On Saturday night Howie Klein and I went to a dinner at the home of Rick Jacobs (Courage Campaign) for Jon Tester, who was raising money for his PAC to support Democratic Senatorial candidates in 2008.
Blue America raised over $17,000 from 901 contributors for Tester during the last election, so we took the opportunity to bend his ear and ask him about many of the issues that we felt were of concern to members of our community who donated to his campaign.
We asked him how he felt about retroactive telecom immunity, and he said he was inclined to vote against it. I asked him if he would commit to filibuster — he wouldn’t, but he did say that if he decided to oppose it he wouldn’t play games and would vote both against the bill and against cloture. With the room full of Californians, many wanted to know what in God’s name was up with Diane Feinstein. Tester said she seemed to be motivated by information she had received as a member of the Intelligence Committee which he wasn’t privy to, but whatever it was made her believe that the right to snoop on people was imperative to national security. He didn’t comment on her crap decisions to install racist judges and sanction state torture, both of which he opposed. (It should be noted that he seems to be having a good influence on Max Baucus.)
We also asked him how he as an organic farmer felt about the farm bill, and he thought that there were a lot of good things in it, like support for farmers’ markets. He admitted that it needed to go further, and that there was a problem with all of the increasingly privatized universities where the research is now being funded by corporations — Monsanto just isn’t going to give grants to do research into organic agriculture. I had read Kirk Murphy’s and Ian’s posts just before leaving for the dinner, and asked him if he felt that the negative externalities of industrial agribusiness were being adequately addressed by the bill — if in fact they weren’t being exacerbated by all the subsidies. He agreed that this was a problem but said the Senate was a body that moved slowly and hoped they would eventually do more.
Tester was a music major in college, and spoke about his meeting with Margaret Spellings regarding NCLB. He tried to tell her he didn’t think that the program was working and thought that its heavy emphasis on testing math and science was shortchanging kids when it came to, among other things, music and art. She asked if he wanted her to start testing for those, too.
He got up to speak and take questions for a while. He opened by saying he was very thankful to blogs in general and FDL specifically for supporting him last year.
Someone asked about the looming threat of war with Iran, to which Tester responded, “I’d be more surprised if Bush didn’t bomb Iran before the next election than if he did.”
So much for those who think the tough talk about Iran is all bluster. It’s sort of like watching a psychotic child juggle knives in a room full of kindergartners and counting on both his skill and good intentions to keep something truly awful from happening.
While people were still grabbing for their wine glasses over that one, a journalist asked if there was any difference between Republicans and Democrats since the Democrats had failed so miserably to end the war. Tester gave the standard answer that the political reality was that the public equated cutting off funding for the war with lack of support for the troops, and so that option really wasn’t open to them when it came to forcing troop withdrawal. He said that the Democrats really did want to end the war but needed 60 votes to get anything passed, and blamed Joe Lieberman and a thin majority for their failure to do so. Which was why he thought it was so important for him to support the DSCC’s efforts to get more Democrats elected to the Senate.
I like Tester but I felt like Ed Grimley my hand shot up so fast. I didn’t want to embarrass him but I just could not let that one pass. I said that no doubt it was true that the public equated defunding the war with lack of support for the troops, but there was another way to force troop withdrawal — the Webb Amendment, which was unequivocally a bill that supported the troops in its mandate that they be given adequate rest time in between tours of duty. I said that the blogs and anti-war activists were ready for that fight, we wanted it, we wanted to help hammer so-called “moderate” Republicans and make them stand on the Senate floor and explain how exactly they supported the troops yet wouldn’t vote for this bill.
If Harry Reid truly wanted the Webb Amendment to pass, he would never have allowed the hastily cobbled-together McCain bill onto the floor that gave the Republicans cover for voting against Webb with some toothless, non-binding “Sense of the Senate” nonsense. Someone asked what the McCain bill was, and somebody else said that it gave the troops more rest, but Tester just looked at his feet sort of ruefully and said no, that was Webb (which he voted for, by the way). I said if any bill needs 60 votes to get onto the floor, how did McCain ever come to a vote if the Democratic leadership didn’t want to undermine Webb? And how could this be interpreted as anything other than a sign that the Democrats had no intention of forcing troop withdrawal? He said he would have to go back and re-read McCain.
Howie said afterwards that he looked forlorn.
Howie also said that he hoped Tester’s PAC would support other progessive candidates like him, and not people like his opponent in the Democratic primary — who was supported by the DSCC. He had a good sense of humor about it and laughed heartily.
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Jane!
Jane!
FDL! my fave blog. Jane, i am so grateful for your active voice.
Does Tester have any special insight into what is happening with W & Iran? It sounds like he doesn’t even know what’s happening in his own party.
((((((JANE))))) closest i’ve come to the zed. And thanks for being a true leader!
btw, for DC driveers, the polite Tester always let’s me merge into traffic in front of him!
