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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/12/in-observance/#comment-1094224</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1094126&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;secularhumanizinevoluter @ 95&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well, let’s see. Hitler…OH YEAH! He declared WAR on us. That guy in Iran……crickets….crickets well, looks like that’s your answer! Much like the founding fathers I really don’t care to much what he does to his fellow Iranians. Like I felt about that fellow in Iraq, if the people who live there don’t care for him, take him out back and put one in his ear. But he’ll kill lots of them you might say, tough, like the saying goes, freedom isn’t free, go fight and in all probability die for your country. How bout we invest the gazillion wasted dollars spent killing a whole bunch of folks who NEVER did a single thing to me or mine in renewable energy sources? Then the entire middle east can go pound…WAIT for ITTT, SAND up their kiesters.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You do recall he has said he would like to wipe the Israeli’s off the face of the earth and bring us down. Is this something not to be take seriously?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>Well, let’s see. Hitler…OH YEAH! He declared WAR on us. That guy in Iran……crickets….crickets well, looks like that’s your answer! Much like the founding fathers I really don’t care to much what he does to his fellow Iranians. Like I felt about that fellow in Iraq, if the people who live there don’t care for him, take him out back and put one in his ear. But he’ll kill lots of them you might say, tough, like the saying goes, freedom isn’t free, go fight and in all probability die for your country. How bout we invest the gazillion wasted dollars spent killing a whole bunch of folks who NEVER did a single thing to me or mine in renewable energy sources? Then the entire middle east can go pound…WAIT for ITTT, SAND up their kiesters.</p>
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<p>You do recall he has said he would like to wipe the Israeli’s off the face of the earth and bring us down. Is this something not to be take seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: secularhumanizinevoluter</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/12/in-observance/#comment-1094126</link>
		<dc:creator>secularhumanizinevoluter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, let’s see. Hitler…OH YEAH! He declared WAR on us. That guy in Iran……crickets….crickets well, looks like that’s your answer! Much like the founding fathers I really don’t care to much what he does to his fellow Iranians. Like I felt about that fellow in Iraq, if the people who live there don’t care for him, take him out back and put one in his ear. But he’ll kill lots of them you might say, tough, like the saying goes, freedom isn’t free, go fight and in all probability die for your country. How bout we invest the gazillion wasted dollars spent killing a whole bunch of folks who NEVER did a single thing to me or mine in renewable energy sources? Then the entire middle east can go pound…WAIT for ITTT, SAND up their kiesters.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let’s see. Hitler…OH YEAH! He declared WAR on us. That guy in Iran……crickets….crickets well, looks like that’s your answer! Much like the founding fathers I really don’t care to much what he does to his fellow Iranians. Like I felt about that fellow in Iraq, if the people who live there don’t care for him, take him out back and put one in his ear. But he’ll kill lots of them you might say, tough, like the saying goes, freedom isn’t free, go fight and in all probability die for your country. How bout we invest the gazillion wasted dollars spent killing a whole bunch of folks who NEVER did a single thing to me or mine in renewable energy sources? Then the entire middle east can go pound…WAIT for ITTT, SAND up their kiesters.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/12/in-observance/#comment-1094074</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I normally don’t agree with anything on any of these posts….but this was a really nice observance to the vets (including myself-served on a sub for 5 years). I didn’t expect to see something like this out here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another observance, most of the people posting about vets of WWII agreed it was a good idea to take out Hitler. This guy in Iran has almost all the same qualities as Hitler, plus a unique vision of Islam that make him more dangerous, at least in my opinion. What are any of your thoughts on what to do with Ahmadinejad?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Trich, funny story about the Draft Board. I would have done the same thing thinking…”What are you going to do, send me to sea”!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I normally don’t agree with anything on any of these posts….but this was a really nice observance to the vets (including myself-served on a sub for 5 years). I didn’t expect to see something like this out here.</p>
<p>Another observance, most of the people posting about vets of WWII agreed it was a good idea to take out Hitler. This guy in Iran has almost all the same qualities as Hitler, plus a unique vision of Islam that make him more dangerous, at least in my opinion. What are any of your thoughts on what to do with Ahmadinejad?</p>
<p>Trich, funny story about the Draft Board. I would have done the same thing thinking…”What are you going to do, send me to sea”!!</p>
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		<title>By: trich</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/12/in-observance/#comment-1094014</link>
