
Madame Deborah Howell, Ombudsman to The Washington Post, is undertaking A Study of the paper’s presidential campaign coverage. Her study appears to have been prompted by the recent revelations in a Project for Excellence in Journalism content-analysis study (pdf) released October 29th that shows the media “have offered Americans relatively little information about [the candidates'] records or what they would do if elected.”
Christy well-covered the kind of reporting Americans deserve this morning. I wanted to talk about The Study Deborah is undertaking, and talk about the clues she gave us in this morning’s column about how, exactly, she’ll go about her Studying.
First, Deborah checked in with Executive Editor Leonard Downie to find out what he thinks about the PEJ study. Not much, in case you hadn’t guessed.
The study did not single out any news medium, and Executive Editor Len Downie said he doesn’t think the study’s broad conclusions necessarily apply to The Post because the analysis of The Post was done only every other day, dealt only with front-page stories and took place “well before anyone’s coverage was in high gear.” He also thinks the horse-race complaint is overblown.
Good to know that the Executive Editor has an opinion or two at the ready about the outsider Study, especially if you’re his Ombudsman undertaking your own Study. The Executive Editor’s five complaints about this outsider Study can be summarized as:
1. The outsider Study wasn’t just about newspapers
2. The Post published excellent stories on the other days
3. The Post published excellent stories on the other days, but cleverly placed them inside the paper so as not to disrupt the constant flow of haircut, cleavage, and gender-card-crap stories taking up front-page Post real estate
4. The Post wasn’t really writing much about the campaigns anyway, as they weren’t in high-gear
5. The Post doesn’t write that much about horse-races [Can you say "overblown" to Deb Howell without her running to her fainting couch?]
Not content to simply solicit the prevailing management opinion from the highest levels, Deb also checked in with Bill Hamilton, the Post’s assistant managing editor for politics. He
says that “strategy and tactics are serious subjects to us” and that The Post also plans extensive coverage of the candidates’ backgrounds and issues.
So, what have we so far? The Harvard-sponsored study was wrong on many counts; the idea that the horserace is something only journalists care about might be true, but gee there’s a lot of journalists in DeeCee so that’s important to us; and the paper plans to extensively cover important icky stuff — sometime soon.
And what about those DeeCee egos who need stroking, especially when they are advising a candidate for Preznit, clearly an important inside-the-Beltway role? How will reporters at The Post enjoy themselves at cocktail-weenie shindigs, and ensure they are attended to by the craven consultant class?
Because The Post is “the home-town newspaper of the politics industry, we wanted to focus on the people who are running national campaigns. That was the origin of our Gurus series– to explain the art of politics and the strategic thinking behind each campaign,” Hamilton said.
Egos, stroked. The gurus even get a capital G.
Having gotten guidance from management, executive and line editor, Deb’s puzzled about whether a Study is even necessary. Flitting about the newsroom, trying to decide how to Ombuds this “outsider” study, and hoping there’s Ombudsing to be done, Deb spies a kindred soul: Dean Broderella.
Post columnist and political writer David S. Broder has counseled for decades against too much coverage of consultants. He believes they have an “inordinate amount of influence” on reporters. For instance, Broder said, “Joe Trippi [John Edwards's campaign consultant and one of the featured gurus] is only important to maybe 20 people in the world, but he’s important to reporters.”
Ew, John Edwards.
{Glad we managed to insult someone associated with his campaign. And didn’t he work for that Howard Dean, too?}
Broder is a longtime advocate of coverage that focuses on voters; I am his acolyte on that. “The best tactic is to orient around the voters, not the candidates. If reporters spend enough time with voters, you find out what voters want to know,” he said.
Ew, voters.
That sounds like spending time with readers, advocating for them. Something Madame Howell is entirely unfamiliar with, and intends to remain so.
How, then, to cast her Study, so that it will sound serious, will satisfy management, will appease Broderella (whose acolyte she admits to being, ewww!), but not have too many strictures or time-consuming tasks?
The ombudsman, with readers’ help, will monitor coverage within some qualitative boundaries and common-sense categories that readers and journalists understand. This will be done with transparency as a goal, and I hope to post it in some way on the Web with periodic reports in the paper. The hallmarks will be newsworthiness, fairness and service to voters.
Got it?
Let me translate Deb’s plan for her big Study:
I will read the paper.
I will decide what I think about what’s in the paper.
I will tell you what was in the paper, and what to think about it.
I will dumb it down.
I’m doing The Study with management’s knowledge and approval, and I have their permission and guidance on how to best illuminate their reporters’ excellent work.
I used the word transparency, so the bloggers better leave me the fuck alone.
Maybe they’ll let me post on the Internet again, even after that Abramoff-funded-Democrats fiasco.
Oh, and there will be Hallmarks.
PS The downside of this new Study appears to be that Deborah Howell has obtained an extension on her purported two-year contract, set to end fall 2007.
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I suggest we throw this baby out with her bathwater!
g’evening!
thoid?
Teddy!
dang, there go my hopes her contract would not be re-upped. only an extension but i was so hoping lil debbie would go away.
Hello Teddy. You are THE expert on ‘lil Missy.
as the old joke goes, when you look up “twit” in the dictionary, you see her picture.
Ack! Teh stupid people, they make my brain hurt!
It seems to take so much effort to remain willfully obtuse, seems like it weould be much less taxing to face reality.
Loo Hoo. @ 6
A little like calling someone, “A great dumpster-diver…”
Evening Loo Hoo!
hello, everyone!
i was so hoping she’d be gone, since she told us at the end of the Abramoff clusterfuck in January 2006 that we’d have her to kick around for two more years.
apparently, the WaPo management re-upped. can’t imagine why.
A picture is worth a thousand points.
Bye bye Wile Coyote…
At least she’s not in Kuhl’s ombudsman role for Fallafel O’Really… ;-)
Hey Suzanne, how did the meet-up go? Got pix?
Lovey.
i love it when she sez
it makes me wonder if she’s hired a clever web-based intern
madmommy @ 13
meet up is this coming Saturday, the 17th
Teddy: 2 out of the ball park today.
THANK YOU!