About that 60-vote excuse for Dems: Here’s Glenn Greenwald in Salon last Friday:
well, Fallon’s putting up a fuss about Iran…
he’ll probably get fired soon.
good show – double dealing (D) kabuki should be outed more often in public forums.
Another propaganda blitz surrounding an attack against Iran will be bad news for any (D) candidate, even one who supports such an attack, like Clinton, Edwards, and Obama.
It’s lose lose for them, the time to avert it and oppose it is now, but they won’t.
see
http://www.prospect.org/cs/art…..ttack_iran
for the simple question they can’t answer.
Good analysis from McClatchey about Iran today:
I’d quibble with “may” of course, but it’s a start.
OldCoastie @ 7
That would be my guess too. I’ve been expecting it for a while now. Maybe he’ll retire and come out strongly against the Bush administration like so many others have.
Didn’t Testor vote along with Durbin & Clinton & others to recognize Iran’s Republican Gaurd as a terrorist group??? Correct me if I am wrong but I thought he & Webb voted along those lines. I’m a simple guy& you can’t have it both ways in my opinion.
Thanks for keeping the pressure on, Jane. We need to let them know that we support them when they do the right thing, but that doesn’t mean we’ll accept excuses when they fail to do so.
Fantastic work and fantastic reporting Jane!!!
Your gentle insistence that Tester face the truth about the Webb Amendment is a model for us all.
More about that 60-vote litany:
Bold in the original.
(Same link as my 6.)
Biodun @ 6
I read that and I am a bit surprised that Glenn bought that fake 53-40 vote. If, as I suspect, the whip count for a cloture vote was probably 65 for…then Reid made a huge mistake by not having a cloture vote and exposing the reality.
hiya Jane!
Great picture.
Tester seems like a good guy- getting elected as a dem in Montana shows some good political sense. Does Reid want to end the war? Would he bring such a measure to the floor if he had the votes? Beats me. I suppose dems could be trying to keep the issue alive for 08- and it’s possible that the military industrial complex has bought em—but I have no direct evidence of either.
flatford39 @ 11
no. tester voted for S.Amdt. 2073 (lieberman)
and against S.Amdt. 3017 (kyl-lieberman)
Jane is this a typo?
The sixty vote mantra has come back to bite Harry in the ass. I am sooo fed up with being lied to, being tricked and being fucked over by the dem. leaders.
City hall is closed today but come tomorrow my spouse and I are headed to city hall to change our registration from Dem. to Ind. We are both going to ask our friends to do the same to protest this selling out.
Join us in changing from the Dems. it is surely one way to to make an impression.
That is so true. I am beginning to understand how American’s felt in 1859.
Too bad there was not one person at that dinner to ask Testor about Israel’s role in pushing for a first strike on Iran
Worth the read about Iran
Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran
By Uzi Mahnaimi, New York and Sarah Baxter, Washington
11/07/07 “The Times” — – - ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.
Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear “bunker-busters”, according to several Israeli military sources.
http://www.informationclearing…..e18688.htm
http://www.informationclearing…..e18687.htm
The Neoconservative Agenda to Sacrifice the Fifth Fleet
The New Pearl Harbor
By Michael E. Salla, M.A., Ph.D.
11/08/07 “ICH” — – -The Bush administration has covered up and ignored dissenting Pentagon war games analysis that suggests an attack on Iran’s nuclear or military facilities will lead directly to the annihilation of the Navy’s Fifth Fleet now stationed in the Persian Gulf. Lt. General Paul Van Riper led a hypothetical Persian Gulf state in the 2002 Millennium Challenge wargames that resulted in the destruction of the Fifth Fleet. His experience and conclusions regarding the vulnerability of the Fifth Fleet to an assymetrical military conflict with Iran have been ignored. Neoconservatives within the Bush administration are currently aggressively promoting a range of military actions against Iran that will culminate in it attacking the US Navy’s Fifth Fleet with sophisticated cruise anti-ship missiles. They are ignoring Van Riper’s experiences in the Millennium Challenge and how it applies to the current nuclear conflict with Iran.
Dems get gamed again. Why don’t they filibuster?
Jane you look great. Hope you are feeling as good as you look!
Keep the pressure on these guys, once they are in. Don’t let them forget who is working hard to get them elected.
“We don’t have the votes” is the democrats 2008 election platform! That’s why we hear it over, and over, and over….
I think Senators are very uncomfortable with the public having a clear understanding of Senate operations. I think Senators would like to go back to the days of opacity. Every time they get called out on their silly dealings, there’s a lot of foot-shuffling.
They know now that we are watching, and they aren’t all that happy about it. The Senate is supposed to be the place where the people’s will goes to die. And we are illuminating the killers. They aren’t so happy about that.
