I considered attending the “Volunteer Training Meeting” held Saturday morning at Bill Graham Civic Auditorium for citizens who wanted to help with the cleanup of the San Francisco Bay’s worst oil spill in years.
But I’m glad I stayed home instead.
Hundreds of would-be oil spill cleanup volunteers who wanted to do something were told on Saturday in San Francisco to go home and do nothing.
Spilled oil is just too dangerous for ordinary citizens to clean up, the experts said.
The word came at an “informational session” for would-be volunteers at Bill Graham Civic Auditorium sponsored by the state Department of Fish and Game.
“Don’t go to the beach, don’t pick up tar balls, don’t touch wildlife,” said Yvonne Addassi, a wildlife director for the department. “We don’t want you to be in contact with the oil. It’s a hazardous substance.”
Fish & Game did manage to ask everyone to fill out a form. What is it with government and the forms?
At the volunteer meeting, everyone at the gathering was given an official-looking state volunteer application to fill out, complete with a loyalty oath.
Yes, apparently California Fish & Game requires you to complete a loyalty oath when they ask you to stay home and do nothing.
Because if you disobey, you’ll be cited.
Beth Brown of San Francisco said she and her boyfriend spent about 15 minutes cleaning Baker Beach on Saturday morning, filling a couple of plastic bags with oily clumps. Then a park ranger and a cop appeared, told her the beach was closed and threatened them with arrest.
Or handcuffed.
It was much the same in Marin County, where Sigward Moser led a 30-person volunteer group – including 20 monks-in-training from the Mill Valley Zen Center – onto Muir Beach on Friday. For his efforts, he was detained and handcuffed.
The little army managed to scoop up nearly 500 bags of gloppy, sandy oil between 2 and 5 p.m. Moser said it was easy duty: “It rolls up like kitty litter, right off the surface of the sand. Went right into the bags with no problem.”
They got almost all of the oil they could find – and then a National Park ranger showed up.
“He asked us to leave, and we said we needed to do what we were doing, so he put me in handcuffs,” said Moser, a communications consultant. “I told him, ‘Well, there was nobody else doing the cleanup before we began,’ but he just said I was breaking the law and this is hazardous material that I shouldn’t be dealing with.”
Meanwhile, the oil may have spread as far as eighty miles south of the Golden Gate, while citizens are turned away, cited, and handcuffed for trying to clean the goop off our beaches.
More than 80 miles south of the Golden Gate, there was grim evidence that the oil slick was on the move. Amy Reber of San Jose said she jogged along the beach at Aptos, south of Santa Cruz, on Saturday and found 28 dead birds.
“These birds were all covered in gooey oil, and then there were these others that had oil all over and hadn’t died yet,” she said.
“The water out there sure looks weird and dark.”
At least Fish & Game, having distributed the loyalty oaths, only wasted an hour-and-a-half of everyone’s time.
After 90 minutes, Addassi said the “public class” for volunteers was over because she was late for her next public class in Richmond, where she was scheduled to tell another roomful of volunteers to go home and do nothing, too.
More on the spill and the lousy response here.
(YouTube courtesy of PBmedia)



153 Comments












Support this site!
Subscribe to the newsletter
Advertise on Firedoglake
Send
us your tips
Make us your homepage
About Firedoglake
Unfuckingbelieveable loyalty oaths, handcuffs and in CA none-the-less. I’m just stunned.
jeebus!
this isn’t good…
Did they put Brownie in charge of this? Sounds like it. Absolutely disgusting. What are they planning – do you know,TSF?
Hey, Teddy.
Sorta like no good deed (or even intention) goes unpunished.
Sorry to be negative. I’ve been in a good mood today….
More effort is being put into stopping the clean up by the citizens than is going into cleaning up the oil spill. What is wrong with this country? They need to control us at every turn.
Granted, I can see how they wouldn’t want people who didn’t have protective gear to just wade into the goop, but this is unreal. It’s on a par with Bush’s turning back Katrina relief sent from overseas.
What is in that stuff – besides oil?
Experts weigh in:
Why is Fish & Game so surprised people want to help? Our creature friends are dying and our beaches are fouled!
So let me guess – they have let a contract for the clean up and they can’t have volunteers “competing” as they would have to pay the contractor for the work anyway.
This is just plain AWFUL, Teddy! Thank God the spill isn’t even bigger, what with the idiocy level of the response. People up in Puget Sound and down in Long Beach should pay due heed to what is going on on those beaches near you.
Now don’t you guys have a governator who is a native of the same country as one of the WWII leaders?
Not that there’s any connection mind you…
MayDaze @ 9
Perhaps. The shipping company is paying a SoCal contractor called “O’Brien’s” to coordinate the cleanup, and, yes, their teevee spokesperson looks like your neighborhood bartender.
I caught a little blurb on CNN this morning. They said nothing about turning away volunteers, much less threatening them with arrest. They said nothing about the spill effecting waters beyond the Gate. The spill sounded very small and well contained.
They did mention it was a Chinese ship.
Phoenix Woman @ 6
They also turned back 300 boats and men from cajun country three days after the storm. This government doesn’t want to fix what is their responsibility and doesn’t want us to fix anything either. Dead birds. Dead people. They don’t care. Evidence points to them enjoying suffering.