Suzanne @ 16
Silly me, thought it was yesterday. All these meet-ups going on, color me jealous!
TeddySanFran @ 15
yeap, to do all the work that lil deb takes the credit for
Grandma LooHoo, ere.
TeddySanFran @ 10
she knows how to stroke the right egos?
Laura Doty @ 17
You are very welcome! I worried when Christy took up the Lovey cudgel this morning, but then I decided that her point was quite serious. Mine, however, is not.
I just think Deb’s terrible at her job and needs to go.
Teddy, The Dean was taking questions again, today, didja get another screen-grab moment again…? *g*
Balrog @ 20
Ooohhh, the sweet cheeks, the fuzzy little head, so very adorable! Makes me want another one…almost.
Laura Doty @ 1
Downie fresh idea!
selise @ 21
Her columns are paeans to management’s wisdom. If I had a run-of-the-play contract, what I could do with it. She seems to see it as a way to get along with everyone. Too bad, since the Post really needs some serious ombudsing.
Wow I had no idea she was so prim & proper-no wonder she has such distaste for us DFH
madmommy @ 24
Aw crap. That’s a picture of me! I’ll send the baby ones.
Teddy, has lil debbie evah gotten anything right in her tenure at the waapoo?
Good evening dear friends. Hope all are well.
Oh Balrog! what a cutie! *ndfg grits teeth & repeats to self “do not bug daughter about a 2nd grandchild”*
hi betsy
madmommy @ 18
Plan one for the pups in your area, madmommy. It’s great fun!
Hi newtonusr!
Balrog, how’s tricks?
TexBetsy @ 30
Howdy, Ma’am! How’s the Lone Star State…
TexBetsy @ 30
Hi Betsy! I see from last night’s thread that you had a date! I’m jealous, i think. I vaguely recall something called “dating” from years ago.
Loo Hoo. @ 33
There don’t seem to be any nearby, and unfortunately the weekends are not my own lately. If I have an hour to myself on a weekend it is an absoloute miracle!
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 31
Consider that Balrog is 46. These cuties should be my grandchildren.
Note to LooHoo: You are Auntie LooHoo.
LooHoo, saw your pics of the SoCal meetup, thanks! Looks like it was fun.
I am doing well. Just came from a get-together with some girlfriends. Now relaxing. All is good. (And yes, the date was very nice.)
Balrog @ 37
Hubby is 45 and the kiddos are 6 and 4, and there was serious discussion about one more. Sanity prevailed, however.
Balrog @ 20
OMG! He looks like a darling ‘lil mini Balrog. How precious he is! And learning Spanish to boot, I see.
Ain’t it Funny How Time Slips Away?
Loo Hoo. @ 33
Jonesing for an evening at that Sushi joint (Harney) in SD. Tell me that it survived the fires?
CTuttle @ 23
Missed that, was it at WaPo0?
madmommy @ 40
Sanity did NOT prevail in this case. My wife did.
Balrog @ 37
It’s entirely okay, Balrog. One of the kids in my class asked if he could call me grandma. I slapped him silly. **g**
Betsy,
Read the thread this morning about your date, seems like you a nice time. I always hated the whole dating thing, couldn’t imagine doing it again at this point if (heaven forbid) something were to happen to hubby.
Deb’s missed her calling. Belongs among the notables perpetually recycled through investigative commissions.
Hard to believe that they put up with this idiot- but they do.
Loo Hoo. @ 45
You’ll always be my naughty Nanny…
TeddySanFran @ 43
That it was, I caught it last nite, I would’ve let you know…
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 38
To be with actual people (vs. virtual people) that you can discuss the state of America with is so healthy. I know lots of people who are democrats, but they don’t get down and dirty about the realities of our condition. It’s just nice to know there are real people, and really cool people, who are on the same wavelength. Right newtonusr?
Balrog @ 44
As an older parent myself, I don’t know that I could have done it as well in my 20’s. Not that I’m any sort of expert, but I definitely have more patience now. Nevertheless, the munchkin is teh cute!
madmommy @ 46
Like if he had another child at 46. Inconceivable!
madmommy @ 46
Just getting back into the game. Weird stuff. Spent the last half hour wondering if he was going to kiss me and all that.
Merlin’s Beard! Deborah Howell is the real-life twin of Dolores Umbridge, from the last Harry Potter film! Amazing. I wonder what other similarities there are?
rwcole @ 48
OK, no more baby pictures.
Edwards/Obama ‘08. I’m just sayin’
Again, and again, and again….
Hold on, change is comin’….
Balrog @ 42
Completely safe. No worries. And I’ve never had better Sushi in my life. (To think that it took someone from Minnesota to show me the best place in San Diego…)
Glorfindel @ 55
LOL! You are right!
Loo Hoo. @ 51
I certainly agree that it is far better to commune in person, however, the Lake is an awesome resource…
Balrog @ 53
Actually, it was more a financial decision than an age-based one. If we had met and married younger, we probably would have gone for 3 instead of 2. Mainly I felt blessed to have two healthy babies at my advanced age and was afraid to press my luck. Especially with the state of health care in America.
Loo Hoo. @ 51
I agree, and our visit was not just a friendly lunch. There was an intensity and humor that’s lacking in everyday chit-chat.
TexBetsy @ 54
Gawd, sounds like being back in high school. I hated high school.
“They Just Killed A Man And Drove Away”
from Huff Po by The Huffington Post News Editors
An Iraqi taxi driver was shot and killed on Saturday by a guard with DynCorp International, a private security company hired to protect American diplomats here, when a DynCorp convoy rolled past a knot of traffic on an exit ramp in Baghdad, the Iraqi Interior Ministry said Sunday.
Three witnesses said the taxi had posed no threat to the convoy, and one of them, an Iraqi Army sergeant who inspected the car afterward, said it contained no weapons or explosive devices.
MadMommy, how did the Colts just lose? What happened to the Aints?
madmommy @ 61
Agreed. I was 46, Ma was on the short end of 39. We feel lucky and blessed to have a stout young fellow, never mind his need for Where’s Waldo spectacles.
xoxo madmumsy
Me too madmom.
