Our pal Deb Howell announced that she’s going to look in depth at the WaPo’s political coverage of the Presidential race:
A perennial complaint is that the media cover politics too much as a horse race instead of reporting more on the candidates’ backgrounds, where they stand on issues and how they would lead the nation. But is it true? I intend to find out — at least at The Post — and report back to readers.
Why was she prompted to make such a public declaration of actually giving a crap about the Post’s political reporting? Because of a very pointed report issued by Harvard’s Shorenstein Center for Politics, Policy and Media. To wit (PDF):
Most citizens, whether they are following the campaign closely or not, have some clear ideas of the kind of coverage they prefer. In a new poll produced for this report by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, nearly eight-in-ten Americans (77%) say they want more coverage of “the candidates’ positions on issues” than they are getting. Just 17% say they want less coverage of candidates’ positions.
Smaller majorities also said they want to see more stories about second-tier candidates (55%), about debates (57%) and about sources of campaign money (55%). And another 55% was interested in more coverage of the personal backgrounds and experiences of the candidates….
In other words, the public (as in people who purchase newspapers) would like more substantive and useful information and comparisons of the candidates position on real issues — and less manufactured fluff and nonsense. What was the response of the WaPo’s political editor — which I think is indicative of far too many editors across the newspaper and television spectrum?
The study did not single out any news medium, and Executive Editor Len Downie said he doesn’t think the study’s broad conclusions necessarily apply to The Post because the analysis was done every other day rather than daily, dealt only with front-page stories and took place “well before anyone’s coverage was in high gear.” He also thinks the horse-race complaint is overblown.
Inside the Beltway, the horse race questions are rampant. Why? Because that’s an easy shorthand in a political season that seems to be without end at this point. Being honest and saying “no one can really predict anything this far out” isn’t something that any self-respecting pundit is willing to say out loud on air or in print, even if it is the god’s honest truth. So they recite meaningless numbers instead to fill the void.
What would be more helpful for all of us is for the reporters to dig in and do the work on all of the various positions taken by all the candidates in all the public speeches, position papers, debate statements, written articles and books, legislative history, assorted positions of the various advisors and unofficial advisors, and so on and so forth. In other words, to dig in and do the hard work of reading from the original source material instead of pulling things together from the blast fax political oppo crap.
Imagine knowing candidate positions with comparisons and in-depth review of:
–How candidates would tackle poverty, health care, mental health access, nutrition issues, and race and class, all of which are far-too-often interrelated policy issues.
– Or a multi-faceted review of foreign policy concerns and proactive concepts for improvement for the long-term contrasted against announced military, fiscal/trade policies, and the effects thereof.
– Or contrasting public statements and written positions on rule of law and constitutional concerns against the written laws and aspects of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, historical information and legal precedents.
– Or positions on labor versus corporate interests: things like wages, benefits, retirement concerns, cost-of-living increases, overhead cost concerns.
– Or environmental versus business versus individual interests, and real world science in terms of candidate positions versus junk science or ideological constructs. (That could be a whole series of editorials written by folks on all sides of the issues battling it out in the marketplace of ideas all by itself. Wouldn’t that be enlightening?)
Isn’t this just the sort of information that you would love to have at your fingertips? Isn’t it the sort of information you SHOULD have to cast your vote rather than just based on slogans and feelings about “who would be best to have a beer with?”
Repeat after me: more substance, less fluff. And then do yourself a favor, and read this from Digby and this from Jamo at Media Matters to see why I’m not exactly holding my breath…
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What I want is for the candidates to tell the truth.
I think the public is beginning to fear the prospect of nine dreadful months of Hillary v Rudy.
EPU’D — How to help a vet.
From Juan Cole today:
THE BEST WAY TO SUPPORT A VET: GIVE TO A HOMELESS SHELTER.
http://www.juancole.com/
Ironically, among the best things you can do to support the veterans is to give regularly to your local homeless shelter. (We should all be doing that anyway, since it is not a cause that is easy to raise money for, and government has tended to fall down on the job in this regard. One third of the homeless are families with children. You can easily find out which is the major local homeless shelter in your area.)