“Good Samaritans”…the next folks to be put on Junya and Deadeye’s “watch list”.
MayDaze @ 9
DING!!!!!
Mad Dogs @ 15
Honey, we are all on it already. Every American. Every human is suspect.
dakine01 @ 11
Watch that now.
I’ve heard rumblings that Some People might make him the Presinator.
demi @ 18
That would take a Constitutional amendment – I understand some of his supporters are circulating a petition to that effect (?)
demi @ 18
Oh I’m sure there are. I’ve heard some of those rumblings and heard many of the same rumblings about Hank the K back when he was the Trickster and Ford’s SoS.
Ain’t gonna happen.
seems like a perfect opportunity to practice some of that civil disobedience Thoreau was so fond of. ..by the thousands. If I were in California, I would be doing what citizens in Louisiana were doing after that storm…trying to rescue survivors and be of service…in the face of government officials telling people to move along. Nothing to see here.
TeddySanFran @ 12
Is O’Briens maybe a division of Haliburton? Just wondered, since they do such a good job of everything.
The ship and the Port:
marymccurnin @ 17
Maybe I should’ve said at the top of the “watch list”.
Brought to you by your ever-watchful Department of Homeland Security: “Do a good deed…and reserve your place at the head of the line. No waiting and plenty of room.”
That, or suddenly they unearth some new paperwork that somehow he has dual citizenship or some other way around the rules.
I’ve heard that Some People have no problems manufacturing evidence to get what They want.
(am I on the list yet?)
Very OT but interesting bit of “Social Science”
Study Debunks Theory On Teen Sex, Delinquency
New Analyses Challenging Many Old Assumptions
WaPo
O’Brien’s
Further, I would be mighty suspect of any contractor who got a no-bid contract to co-ordinate the clean-up. That happened in Louisiana…the place is still a wreck, but I believe billions have been paid out.
demi @ 18
I don’t get the Governator. When he first got elected, he basically wanted to appoint Warren Buffet as budget director(which would have been interesting and a test of Buffet’s brilliance). Arnie backed out because the CA GOP’ers bitched up a storm that Arnie would appoint a bi-partisan cabinet(even if the only Dem was Buffet). He knows the GOP’ers are useless, yet he seems to suck up to them.
demi @ 25
There ain’t no way to play his history. It’s just a bit too well known for them to try to game it now.
MayDaze @ 9
And f large areas are cleaned by volunteers the contractor doesn’t get paid as much?
Lindy @ 21
I was just thinking the same thing. I am in SAC and going to the bay area tomorrow. Maybe I can find some like minded people.
Dakine, I hope you are correct.
I was just playing What If and teasing about but, but, Arnie’s the Governator out there in Cali….
Lindy @ 28
They made sure the clean up money didn’t go back into the local economy. Funny how the less fortunate were Dems. Black dems who supported unions. Fuckery.
Very weird. I don’t know what to make of this.
Don’t you have to be born in the states to run for presnut?
Mary,
If you do go out there and dance on the beach, watch out where you put your feets.
demi @ 37
I like oil quishing between my toes.
marymccurnin @ 36
Yes. I was trying to make the point that sometimes the rules get side-stepped, or just plan old stepped on.
demi @ 33
I know. Just the move to amend the Constitution to make him eligible is a gamey enough move. Thankfully it takes iirc both the 2/3s of both houses of Congress and of the individual states. And I doubt if the folks in CA would actually go for that since they now have experienced life under Arnie.
edit: but you would know better on that last since you’re are in CA I believe.
OT – but someone here may know how to find this. I’m looking for a link to the clip of video (or transcript) that maybe someone here can help me find.
I’m looking for the clip of Gonzales, after the illegal domestic spying on Americans on American soil program broke, being “remote interviewed” (on CNN I think, but maybe not) and asked about why Gov did not go to Congress to ask for legislation permitting them to do what they were doing with the program and his response was that they thought Congress would not give them that kind of legislation/permission.
I guess it’s bc I can’t remember the exact wording, but my searches are coming up dry except from some blog references that don’t have links to the actual clip or transcript.
If someone has a link – share??
marymccurnin @ 38
Why won’t they tell us what’s in this stuff that makes it dangerous? I think people have a right to know but I can’t remember the last time that mattered to the gov’t.
g’day pups… been lurking for awhile – i get angry and just need to be still and get over shit – but feds don’t want any volunteers? WTF!!! see this is why i get angry – b/c of stupid shit like refusing citizen vols whose only aim is to help clean the environment….
Even odder is that the State encourages clean-ups along rivers on Earth Day.
http://www.calparks.org/progra…..D=31548172
Just wanted to dip my toes in the (clean) lake before I run out…got orchestra tickets.
Stay warm and have fun.
And, Mary, take some turpentine with you for after the dance. :)
Twain @ 42
Let’s see here. They don’t want us to know what is in the oil. And the oil came from a Chinese ship. I don’t know. I just find all of this soooooo confusing. Supreme Commander Fuckery.
cinnamonape @ 31
Depends on the contract. Most of my experience with government contracting suggests that the contractor would prepare for a “level of effort” (trained personnel, equipment, etc.) and would be compensated accordingly, i.e., even if the contractor didn’t do all the work (through no fault of his own), he would receive the same compensation as if he had done it.
marymccurnin @ 36
No. But you would have to qualify for jus sanguinus (by blood) citizenship. I think, for example, that John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and Mitt Romney’s dad, who ran in the Republican primaries against Nixon, was actually born on a Mormon commune in Mexico. But they had parents that were US citizens, so were “natural born”.