Last night I shipped the teens off. Never could do that with my parents back in the day.
madmommy @ 52
When my last child (daughter) was about 15 I told her that could not go some place or other and she was very upset. Told me that I just didn’t understand because I was so much older than the other mothers. I was 33 when she was born. It’s amazing to find out you are simply not “with it”.
Prairie Sunshine @ 57
Obama want to increase social security taxes. Think that might be a problem?
CTuttle @ 65
Vinateri missed a chipshot field goal that would have put the Colts ahead, then Manning threw an interception.
Evidently the Saints did not decide to actually play freaking football till the 4th quarter. If they’d had a few more minutes they might have been able to pull it off. Still, since the division is so very craptastic, we’re still in the playoff hunt.
A friend of mine is foster-mom to a 16 yr old (and mom to three little ones). She is 26. And she ALSO hears that she’s too old and out of it and doesn’t understand.
I see nothing’s changed at the WaPo. It’s good that some things are constant in this world of mercurial passions about issues, boogeymen, and pop stars. I take comfort in knowing that, come what may, the Post’s ombudsperson will never give a shit what the readers think.
Some things should never change.
Cujo359 @ 72
LOL
Cujo359 @ 72
That seems to have the makings of a great letter to the editor!
FunnyDiva
Balrog @ 66
My little guy was born a few months before my 39th. Look at it this way, they keep you young, and are always entertaining.
TexBetsy @ 71
i believe the qualifier for not being with it as anything associated with the term ‘mom’ and all its variations
however, i found it was a magnificent revenge to be known as the ‘cool mom’ by my girls’ friends.
Loo Hoo. @ 69
proves, to me, that he is an idiot.
TexBetsy @ 67
Smart idea. Imagine bringing home a date with teenagers sizing him up while trying to make small talk.
*shudder*
Monday’s WaPo, page A-01: “I’ll Sell My Soul to the Devil”
Twain @ 68
When I get the “it’s not fair” line, I explain that life is seldom fair, the sooner they learn this and deal with it, the farther they will go in life. They do not appreciate my geriatric mom wisdom.
TeddySanFran @ 79
the fundie faction of the rethugs are not gonna be happy with that
Suzanne @ 76
Suzanne’s kids Mom has got it going on.
Loo Hoo. @ 69
Only if you make more than ~97k a year. The problem is that he is raising the issue at all. That just plays into the hands of the “social security crisis” people.
madmommy @ 70
I concur, a chip-shot! My Broncos won in KC, the AFC West is in the same conundrum… Unfortunately, the Bolt’s victory puts them on top…
madmommy @ 78
First guy I dated post-divorce was actually one of the teen’s youth group leaders, and one of his all-time favorite people. Lousy at the BF thing, but …
madmommy @ 80
i tell my nephews that while life is not fair, it is our job not to contribute to the unfairness – and where we can, we try to make the world more fair… but not just for ourselves.
TBets, your date doesn’t look like this by chance?
Balrog @ 87
Thinner, younger, add a smile.
Balrog @ 87
ah, those aryan ’supermen’ are so virile and golden and mythological…
Suzanne @ 76
Tee Hee! how true. I think by definition one’s own Mom can never be cool. It’s funny tho, as “out of it” as i was, my clothes kept disappearing … i told a friend that the reason so many of us middle-aged women look so frumpy is that if we have something half-way attractive to wear, it is buried somewhere in a daughter’s room and we retain only the dregs in our own closets.
For madmom, balrog, and anyone else done having kids.
TexBetsy @ 88
convicted sex offender is not a trait this single woman finds attractive when looking for a date
Suzanne @ 92
Only married women??????
selise @ 86
Yes of course, that too. The big kid is so empathetic he doesn’t want to tell the teacher or bus driver if a bigger kid is picking on him.
madmommy @ 78
:-)
“So you kids like Herman’s Hermits?”"
TexBetsy @ 91
i’m glad to have moved on to grandchildren. All the love and none of the responsibility!
TexBetsy @ 93
i only vocalize the viewpoint of single woman as i have chosen not to revisit that whole icky married thang
Steve-AR @ 83
yep. he’s running a presidential campaign – that gives him a platform and a voice… which he could use to educate the country about global warming, health care or our wars – and what he wants to do about them.
instead he tells the country that there is a ss crisis when there isn’t one (although we do have a problem balancing our general budget), and he advocates a ss tax increase – which won’t go into any kind of lock box.
stupid and wrong.
This evening’s choices (so far) among the news and blogs.
Iraq news here.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 96
Mine are my mother’s first, and she is certain they are the most fabulous creatures ever conceived, and they can do no wrong. When she was my mom, on the other hand…
madmommy @ 94
hugs to your kids.
i figure what i tell my nephews is more for my benefit than theirs. i think what we do has far more influence… but what do i know? i’m only an auntie.
madmommy @ 100
When she was your mom, she had you 24/7 and all the responsibility.
Selise, aunties are very important.
selise @ 86
Selise, have I ever mentioned that I love ya…
As ClammyC opines…
In the event that somehow you feel that you have no civil liberties when you are dead and you are so afraid of the boogyman that you are all on board with monitoring the sales of falafel to catch Iranian “terrorists” (hint: you have the wrong country), then it shouldn’t matter who is President. The ends justify the means, right? Can’t keep our Commander-in-Chief’s hands tied when it comes to hunting down the enemy and fighting them over there so we don’t have them follow us home, right?
But if the idea of warrantless and illegal spying on your life is something that you don’t want Hillary Clinton (or Barack Obama, John Edwards or any other Democratic candidate) to have the power to do but you are ok with it now – maybe you really aren’t ok with it. If you are afraid that she would abuse this power, then guess what? There is already someone who is abusing this power. A power that nobody should have in the first place.
And if you think that it is ok for one President to have this ability but not another President, then it really isn’t about fighting terrorism, is it?
http://www.boomantribune.com/s…../145417/71
i have a favor to ask… if any of you see mary, will you tell her that i think i found the transcript she was looking for? i left her a bunch of comments starting here.
thanks!
