difference.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit…..s_cli.html

He wasn’t in the Senate at the time. Since coming to the Senate, he’s always found a reason to keep supporting the war. Why would I assume he wouldn’t have found a reason to vote for its start if he’d been there at the time?

ET – Nice job today. You sound good. We lost feed via the net about 53 mins into the show.

Let me make this clear. As things stand now, I won’t be voting for Obama or Hillary in the primary.

ET, I couldn’t get the radio connection. How did it go?

Perhaps we need to explore if we are for or against continued funding for the Iraq war. I am against continued funding.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 107

I stand corrected. Obama wasn’t in the Senate. He only opposed the Iraq attack. It was HRC who voted for the Bush Iraq war.

Obama’s point, though, is that he’s the only Senator running for President who did not vote to authorize the Preznit to go to war in Irak. It’s clever wording, and leaves the impression he voted against it. But he didn’t, because he couldn’t.

Aloha, Ya’ll! This is how not to win an election…

La. Pol’s ‘Buckwheat’ Remark Sparks Ire

3 hours ago

HOUMA, La. (AP) — A white state lawmaker in a runoff election called a black civil-rights veteran who had helped her campaign “Buckwheat,” prompting the NAACP to urge voters to kick her out of office.

Rep. Carla Blanchard Dartez, a Democrat, acknowledged that she ended a Thursday night conversation with Hazel Boykin by saying, “Talk to you later, Buckwheat.” Dartez had been thanking Boykin for driving voters to the polls.

-snip-

Boykin, 75, helped desegregate restaurants and the parish school system in the 1960s. Her son, Jerome, is president of the Terrebonne Parish chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

“I’ve never had no one talk to me that way and I considered it a racial slur,” Hazel Boykin said. “I know the meaning of it, it’s just like the N-word.”

http://ap.google.com/article/A…..gD8SSDCQG0

rwcole, fyi, this is from wikipedia about Wynn, “…votes to support the Iraq war, repeal of the estate tax, support of the bankruptcy bill of 2005, and of the Bush Administration’s energy bill.”

Albert Wynn

Eureka Springs @ 112

ET – Nice job today. You sound good. We lost feed via the net about 53 mins into the show.

That’s what I read in an earlier thread here. The station had more web traffic than they’re built for. Thanks! I was awfully petrified at first, but Jim Sykes and I communicate on these kinds of issues really well. Ended up having a lot of fun. They want me back Friday, when I hope to interview plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez class action lawsuit coming up before the Supremes early next year.

Not surprised to hear they want you back, ET, ya done good. It was great fun listening in. Please keep linking us!

Survivor? Is that like Bachelor and Bachelorette, where all the contestants but one get the hook? Nancy and Al should fit on the same hook. They’re are little more than pale mimics of Bush’s constant hiring of lobbyists dedicated to destroying the federal agencies they are charged with promoting.

ET, you were great!

you walk the walk

TeddySanFran @ 116

Oklahoma kiddo @ 107

I stand corrected. Obama wasn’t in the Senate. He only opposed the Iraq attack. It was HRC who voted for the Bush Iraq war.

Obama’s point, though, is that he’s the only Senator running for President who did not vote to authorize the Preznit to go to war in Irak. It’s clever wording, and leaves the impression he voted against it. But he didn’t, because he couldn’t.

And where does that leave us? Obama opposed the war but was unable to vote against it. HRC supported the war with her vote. But has been unable to say she blew it (with that vote). Obama and Hillary vote for continued funding. There you have it. The reason I won’t vote for either of these two in the primary.

Laura Doty @ 120

Not surprised to hear they want you back, ET, ya done good. It was great fun listening in. Please keep linking us!

You did really well, Ed*, good luck Friday. I bet they’ll want you as a regular, especially if we keep swamping their servers! *g*

Ed*ard Teller @ 120

Eureka Springs @ 112

ET – Nice job today. You sound good. We lost feed via the net about 53 mins into the show.