Arnold is a narturalized citizen.
This loyalty oath business astounds me. When did it raise its ugly head again. I thought we got rid of loyalty oaths sometime in the 60s. I know that in the early 60s they were still in force because I turned down a national merit fellowship that had the oath attached. But I think that by 1964 or 1965 they were gone.
That they should ask loyalty oaths of anyone, much less volunteers, is simply beyond the pale. Someone should get on this case and find out where it started and who started it.
One slightly amusing note, appears from TSF’s link to O’Brien above that the spill response activity is called OOPS.
I am sickened by this – the oil spill, and the whole volunteer situation.
Does anyone here comment at DKos? I just went over there and looked – they are all gearing up to go volunteer. Could someone please give them the URL for this post – or somehow let them know about the fact their help is wanted? Thanks.
KathieinMN @ 51
Edit – their help is not wanted!
Fern @ 7
That was exactly my thought. Fuel oil is toxic to wildlife and it’s nasty, but it’s not usually considered dangerous.
Not usually.
Somebody with access to a lab needs to get a sample of this stuff and do an assay. Because the extreme behavior of Fish And Game suggests that there’s more involved here than simple corruption on the contract.
There’s something unusual about this spill, starting with the Coast Guard not telling local government, and this as well. I’m betting it’s not ordinary fuel oil that we’re dealing with, and that the public would be upset if word got out about what exactly was in it.
Who or what is the loyalty oath to? I’d like to see the actual oath, but the paper didn’t include it in the story.
somebody screwed up royally at the CG base, but I kinda doubt they are involved in some sort of conspiracy… CG would know it was fuel, but wouldn’t actually examine the fuel..
The loyalty oath is still required by the State of California for EMPLOYEES. But NOT Volunteers! Or people who simply attend an informational meeting. If they used the standard alifornia Employment Loyalty Oath one essentially signs away the right to participate in LEGAL organizations.It compels people to swaer that the oath is taken voluntarily, when in fact, one can lose one’s job for refusing.
And if one lies in any way, or signs the document unfaithfully…on can be served a $14,000 fine!
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~jendres/oath/
Rob From Santa Cruz @ 53
Maybe it contains benzene, which is super nasty.
OldCoastie @ 55
The Coast Guard is under Homeland Security, ja?
Could this all be ass-covering by Chertoff and that crowd?
cinnamonape @ 57
Would this be common with fuel oil?
OT and from the other forum:
Everyone at FDL knows I don’t agree on a lot of things with Christy. Notwithstanding, I would go door to door in a driving snow to pass out election literature for her if she ran for office. Like the Senate….or the House….Christy, I know you’ve got a kid and a husband, but your country needs you.
Cynic
cinnamonape @ 57
Oil spill cleanup, whether the sweetest crude or bunker fuel, is a nasty, toxic business. So many people involved in the Exxon Valdez cleanup have severe respiratory problems.
I wrote this about the Exxon Valdez spill and cleanup.
Mary @ 41
mary, do your remember what month it was?
OT: per this
from HufPo:
Donald Kerr is a disingenuous fool: that green-card holder doesn’t have the ability to record and data-mine all of your phone conversations. Nor does he have massive detention camps set up. Nor does he have a record of imprisoning American citizens for years without charges. Nor has he been charged with torture,
Nor has he been insisting on he need to torture.
But Kerr knows all that, and he knows that the American public knows all that. He is indulging in a convention of hypocricy that infests Washington D.C., along with which he is sure the senators of both parties will go.
I know Yvonne Addassi from days together at UC Davis. While I haven’t seen her in many years I do believe she a quite a bit of experience for CA Game & Fish in dealing with oil spills and wildlife. The question is who has juristiction for this is one I don’t know and I think you need to know that. It does sound as if that the volunteering was mishandled.
Mary @ 41
Mary,
I did a bit of googling and came up with a NPR interview with Gonzales that might fit your bill.
Check out the first Gonzales reply and see if that is the critter.
As to toxicity of the material, if it is very toxic then would the government(s) have a liability issue if they let citizens do the cleanup and those folks develop problems later.
AZ Matt @ 66
Someone made this point on Kos, and brought up the case of the 9/11 volunteers, many of whom became ill. As Michael Moore pointed out in SiCKO, no one wanted responsibility when they did.
This might actually make sense, although it would be better if CA state people came right out and said it, rather than try to keep it quiet.
Rob From Santa Cruz @ 58
I don’t think so… don’t know what’s going on with the clean-up biz, but the delay in reporting the actual size of the spill looks like a regular “situation normal, all f’ed up” kinda deal to me…
hey teddy, could you post the text of this “loyalty” oath please?
wigwam @ 63
If anyone in elected office who took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution goes along with that tripe, then each and every one who does should be impeached.