TexBetsy @ 103
aunties are always cool – they have no ‘mom’ association
i bet lil debbie is no one’s auntie
Steve-AR @ 83
I’ve started wondering how smart he is. Seriously. He came to DC so highly touted, it was an invitation to disappointment. His advance billing was sorta like JFK’s the year they tried to nominate him for prex, despite his being too young. Great tv though!
madmommy @ 100
i have no trouble being a hypocrite in this matter *g* (and major geek points to any SciFi fans who recognize the quote)
TexBetsy @ 102
Tis true. She does get updates via phone and email when the little buggers push me to the limit, as well as the highly amusing anecdotes. Unfortunately she only gets to see them a few times a year, so she gets to spoil them horribly when she does.
TexBetsy @ 103
especially cassie’s auntie! *g*
selise @ 98
Obama really worries me. A Dem that want to bring the country together with a political party that advocates a police state, is more than wrong.
The love affair continues….
Hi Jane.
Obama really worries me. A Dem that want to bring the country together with a political party that advocates a police state, is more than wrong.
when they talk about options on the table i wonder if they’re discussing the ‘waterboarding’ table
CTuttle @ 104
Exactly! This is my stock question when confronted with 29%ers who insist things are going swimmingly. When they begin to sputter and stammer, I have my answer, and hopefully they have something to think about.
hi jane
selise @ 101
only an auntie! sheesh. when my kids were troublesome during their teens, or at least unwilling to discuss anything with their mother, they were very close to their aunts and stepmom (all women of excellent sense) and i am forever grateful that i’m not the only caring adult in their lives.
Exactly! This is my stock question when confronted with 29%ers who insist things are going swimmingly. When they begin to sputter and stammer, I have my answer, and hopefully they have something to think about.
when swimminglys sputter…
Jane Hamsher @ 112
Aah, Jane, that is generic…! 8-(
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 118
It’s not a pleasant scene when their heads implode…
are the 29%ers down to 27%ers now?
grain of salt required:
Police: Man Sold Hallucinogens in Candy
FOX News – 33 minutes ago
ATLANTA – A 20-year-old man was arrested for allegedly selling hallucinogenic mushrooms hidden inside chocolate bunnies and ducks and other drugs, authorities said.
Funnydiva2002 @ 74
FunnyD…saw your comment last thread and yes, thank you, I did.
CTuttle @ 120
evil metallic tadpoles from astral zone 9
OT..I know Suz…Jane
How is the anti-Rahm campaign coming?
hi jane (!)
CTuttle @ 120
I always make sure there’s an escape route available in case of something yucky getting on my favorite shirt.
Jane Hamsher @ 112
I know, I’m shameless. Christy’s excellent post this morning didn’t set me back for a minute. I just decided she’d taken another tack, and that Late Nite is a different audience….
1,655 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen TeddySanFran and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Ah Teddy, yer wit and wisdom are jest what the doctor ordered on a Sunday night at the end of history and in the middle of another post-modern football season. We in the Twin Cities area are happy ta be able ta share Little Debby with the rest of you folks out there, since the St. Paul Pioneer market is so small.
JEEzus, our entire system is soooo fucked when folks like Howell are given positions like ombudsman and can’t even pronounce the word…and she’s the best they got!! Oh shit, I jest hope the rest a the world doesn’t get so sick of our shit that they help the Chinese put us outta our misery.
KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE CARE OF THE CHILDREN!!
Police: Man Sold Hallucinogens in Candy
FOX News – 33 minutes ago
ATLANTA – A 20-year-old man was arrested for allegedly selling hallucinogenic mushrooms hidden inside chocolate bunnies and ducks and other drugs, authorities said.
edited version:
a 20-year-old man was arrested for allegedly selling copies of Alduous Huxley’s psychedelic tome ‘Doors of Perception’ hidden inside chocolate bunnies and ducks.
CTuttle @ 104
thanks ct!
that’s sorta the argument i’ve been using when i call the Rs’ offices on the senate judiciary committee. i say that bush is only going to be president for a little more than a year and i don’t want hillary clinton to be able to spy on me and on them.
and then i try to say something about how the R party used to work to protect my rights and i hope they will again soon.
Selise, smart lady!
TeddySanFran @ 79
Not only have they sold their souls, but they’re freaking stupid about it. Does anyone remember Taj Mahal’s song (can’t find it on YouTube :)) about how things looked as a child?
Remember the feeling as a child
When you woke up and morning smiled
It’s time, it’s time, it’s time I felt like that again…
Jane, lovely picture of you at DownWithTyranny!
taj mahal: now there’s an interesting guy.
CTuttle @ 120
Oh, Schadenfreude where is thy sting ?
Anyone want a tuna melt?
Jonathan Weisman chatz at 11am eastern at WaPo0
Howard Kurtz chatz at Noon eastern at WaPo0
The Buddhist concept of mudita, “sympathetic joy” or “happiness in another’s good fortune,” is cited as an example of the opposite of schadenfreude.
wonder how that would work as ‘film noir?’
Mudita: they came to smile!
Monday comes early so it’s off to bed for me. One more week till Thanksgiving vacation!
Goodnight all!
Sleep well madmommy.
Jane Hamsher @ 112
Duh, you and Howie by the looks of it.
Jane and Howie, sittin in a tree. etc.
madmommy @ 140
g’night madmommy, sweet dreams!
The biggest news story here? People still read Deborah Howell’s column!
Frank Probst @ 144
That’s bigger than “Betsy went on a date?!?!?”
Balrog @ 142
My Gf is worried that I am going to dump her for Howie.
Suzanne @ 106
Depends on the Auntie and the relationship. My nieces are the best!
at the mercy of a universe made from the polarity between mudita and schadenfreude, fighting it out in Yin-Yang complementarity.
1) whatever it is, it’s happening to somebody else.
2) we take joy in it.
3) good luck.
Kucinich’s New Playbook for Speaking to the Media
by blitz boy
one of the diaries at daily kos.
shows how brilliantly focused kuchinich really is.
the guy is truly something else.
fantastic diary.
an update … (and thanks for all the love the other night, i don’t want to hijack the thread tonight with sympathy for me/Twitchy/family … i know you Pups care!)