It is no surprise, then, that 200,000 veterans have been homeless at some point in the past year, and that veterans make up 26% of the homeless, even though they are only 11% of the population. Experts fear that many Iraq and Afghanistan vets will also end up homeless. The homelessness seems to me obviously an outgrowth of PTSD (which can lead to alcoholism and to the break-up of families, and generally to a reduction in emotional and kin support for an individual who seems habitually angry, distant, and acting a bit oddly). The article says,
‘ Younger veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan are trickling into shelters and soup kitchens seeking services, treatment or help with finding a job. Some advocates say the early presence of veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan at shelters does not bode well for the future. It took roughly a decade for the lives of Vietnam veterans to unravel to the point that they started showing up among the homeless. Advocates worry that intense and repeated deployments leave newer veterans particularly vulnerable. “We’re going to be having a tsunami of them eventually because the mental-health toll from this war is enormous,” said Daniel Tooth, director of veterans affairs for Lancaster County, Pa.’
Ugh. The so-called ombudsman, aroused from her somnambulistic torpor, spouting words in order to appear relevant, fails.
I only want Politics-Lite, that’s why I read the WaPo. *g*
Hey, a year from now they can start the horse-race stories on 2012.
jiminy crickets, FDL brings more information to political discourse than the whole msm complex!
Off Subject
I would like the Naomi Wolf link for the money she’s raising.
Thanks in Advance
jo6pac
Personally, I think the coverage has been so lacking in the issues that really matter to me. The candidates hairstyles, for instance. Why won’t anybody tell what Clinton or Obama pay for their stylish cuts?
I really hope we’re over the ‘wanna have beer with the guy’ method of choosing a president but somehow I doubt it.
There was a ton of info on W’s record as a governor. Education, environment, etc. No one cared. Now you could say, ‘he didn’t win’ but the truth is, given his disasterous record, it was far too close a race than it should have been in the first place. Which is what lead to his Supreme Court appointment.
My rage has shifted from the Republicans (who just seem pathetic now) to the Dems who are acting more and more like Repubs.
I’ll say one thing. I will not get sucked into voting for a dem candidate just cause they’re a dem. I learned my lesson with Kerry. I never liked him but I was one of the faithful base so I ‘did the right thing.’ I’ll never make THAT mistake again.
Dear Lil Debbie:
There’s an innovative way to find out if the WaPo has too much horse-race coverage. It’s called ‘reading the paper’.
There’s a way to gauge your readers’ response to this. It’s called ‘checking your ombuds-email.’
It’s not friggin’ rocket science.
Impeachment Happens @ 10
If Debbiecakes wants to do some worthwhile analysis, she might ask the following questions:
* does the nature of campaign assignments lead, consciously or not, to celebrity-level coverage?
* are editors demanding ‘light and fluffy’ stories?
* does being ‘on the bus’ limit reporters’ capacity to get off the treadmill of daily press releases and BS news-cycle pieces?
* is too much attention given to inside-the-Beltway agenda-setters?
In short: is there a structural problem with the reporting of the presidential campaigns which translates into an editorial problem?
It is disgusting. I watch Tweetie’s “Softball” Show and it’s all Hilary all the time. And it’s all Hilary and the HORSE RACE all the time. THE POLLS every show all show.
And, accy to Tweetie, no one stands a chance to beat Rudy except Hilary. Edwards? Who’s he? Barely gets mentioned.
Is it no wonder the powers that be are the most afraid of Edwards? He’s the most likely to really beat on the corporate interests, health care, pharma, etc.
Hilary is the big money corporate client and Rudy has hired all the NeoCons who got us into Iraq so is it any wonder the MSM is rooting for them? It’s pretty obvious.
Can you say “four more years?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy8j8gAXRAg
I want to know if I can have a beer with the candidate. Especially if he’s a cocaine abusing,dry drunken asshole who can’t hold his liquor. Oh, and not knowing squat about how to run an outhouse, let alone a large country, would also be helpful.
Impeachment Happens @ 10
What kind of beer does each candidate prefer? That’s just the kind of knowledge the American people need to make an informed decision!
Willard “Ball-glove” Romney can’t be President, then. Mormons can’t drink beer. Unless, perhaps, he’s flippy-flopped his position on that as well.
dumbya @ 3
In all seriousness, I really wish this piece by Cole would recieve wider attention for Veterans day.