Pelosi works for the people. She does not have the power to say impeachment is off the table, and if she does, she herself should be impeached. She’s no asset to the party anyway….and I’m originally from California. I know what a two faced liar she is. We need to elect a new set of senators and congresspeople, that is, if the decider decides that there’s going to be an election, which I doubt.
Blackwater — aptly named — claimed to be our best hope in case of fire. Haven’t they offered to sop up the oil?
OldCoastie @ 68
Or they were carrying something else entirely. And they just happened to hit the bridge. HIT THE BAY BRIDGE. What were those people drinking? It’s pretty effing hard to hit the bay bridge! it’s one big motha
yup, cynic – that’s what surprised me was that they hit the bridge at all… those pilots are usually just amazingly skilled…
Lindy @ 21
More like the civil disobedience of Gandhi making salt from sea water on the beach.
I wonder what contaminant they’re talking about, these paternalistic patronizing authority figure types.
cynic @ 72
That was my question. And why didn’t the harbor patrol MAKE them change course, instead of letting the crew blow them off with “well, OUR instruments say we’re on course…”
Whoever was driving that thing needs to be put in JAIL until the investigation is completed.
The only tiny light in this is that many of the areas affected this time are NOT mainly populated with poor minority folk. That’s a lot of prime real estate, enjoyed by a lot of educated folks with money and savvy. Much harder to ignore.
FunnyDiva
Not laughing today.
[spit]
From the SF Chon:
The job of getting the oil out of the wetlands will be difficult, she said. In studies 10 years after the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska’s Prince William Sound, scientists found traces of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, a family of chemicals that are known to cause cancer and reproductive damage in lab animals. The chemicals were at levels considered to be toxic to marine life.
The cleanup of hazardous materials has gotten more sophisticated over the years with much more protection and training for those who do it.
it’s look to me like an oil spill… I can’t imagine what secret cargo they would have been carrying that would have created the need for a giant cone of silence…
I never worked any major oil spills, so its hard for me to imagine what the protocol is for the CG reporting requirements these days. I do know that even a minor spill – like 10 gallons – can look quite massive, depending on how heavy the crude is, how fast the tide is moving, how hard the wind is blowing, etc… the flip side is that sometimes when the oil is super goopy and thick, it floats, to some extent, under the surface – so I don’t know what the boat crew might have been looking at initially. It does sound like the CG knew the size of the spill fairly early, but somehow screwed up and didn’t distribute that information… I don’t attribute that to conspiracy, but more likely the duty officer was inexperienced and just didn’t plug the info into the proper channels… that’s my guess anyway.
alank @ 74
And why should they care NOW? They sure as HELL haven’t given a shit about anything H&S related that might interfere with their corporate cronies’ bottom lines before!
[spit]
FunnyDiva
Mary @ 41
Mary, FWIW here is a Think Progress page that contains this quote:
We have had discussions with Congress in the past — certain members of Congress — as to whether or not FISA could be amended to allow us to adequately deal with this kind of threat, and we were advised that that would be difficult, if not impossible.
Millineryman @ 1
What’s this? 75 posts and no California Uber Alles?
I want to amplify on a comment made far above.
Something about this story, and the quick, ubiquitous police action to keep people away from this substance, doesn’t make sense.
I hope someone had the foresight to take a sample of the “oil”, so we can see what is really in it. There have been plenty of oil spills in the past, and I have never heard of a reaction like this.
OldCoastie @ 73
And where, exactly were they going, or coming from? there is only one thing south of the bay bridge. The port of Redwood City. Which, unless they have dredged it way deeper isn’t deep enough to carry a fully loaded ocean…going ship (I’ve gotten pie eyed watching fireworks in that part of the bay …from a sail boat…to know what’s down there. Also, I suppose Moffat Field NAS, but I don’t think you can get close enough, because it silted up even before we left California. And if they were coming the other way…..roughly north west, what were they carrying? And as you said, those pilots are more than just good. I mean some stupid Navy captain ran an aircraft carrier aground in the middle of the bay a few years ago…but hey, that’s the navy. Of course, I’m assuming they hit the San Francisco side, not the Oakland side, where there is deep water, and plants that manufacture all sorts of nasty stuff. But then again, what were those people drinking? And is it coincidence that Palo Alto is planning to simulate a biohazard attack next week? Yes, we in New Jersey do keep our contacts in a town we lived in for 50 years.
OldCoastie @ 68
That does have the right of truth to it. SNAFU ain’t a standard part of the lexicon for nothin’.
OldCoastie @ 73
I was on a tug up at the refinery terminal in Anacortes WA this August. The tracking available on the bridge of a tug or tanker these days is awesome. For this to have been able to have happened may mean that the ship was being piloted by a good pilot with no current navigational tools. Although most American-owned ships have tools that give realtime position, course and predicted outcomes, these tools aren’t required by the government. It could be that the pilot, being used to the space age stuff on an earlier ship, was confused by the setup on this ship, or that the systems were down and he took it through anyway. The Bay Bridge is HUGE, but the currents there can be deceptive and aren’t always running like they’re supposed to.
As to the fuel’s makeup, the USCG probably immediately took many samples. But they are mostly used to verify that the spill did indeed come from a particular hull, not to determine the toxic level of the substance. That usually comes much later, and from information supplied by a third party.