Saw Twitchy tonight when i brought my grandson home from overnight expedition to great-grandma’s. Within five days the tumor has gone from looking like a cranberry tucked in his cheek to size of grape squirreled away.
Part of my sadness about the situation is that my daughter and son-in-law thought that having Twitchy move from my place to their apartment would ease my grandson’s upset when his Daddy had to go back to Bahgdad. They told him the night before S-i-L’s flight left that Kitty could come to stay after Daddy’s flight left … yes, you know what’s coming, “Daddy, you can leave now!” So a week after Daddy leaves and Twitchy moves in, Grandma takes kitty to vet & finds out he has cancer. Grandson tackles & hugs cat, hauls him around, the gentle old guy just purrs. Sigh. Life is what happens when you’ve made other plans. (we’re gonna try IonCleanse detox footbath this week, i’ll keep everyone posted)
(((twitchy)))
((((NDFG grandson Twitchy))))
yellowdog jim @ 148
hey i wonder what ‘muditfreude’ would be?
TexBetsy @ 152
ditto
TeddySanFran @ 128
Now, now, Teddy, give us late niter’s a little credit…
–How candidates would tackle poverty, health care, mental health access, nutrition issues, and race and class, all of which are far-too-often interrelated policy issues.
– Or a multi-faceted review of foreign policy concerns and proactive concepts for improvement for the long-term contrasted against announced military, fiscal/trade policies, and the effects thereof.
– Or contrasting public statements and written positions on rule of law and constitutional concerns against the written laws and aspects of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, historical information and legal precedents.
– Or positions on labor versus corporate interests: things like wages, benefits, retirement concerns, cost-of-living increases, overhead cost concerns.
– Or environmental versus business versus individual interests, and real world science in terms of candidate positions versus junk science or ideological constructs. (That could be a whole series of editorials written by folks on all sides of the issues battling it out in the marketplace of ideas all by itself. Wouldn’t that be enlightening?)
Instead of the Horse-Race, let’s look at their stances…
Dear Mme. Howl,
Please have your “news” paper publish in-depth research on the candidates’ positions on major issues, pointing out in-/consistencies, novelties, lies, hoary hypocrisies, practical effects, costs, and so forth. (We can read about their cleavage or use of ED supplements or what they look like in a bathing suit in the Sun or the Mirror.)
We will then read your “news” paper and probably others and be substantively informed about what these men and women would do if elected and given the reins of power. Then, we’ll vote for the kind of leadership and administration wed most like to have.
Then I’ll go out and have a beer with someone who would enjoy having one with me. Instead of some guy who’d more likely throw me his house keys and scream that he wants his frigging car around. Thank you.
TexBetsy @ 54
I guarantee that he spent the last 45 minutes wondering whether you expected him to try and wondering what you would do if he did try. ;-)
TexBetsy @ 137
YES!
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 153
joy in whatever happens to someone else?
mrs says i must sleep now.
later
night jim.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 150
The rewarding thing about living with cats is that they decide to love you (or not). Twitchy sounds like a wonderful cat.
Her visage bears a peculiar resemblance to how I picture that evil fascist Harry Potter character, Dolores Umbridge.
yellowdog jim @ 159
Nothing like hedging your bets. Goodnight, jim.
yellowdog jim @ 160
Dang. Wish I had that kind of power over someone! *g*
Cujo359 @ 162
Heh, as my meow-meow, is mauling me, I’m watching a PBS episode about rabies being in a cheetah that bit a photographer…
Loo Hoo. @ 165
whereas i am just thankful that no one has that kinda power over me
CTuttle @ 155
Exactly..I have been looking at voting records, voting scores by business and labor and position statements over the past eight years. So far there is essentially no difference among the “top three”. The issue where Obama is different is the idea that he can bring the country together and work with Republicans such as his good friend Tom Coburn.
Suzanne @ 167
AMEN!
TeddySanFran @ 73
You’re exactly right about Ms. Howell — she doesn’t care what readers think. Where you are wrong is in believing that she should care.
She doesn’t have to care. The Post’s circulation may be shrinking, but it’s not shrinking faster than (and may in fact be shrinking slower than) newspapers generally. The average Post reader has nowhere else to go (c’mon, do you really think the WaTimes is a viable alternative?).
More to the point, the shareholders probably don’t care very much. Just for grins, a little earlier this evening I took a look at the Washington Post Company’s SEC Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, which was filed last Tuesday. The rest of the company is doing just fine, thanks. Kaplan, which is the biggest operating segment, is going great guns; the broadcast and cable television segments are doing extremely well. Even Newsweek is doing OK. The newspaper is a huge drag on the company, and if the company weren’t controlled by the founding family the newspaper would surely be sold if a chump could be found to buy it.
Suzanne @ 167
Yes. I wonder why there are so many single women the campaigns are looking to woo.
CTuttle @ 166
Or how about the wlld life spec*alist at the Grand Canyon who died from Bubonic Plague that he caught from a dead mountain lion.
*edited for filters
Yes. I wonder why there are so many single women the campaigns are looking to woo.
Loo Hoo.
I can think of two
how about you?
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 172
okay that’s just a dumb rhyming game. i think i’m so tired it’s time to hit the hay.
g’nite mabel
Interesting, Burns.
CTuttle @ 166
Last week, the Nature program was on wolves in Yellowstone. My dogs did not take their eyes off the tv for the entire hour. Tonight? Cheetahs? even those with rabies? not even a blink in the tv direction…
Twain @ 68
I understand how she felt, because my parents were in their forties when I was born. And I understand how you felt because my last child was born when I was in my late 30s. I’m not “with it” either.
night wig shack
Margot @ 178
On the other end, it’s my adult friends who are surprised that I have all the IM programs, know how to text message, have a facebook account and stay up surfing the net until 1 AM.
Way OT
Selise, Even though it’s soooo last week, want you to know I’ve come around to your way of thinking about the Phelps case. Didn’t know all of the facts.