		<dc:creator>trich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;my graduating HS class in 1968 had 72 people total. Of those, myself and a friend volunteered(USAF) one joined the Navy and served as a medic with Marine Force Recon(the 3 of us all served in Vietnam), and one was drafted-he served in Germany. No one else in my class was drafted, and no one else volunteered. BTW I got my draft card while in Vietnam, I sent my draft board a picture of me throwing my draft card into a fire, and sent them back a note that said, what are you going to do, arrest my ass and send me to Vietnam. That did not go over very well, my parents said that they were visited by an FBI agent, they reminded him that he was the one who had interviewed them for several hours when I got my Top Secret clearance, they dropped their investigation when they(fbi)discovered that I was currently in Vietnam. The moral is; Don’t mess with the draft board.(but I still wonder just why none of my other classmates ever got a draft notice, did not make much sense then, or now.) BTW, as a first generation american I can not claim any relatives who fought for the US in any war, but every one of my relatives, uncles, aunts, cousins, grandparents, were part of the resistance in Norway. More than 1/2 of my relatives died, and several others, my mother included, were arrested by the Nazi’s(my mother was 16 when she was arrested.She, along with what remained of my family emigrated to the US in 1947.(My father was killed in Korea, on the first of July 1950, he survived the Nazi’s thru out WWII, and was killed on the 6th day of the Korean war. However several of my cousins did serve in Vietnam, one was badly wounded and killed himself a few months later, I also had an Aunt who served as an Army Nurse(major) in Vietam, she was wounded, and earned a Bronze Star-Like the saying goes, s*it happens, then you die. I survived 24 months in Vietnam without a scratch, and was almost killed in Korea in a training accident.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my graduating HS class in 1968 had 72 people total. Of those, myself and a friend volunteered(USAF) one joined the Navy and served as a medic with Marine Force Recon(the 3 of us all served in Vietnam), and one was drafted-he served in Germany. No one else in my class was drafted, and no one else volunteered. BTW I got my draft card while in Vietnam, I sent my draft board a picture of me throwing my draft card into a fire, and sent them back a note that said, what are you going to do, arrest my ass and send me to Vietnam. That did not go over very well, my parents said that they were visited by an FBI agent, they reminded him that he was the one who had interviewed them for several hours when I got my Top Secret clearance, they dropped their investigation when they(fbi)discovered that I was currently in Vietnam. The moral is; Don’t mess with the draft board.(but I still wonder just why none of my other classmates ever got a draft notice, did not make much sense then, or now.) BTW, as a first generation american I can not claim any relatives who fought for the US in any war, but every one of my relatives, uncles, aunts, cousins, grandparents, were part of the resistance in Norway. More than 1/2 of my relatives died, and several others, my mother included, were arrested by the Nazi’s(my mother was 16 when she was arrested.She, along with what remained of my family emigrated to the US in 1947.(My father was killed in Korea, on the first of July 1950, he survived the Nazi’s thru out WWII, and was killed on the 6th day of the Korean war. However several of my cousins did serve in Vietnam, one was badly wounded and killed himself a few months later, I also had an Aunt who served as an Army Nurse(major) in Vietam, she was wounded, and earned a Bronze Star-Like the saying goes, s*it happens, then you die. I survived 24 months in Vietnam without a scratch, and was almost killed in Korea in a training accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/12/in-observance/#comment-1093887</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;they call me “the thread killer!”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they call me “the thread killer!”</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/12/in-observance/#comment-1093776</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m sorry but isn’t it obvious that both of those former presidents have a pre 9-11 mentality!!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like shootin’ fish in a barrel!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I don’t mean to be a wise ass, I was born that way!”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m sorry but isn’t it obvious that both of those former presidents have a pre 9-11 mentality!!!!</p>
<p>Like shootin’ fish in a barrel!</p>
<p>“I don’t mean to be a wise ass, I was born that way!”</p>
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		<title>By: secularhumanizinevoluter</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/12/in-observance/#comment-1093719</link>
		<dc:creator>secularhumanizinevoluter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Morning doves cuing softly, at the window by my bed,&lt;br /&gt;
memories of battles fought are churning in my head.&lt;br /&gt;
The dawn filters through the windows, lightin up my eyes.&lt;br /&gt;
I think about the night that’s past, and stiffly start to rise…and then move on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The ghosts they come to me, every time I go to sleep.&lt;br /&gt;
Images of broken bodies, from which life slowly seeks.&lt;br /&gt;
And I try to stop the leaking, with my blood clot slimy hands, and watch the life force fading from the eyes of these young men…and then move on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They look so small and helpless, when their laying on the ground.&lt;br /&gt;
Children playing soldier, till the recess bell it sounds.&lt;br /&gt;
But the shattered limbs and the shredded flesh say this ain’t no game they’ve found.&lt;br /&gt;