Here is some information on bunker oil:
Bunker oil properties and uses
Mary, I’m not quite there yet, but I’m on the hunt. I found this quote:
ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALES: This is not a backdoor approach. We believe Congress has authorized this kind of surveillance. We have had discussions with Congress in the past — certain members of Congress — as to whether or not FISA could be amended to allow us to adequately deal with this kind of threat, and we were advised that that would be difficult, if not impossible.
It was at this press briefing:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..219-1.html
Rob From Santa Cruz @ 83
On the other hand… that doesn’t explain Fish And Game’s behavior. They’ve had several days to work through the response.
Ed*ard Teller @ 84
According to the SF Chronicle, this pilot has had some problems in the past although he has been around for a very long time. I believe they said he had been involved in 4 incidents.
Rob From Santa Cruz @ 87
Also, the SF bay has a “baykeeper.” I wonder what they’re office is saying.
I mean, my take is, okay if you’re carrying a buzillion gallons of chemical weapons just to dump on Iran, then say it’s a dangerous military cargo that spilled. Stay away from the bay. The USCG and the Army will clean it up. Maybe they’re hoping it just sinks. But it won’t and when it gets into the water supply…..hooo boy! Doesn’t anyone teach the politicians that sometimes it’s better to say, yes, we were carrying something, it’s classified, it’s dangerous, and that’s all we’re going to say. Stay away from it, we’ll clean it up. We don’t want to fu** up the bay anymore than anyone else does….unless they do. But even a cynic can’t believe that.
Ed*ard Teller @ 84
that musta been very interesting – computers sure do make a difference!… when I was in, LORAN seemed “new-fangled” since we didn’t have it on the utility boats, and our radar wasn’t reliable (like it didn’t work when it rained)… we just used a compass, a sliderule, a chart, a stopwatch and a pencil to figure out where we were…
;-)
cynic @ 82
Port of Oakland is south of the Bay Bridge.
o’briens parent company is seacor holdings based in ft. lauderdale. interesting the acronym is the same as the “state enhanced authority for coastal & offshore resources” act.
the company has homeland security contracts, and last year was awarded an oil cleanup contract for lebanon through USAID.
http://www.naharnet.com/domino…..220065708A
Ed*ard Teller @ 84
Then why the hell would the pilot ignore, blow off actually, a warning from the Coast Guard. He/she basically said “A&I” and just kept going instead of re-evaluating their course.
And it’s hard to believe that this would be any decent pilot’s first experience with less-than-space-age equipment. That’s a busy area for shipping, with ships from all over the world.
Hmmm. Wonder what the timing is on shift changes and/or the rest periods are for the pilots there.
Feh!
FunnyDiva
sounds like the Chinese bought themselves the “discount” pilot…
Tithonia @ 91
You’re absolutely right, and it’s on the other side of TI (Treasure Island) and it’s a deep water port, ’cause they load container ships there. But the USCG has all sorts of high tech stuff…(hell all you need is a gps) and they’re supposed to be watching it…that’s what we pay em to do…..and maybe someone just proved that the entire bay isn’t safe even with all that high tech stuff we, the tax payers paid for. It’s a bridge, for God sake. You can see it very clearly on radar. I agree with someone above. The CG’s warning should not have been regarded as advisory! What effing protection?
OldCoastie @ 94
Or maybe (to amplify what FunnyDiva said) someone was off the bridge!
the thing that makes my ears perk up is that the pilot had 4 other “incidents”… that is about 3 or 4 too many…
cynic @ 96
no, the pilot wouldn’t be off the bridge during the manuevers.
OldCoastie @ 97
What he said.
MayDaze @ 9
That’d be my first guess.
In other related news:
Russian oil tanker breaks in half off coast of Crimea
Wow, this really is a new low in the politicization of Gov. agencies..
Making Volunteers fill out Loyalty oaths?
Whoever came up with that one, is just as big an idiot as the FBI agents that were tracking Falafel sales in S.F. expecting to find Iranian Secret Agents!
I’m no expert, but it seems to me all ya had to tell the folks who wanted to volunteer is: get some heavy rubber gloves, the kind of suit ya wear over your clothes when you’re painting a house, and maybe a dust mask..
Then set up places where ya can drop off the oil you collect..
Instead, we get another government clusterfuck.. oh well, I hope ya all raise a little hell in ‘the city by the bay,’ and get the the government hacks to do the right thing, and clean up the Bay!!
does anyone have a copy of the loyalty oath? i’d be interested to see what it says.
behindthefall @ 71
I just assumed the black death would be called in. :-(
pilots don’t work all that long… they take the ship from the pier out past some specific point… they are called “harbor pilots” – in theory, because they really know their own harbors – its tides and quirks – best.
Fatigue shouldn’t be it and off the bridge or drunk really shouldn’t be the reasons… I think ET’s got it – probably the pilot was working with unfamiliar equipment on an unfamiliar ship…and for whatever reason, he decided not to listen when the CG called him about his course… remember, typically the CG has a lot of respect for the pilots and would have assumed he knew what he was doing… they are the “super professionals” in the harbor.
cynic @ 99
edited for ya’, cynic…
selise @ 103
Given, that the government has set itself against its people, they’re scared of us. They should be.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 80
The scary thing is that shortly thereafter, Ronald Reagan became president — and Jello had to change the lyrics accordingly. (He’d thought that Jerry Brown was bad. Little did he know that Jerry Brown was friggin’ Clement Atlee compared to Reagan.)