What ever happened to horse trading for votes? What ever happened to threats?
We tell the GOP leadership that in order to pay for the war we will need to shutdown a few unnesecary military bases in their districts.
We inform all the miliatry contractors in the GOP leadership’s states that they have to move those jobs into Blue States if they want to be funded this year.
Democrats have used these tactics to defend their personal pork for years why can’t they use them to end the war?
flatford35 @ 11 — good point. I didn’t remember that.
Although there were 43 votes against Mukasey’s confirmation, it’s not clear there were 43 to maintain a filibuster by voting against cloture. You remember that game, don’t you?
Now that we’ve shined a light on the vote-for-cloture-but-against-the-nominee sham, we may see Harry Reid forgetting the 60-vote threshold. Just ram through what your President wants, Harry, and hope your NSA file stays secret.
Good afternoon all. Thanks Jane for that wonderful summary of the meeting.
Re: Iran:
And here’s Condi lying through her teeth as usual:
TeddySanFran @ 25
probably the same thing going on with most members of the house. although, i have to say that most every aide i’ve spoken with (on the dem side) has tried to be helpful and several legislative aides almost anxious to explain what what’s going on (don’t think that’s so true of the “communications” people – more spinning, less explaining).
SanderO @ 23
Why don’t the Dems filibuster? Pryor, Lincoln, Landrieu, Baucus, Nelson, Nelson, Bayh, etc. We need to have long memories and not forget.
TeddySanFran @ 24
I agree completely with this. I would only add that it has yet to change how they do business.
I don’t visualize the connection for cutting off funding for the Iraq war with not supporting the troops. Congress says something to this effect; ‘Mr. Prez, you have six months to bring our soldiers home’. After that, no more money.
jane hamsher @ 27
please see my 18 – i don’t think either tester or webb voted for kyl-lieberman. and i remember webb making an excellent statement from the senate floor against it.
i have no problem calling out our pols when they screw us over… but i also want to give credit where credit is due.
There were 40 votes against Mukasey for the nomination.
A fair majority of Americans want our troops home. Cut the funding Democrats.
TeddySanFran @ 28
I agree and if Harry was doing his job he would expose that fact..make them vote for cloture..The negotiated fake vote of 53-40 looks even worse than a 65 vote for cloture.
Rod @ 22
the great white and blue elephant in the room, that is not disussed in polite society.
everyone is like, “why is so much crockery being smashed? why is American foreign policy so distorted and counterproductive? where do all these huge piles of manure about scary scary weapons in the hands of muslims come from? what a mystery, why isn’t the white knight of the (D) party better able to come to grips with these things?”
well, consider your post acknowledged, it’s unlikely anyone else will.
Biodun @ 36
More than 40 I think.
Biodun @ 36
But that doesn’t mean there were forty votes against cloture. And as Miss McConnell has shown so well, it is all about the cloture these days.
As an example, I bet the House was inundated with emails and calls about the motion to re-commit Kucinich’s Cheney impeachment resolution. Do you think Capitol Hill used to hear a peep from the public about their votes on a motion to re-commit ten, or even five, years ago?
People are watching, taking names, and kicking ass.
When Wynn and Lipinski go down in February, there’s gonna be some major sweating. Major.
Have the senators who are running for president explained why they couldn’t get back to DC for the Mukasey vote?
You set a date for withdrawl. After that no money for the Iraq war. Are the Republicans just going to leave our troops there?
sporkovat @ 40
Exactly
Hugh @ 33
early stages?
i’d guess that they are only now moving from denial to anger. expect bargaining next. hoping we can get to acceptance – and the sooner the better.
Biodun @ 35
You are correct. Thanks
P J Evans @ 43
sssh.
/s
GTON (AP) — Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Sunday she does not believe a Senate resolution authorizes President Bush to take military action against Iran.
”There is nothing in this particular resolution that would suggest that from our point of view. And, clearly, the president has also made very clear that he’s on a diplomatic path where Iran comes into focus,” Rice said.
Please what does this mean? Where Iran comes into focus the Pres is on a diplomatic focus: what does getting into focus mean? What is his diplomacy? Where is his path taking him/us? DOes he have to walk/strut along to get Iran into his view, walk farther along to focus? Well, he made have made it clear, but I surely do not understand her little speak: a path to focus. Yes, mirky up to now. Or just call it a march to war. We have an administration of killers & murderers, and she cannot put a sentence together. Sorry, in truth, reading that sentence gave me a headache. A Diplomatic Path to Focus, or Bountiful, or the Rapture. This is a PhD woman; did she think she knew what she was talking about? When Iran comes into focus, we will be on a diplomatic path. W is ADD; brain-addled. The man does not focus, Condi. Please.