Displacing the traditional media as the source to go is part of the marathon in taking back our country. I know it’s frustrating, but isn’t the country, freedom and the rule of law worth fighting for?
When I talk to people I encourage them to read blogs. I point out the media consolidation, the narrow points of views expressed, and how the press sold out the country in the run up to the war. I encouragae people to read all the points of views when searching out blogs so they can see a variety of points of view.
My hope in doing this is get them off the addiction of the kool aid that the traditional media pimps for their cocktail weenies.
Is there any way to find out what the wapo pays howell to hit the delete key for her in-box on an hourly basis?
Obama gave a spectacular speech at the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner in Des Moines last night. He set the crowd on fire. There are signs he might be reigniting.
old gold at 19 — Can you give more details on that? I’d be interested to hear about it, if you were there…
OT: Wasserman-Schultz Poo Poos Cheney Impeachment
Here’s an important exchange to listen to between the two Schultz’s, Ed and Debbie Wasserman:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._1109.html
I don’t buy her arguments against impeachment, which are:
1) Americans didn’t vote in Dems in 2006 to impeach Cheney.
(Well, we voted Dems in to protect and defend the Constitution and provide accountability to the Executive branch. If this means an impeachment process, so be it.)
2) Impeachment would tie up Congress and nothing else would get accomplished in the next 12 months.
(The impeachment process could be done in less than 2 months).
3) Impeachment would be used by Republicans for political advantage.
(When you are pointing out all of the wrongdoing done by Republicans, how is that advantageous to them and why didn’t they do it themselves when they were in power if it’s so great for them?)
4) Dems need to accomplish things on other important priorities like healthcare, stopping torture and FISA in the next 12 months and impeachment would take away from those goals.
(Not with Bush vetoing everything you pass over the next 12 months).
These arguments she makes are not even logical.
- Tom
old gold @ 19
Yes, but what kind of beer was he drinking at the dinner? It’s important that we be able to drink a beer with our Presidents. Thay’s more important than, you know, skills.
TomR — People have been spamming that in the comments the last few days. We’ve all seen it several times over. Thanks. And if this seems snippy, it’s only because I’ve seen this very same cut and paste in our comments for the last few days…and seeing the same thing over and over and over, be it short or long, gets really, really old after a while.
Howell is worthless – except as a prime example of how shoddy the MSM does their work these days.
I stopped my subscription to the WaPo Weekly several years ago and only read Toles’ cartoons on a regular basis. He is a worthy successor to HBLOCK.
cleter — There is some argument that Mormons can drink the non-alcoholic types of beer. Kaliber, anyone? *g*
old gold @ 19
Was this the speech?
Why am I even listening to Dickhead Armitage on Wolfie?
kdh22 — To see if he’s asked about his leaking problem?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
He was…sort of, but because he’s a coward, he had to invoke his fellow coward, Novakula, in order for a little cover. Jeesh!
I am not holding my breath, waiting for the WaPo to do the right thing. A once important newspaper has been gutted…it is really amazing. I guess the blogs are the “broadsides” of days gone by.
pseudonymous in nc @ 11
It’s purely a management problem. Not an editorial problem, not a reporter problem.
If management wasn’t OWNED by certain interests and driven instead by the need to provide the truth to the public, you would NOT see the gross failure of editorial staff or the appalling reporting. Real and truly good management would have sacked a lot of editors and reporters a long time ago.
And Lil’ Debbie isn’t about to bite the hand that feeds her.
I had dinner with my brother last night. He’s a independent, moderate and leans Democratic. He said the Dems are losing him because of their lack of action. And he said he’d vote for Rudi over Hilliary.
He doesn’t read the blogs, and he had no idea about Howard Dean’s 50 state strategy, or about the movement to find new and better democrats. He had no idea about the strategy to have primary challenges to the entrenched and self-important who are oblivious to the concept of “for the people by the people.”
He was impressed by all this. This is why I encourage people to read the blogs. I’m trying to reel him back from the edge.
Never going to happen.