That’s what I read in an earlier thread here. The station had more web traffic than they’re built for. Thanks! I was awfully petrified at first, but Jim Sykes and I communicate on these kinds of issues really well. Ended up having a lot of fun. They want me back Friday, when I hope to interview plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez class action lawsuit coming up before the Supremes early next year.

We are trying to stop construction/final permits of a coal plant in AR. I linked up your show on a small progressive blog here for any tips we could garner.. Your guests were great as well.

BTW, The bald eagles arrived in mass this weekend.

We knew ET before he became a media star….

NARAL chose LIEberman for Connecticut Senator too. Too many Progressive organizations still believe they have to emulate Republicans except for their own narrow agenda to get elected and to be effective.

Joe Buck @ 28

What about Wynn’s record? Any cases where he voted against choice?

I looked him up on their website and Planned Parenthood. he has a 100% voting record on choice. You never see these orgs going against a member with that kind of voting record.

ET,

Congrats on your radio interview. More please.

Long article in the print WaPo today about the intertwined Alaska scandals.

Blue Alaska! Blue Virginia!

This true and I’m deeply sadden by the way she has treated the her mentors memory The BURTON clan.
jo6pac

what are you talking about? she is keeping her caucus together. The only decent Burton brother was Robert, John and Phil yikes!

hackworth @ 26

TeddySanFran @ 11

Really, what is Keenan thinking? Doesn’t she know the netroots will slay NARAL over this? Did Pelosi drag them into this? Have they any sense at all?

Can’t wait for the next fundraising solicitation to arrive in the mail.

Just got one at the office from the DCCC. I’m going to tell them how I feel about capitulation and enablement. And that I give only to bona fide progressive candidates and to Act Blue.

I got mine from Pelosi [for the DCCC] this weekend. Noted that I wouldn’t given to anyone who’d been in my neighborhood fund-raising for Al Wynn, and remarked

“No brains, no guts, no $$$ from me.” [h/t Peterr]

CTuttle @ 118

Aloha, Ya’ll! This is how not to win an election…

La. Pol’s ‘Buckwheat’ Remark Sparks Ire

3 hours ago

HOUMA, La. (AP) — A white state lawmaker in a runoff election called a black civil-rights veteran who had helped her campaign “Buckwheat,” prompting the NAACP to urge voters to kick her out of office.

Rep. Carla Blanchard Dartez, a Democrat, acknowledged that she ended a Thursday night conversation with Hazel Boykin by saying, “Talk to you later, Buckwheat.” Dartez had been thanking Boykin for driving voters to the polls.

-snip-

Boykin, 75, helped desegregate restaurants and the parish school system in the 1960s. Her son, Jerome, is president of the Terrebonne Parish chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

“I’ve never had no one talk to me that way and I considered it a racial slur,” Hazel Boykin said. “I know the meaning of it, it’s just like the N-word.”

http://ap.google.com/article/A…..gD8SSDCQG0

Isn’t it right next door to 2008?

Dartez did not immediately return a call Monday.

“I made an insensitive comment, and I regret my choice of words,” she said Friday. “I have apologized to both Hazel and Jerome Boykin. The Boykin family has been a huge help in my campaign for re-election, and I did not mean to offend them.”

Dartez has represented parts of Terrebonne, St. Mary and Assumption parishes since 1999. She has said she does not intend to drop out of the race.

Hard to believe…

Elliott @ 122

ET, you were great!

you walk the walk

Bless you, my son. I came to Alaska 34 years ago to get away from music and radio. It seemed to work for awhile.

Naral has rebuffed Diane Benson, just this past week. She is SO pro-choice, a woman of color, and incredibly progressive. They aren’t backing anyone in the Dem primary for Don Young’s seat – yet.

Who thinks continued war funding is needed? And who doesn’t? My position on this is clear.

Ed*ard Teller @ 119

Eureka Springs @ 112

ET – Nice job today. You sound good. We lost feed via the net about 53 mins into the show.