Nightprowlkitty’s got a great diary up about Naomi Wolf’s recent FDL post.
A few recommendations never hurt.
Ironically for once the people of Bolinas would have been happy to see you.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..HTABA6.DTL
OldCoastie @ 97
You got that one right! I haven’t read up on the particulars of this spill yet.
I’m in and out of the shop – taking breaks from blowing off about 7 inches of new snow from the driveway/parking lot…
Carl from L.A. @ 81
Dumb question here – was the ship on its way into the harbour or out of the harbour? Were they shipping toxic waste offshore? Which is, I believe illegal and has international implicaitons, so they wouldn’t really want to let the public know what was in it – if the oil was contaminated.
The question of what the stuff is contaminated with is what came to my mind first.
If there is something icky in it, there is a legitimate concern about people handling it without proper protection. And if people collect the stuff, where and how will it be disposed of?
If the stuff was being shipped into the country, then I haven’t a clue.
Mary (from downstairs) -
Thank you so much for your response to my question on detainee numbers.
Great post, Teddy.
With a corporatist regime, the Federalization of the disaster ensures the privatization of the disaster – and criminalizes public scrutiny of the failed response.
OTOH – Monday is a holiday for many, and the weather should be sunny.
Great day for mass CD at Bay Area Beaches – wonder what the other Bay Area bloggers are writing about today – or tonight or Monday AM?
Fern @ 112
Okay – answered my own question. It was being shipped out of the country.
cynic @ 89
Do you mean this?
Plus, I don’t know how this went — if they wound up telling people they weren’t needed like in the Chronicle story but Bay Keeper had this meetup this morning
RBG @ 109
I recommended it. (Of course, I’m just a troll, over at DKos.)
P.S. Phoenix Woman, that version of California Uber Alles had some sound quality problems, this one is better.
I have 1st hand experience with oil spill and wildlife. #6 bunker oil is nasty stuff that you don’t want to mess with. The cleanup crews and the wildlife/bird rescue and washing teams all had to wear Tyvek (in August in Florida) and neoprene gloves. I was involved with triage and transport of live birds to the washing station. It was a massive operation. Took me weeks to stop smelling the horrible stench.
There’s a good diary by Plutonium Page on DKos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/11/115728/69
a good one by Lineatus too:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/8/183153/576
with info on volunteering to help wildlife. Let the cleanup crews handle the water & the beach. Get some quick training on capturing wildlife safely and with minimal additional stress to them. There is a protocol for prepping birds for cleaning and reducing their stress hormones. Some birds will die of capture myopathy even if you’ve gotten them stable, so knowing what you are doing is important.
My heart breaks for the poor victims of this awful act of (probable) incompetence. And I spare a thought for the creatures affected by the huge spill by the Russian tanker. Any bets it was a single-hull ship?
Too much suffering in this world, most of it anthropogenic.
it certainly sounds like heavy fog was a major factor in the accident. It is killer hard to work out on the water in really dense fog – you can’t see, you can’t hear… you can’t drive the boat at normal speeds… also looks like the ship’s instruments were off…
Sorry, I screwed up the quotes and hyperlinks in my comment.
Siun is upstairs with the author of Beyond the Green Zone.
FYI, Book salon upstairs
selise @ 103
here you go:
Section 3100… California code
We’re officially a country of stupid fucking idiots aren’t we?
Just how much more bizarre can it get?
No – here’s the code with the oath itself; that just gave reference to the code, not the oath.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 20 MISCELLANEOUS SUBJECTS
SEC. 3. Members of the Legislature, and all public officers and
employees, executive, legislative, and judicial, except such inferior
officers and employees as may be by law exempted, shall, before they
enter upon the duties of their respective offices, take and
subscribe the following oath or affirmation:
“I, ______, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support
and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Consti-
tution of the State of California against all enemies, foreign
and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the
State of California; that I take this obligation freely, without
any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will
well and faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about
to enter.
“And I do further swear (or affirm) that I do not advocate,
nor
am I a member of any party or organization, political or other-
wise, that now advocates the overthrow of the Government of the
United States or of the State of California by force or violence
or other unlawful means; that within the five years immediately
preceding the taking of this oath (or affirmation) I have not
been a member of any party or organization, political or other-
wise, that advocated the overthrow of the Government of the
United States or of the State of California by force or violence
or other unlawful means except as follows:
________________________________________________________________
(If no affiliations, write in the words “No Exceptions”)
and that during such time as I hold the office of ______________
________________________________ I will not advocate nor become
(name of office)
a member of any party or organization, political or otherwise,
that advocates the overthrow of the Government of the United
States or of the State of California by force or violence or
other unlawful means.”
And no other oath, declaration, or test, shall be required as a
qualification for any public office or employment.
“Public officer and employee” includes every officer and employee
of the State, including the University of California, every county,
city, city and county, district, and authority, including any
department, division, bureau, board, commission, agency, or
instrumentality of any of the foregoing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here is the loyalty Oath Article XX sec 3
link
Sounds like just the job for Blackwater. They could provide security. They could cuff the citizens who came to help, while the black water in the ocean moves on to the next beach. Someones got to protect those beaches from the citizens.