Reporting trivia is an (almost) invisible political decision toremove “issues” from political discussion, and confiene it as much as possible to restaurant tips, hairstyle, flag pins, boinking, and so on.
Were the media to concentrate on real issues, it would deprive them of a potent weapon to influence politics. An influence they can apply without spending too much credibility capital.
Why would the corporate political media allow a substantive discussion of health care, the economy, who benefits from the Iraq invasion, etc, beyond the perfunctory?
Not going to happen.
TomR @ 21
she needs to pull her head outta her caucus and look around :/
Yeah…then all those who write about Hillary’s bosom, cackle, hand clapping, Edward’s haircut, Obama’s name will find what to write about…after all they went to journalism school to do research but that’s too hard……it’s work and after all they worked hard in school didn’t they…now it’s time to enjoy the cocktail wienie circuit….
Thrasyboulos @ 33
See my comment about Lil’ Debbie not biting the hand that feeds her.
Corporate-owned media, which serves advertisers and their own holding corporations, is NEVER going to do anything counter to the interests of their real bread-winning functions.
Unless we, the people, demand otherwise.
Moving the goalposts in advance of FISA vote…from HuffPo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..veillance/
tw3k @ 7
That’s like saying Einstein brings more to the table than Bush with respect to nuclear energy.
Re Armitage, at the end of the interview talking about ‘the memo’, he stumbled around muttering both ‘Wilson’ and ‘Plame’. Too bad Blitzer missed a golden opportunity to clarify that ‘Plame’ was a name unknown to Armitage at the time Novak went to print, yet Novak used ‘Plame’. “How do you think that might that be, Dick?”
The Jackson-Jefferson Dinner is held each autumn in Des Moines. It is basically a fund raiser for the Iowa Democratic Party. Everyone who is anyone in the Party is there. It is held at Veterans Memorial Auditorium. This “Old Barn” is where the state basketball championship is played.
The six major Democratic candidates spoke before about 9000 people. Edwards spoke first. Obama went last. All of the candidates were well received, but Obama rocked the Old Barn.
I saw Obama speak about 6 weeks ago and he didn’t have the magic. Last night he did.
Hey Rayne,
How did Garnett do in the election?
OT, sort of. So Armitage says that Valerie Plame is right, that what he did was very foolish and he should have known better than to talk to “a” reporter about her employment. His excuse, he saw her name (Valerie Wilson, not Plame) in a memo, something about she was chairing a meeting or something, and since he had never before seen a covert agent’s name listed in any memos, he thought she was not covert. But she was right, what he did was “foolish,” but that he did not intend blah, blah, blah. I would call what he did criminal and I would further say one unintentional slip to a reporter, maybe; two (Bob Woodward and Bob Novak) to me shows “the slip” was deliberate. Also, admitting she is right about his betrayal being “foolish” is a long way from apologizing. Since he was already that close, why then did he not go ahead and apologize? I’m tellin’ ya, that little bastard is far more devious and nefarious than he’s usually given credit for.
Ann in AZ @ 42
You’d think a ‘man’ with all his years of gov’t experience, which he was bragging about just 1 minute prior to his ‘admission’, should have had a little foresight of the repercussions of leaking a CIA employee’s name to the press. One would think, but not Dickhead.
Smgumby @ 26
Yes.
old gold @ 44
It was a great speech. I just finished it.
We are no longer “so far out”. The real primary battle begins in just over a month and will end shortly thereafter. People aren’t paying attention yet- but that all changes the day after New Year- and there will be about two months to settle the issues.
I’m afraid the surveys may show a little public hypocrisy, like the ones which always show a public condemnation about negative political advertisments. Unfortunately, I don’t think more substantive information, such as that which can be found on PBS, NPR, and CSPAN, brings in the viewers/readers the way the yellow journalism does.
What I like best about Obama and Edwards are their abilities to be inspiring! That is what America needs, someone who can inspire us to get on the right track again!
I miss America being the good guys, not just claiming to be the good guys.
Journalists rarely do this anymore on any subject. Aside from a handful of stories like the initial exposure of warrantless wiretapping, black prisons, and Walter Reed, can anyone remember this happening, and even with these stories was there really any follow up to them? The simple truth is most journalists don’t do journalism anymore. That’s why they call it stenography.