That’s what I read in an earlier thread here. The station had more web traffic than they’re built for. Thanks! I was awfully petrified at first, but Jim Sykes and I communicate on these kinds of issues really well. Ended up having a lot of fun. They want me back Friday, when I hope to interview plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez class action lawsuit coming up before the Supremes early next year.

Cool! Will there be mp3 archives?

Robert Greenwald on KO on the FOX news smut. As ratings go down, the smut goes up.

I don’t mind OT, but I’m not up for another round of gratuitous Hillary bashing and I’m starting to get emails complaining of sexism and abusiveness in the comments section that I will eventually have to act upon. And what I see right now as the inevitable outcome of that process is something I very much do not want to do.

If we’re going to go OT, let’s at least find something novel.

Obama, who has made his 2002 opposition to the war a centerpiece of his presidential campaign, was asked this morning on MSNBC about comments made last night by former President Clinton, in which he said that Sens. Clinton and Obama have had similar voting records on the war.

“I suppose that’s true if you leave out the fact that she authorized it, and supported it, and I said it was a bad idea,” said Obama. “That’s a fairly major difference.”

heh. clever.

i.e. “Nice Try Bill”

tw3k @ 135

Cool! Will there be mp3 archives?

Thy don’t routinely archive talk shows. The ones they have, have been with national figures. I’m hoping to be able to sub in february when Dahr Jamail comes back to Alaska as part of his book tour, but he’s really well liked and respected here, so I might not get the gig.

email sent to Naral

I am a progressive, and an active Democrat and give about $xxxx a year to various progressive causes and candidates. Because of your endorsement of Rep. Albert R. Wynn (D-Md.) I will not give any money to your organization and will recommend that my friends do not either.

P.S. your contact form is broken. I assume this is an attempt at irony.

seems like NARAL is just a self-perpetuating scam.

Loo Hoo. @ 132

CTuttle @ 118

Aloha, Ya’ll! This is how not to win an election…

La. Pol’s ‘Buckwheat’ Remark Sparks Ire

3 hours ago

HOUMA, La. (AP) — A white state lawmaker in a runoff election called a black civil-rights veteran who had helped her campaign “Buckwheat,” prompting the NAACP to urge voters to kick her out of office.

Rep. Carla Blanchard Dartez, a Democrat, acknowledged that she ended a Thursday night conversation with Hazel Boykin by saying, “Talk to you later, Buckwheat.” Dartez had been thanking Boykin for driving voters to the polls.

-snip-

Boykin, 75, helped desegregate restaurants and the parish school system in the 1960s. Her son, Jerome, is president of the Terrebonne Parish chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

“I’ve never had no one talk to me that way and I considered it a racial slur,” Hazel Boykin said. “I know the meaning of it, it’s just like the N-word.”

http://ap.google.com/article/A…..gD8SSDCQG0

Isn’t it right next door to 2008?

Dartez did not immediately return a call Monday.

“I made an insensitive comment, and I regret my choice of words,” she said Friday. “I have apologized to both Hazel and Jerome Boykin. The Boykin family has been a huge help in my campaign for re-election, and I did not mean to offend them.”

Dartez has represented parts of Terrebonne, St. Mary and Assumption parishes since 1999. She has said she does not intend to drop out of the race.

Hard to believe…

It’s a runoff election for the La. State House, remember they’ve just elected a new Governor, apparently, Dartez, nor her opponents, could clinch a 50% vote… Now with the NAACP railing against her… Hmmm…

Jane Hamsher @ 137

I don’t mind OT, but I’m not up for another round of gratuitous Hillary bashing and I’m starting to get emails complaining of sexism and abusiveness in the comments section that I will eventually have to act upon. And what I see right now as the inevitable outcome of that process is something I very much do not want to do.

If we’re going to go OT, let’s at least find something novel.

one of my favourite songs by Cream is ‘Badge.’