We’ll plant another crop of Heroes, and the world keeps turning round and then move on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thirty years and more have passed since then but I still see them every night.&lt;br /&gt;
Still the dawn is waiting after each drawn out firefight. The ones who lived have all moved on and the ones who died have stayed.&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe someday we’ll find piece, at least that’s what they say…and then move on. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Went to the wall day before yesterday. I tell myself everytime I won’t break down THIS time but every time I do. Looked around…I wasn’t the only one crying. All of us on this side of that black mirror with the names on it are getting old. All of those on the other side will forever be young…in our hearts and minds. They’ll never have the chance to stand there with us and cry for lost brothers…everytime. Keep your “Happy Veterans Day” I want them back.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morning doves cuing softly, at the window by my bed,<br />
memories of battles fought are churning in my head.<br />
The dawn filters through the windows, lightin up my eyes.<br />
I think about the night that’s past, and stiffly start to rise…and then move on.</p>
<p>The ghosts they come to me, every time I go to sleep.<br />
Images of broken bodies, from which life slowly seeks.<br />
And I try to stop the leaking, with my blood clot slimy hands, and watch the life force fading from the eyes of these young men…and then move on.</p>
<p>They look so small and helpless, when their laying on the ground.<br />
Children playing soldier, till the recess bell it sounds.<br />
But the shattered limbs and the shredded flesh say this ain’t no game they’ve found.<br />
We’ll plant another crop of Heroes, and the world keeps turning round and then move on.</p>
<p>Thirty years and more have passed since then but I still see them every night.<br />
Still the dawn is waiting after each drawn out firefight. The ones who lived have all moved on and the ones who died have stayed.<br />
Maybe someday we’ll find piece, at least that’s what they say…and then move on. </p>
<p>Went to the wall day before yesterday. I tell myself everytime I won’t break down THIS time but every time I do. Looked around…I wasn’t the only one crying. All of us on this side of that black mirror with the names on it are getting old. All of those on the other side will forever be young…in our hearts and minds. They’ll never have the chance to stand there with us and cry for lost brothers…everytime. Keep your “Happy Veterans Day” I want them back.</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/12/in-observance/#comment-1093391</link>
		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hello Hope!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: HopeSpringsATurtle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/12/in-observance/#comment-1093385</link>
		<dc:creator>HopeSpringsATurtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you Christy for your timely, touching post. Dr. Turtle came home from the hospital today after saving a young Marine after a suicide attempt. 3860 official dead, 4000  unofficial dead today. (suicides, deaths out-of-theater, etc.) 600,000  backlogged veterans claims. Until we have an administration that keeps the promises made to those that serve, private citizens and the veterans organization must try to fill the gaps.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Support the troops and vets by doing helping in any way you can. I have &lt;a href=&quot;http://deepconfusion.blogspot.com/2007/11/happy-veterans-day.html&quot;&gt;links&lt;/a&gt; at my place.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Christy for your timely, touching post. Dr. Turtle came home from the hospital today after saving a young Marine after a suicide attempt. 3860 official dead, 4000  unofficial dead today. (suicides, deaths out-of-theater, etc.) 600,000  backlogged veterans claims. Until we have an administration that keeps the promises made to those that serve, private citizens and the veterans organization must try to fill the gaps.</p>
<p>Support the troops and vets by doing helping in any way you can. I have <a href="http://deepconfusion.blogspot.com/2007/11/happy-veterans-day.html">links</a> at my place.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Pierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/12/in-observance/#comment-1093138</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1/4 current veterans are homeless and care at the VAHs is a shambles and access is more bureaucratic than ever.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At least 1500 Veterans who served in Iraq and Afganistan are homeless, and the number is probably considerably more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress has not passed a budget for the VAH this year–its operating on last year’s budget.  I don’t hear a lot from the Pres hopefuls on these topics.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush the Chickenhawk did participate in a video game on the Iraq war, although he was too lazy to fly the big plane back to D.C. to lay a wreath.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He shopped in Waco, though, doing his usual part for “the war.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1/4 current veterans are homeless and care at the VAHs is a shambles and access is more bureaucratic than ever.</p>
<p>At least 1500 Veterans who served in Iraq and Afganistan are homeless, and the number is probably considerably more.</p>
<p>Congress has not passed a budget for the VAH this year–its operating on last year’s budget.  I don’t hear a lot from the Pres hopefuls on these topics.</p>
<p>Bush the Chickenhawk did participate in a video game on the Iraq war, although he was too lazy to fly the big plane back to D.C. to lay a wreath.</p>
<p>He shopped in Waco, though, doing his usual part for “the war.”</p>
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