Loathsome as they are, 1,000 feet away, down a hill at the back of the building, on public property and unseen to those at the funeral seems a more than fair protest distance. Particularly in light of the numerous communities that have banned protests at funerals setting 100ft limits. I also didn’t know the plaintiff never saw the signs until later on tv and that other courts had not permitted such suits to go forward.
Betcha this one will be set aside, or at least the damages drastically reduced. I have no sympathy for the defendants and hope this stops em (financially or otherwise).
We sure don’t need anything supporting “free speech zones” invisible to the issue at hand.
Old Coastie has some beautiful doggies. Can you show them, OC?
{{{{{{ firepups }}}}}}}}}} teh kitties rule, don’t they. One of these days i’ll link some pics of the rest of the gang. The others aren’t kid-friendly, disappear the moment the grandson appears at door. He has occasionally seen tails disappearing down the basement stairs so he knows i’m not making up kitty stories.
umm, well, here’s a pic of my favorite of my sister’s cats, Orca
CTuttle @ 12
Dang, I don’t know how I confused Kuhl with Dhue, My bad… Check this out:
O’REILLY: First of all, there’s a couple of things going on with “The Dhue Point” everybody should know, because we depend on your questions to Laurie. No. 1, there are pinheads who want you to try to embarrass me. Those people come from the far-left precincts. Ignore them.
DHUE: Yeah. I’m getting an awful lot of email saying I’m too easy on you.
O’REILLY: It’s all coming — it’s all coming from the haters on the far left. Just throw it in the garbage. But the regular folks who really enjoy this program, what we want you to ask Laurie is why we do things, why we do them. All right? Or “we didn’t really like that.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…../#comments
Loo Hoo. @ 182
erm, I’ll have to set up a photobucket account… soon, but not tonight.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 183
OMG! He sports a beautiful mustache.
TexBetsy @ 180
my youngest daughter’s friends thought it was hilarious when i spoof-rapped like SnoopDogg, my daughter died of embarassment. Some thought it utterly cool that i had the biggest SciFi book collection they’d ever seen including huge StarWars section (ndfg blushes madly), both daughters knew it was proof of their mother being utterly a dork, geek, and dweeb.
SunnyNobility @ 181
Mark Graber had a very thoughtful post on this subject at Balkinization about a week ago, that caused me to re-think my position.
http://balkin.blogspot.com/200…..e-law.html
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 187
Ma’am, ya just know I will defend ya, I probably vie for the Sci-Fi title… *g*
ndfg, yes, but what about what you wore? Did you embarrass your kids enough? What you said must have humiliated them to the Nth, and did you say it too loudly or quietly?
earlofhuntingdon @ 156
LOL
Loo Hoo, I have a pair of red sneakers that my son find completely embarrassing.
CTuttle @ 189
thanks! (ndfg pauses, brightens) hey! any good new titles to recommend? sigh, such a lot of crapola out there, & i just can’t stomach much fantasy tho i was a major LOTR geek.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 193
Honestly, its pretty sparse on the Sci-fi scene…
burnspbesq @ 170
Yes, but you’re forgetting that bit of financial advice about how to win big in the marketplace – don’t go along with the crowd. Near as I can tell, all the big news conglomerates think the same way, except maybe for McClatchy (I’m just not sure about them). So maybe if the WaPo actually bucked the trend, and actually did offer and informative and relevant product, their fortunes would buck the trend, too?
Just sayin’ …
TexBetsy @ 192
Ask him if he wants to borrow them. That’s what I always do!!
TexBetsy @ 192
jen, the lovely bride to be, has informed me that if i show up at the wedding with tie dye on, she has already assigned kelly the bridesmaid to take me on a quick trip to macy’s (located a few blocks down the street).
i spose at some point after the ceremony, i’ll have to let her know that i’ve got tie dye undies
Evening, all! How funny, are you guys competing for the dorkiest adult awards? :-)
Knew there was a reason I liked the lake…
Loo Hoo. @ 196
His feet are about three inches longer than mine!
Loo Hoo. @ 133
Take A Giant Step, album of the same name . . . one of my all time favs. Still. *G*
burnspbesq @ 170
More on the Graham holdings, on the occasion last week of Donnie’s separation from his wife:
Loo Hoo. @ 190
Don’t get me started on the mothers in OC who seem to feel obligated to dress like they’re still trying to sleep with the quarterback.
Moms should not be permitted to wear anything purchased at Abercrombie, Hollister, Aeropostale, or H&M. Or Wet Seal. Especially Wet Seal.
Suzanne @ 197
perfect!
Suzanne @ 197
Heh, true to form… ;-)
Hey Teddy, I took my dark mood to bed and missed your reply, but thanks for the link to the DCCC strike site. I saw it this morning. Every time they call I give them five minutes of what a waste of skin Rahm Emanuel is and they aren’t going to get a dime out of me, and they just keep calling back. They must love it.
Went to hear Joe Biden tonight in Osage, Iowa. He is incredible. I wish I could sit him down on FDL and let him talk about the things he talks about in small Iowa towns. No soaring rhetoric, no stump speech, just straight talk and answered questions. He just blows me away. I know that isn’t particularly erudite, but it’s real.
Suzanne @ 197
Brilliant plan! And if there’s an after party…Jenny bar the door!
burnspbesq @ 202
hot topic?
Loo Hoo. @ 190
the oldest was pretty hard to faze, but the youngest was so easy. The day i modeled a cartridge filter mask in front of her friends (looks like old-fashioned gas mask) that my doc requested i wear when doing yard work in fall … the mask, $35.00, the look of horror on my youngest’s face as she said, “when you wear that outside, let me know so i can be at my dad’s several counties away!” … priceless.
burnspbesq @ 202
Bigger problem (same families?) is the 6 yr old girls dressed like HS seniors.
CTuttle @ 194
No kidding. Are you a Bujold fan?
Okay folks, can people tell me what is John Edwards current position on Palestine?
On Israel’s attacks on Lebanon, Gaza and continuing occupation of the West Bank?
On attacking Iran if they try and develop nuclear technology?
Whether he will pull all troops out of Iraq, or continue to use troops in as strike forces there? Will he keep large numbers of troops, bases and ships in the region prepared to attack Iran?