Welcome to Amerika!
This reminds me of Katrina, when people with their own boats and supplies were turned away trying to get into the city.
It’s become a hallmark of government under the Bush administration — don’t do the things government should do, but also don’t let citizens take over and do them either. It boggled my mind with Katrina, but now I’m thinking it’s to discourage any pesky delusions of active citizenship.
“Ownership society” just means they want us to buy things we can’t afford, not that they want us to own our society.
So, the conservatives are always saying that we shouldn’t let the government do the things that people as a society should be doing, and when volunteers (presumably people who care about the environment)
show up to help and take care of part of the commons — our beaches — they are turned away, presumably because spilled oil is a hazardous substance ( and it is a carcinogen) —Is the government afraid that they might get sued if people develop cancer?
I don’t get it…
I truly am coming to hate this government more and more every day. It’s not the country I grew up in and was once proud of. We need to begin looking at it the same way Thomas Jefferson did in the declaration of Independence. This government no longer serves the people’s interests and should be abolished. It’s time to set up Recall on not only local levels, but a national one. Then again, that assumes we live in a Democracy or even a Republic. USA R.I.P. July 4, 1776 – January 20, 2001.
Fern @ 7
No shit – why are they over-reacting like this? What’s in it, depleted uranium??
“Evidence points to them enjoying suffering…”
Yeah, how about a walk down memory lane for a retrospective look at how many people were executed in Texas by Bush & Gonzo. More people exected under Bush than all other states combined. Babs must have been beaming.
And Cheney – dear God, the man is some sort of evil, sick joke. I grew up around real hunters, and what Cheney calls “hunting” is just a very sick expression of his death lust.
They all have it.
When I was a kid, a dog who had attacked and drawn blood was thought to have gotten a taste for the blood and was put down.
Bush & Co. all have the taste for blood. They get all moist-eyed and excited when they talk about inflicting death, Bush in particular has a really hard time not showing how much he enjoys it when someone else is set to die because of him.
I don’t get it – the GOP has shown itself (yet again today), to be the party of pedophiles, adulterers, drunks, frauds, murderers, war profiteers, embezzlers, liars, cowards and wanna-be dictators. Why are they still in our White House?
They are sick and dangerous and should have been removed years ago. And waiting another year for them to leave voluntarily is obscene.
Selise, MadDog, Saltin – thanks so much. I had horses loose and had to make an emergency detour.
Those aren’t quite the one I was looking for, but they are very helpful (the NPR and the WH Briefing) Selise, it was in December of 05, I’m thinking middle of the month, and if I knew how to search here I’d try her for that time frame bc I’m pretty sure there was a post and link, but I’m not positive. It was one of the first times he was asked and he was a bit less scripted than for the Briefing or NPR, but it was very similar – we didn’t ask Congress bc we didn’t think they’d let us.
Of course, now that Dems are the majority, they will let them.
Glad I worked hard for that one. *sigh*
Thank you very much for the links!
AZ Matt @ 66
Mary @ 133
helps to know when – where every i’m searching. i will see what i can find… and try to give you an algorithim for searching here by month or by day.
1) go to google’s advanced search page:
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en
2) enter your search terms (i’ll use just use “gonzales” to illustrate) in the blue area at the top of the page
3) at the line labeled “domain”, select “only” for:
only return results from the site or domain
4) still on the line labeled “domain” – enter the appropriate domain. here are a couple of examples to illustrate how to do that for fdl (which is organized to make it easy)
to search in the entire month of dec 2005, use the domain:
http://www.firedoglake.com/2005/12/
to search in just the day of dec 15, 2005, use the domain:
http://www.firedoglake.com/2005/12/15
when i search on “gonzales” for the month of dec in 2005 in fdl, i get 8 items returned.
if you don’t want to use the advanced page, you can use this google search in your browser (for the dec month search):
gonzales site:http://www.firedoglake.com/2005/12/
hope that helps.
if i find anything, i’ll post it here. will you do the same – so i know to stop looking if you’ve already found what you’re looking for?
p.s. if you have any questions on the search, post them here – i will check back.
mary – do you think you remember the link you’re looking for in the fdl post or in the comments? the reason i ask is that for some reason, many of the posts are missing their comments. we may have to ask rgb about that.
hmmm… this might be it…. there was a white house briefing on dec 19, 2005, with gonzales and hayden (so a clip could have been shown on cnn).
and to confirm it was not tampered with (whitehouse links are not trustworthy, imo), here’s the fas link:
is this it? if so, do you need the video? or just the transcript.
Teddy says he didn’t attend the informational session yesterday, so he presumably is basing his comments on what was printed in the newspaper. I was there.
The would-be volunteers were not told to go home and do nothing. The forms that were passed out requested contact information and the people were told they would be contacted later. (This was a standard state form that I think was downloaded off the state web site and photocopied which had the loyalty oath on the back.) I in fact received an email on Saturday evening requesting volunteers at the above-mentioned Heron Head Park cleanup.
At the presentation we were told that we would be contacted for further information to determine our “skills set.” It doesn’t take much comprehension to realize if your “skills set” doesn’t involve experience with treating oiled birds they won’t want you near the oiled birds. As mentioned in an above comment, handling the birds requires some specialized training. Without the training you more likely will be expected to do loads of laundry since they use lots and lots of towels. This is still a necessary task, however, and they will need volunteers to do it.