This whole 60 votes thing must be about the fact that the Dems are not figuring on having a Dem president next time. Because the next time we can elect 60 Dems would be in the Presidential election. So I am a little pissed that they keep talking about 60 votes. Bush will be gone. Will we need 60 votes to override the Dem president?
Yes, that must be the strategerie. Assure more of the same.
Steve-AR @ 38
any senator could have exposed that fact… and made an enemy of every senator who wanted to hide behind a useless vote against mukasey, while insuring his nomination passed.
As I recall it was a Republican president that brought the troops out of ‘Nam. What’s the problem? Oh, perhaps you say… there was no oil there.
Just a comment before reading the remainder of the comments.
Questioning doesn’t mean you’re ‘agin’ someone or something they promote. Nor does it mean you don’t support them.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 44
I believe Bush would, just to make a point. I have no idea what that point would be, though.
Biodun @ 35
Plus the 4 absent Democratic hopefuls. The consent agreement obscured who was really against Mukasey. Maybe some of the usual suspects would have voted for cloture if there had been a cloture vote. We will nver know.
We only know for sure where those Senators stood who voted for Mukasey. For all the others, they were essentially complicit in a scam to hide where Dencratic Senators really stood.
TeddySanFran @ 45
The vote 53-40-7
Howie also said that he hoped Webb’s PAC would support other progerssive candidates like him, and not people like his opponent in the Democratic primary — who was supported by the DSCC.
You owe Harris Miller a public apology for that one. Chuck Schumer publicly rebuked Harris Miller not once, but twice during the primary. Webb was endorsed by Schumer, Reid, Dodd, Levin, and a bunch other other DLC types during the primary.
When almost ALL the lady legislators endorsed Harris Miller, Schumer dismissed their concerns as Democrats being mean to one another and repeated the insult when almost ALL the member of the Black Caucus endorsed Miller.
Webb was nominated by an unusual coalition of national Dems, the very people who are vilified on this blogs, Virginia netroots, and anti-war activists.
Miller was the candidate of Virginia politicians and local committee members who knew him personally and liked him.
Thanks for pointing these things out to Sen. Tester, Jane. As for the DSCC, they’re not getting a dime from me.
bg @ 49
No, we probably will not need 60 votes to override a Dem president. But we will still need 60 votes to override the R obstructionists who will still be making mischief in the Senate. And yes, that is even if Miss McConnell goes down to defeat because Trent Lott will just pick up the idea and keep it going forward. Or backward if you will.
bhatten @ 48:
See my 30.
JF @ 54
And some might argue that would be the death of the GOP.
Hugh @ 54
exactly.
and if we want an end to the kabuki, they’ve got to know that we see through this.
I stand corrected. 40.
Hugh @ 54
exactly..and Dem voters appreciate reality rather then fiction. I know damn well that my Senators, Pryor and Lincoln would have voted for cloture..Who is Harry trying to fool?
Hugh @ 54:
Yep. And therein lies the rub.
Sorry to interrupt but it seems a reminder may be in order.
Sockpuppeting is reason for being banned from this site.
Thanks.
Alice @ 56
I believe Jane made a slight error and was meaning Sen Tester’s PAC and Sen Tester’s opponent in the Montana D primary, not Senator Webb.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 60
How many troop deaths is the death of a political party worth?
Steve-AR @ 63
us.
and he thinks he’s getting away with it.
dakine01 @ 59
Trent has actually been more vocal about the success of the strategy; I suspect it’s his and not Mitch’s, who seems more $-oriented than legislative.
Another cheerleader who’s failed upward, with a fully insured house: Trent Lott.
So, are those who voted for Kyle-Lieberman to be castigated?
RBG @ 65
?? that’s too insider for me..explain?
And for fuck’s sake, why was this allowed to stand?
Failed so miserably to end the war!? The war that Bush started using bullshit and prevarications – that war? What about the ReThuglicans ending this ‘made-up’ fuckfest?
Cujo359 @ 58
Sign the Donor Strike pledge!
Add a it will help the troops measure to everything we want from healthcare to alternative energy.
Demand that Bush pay for his war! Just start cutting spending in GOP districts, Military bases, Pork projects etc.
How many of the red states take in more tax dollars than they pay the federal government?
Threaten to make each state pay their own way no more of this Blue state supported welfare for red states. Ron Paul’s supporters should blow a Cognitive Dissonance circuit on that one.
Sock puppeting?
JF @ 68
So far we’re closing in on 4,000. And over a half a million Iraqis.
P J Evans @ 42
For one I believe it was his horse threw a shoe. For another the wagon wheel broke. The dog hate the telegram of a third. The fourth was savagely attacked by a band of angry kangaroos.
sock puppeting: When one person posts under more than one name and has dialogues with themselves- sometimes to make it appear that their ideas have more credence than they actually do…..
Sockpuppeting: the same person using different handles on the same site. Moderators can usually detect sockpuppets by their IPs (Internet Protocols).