I’m just a little puzzled since he made this speech before the Herzliya Conference really doesn’t distinguish him much from any of the other candidates he is criticising for “beating the drums of war”….or sanctioning the Bush-Cheney regime to attack Iran.
I constantly see people here support Edwards as a “an anti-war candidate” and a progressive on foreign policy. Yet when it comes to Israel and Iran he seems to be a “hawk”….that fails to see that his own vote to support giving War Powers to Bush was based on this same twisted rationale.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10399
peanutbutter @ 198
Hello, PB!
cinnamonape @ 211
what does his website offer on these topics?
Suzanne @ 197
my oldest daughter’s friends thought i was cool because i let the oldest tie-dye ALL my underwear for practice
peanutbutter @ 198
`~) got a story to tell?
I get to be an AM Talk Radio host tomorrow for the first time in my life. I’m just a replacement, but it’s pretty scary, pups.
burnspbesq @ 202
Sad that some of them want to, huh? Is being an adolescent once enough? HALLO.
Burns, thanks.
I’ll check it out.
Ed*ard Teller @ 216
oh et, you are such a renaissance man, you will be wonderful at it – you would not have been asked if they did not think you would be great at it.
Cujo359 @ 195
Fair point. What I would remind you in response is that the kind of reporting that is being advocated here costs money. Non-trivial amounts of money. And for newspapers in general, large piles of money are not sitting around begging to be invested in expanded political reporting.
I would be willing to bet that the WaPo’s two biggest advertisers are Long & Foster and Weichert, the two dominant residential real estate brokers in the Washington metro area. Next would be the big car dealers. If we go into a recession, purchases of housing and consumer durables will be the first things to fall off the table, and newspaper advertising by real estate brokers and car dealers will fall off precipitously.
I am completely on your side in wanting the media to get serious, but I don’t know how to make the economics work, and if the economics don’t work, it ain’t happening.
who gets the day off tomorrow?
not i
Loo Hoo. @ 212
Hello, hello! How goes it?
Susan in Iowa @ 204
Hi Susan!
The WaPo coverage of the Big Iowa Dinner was particularly pedestrian, authored as it was by Dan (don’t make fun of my last name) Balz and Shailagh (The Devil) Murray):
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It’s all aiming, fighting, targeting, pointed, forceful, at it again. Stupid elementary school words without much about what was actually said, or why.
tex, i have every day off (ducking)
Suzanne @ 206
forever 21?
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 208
That is funny! Typical, but funny. Why is it I have some acquaintances who have never had the slightest ever problem with their children? The perfect people.
ET! And there’s a stream!
Hi PB!
Ed*ard Teller @ 216
Ah, Carpe Diem… C’mon ET, You’ll do us proud… *g*
Suzanne @ 224
assume you’re on duty baby-sitting this crowd though
TexBetsy @ 221
I do, but I didn’t even realize it was a holiday & a day off until Friday o.O Been buried in everything I guess. So an unexpected free day, I’ll be enjoying it.
Hi everyone…just came in from a lovely dinner at Lola’s in downtown Seattle..
Lola’s
Have pictures of the Seattle pup meetup on my facebook page
Oh, good, Ed*, you’re here.
Link to WaPo’s page one Alaska coverage.
Loo Hoo, they’re LYING!
Suzanne – re #213,
None of the Democratic presidential contenders sites or policy statements offer any helpful information on this subject. None of their sites mention “Palestinian” in a sentence or phrase independent of a direct link to an effusive statement of full support of ALL Israeli policies. Regarding Iran, only Kucenich and Gravel are openly critical of any move against Iran.
newtonusr @ 227
*waves* Hi!
TexBetsy @ 229
A mighty tall order… *g*
Ed*ard Teller @ 216
Hey! You’re a leader in the Pack ‘o Pups. Firepups can do anything! I, for one, have utmost confidence in your ability.
Suzanne @ 197
Your mother-of-the-bride dress is on the cover of the current issue of Glamour. I’m sure you’ll look just as good in it as Jennifer Garner.
ET, you’ll be great!
Ed*ard Teller @ 216
How exciting, ET!!! Don’t worry. You know your facts, and just need to present them properly. Maybe have a bullet point list of things you don’t want to forget to say and check them off? Be yourself. You are a good man and you speak for so many of us.
Will you have an audio link to share?
Ed*ard, will it be streamed online anywhere that we ppups could listen?
all right pretty puppies, LooHoo…
burns – did you get your email list? I’m thinking I might have messed up your address…
hey, pb…
gotta link to that girlie magazine, burns? glamour huh?
Hi ET, congrats on the radio show! What time is it there now so I can figure out what time to listen.
Also, corned moose? What’s moose taste like?
katymine, those are great pics!
TexBetsy @ 221
sigh, no work available for me. May check out prospects in Bay Area after War on Christmas if nothing opens up in Minn. I may have to emigrate to India, that’s where all the graphic arts jobs are going.
TeddySanFran @ 224
Hot Topic, fer shure.
Forever 21, I’m not that familiar with. However, what I can see from the doorway of the Fashion Island store would probably also make the restricted list.
TexBetsy @ 229
i said day – i did not mention my nights (grinning)
like trying to nail jello to a tree with a spiked heels
TexBetsy @ 233
yes, they lie most vilely.
persiflage @ 244
9:30 p.m. yikes! – the pressure builds.
persiflage @ 244
Venison! What’s Wallaby taste like? *g*
New thread: Sunday Late Late Nite: Remember My Forgotten Man
late-late upstairs, pb got the zeddy :-(
CTuttle @ 251
Wallaby tastes like kangaroo.
Steve-AR @ 83
I personally don’t see THAT…because we do need to be dealing with SS long before it does reach a crisis status. Every President and Congress that delays the realization that it will become insolvent in 30-40 years makes the problem even more irresolvable for future politicians. Now some relatively small fixes can extend solvency for much longer periods and with less pain. That can be done in several ways, raising the exemption level, adding a year or two to the retirement age (provided older workers are not discriminated against), etc.