If hordes of volunteers show up on the beaches, any oiled birds that have been beached are likely to be frightened back into the water where they are at risk of drowning since they are in a weakened state.
The toxicity of the oil was strongly emphasized. It can be absorbed through skin, can be inhaled, can be ingested. They don’t want people on the beaches without the haz-mat suits being exposed to the stuff and risking health issues later.
The oil is deemed a hazardous waste which by law must be disposed of in a particular manner. I gotta wonder what the folks out there with their scoops and hefty bags were going to do with the hazardous waste?
Re: the loyalty oath. F&G said everyone that does work for the state has to sign the loyalty oath, whether it is paid work or not. I signed it. I also have signed the non-arbitration clause my physician requires before she agrees to treat me even though I think that stinks. Sometimes you just hold your nose and sign in order to progress.
Funnydiva2002 @ 75
When ships of this size come into the Bay, a special BAY Captain is ferried out to the ship, and brings it in, and takes it out.
The guy at the helm was an experienced BAY Pilot, one of the best in the biz as it was reported somewhere in SF Gate . . . If there are logs of the CB Base saying ‘off course’ but the BAY Captain says ‘instruments look fine’ then the instruments were fucked up to begin with. Simple.
Now this clean up thing, with loyalty oaths, and booting volunteers off the beaches is REAL wierd. From the late 60’s thru ‘74 there were a NUMBER of oil spills and THOUSANDS of volunteers (MANY hi school and college students) turned out to actively help. Activism at its FINEST!!
THAT’S what this Larue suspects . . . too many people volunteering, coming together, activism . . . soon mutterings about Pelosi, Sci-Fi and Boxer an fed cover up’s, what was ON that ship, how’d this happen would become a ‘movement’ . . .
I suspect the fed’s are suppressing the growing of any activist movements as much as possible, with Fish And Game caught in that, and likely also caught in a sitch where there IS a toxic issue we don’t know about, one different perhaps in PAST oil spill volunteer efforts.
earlier question from same briefing:
Well, read thru ALL the comments and there are some really good and well informed one’s . . . I now know more than I did.
And spills in this period of time are handled differently than 30 years ago of course, and this one, #6 Bunker Oil, is more toxic than crude oil or refined oil.
Thanks to all for all the great info.
Hopefully there WON’T be unnecessary confrontation between those who WANT to help, and the various authorities involved in all this.
mary – i found this link to be very helpful.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 80
“I’m Attorney General Jerry Brown,
arresting enviros…coz Arnie’s ’round
Soon he’s gonna be President…
once they revoke the Constitution”
Phoenix Woman @ 108
Jello didn’t live in California when Ronnie was Governor…if he had he would have quickly learned that Jerry Brown was a moonbeam while Reagan was toxic bat’s piss.
These same volunteers would sue the state in a couple years time for exposing them to carcinogenic hazardous material. Welcome to California.
There are several types of crude oil types. One of them is class A. Class A crude oil may be toxic to humans, fish, birds etc…
Would the government be negligent if they allowed people to place themselves into harms way? I believe so and I believe the families of those who pass away (get ill) from “helping” would think so as well.
I would imagine if the person had gone through specific training, had the gear and ability to dispose of the hazardous material it would be OK.
Which brings to mind, what are they (average citizens) doing with the oil once they collect it? Bring it to the gas station? Hmm…
I applaud people for attempting to help, but in this case it would be best to let the “professionals” do the job. If you do want to help check with the local ASPCA and see if they could put you to work.
Volunteerism is a great thing, but we need to make sure that we don’t blindly put ourselves into harms way.
Check it out and Google crude oil when you get a chance, see how dangerous of a substance this is.
Probably (in part) because it is hazardous. (They don’t want lawsuits, yannow.) Well, then — you ask — why don’t they get government officials to do the clean-up? Oh yeah! There aren’t enough anymore! I know! How about the Army and National Guard? Oops! They’re in Iraq.
What a mess Bush and the GOP have made of this country.
What idiot decided to have a little 6 yr old kid do the narrative for this video? COMPLETELY takes away any relevance.
here is a tipof, maybe they are affraid you’ll run off with the oil , or do a check on where the oil came from …
it’s just a godammed piece of paper!
The key to dealing with environmental problems like an oil spill is planning, coordination and effective execution. Say the monks in training clean up the beach by rolling up the oil soaked sand and store it in garbage bags. If the oil floating in the water hasnt been cleaned up, the newly exposed clean sand will now be recontaminated by the oil from the water. Its like washing a car. You clean and rinse from the tom down. If you dont you just dirty up the place you just cleaned.
Also, crude oil has a significant amount of benzene in it. My dad worked in an oil field for 2 summers when he was in college. When he died of AML leukemia the doc said that AML was closely linked to benzene exposure. No one else in my family ever had cancer. Twenty years after the exposure it took him 8 months to die. Thats why the modern method is to let professionals cleanup things like this.
“There’ll ALWAYS be a moon over Ma-r-i-i-i-n-n-n. . .”
–Jello Biafra ‘82
Just another example of how this country is going into the bucket!