Steve-AR @ 72
You must use one handle, and one handle (name) only, at FDL. Changing your handle isn’t permitted.
Wordsmith @ 75
Commenting under one name then changing the name to comment under a second name is one version. Also, as some folks found out, to comment and agree with your public persona. Case in point, the CEO of (I believe) Whole Foods commenting under an assumed name to trash his competition on investment sites.
Hi, Jane.
On Tester’s war answers —
It’s like you might as well just go out and buy Congressperson doll, pull the string and, “We couldn’t help it! We don’t have a veto-proof majority!” “We’re paying for the war to support the troops!” “Impeachment would take too much time from more important business!”
No real need to interview them any more.
So I’m wondering — what’s the deal with Tester? Is he naive? Is he being threatened? Is he easily intimidated? Is he a conservative?
rwcole @ 79
Whew! That leaves me out. I have dialogues with myself or is that monologues? :-}
Oklahoma kiddo @ 76
Conservative extrapolation of the ‘04-’05 Hopkins-MIT data would indicate more than a Million.
From urban dictionary.com:
Oklahoma kiddo @ 70
see the link at my 18.
Steve-AR @ 85
You have made my point even better than I.
Wordsmith @ 83
Depends on how many personalities you have.
dakine01 @ 82
The competition he was in the process of purchasing!
To: 84. That is so erudite and literary. Thanks. Nothing like alittle clear, forthright speech. Almost fixed my headache. O for the power of truth.
Biodun @ 85
That is so dishonest why isn’t it an automatic ban?
Who didn’t vote on Mukasey?
dakine01 @ 19
I thought the same thing, that Jane mixed up Tester and Webb there.
Hugh @ 77
clinton’s office told me that she had schedule conflict. at the other three it was “no statement” … i plan to call again tomorrow.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 93
All of the Presidential candidates currently in the Senate, plus “Caveman” Cornyn. There is one other Rethug I am missing.
TeddySanFran @ 74
Done. Left a little note, too:
So I’m not sure how much effect my going on strike now can have.
selise @ 95
Harry pulled a fast one. It was scheduled on very short notice.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 93
Mukasey roll call
Oklahoma kiddo @ 92
you can check all senate votes here.
the mukasey vote is here.
My lady was accused of sockpuppeting by the oily guy recently. Lahoma wants me to buy him lunch. And I agree with her.
Are some confusing Tester, who is from Montana, with Webb, who is from Virginia?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 93
The four Dem candidates for prez…
I believe Jane made a slight error and was meaning Sen Tester’s PAC and Sen Tester’s opponent in the Montana D primary, not Senator Webb.
my mistake then
typos are so easy in blogging.
Funny how everyone of our brave Democratic Presidential Candidates are nowhere to be seen when the tough choices have to be made.
Why do any of them want a job where leadership is required if they can’t even handle the Senate.
selise @ 100
Thankyou. The truth repeated, does not hurt. ;0)
TeddySanFran @ 74
Got a pledge/envelope in the mail last week – they must have called the house and jangled DH’s brains (because he has since signed the pledge). It is sitting here, on my desk, waiting for me to find words enough to tell them how despicable they are.
Excellent note, Cujo, and my feelings exactly as well.
I figured I might as well sign, even though I’m a longtime non-giver, since BlueAmerica opened my eyes. But if it’s time to call my non-giving a strike, I’m okay with that too.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 96
McCain and Alexander were also missing.
Alice @ 104
Well I’m sure she had Webb on the mind as she was trying to convince Sen Tester that there were many ways to support Sen Webb so it’s real easy for the fingers to type one name while meaning a second.
Wordsmith @ 102
Since they both voted for the war supplemental, I’ve been tempted to see them as pretty much interchangeable anyway.
Wordsmith @ 102
Perhaps because they are “moderate” Dems who won in Red states in ‘06.
dov12348 @ 111
I thought of that.
I recall writing a diary on Kos where no one showed up. I ended up having a long, goofy conversation with myself in the comments section — took on several “characters.” That’s not just sock-puppeting — I put on a whole puppet show.
Maybe the world could learn from the Estonians:
http://www.tallinn-life.com/ta…..revolution
Alice @ 113
You thought of which?
dov12348 @ 111
Well, they’re not interchangeable.
OT–
Hillary on passion and pragmatism:
Cujo359 @ 109
Isn’t McCain a presidential candidate currently in the Senate? ;-) Yeah, I know, a lot of people have forgot that he is still in the Senate.
LS @ 115
Quite interesting. One of those in the pix in the front row is a dead ringer for Lahoma. ;0)
Jane, that was a goood “hand-raise” ( :o) ) about using the troop rotation and rest time, as a way to start getting the troop home.