As for Howell, it’s like she is standing 3 feet deep in manure and telling us if she smells anything funny she will let us know right away.
Finally, election coverage has worked like this for decades. They cover the campaigns like a horse race. They get criticized for it. They then go back and “review” their coverage and conclude that gosh darn they did do a bang up job on covering candidates’ positions. Why look right here on page 32 . . .
Important to know whether the candidate’s knickers match their suits.
Muzzy @ 39
When did the beard ever NOT miss a golden oppotunity to clarify ANYTHING? I spend my telly time trying to figure out which one of these idjits I detest the most.
rwcole @ 50
I’ll bet Meet the Press could do an hour on HRC alone with this topic.
I never know who to vote for until we find out what the candidates eat for breakfast. I always vote for oatmeal.
yellowdogD @ 38
lol! :)
If we could find out which candidates like to be on top when they do it- that would narrow the field.
ick
rw at 55– Ack — I just had a fleeting vision of Fred Thompson that no human being should ever have to see…blergh…
Christy-
re Obama, here’s what ana marie cox sorta liveblogged:
tw3k @ 34
i’m having trouble buying anyone’s arguments just now. the comparison between what i see on c-span (house and senate floor and committee hearings) and what i hear from politicians or read in the press just seems utterly inconsistent.
frustrating as hell.
It’s not just the MSM. Orange Satan has been hip-deep in spreading that “Hitlery Didn’t Leave a Tip!” bullshit.
rwcole @ 53
I wonder which candidate has beer for breakfast.
I’m guessing Alan Keyes.
kdh22 @ 37
Ya gotta love this:
And when they don’t? Well, we’ll retroactively legislate indemnity for them.
This is an old fight. As I wrote in my grad thesis a decade ago:
Change the topic from “war on drugs” to “war on terrah” and it’s the same old shit.
Redd
Oh yeah- forgot about him…his wife is definately on top–I think we can be sure of that.
I never hear any of the talking heads speak about a candidate as the candidate may actually believe what they are saying. They would have reviewed the sermon on the mound as a tactic to appeal to the “poor in spirit” voters.
It hurts. Please stop.
rwcole @ 46
And then it will get interesting…a political knife fight with the fate of our country at stake.
rwcole @ 62
Speak of the devil. RWCole.
Do you think Larry Craig has hit bottom yet?
-GSD
I figure that Rudy has the same foreign policy as Bush “Dead or Alive”.
GSD
He will only hit bottom if he runs for re-election!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 57
I imagine Fred just kind of lays there because he’s so very tired…and kind of dozes off in the midst of Mrs Fred #3 half-heartedly going through the motions.
Guliani probably engages in activities too horrifying to even contemplate…
cleter @ 2
If they can move the dates of the primaries all around, why can’t we just move up the date of the general election and get this sucker over with?
selise @ 59
sure is frustrating to see congresscritters argue against their constitutional duty.
Ann in AZ @ 72
Or, Bu’ush could just pull a Musharraf.
:(
Ann in AZ @ 72
Can’t. Stupid Founding Fathers put it in the stupid Constitution. Unless we start ignoring the Constitution, which no one sane would ever do…
Boosharraff.
-GSD
You guys are seriously grossing me out on the candidate position discussion. Please…stop. Some things are best left to privacy and not to public contemplation. ‘kay?
Rayne,
“Serving advertisers” is only part of the answer. This implies that in the end, there are only economic interests at play.
I believe thatemployees not only look after the economic interests of owners, from advertising to “deregulation”, but also owners’ political interests.
Obviously, at some point these converge, but there is too much emphasis on ad revenue, and not enough on political revenue, imho.
rwcole started it.
kdh22 @ 43
Especially if this “man” once held a covert position (I read he was briefly covert during Iran/Contra). Nobody will ever convince me that he didn’t do this deliberately, just like no one will ever convince me that he isn’t a neocon in lambs clothing. He’s the worst kind of prick!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 77
And I had not even finished my breakfast!
cleter at 78 — Yes, that excuse worked so well with my mom when I was a kid. And, if you noticed, I tried to stop it early on…to no avail. (Please don’t make me pull this blog over…)
Correction. I am completely finished now.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 77
Not according to the Bu’ush Deputy Director of National Intellligence.