Speaking for myself only, my choice for the next president has nothing whatsoever to do with gender. It is about voting records, campaign financing sources and telling the truth.

OldCoastie @ 141

seems like NARAL is just a self-perpetuating scam.

I believe there are state chapters and a national organization. Many of the state chapters seem to be healthy and sane, and at least some of them are sick of the national organization.

jeebus, this oil spill has DiFi on my local Eyewitless News alla time.

enough!

I will continue to bash and trash George W. Bush all over the place. And I don’t care if he is a man.

Loo Hoo. @ 136

Robert Greenwald on KO on the FOX news smut. As ratings go down, the smut goes up.

They’ve got to draw them in someway… ;-)

GordonM @ 145

OldCoastie @ 141

seems like NARAL is just a self-perpetuating scam.

I believe there are state chapters and a national organization. Many of the state chapters seem to be healthy and sane, and at least some of them are sick of the national organization.

And some, like Alaska, don’t have chapters. Does anyone know how NARAL determines which states to pick for efforts in forming chapters? Is it based on the states’ needs, or the states’ proclivity to donate to orgs like Naral?

my attempt at being OT and novel both led me apparently to a non-sequiter.

Phoenix Woman has a new thread available upstairs!

Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 143

Jane Hamsher @ 137

I don’t mind OT, but I’m not up for another round of gratuitous Hillary bashing and I’m starting to get emails complaining of sexism and abusiveness in the comments section that I will eventually have to act upon. And what I see right now as the inevitable outcome of that process is something I very much do not want to do.

If we’re going to go OT, let’s at least find something novel.

badger?

one of my favourite songs by Cream is ‘Badge.’

Badge (youtube)

egregious @ 88

Valley Girl @ 64

From what I learned last time around with NARAL, I would not even give them that much credit- i.e. thinking that Wynn will win. They (national NARAL) have taken some really dumb and counter-productive stances in the past.

NARAL has been taking the wrong side of the issue for decades.

In the 70’s they supported the anti-choice side in one state’s legislation, and when that passed I called them up and screamed at them calmly explained my concerns.

They said it was better for their cause to have people understand how bad things are, it helped them raise more money.

Guess not much has changed since then.

There you go – you nailed it right there – they are in the business to raise money — they just use the excuse of women’s reproductive issues as the hook to get the money.

oh help me, Ellen Tauscher is now on my teevee….

TeddySanFran @ 146

jeebus, this oil spill has DiFi on my local Eyewitless News alla time.

enough!

that’s enough to make anyone turn off the tv.

TeddySanFran @ 155

oh help me, Ellen Tauscher is now on my teevee….

poor Teddy!

Loo Hoo. @ 132

CTuttle @ 118

Aloha, Ya’ll! This is how not to win an election…

La. Pol’s ‘Buckwheat’ Remark Sparks Ire

3 hours ago

HOUMA, La. (AP) — A white state lawmaker in a runoff election called a black civil-rights veteran who had helped her campaign “Buckwheat,” prompting the NAACP to urge voters to kick her out of office.

Rep. Carla Blanchard Dartez, a Democrat, acknowledged that she ended a Thursday night conversation with Hazel Boykin by saying, “Talk to you later, Buckwheat.” Dartez had been thanking Boykin for driving voters to the polls.

-snip-

Boykin, 75, helped desegregate restaurants and the parish school system in the 1960s. Her son, Jerome, is president of the Terrebonne Parish chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

“I’ve never had no one talk to me that way and I considered it a racial slur,” Hazel Boykin said. “I know the meaning of it, it’s just like the N-word.”

http://ap.google.com/article/A…..gD8SSDCQG0

Isn’t it right next door to 2008?

Dartez did not immediately return a call Monday.

“I made an insensitive comment, and I regret my choice of words,” she said Friday. “I have apologized to both Hazel and Jerome Boykin. The Boykin family has been a huge help in my campaign for re-election, and I did not mean to offend them.”