And today, they’re supposedly going to start to draw down one brigade (Of the 20 in Iraq) and reduce the troop level from about 160,000 to 147,000, according to this on the DellNewsPage:
http://apnews.myway.com//artic…..A3880.html
The article, by one Robert Burns, has a certain honesty to it, in that it points out THE question:
Can the reduction in violence be sustained without enough american military power to keep Baghdad and the most turbulent parts of the country in semi-lockdown?
And that very much remains to be seen.
selise @ 100
Thanks for the link…I love raw data
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 97
he announced thursday morning during his regular schedule briefing to the senate that he hoped to have the vote that evening.
see my comments in this thread – especially here and here. and also my comment here.
LS @ 115
Music is a very powerful thing. I recall that one of the things that many Afghans resented about the Taliban was their outlawing music.
Biodun @ 118
At the risk of sounding snarky, what exactly has she gotten done in the Senate? When has she led on anything(the same goes for Obama too)?
Wordsmith @ 117
Since the war is by far and away the prime issue for me, they might as well be.
Biodun @ 116
Translation: Hillary is passionate about triangulation
Steve-AR @ 121
primary sources rule!
Outlawing music is like outlawing gravity, or legislating pi.
selise @ 123
Harry also knows that the Seantors running to succeed the Chimperor plan their schedules out in advance, so giving them 12 hours notice isn’t gonna help them be there for an important vote(Given that it takes a few hours to get to and from Iowa).
Biodun @ 118
I can agree that the Senator does appearently exhibit a particular passion for becoming prez.
Wordsmith @116
I remembered that they both voted for the Iraq supplemental.
The typo has not been corrected.
Whatever you may think of Harris Miller, he was not the candidate of the DSCC or the DLC. In fact Senate leaders endorsed Webb in the primary which played a large part of Webb’s victory.
Webb is doing great work on Iran. If we stay out of Iran it will be largely his doing.
But it upsets me very much to see the 20006 VA Senate primary so egregiously misrepresented. Schumer & Co. supported Webb.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 125
Good question..is there a site that lists sponsorship of Senate Bills?
dakine01 @ 110
Does Tester have a PAC? Webb does. Tester did have a DSCC-supported opponent in the primary:
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0607-20.htm
TeddySanFran @ 129
Are we talking 3.1416 tilde here?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 131
That probably is better than a passion for cutting brush and bike riding.
CuJo359 @ 134
This is the first paragraph of Jane’s post:
So yeah, I’d say that Senator Tester has a PAC.
Jon Tester is the only national politician I have ever met in person – we chatted at a DKos fundraiser for him in SF inthe summer of 2006. Good guy.
Steve-AR @ 136
And planting questions too.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 139
Harvesting support.
For this Democrat, ‘planting questions’ is a form of cheating.
Loo Hoo. @ 140
cultivating an image
dakine01 @ 137
So yeah, I’d say that Senator Tester has a PAC.
Then it wasn’t a typo…
brutal headline at Salon.com:
next tactic: gumming.
Cujo359 @ 134
I know Webb has a PAC. I gave $100 after seeing Webb’s State of the Union response. It’s sad they didn’t follow his lead. Does anyone know the website for Tester’s PAC?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 139
Maybe not so much difference on that one.
Loo Hoo. @ 140
Paraphrase: “I didn’t know anyone did it, and we won’t do it again”
OT Those 8 Turkish soldiers who were captured by the PKK and then released have been charged with staying inconveniently alive or something.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21744449/
I’d rather have Obama than one or two other Democrats. But I am not a fan.
TeddySanFran @ 147
Now I feel better.
Hmmm…speaking about Kyl/Lieberman…check out their Committee on Present Danger..:
http://www.committeeontheprese…..fault.aspx
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 145
About leadership PACs, including Treasure State PAC
rod @ 45
hypothesis = confirmed!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 149
I’m not too sure about that one, OKK… somethin’ about “the devil you know vs the one you don’t”…
Obama’s at the bottom of my “trust” account…
Cujo359 @ 143
I believe the typo is at the bottom of the post where it says Webb’s PAC. THAT should most likely say Tester’s PAC since some questions that were asked at a fund raiser for Tester’s PAC seems to be the thrust of the post.
Team B Strategic Objectives Panel:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/2822
I have now decided I support the so called “Third Way”. No Rudy, no Republicans and no Clintons”.
Three mighty fine looking people in that picture, especially the one on the far left…
OldCoastie @ 154
I cannot quibble with what you are telling me.
Howie also said that he hoped Tester’s PAC would support other progessive candidates like him, and not people like his opponent in the Democratic primary — who was supported by the DSCC. He had a good sense of humor about it and laughed heartily.
thanks for the correction
when you blog a lot you make typos, or at least I do
Just got an email from Jane; it’s a typo.
I’m going to fix it now.
dakine01 @ 155
The post has been updated and reflects this change.
A hard-refresh will reveal it.