But drastic fixes like eliminating the system for younger workers (essentially cutting off benefits to them for their current investment) and throwing them into a system of “private accounts” managed by the same folks that gave us the Sub-prime Mortgage disaster is sheer lunacy. It’s simply a means of generating vast wealth for those wealthy enough to have massive stock market accounts NOW. Those individuals will become vastly more wealthy with the influx of workers $$$ into mandatory private accounts. And the Republicans never mention that their plans will remove the employer contribution mandated in SSI. This is a huge tax cut for businesses.
SSI and Medicare are safety nets…if you want to gamble on the stock market with your salaries nothing prevents that. In addition one can supplement ones SSI payments with 401K and other retirement plans. Nothing is stopping people from doing that. And it doesn’t have the impact of flooding the market with vast amounts that basically result in a Ponzi-scheme situation down the road.
Loo Hoo. @ 171
That’s a great point.
newness
Teddy, we watched on CSPAN. My kid was there. I thought Obama was best speech, with Biden and Dodd both good. Clinton, Edwards and Richardson were forgettable. I sometimes wonder what the reportage would be if we didn’t let Balz and the Devil know who was speaking and just asked them to report on the content and delivery. The Very Serious Reporters are so mesmerized by frontrunner status, which they help to create.
Iowa really is a wild card, because of the disproportionate impact of rural counties, and the importance of campaigning on the ground. The coverage this weekend about Clinton’s campaign planting questions, after all that kerfuffle with the guy in New Hampton she accused of being a plant, is directly opposite to the storyline you want here. I am prepared to be surprised on caucus night. Balz, not so much. He’ll be in somebody’s Des Moines headquarters.
Suzanne @ 213
Same stuff. Leaving a brigade in Iraq to protect reconstruction workers and US assets like the embassy (though he says he will withdraw all combat brigades) but then he’ll place the Strike Battalions just across the border to deal with Al Qaeda and sectarian conflict. That sounds like they will return, and likely have to establish new bases in Iraq to succeed in these missions.
He says that he will be aggressive with Iran. A while he will “engage” Iran…he will only do so with people “who have met a number of criteria, such as recognition of the international rule of law, recognition of the rights of Jews and the state of Israel, and a commitment to the promise of diplomacy.”
He asserts that all our allies share out goal of preventing Iran from having nuclear technology. Last I heard most European States as well as China and Russia don’t have any issues with Iran having nuclear technology for Civilian Usage. They just wish for it to be constrained TO Civilian Use. Edwards seems to be ignorant of the actual “international rule of law” that relates to the Non-Proliferation Treaty allowing civilan usages (under supervision of the IAEA), and requiring those with nuclear technology to share with other signatories that knowledge. Israel isn’t even a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
And nothing in the “international rule of law” allows “preemptive strikes” on sites that aren’t an immediate threat. Yet Edwards, like Clinton and the Republican candidates, refuses to “take anything off the table”. That would include a pre-emptive nuclear strike. And then there are those planned Kuwaiti bases. Is Edwards even aware that Kuwait has a 40% Shiite population or that Kuwait might not want the basesif he continues to hawk “aggressive engagement” with Iran?
Admittedly, despite his Herzliya speech he has recently suggested a much more moderate approach, taking “preemptive war” off the table. But he hasn’t stated clearly that he will not require the ridiculous preconditions that he has made elsewhere on his website. Still he seems to have made a significant policy change in the last few days
http://johnedwards.com/issues/…..-for-iran/
Still it seems that Edwards is the one who is averse to the “promise of diplomacy” by establishing a set of preconditions that includes issues that are totally unrelated to the issue of Irans use of nuclear technology….and are unlikely to assist in resolving the issue. It will simply make the Iranians say that Israel is in violation of all these international treaties and stipulate that their recognition is requisite on Israel giving up their nukes and leaving the occupied territories.
His approach is a no-gainer, and only pushes the rhetoric up a notch. In fact, it’s he US and the European powers that benefit from only having minimal preconditions (working within the terms of the Non-Proliferation Treaty) with Iran. Iran has always said that they are only ntent on gaining nuclear generated electric power. So with inspections and the right technology they can achieve this without establishing a heightened risk of nuclear proliferation.
I can’t find any statement besides his Herzliya Conference speech (where he even called Sharon “courageous”) regarding Israeli-Palestinian, or Israeli-Lebanese, or Israeli-Syrian issues. Here it seems that Israel can do no wrong and the Palesians and other players are always in the wrong. He places all the burden for change on the non-Israeli actors in the region.
Susan in Iowa @ 258
Susan…since you are there…have you heard of any other campaigns encouraging their staff or people who are already committed being askedvto present questions? Or given Q&A policy sheets right before these open chat sessions? Do you know if people associated with campaigns have gone over to the other candidates Town Hall’s and posed questions?
It just sees that this is Standard Operating Procedure. People committed to one candidate will attempt to flummox other candidates by asking a “hard question”, or make their own candidate sound good by asking a policy question that relates to an area that they are already knowlegeable about, but want to emphasise.
SunnyNobility @ 181
sunny – many thanks for the added info and details.
christ that is funny!
Cinnamonape@260
I have not seen that at any event. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. It is more likely at a big event, I think. At the small ones, it is obvious who people are if you’re from the area. People who aren’t local would stick out like a sore thumb.
I am not surprised that this report came out of the Clinton campaign. Her events are incredibly scripted and staged, every detail of lighting, sound, and setup attended to. You have to run a gauntlet of staffers just to get in, all trying to get you to “sign in” on supporter sheets and slap a sticker on you. Last night there was a multi-candidate event where the organizers had to chase the Clinton people away from the door because they were trying to get everyone who came in to “sign in.” It’s just the typical aggressive stuff I’ve seen from her campaign since the summer.
So, am I surprised that they plant questions, too? No. It’s telling that she accused that guy in New Hampton of being a plant. My reaction at the time was “say, what”? Everybody asks tough questions in Iowa. Now it seems there is a reason why her mind would go there.
Debbie’s going to take the “We wuz wit you, boss — at Rigolettos” defense.
A sham of a sham. Same old, same old.
anyone that still wears a doily in this day and age is no longer qualified to analyze anything but the past