;)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 81
Ooops. I didn’t read-up ahead. So sorry.
-GSD
From the NYT Editorial:
Senator Charles Schumer, the New York Democrat who turned the tide for this nomination, said that if the Senate did not approve Mr. Mukasey, the president would get by with an interim appointment who would be under the sway of “the extreme ideology of Vice President Dick Cheney.” He argued that Mr. Mukasey could be counted on to reverse the politicization of the Justice Department that occurred under Alberto Gonzales, and that Mr. Mukasey’s reticence about calling waterboarding illegal might well become moot, because the Senate was considering a law making clear that it is illegal.
That is precisely the sort of cozy rationalization that Mr. Schumer and his colleagues have used so many times to back down from a confrontation with Mr. Bush. The truth is, Mr. Mukasey is already in the grip of that “extreme ideology.” If he were not, he could have answered the question about waterboarding.
NYT
Sure wish WE THE PEOPLE had a way of firing politicians if they didn’t do their job and not have to wait for election day.
tw3k @ 73
Schuck Fumer.
Another sad sell-out.
-GSD
Christy Hardin Smith @ 77
Thanks!
lol, talk about more substance, less
fluffbrain bleach!Rayne @ 31
Sad thing is, Buffet still owns a lot of WaPo stock. It sounds like Kay Graham’s son who is the one to blame. Sounds like he doesn’t want to upset the cocktail weenie circuit(whatever little is left of it according to Mrs. Potato Head/Russert).
Ann in AZ @ 79
A couple of times in my career, I held security clearances. One of the things I recall is that it was as much of a crime to confirm classified information as it was to reveal it. Otherwise, it could all be obtained by playing 20 questions. However, I never heard this fact mentioned during the whole episode with multiple leakers.
DON’T GET ME STARTED ABOUT SCHUMER/FEINFUCK AND MUKASEY! Schumer who believes Mukasey should be AG because “there are worse people out there.”
That, in and of itself, is the new Dem strategy: VOTE FOR US – THERE ARE WORSE PEOPLE OUT THERE.
Steve-AR @ 86
It’s 11:11 on 11/11. And as Mr. Sunshine notes, Armistice was signed weeks before and thousands more were allowed to die.
We repeat our sorry history.
cleter @ 70
Is Rudy friends with Marv Albert?
It is all about the Advert dollars …. just exactly why do I need to see an ad on a billion dollar oil rig out in the ocean? Or why some chemical company doesn’t sell me anything but makes other things better?
You will NOT see network X doing investigative reporting exposing how they are damaging our environment, riping off their workers or paying their CEO millions while loosing BILLIONS.
So what else is there to report…
Elmore and I have a game during the “news” ..ask after a segment…. “just exactly why was that considered news?” …. WHY are stories which should be a local story blown nationally.
Watching TeeVee in Athens…. they actually had real live news…. AND it was on CNN international…. we sat there slack jawed saying over and over again…. wow… that is where the news is living now…
Steve-AR @ 86
What unmitigated crap. They’re about to pass essentially a Bill of Attainder for the telecoms, and any emergent leglislation declaring waterboarding or any other “enhanced interrogation” practice illegal will just get vetoed were it even to pass, and the veto would be sustained as the pols once again caved to the Code Brown Nashnul Securitee canard.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 82
But…Uncle TRex lets us talk about gross stuff. *Sniff*
Off Topic
On This Week right now Condi is talking. There is a fly in her studio buzzing around her head, crawling across her jacket. She even loses her bearing for a moment. The fly, on the other hand, seems to have found a kindred spirit.