“… the negative externalities of industrial agribusiness. . . .”
I just love women that use big words.
Beerfart Liberal @ 163
’specially ones I don’t know what they mean.
The Lurking Mod @ 162
Always nice to know that even wonderful smart people like Jane can make mistakes when brain is outpacing fingers. Happens to me far more frequently than I care to admit.
I think the question planting was the stupidest thing of Hillary’s campaign so far. Juvenile.
Loo Hoo. @ 166
It feels slightly desperate somehow – as if they feel she needs shoring up.
Loo Hoo. @ 166
Some might call it dishonest, rather than stupid.
Loo Hoo. @ 166
And the pundits will ask “What effect do you think this will have on Hillary’s campaign?” And other pundits will answer “None.” And so it won’t.
Beerfart Liberal @ 164
It’s another way of saying “polluting the living shit out of the soil, the water, the air, and the animals and crops raised, and the people who eat the products.”
Beerfart Liberal @ 164
Ian defined those words in his post from Saturday night that is linked in Jane’s write-up.
Somebody needs to start pointing out that Bush answers planted questions everytime he is asked a question, with the exception on the rare occasion when someone slips a real question in. The focus needs to be on Bush and the Repubs and their lies.
I’ve had enough of juveniles running the WH.
Rove is counting on the Dems to eat their own.
Ed*ard Teller @ 158
ET,
OT did you see the story in today’s WaPo0 (also online) about the corruption in Alaska? Interesting read.
LS @ 172
Agreed.
My Grandma always told me that two wrongs don’t make a right. She was right.
But they do it too.
Ed*ard Teller @ 170
Gotcha. Now when I say it, I’ll know what it means. And the “people who it the end products” would be …. me, right?
Hey what is “diggit” anyway? Maybe that’ll be my next adventure – after the facebook adventure (which I still think I don’t have right.)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 168
Since so many of us have run for President, I assume we all know the pressures, and the delegation that goes into making a campaign.
And since when did FDL become the Anti-Hillary Jihad site of the Lefty Blogosphere?
She isn’t my first choice, but they all have warts. And flunkies.
feinberg saw the same thing and comes away with an entirely differant conclusion so I give that absolutely no weight
in addition we all know they can listen on anything they want, the just have to show something close to a concern and they can show that concern after they listen…so that explanation doesn’t fly
I’ll tell you what DOES fly though;
they showed her something that they are holding over her head, they gathered this information WITH the illegal nsa and THAT’S what’s scaring her
they are threatening her with either embarrassment or jail time, SOMETHING
I’m sure everyone will have a stroke but this article by Newt on how stupid the campaign for president is makes some great points
Get Newtered
Oklahoma kiddo @ 166
It’s part of the old style of politics that assumes that voters are saps and easily hoodwinked. Politicians don’t do these things because they think they are smart. They do them because they think they can get away with them. Planted questions, cosmetic votes, political kabuki in general, it’s all the same mindset.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 178
I know. I think things like the Hillary “deception” is important to point out…but to also keep pointing out that they deceive constantly, on a much larger scale on all kinds of topics.
dakine01 @ 171
I’ll go back and read it. I don’t like being an ignoramus. Sets a bad example for the kids.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 129
first, there had been negotiations going on prior to reid’s announcement – did none of those senators not ask in advance? were the they lied to? or did they not bother to keep abreast of what was going on.
second, that wasn’t the excuse that was given to greg sargent or scarecrow (but apparently not publically on the record) – that excuse was that they weren’t told until 7pm or that “evening” about the vote – more than 9 hours after reid made his public announcement.
looks like kabuki to me.
Speaking for myself only of course, I just want all of our candidate to tell the truth and indulge in fair play. My, my. What a tall order.
LS @ 174
Yup.
newtonusr @ 180
I’m a Hillary supporter. One of the few here!
New Christy upstairs!
Oily
newtonusr @ 178
It’s the AHJSOLB (Anti-Hillary Jihad site of Left Blogospheristan) also known as the Jihad Against Clinton’s Kind (JACK). We had a meeting. Apparently you weren’t there so you don’t know Jack.
Loo Hoo. @ 166
Really was dumb becuase she doesn’t need that. She’s not a dope and these politicians know how to work in their line in response to any question you ask them. Ask Hillary what she had for breakfast and she’ll find some way to spew her crap about how Bush’s policy on Iran sucks and hers is good. She doesn’t need to be set up in order to ensure that she gets to say what they want her to say. they just have to tell her what they want her to say.
Hugh @ 191
No sign-up sheet? Linky, please…
Loo Hoo. @ 189
good for you! don’t let those us who aren’t fans deter you. quite frankly, i don’t think any of us really knows who would make the best president – your guess is as good as mine, and maybe better.
All of the above?