Dartez has represented parts of Terrebonne, St. Mary and Assumption parishes since 1999. She has said she does not intend to drop out of the race.

Hard to believe…

Hmm, let’s see now. I assume all that is missing is “I meant no ill-will”.

yeah, I got a NARAL mailer asking for money the other day. It went straight in the recycle bin. I went inside and gave $20 to Donna Edwards.

Lying bastard-ettes.

Well those Wynn endorsements are good enough to cinch my Edwards donation.

badger?

ha. that’s hilarious. and I’m pretty sure eric clapton didn’t write that one!!!

Badge (youtube)

cool. heading there now.

I thought we learned our lesson with that **** when she endorsed Lieberdamn. She’s a traitor and she’s turned NARAL into a ringer.

MOD NOTE: edited – that is one of the few words that are not allowed here at the lake

Sorry, My head exploded.

NARAL, Joe Lieberman’s pals. Who would ever send them a dime, and why??

Naral is disgusting. No need to enter this at all.

Maybe she is jumping in because Wynn thinks he is in trouble and asked for it?

Joe Buck @ 28

What about Wynn’s record? Any cases where he voted against choice?

Not that I could find, which may be why NARAL supports him. But whether they should support an incumbent over an equally Pro-Choice opponent in a primary, rather than putting the endorsement into situations where there is a more distinct difference, is another point altogether.

Here’s Wynn’s record on Choice and Abortion-related issues.

Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
Voted YES on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted NO on funding for health providers who don’t provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
Voted NO on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)

Oklahoma kiddo @ 107

I stand corrected. Obama wasn’t in the Senate. He only opposed the Iraq attack. It was HRC who voted for the Bush Iraq war.

As did Senator Edwards, Dodd, and Biden. Only Senator Feingold didn’t.

Senate Vote on Iraq War Powers Resolution

Bottom line for me is that if NARAL endorses anybody in a Dem primary, I pretty much KNOW that I’m for the other candidate (usually a challenger).
They’re doing a public service by pointing progressives and those on the fence to the more preferable candidate in races we might not be very familiar with. Well done to NARAL.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 123

TeddySanFran @ 116

Obama’s point, though, is that he’s the only Senator running for President who did not vote to authorize the Preznit to go to war in Irak. It’s clever wording, and leaves the impression he voted against it. But he didn’t, because he couldn’t.

And where does that leave us? Obama opposed the war but was unable to vote against it. HRC supported the war with her vote. But has been unable to say she blew it (with that vote). Obama and Hillary vote for continued funding. There you have it. The reason I won’t vote for either of these two in the primary.

Senator Feingold OPPOSED the Iraq War Resolution.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 123

And where does that leave us? Obama opposed the war but was unable to vote against it. HRC supported the war with her vote. But has been unable to say she blew it (with that vote). Obama and Hillary vote for continued funding. There you have it. The reason I won’t vote for either of these two in the primary.

Edwards has retracted his vote in favor of the Iraq War Powers…what were his reasons for voting for it? I forget? Was it that Bush mislead him? That he got caught up in the hype about protecting Israel and the US from terrorists?

But it sounds as if he is following the same mode of thinking with regard to Iran. This from his speech to the Herzliya Conference in Israel earlier this year.

One source of strength is the bond between Israel and the United States, which is a bond that will never be broken. For more than half a century both countries have benefited from this alliance. We share common values such as freedom and democracy. I was in Israel in 2001. I’ll never forget just as I was ending my visit, a Hamas suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew up the Sbarro pizzeria.

It made an impact on me to see the extraordinary sacrifice made by the Israeli people everyday. They continue to make sacrifices to ensure your security and achieve peace. I saw first hand the threats you face every day. I feel that I understand on a very personal level those threats. The challenges in your own backyard – rise of Islamic radicalism, use of terrorism, and the spread of nuclear technology and weapons of mass destruction – represent an unprecedented threat to the world and Israel.

At the top of these threats is Iran. Iran threatens the security of Israel and the entire world. Let me be clear: Under no circumstances can Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons.…The Iranian president’s statements such as his description of the Holocaust as a myth and his goals to wipe Israel off the map indicate that Iran is serious about its threats.

Once Iran goes nuclear, other countries in the Middle East will go nuclear, making Israel’s neighborhood much more volatile.

Iran must know that the world won’t back down. The recent UN resolution ordering Iran to halt the enrichment of uranium was not enough. We need meaningful political and economic sanctions. We have muddled along for far too long. b>To ensure that Iran never gets nuclear weapons, we need to keep ALL options on the table, Let me reiterate – ALL options must remain on the table.

The war in Lebanon had Iranian fingerprints all over it. I was in Israel in June, and I took a helicopter trip over the Lebanese border. I saw the Hezbollah rockets, and the havoc wreaked by the extremism on Israel’s border. Hezbollah is an instrument of the Iranian government, and Iranian rockets allowed Hezbollah to attack and wage war against Israel.

I cannot talk about the war last summer without referring to the Syrian role in destabilizing area. Syria needs to be held accountable. Syria has recently called for peace talks with Israel. Talk is cheap. Syria needs to go long way to prove it is ready for peace. It can start by not harboring terrorists and ending its nefarious relationship with Iran.

While Iran is the greatest threat now, but just as alarming is the one on your doorstep. Hamas, with Iranian support, doesn’t make any mistake of its intentions to wipe out Israel, and repeatedly makes calls to raise the banner of Allah over all of Israel.…

…Israel not only has the right to defend itself, it has an obligation to defend itself. This means continuing to ensure Israel’s military strength, diplomatically and economically. The hurdles are clear.

My analysis of Iran is if you start with the President of Iran coming to the UN in New York denouncing America and his extraordinary and nasty statements about the Holocaust and goal of wiping Israel off map, married with his attempts to obtain nuclear weapons over a long period of time, they are buying time. They are the foremost state sponsors of terrorism. If they have nuclear weapons, other states in the area will want them, and this is unacceptable./b>

As to what to do, we should not take anything off the table. More serious sanctions need to be undertaken, which cannot happen unless Russia and China are seriously on board, which has not happened up until now. I would not want to say in advance what we would do, and what I would do as president, but there are other steps that need to be taken. For example, we need to support direct engagement with Iranians, we need to be tough. But I think it is a mistake strategically to avoid engagement with Iran.

As to the American people, this is a difficult question. The vast majority of people are concerned about what is going on in Iraq. This will make the American people reticent toward going for Iran. But I think the American people are smart if they are told the truth, and if they trust their president Americans can be educated to come along with what needs to be done with Iran.

I’ve contributed to NARAL in the past, but now when they call me for more, I just ask them why they supported Joe Lieberman. And now this.

One thing is clear, the DLC is owned by NARAL.

Oh uh, the other way around. Maybe both. Who knows?

Need to find my remote and watch TV instead.

NARAL supported Lieberman, even as an Independent candidate and even though he openly entertained the idea of withdrawing from his pro-choice stance. Clearly, their strategy is to follow the graft wherever they can find it, in the true spirit of beltway banditry.

Wow. This is like a play by play flashback of HoJoe v. Lamont. These DC types really operate in the most narrow and unimaginative ways. Hope Donna wins. Maxine should get her but out there.

NARAL has never been effective. And that’s a good thing because I’ve never seen a so called ‘liberal’ organization that has gotten it wrong so often for decades.

I am appalled. I was a national NARAL member for decades (still a Maryland member), but I haven’t renewed my national memembership since these clowns endorsed Lieberman. Now they’re endorsing Al Wynn — my awful Rep. I called him last election when I learned he’d taken money from Tom Delay’s PAC, and he had the nerve to tell me “that’s how the game is played.” The minute he feels safe from Edwards, he’ll stop acting like a Democrat and hang the “for sale” sign back on his office door.