I can’t see Reid’s office wanting to let Dodd’s campaign know it was coming up, since Dodd had said he’d filibuster. I can see Reid’s staffers lying to Dodd’s.
I can see Obama’s staffers not keeping track of this sort of thing – he’s missed enough votes to make me wonder if they actually pay any attention to the Senate schedule, or even bother to check.
Hillary – I don’t know what her excuse might be.
I can also see that when candidates are in Iowa, if they don’t have a chartered plane available, it might take most of a day to get back to DC – you’d have to go to Chicago or St Louis or Minneapolis to get a direct flight. It would be nearly three hours from Chicago to DC, I think.
P J Evans @ 195
i can certianly see reid lying. but no one has said he did or given that as an excuse. clinton’s staff told me that she had a schedule conflict – for the other three, i was told there was no statement. instead there was, apparently a controlled leak to where it would get favorable treaatment.
that’s not open goverment.
and i don’t think dodd said he would filbuster mukasey – he has, however, said he would filibuster fisa amnesty.
Loo Hoo. @ 189
Then you support her vote on the Iraq War, Kyle-Liebernman, and her campaign financing sources?
sporkovat @ 39
i call bs. plenty of people are willing to discuss this topic – including me. but that doesn’t mean i want to discuss it all the time. explaining why i think i disagree with you would probably have taken the whole thread and i didn’t feel like getting into it.
especially because i was already being a pain in the ass about the iran votes, and then about the mukasey nomination.
and also the accusation of “unlikely anone else will” kinda pissed me off.
selise @ 198
ok ok, noted. it is sometimes discussed here, and does often divert from whatever is being discussed.
however,, Rod was on point in that our feistiest ally in the middle east just might have something to do with a major subject in the post, the ginning up of the next war against a country that does not threaten the USA.
sporkovat @ 199 –
thanks for that nice response!
selise @ 187
You’re right.
Dodd said he’d vote against Mukasey, though, and that wouldn’t have put him on the good list for Reid’s people when they were
selling outnegotiating whatever deal they set up.I’d sure like to hear those excuses, though. Surely they know that?
P J Evans @ 201
true enough. i can see lots of possibilities.
and i’m with you – i want to hear what the candidates have to say about missing the vote (clinton gets points here for saying she had a scheduling conflict – she didn’t blame it on any one else, and owns up to it not being as important to her as what ever else she had planned).
they’ll know we want to know if we keep calling and asking for answers. that’s what i’m going to do and i hope others will too.
re the webb amendment: i read on a ME website recently that the al qaeda guys serve on the front line for 10 days and then get 20 days R & R. (or maybe it was the other way round)/ . at least somebody’s gettin treated right. Makes you wonder though whose side these folks are on.
Nice work there, Jane.
Toby Worlin @ 107
A couple of days ago Peterr had a great comment about responding to these guys. I got a letter from Pelosi today and utilized as much of Peterr as I could remember: “No brains, no guts, no money from me.”
This was after I had added a sentence saying “And you expect me to send $$$ to someone who was in my neighborhood fund-raising for Al Wynn last weekend. Not. Gonna. Happen.”
Jane,
You all look tipsy, although you look much more composed than Jon. Does Howie drink, or does he usually look that way?
Good to see your enjoying yoursel Jane.. More health and distance coupled to 5 decades more of shit kicking progressivity and bitchin the good fight sister Jane!
Tester is my Senator, I supported him and gave him a lot of money. I have informed him, however, I will never give him another dime. He ran against the war and that’s why he won. MT. was a red state, but it’s very much against the Iraq war. In local elections last week, 2 cities voted by 65% to send resolutions to their Congressmen (Tester) to immediately end the war. Tester has given everyone the line he must’ve learned from Steny, that he has to vote to support the troops. He knows that line is BS and so does everyone in MT. His office has been inundated with angry calls every time he votes to give W. money. I guess he thinks Baucus is right, try to play things down the middle.
For Tester to blame us stupid, retarded voters for not knowing the difference between supporting the troops and killing the troops is insulting. My 12 year old kid knows that giving W. any money is dangerous. I will never support him again since he has never done ANYTHING to actually stop the war. I know a lot of Montanans who are ex-Tester supporters.
SOMERSET @ 205
Neither Howie nor I drink. The wine glasses were actually on the other side of the table and it was a bit of an optical illusion in the photo. We were having a very good time, though.
cool, an organic farmer!
Dick (no, not that one) @ 206
oops. my ears perked up when i heard that sartorial vision of splendor’s name ‘STENY.”
what do you get when you cross steny hoyer with a pastry?
a sten bun.
http://www.informationclearing…..e18688.htm
http://www.informationclearing…..e18687.htm
The Neoconservative Agenda to Sacrifice the Fifth Fleet
The New Pearl Harbor
By Michael E. Salla, M.A., Ph.D.
A most interesting read, and THANK YOU Rep. Kucinich!