Poor georgie s. – he’s got no Sunday funnies this week due to the writer’s strike…….so why don’t all you viewers record stuff and send it in? The horrible thing that’s gonna come out of this strike is even more of these vile “reality” shows. GAK!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 57
OK, Christy -
You brought this story (which I just heard Friday) on yourself:
The neighbor who keeps an eye on the farm I inherited saw a car parked on the dirt road that runs in front of the old house. He always walks his dogs to check the mail box in the afternoon so decided it would be a good time to do just that, in the process checking out what, exactly, was going on. As he approached he saw a very bare *ss hanging out of an open door. The dogs were leading and his 125 lb. chocolate lab ran up to said *ss and stuck his very large, very cold nose in the most interesting spot he could find. The kid, buck nekkid, jumped out and ran around the car to get in the driver’s side while the equally bare female climbed over the front seat. And then they hauled buggy. Tom said he hasn’t had any problems with finding that vehicle in the neighborhood since. *G*
Lor’, I haven’t laughed that much in far too long.
Hugh @ 49
i’ve been thinking recently about an insight that has stayed with me after reading daniel ellsberg’s book “secrets.” i’m going to have to go back and reread the part where he discusses it, and maybe even transcribe a bit.
he writes about the seduction of having access to “inside” or “secret” information – about how it corrupts one’s critical thinking. that “inside” or “secret” info is just naturally given more weight than open source information – even when the “inside” info is totally wrong. eventually people learn to rely more and more on the “inside” info and less and less on the open source info – he said this happened to him and to everyone around him.
one of the problems with “inside” info is that it’s not available for analysis and evaluation by people on the “outside” – and therefore is difficult to debunk, even when it’s wrong. but opensource info is, by it’s nature available to all.
so, mistakes and misinformation is can easily be made when it’s based on “inside” info… and it’s human nature that this happens and something we all have to be aware of and work against if we care about getting things right.
we call it stenography – but i think they call it “reporting what their inside sources are saying,” while forgetting that they’re not giving us enough info to properly vet the quality of the source or the accuracy of the statement.
I think trashing the WaPo resulted from some sort of son-mom thing. Mom dies; son destroys her favorite things..the newspaper and her rose gardens.
So on the international front there are a dozen fuses that have been lit and are slowly winding their way through the sand to a central powder keg that is gonna blow.
Which fuse reaches the powder keg first?
*Turkey invading Kurdistan?
*Pakistan going the way of Iran in 1979?
*Eritrea invading Ethiopia?
*The US hitting Iran?
My pick is Israel attacking Hezbollah in Lebanon which brings in a multi-fronted war with Hamas getting in on the act and then dragging Syria in on the game.
“The enemy has been conducting military maneuvers for months. The latest maneuvers occurred a few weeks ago near the Lebanese border in which 50,000 Israeli officers and soldiers participated,” Hassan Nasrallah told a Hezbollah rally in south Beirut. “These maneuvers are to prepare for an attack on Lebanon,” he said.
-GSD
Prairie Sunshine @ 92
Sad facts :(
Christy Hardin Smith @ 81
are we there yet?
how much longer until we have our country back?
OT..Brown People caused the mortgage crash:
To this day, he says his beleaguered company did nothing wrong during the loose-lending craze that is now unraveling nationwide with record foreclosures and mountainous losses. Instead, Mr. Mozilo considers himself and his company to be victims of financial forces beyond their control.
At a conference sponsored by the Milken Institute about two weeks ago, for example, he explained that borrowers forced lenders like Countrywide to lower their mortgage standards. The industry faced special pressure from minority advocates to help people buy homes, he said. Now, the government must help by increasing loan limits at government-sponsored enterprises like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, he added.
NYT business
Steve-AR @ 85
and if president bush says he’s going to nuke nyc unless they let him nuke boston… would they argue that nuking boston was a good idea, since it’s the lesser of two evils?
selise @ 59
There is a disconnect. Politicians think that since the MSM doesn’t pay attention to what they do in Congress and what they say on the campaign trail or in their press clips, no one else will. But this is precisely what our part of the blogosphere does. So Reid making an eloquent speech against Mukasey but having connived with Republicans to see that he was confirmed, we see that and talk about it. That all 4 of the Presidentail candidates who are Senators and who opposed Mukasey publicly missed the vote, we see that too and don’t buy the “but how could we have known?” argument because we know they have staffs and phones and Blackberries.
I agree too that I get tired of candidates speak about leadership on the stump and fail to exercise it in their day jobs in the Senate. Where are the 4 Senatorial candidates leading the fight on Iraq and FISA, for example?
As long as I am on this rant, I am tired too of Hillary’s experience claims. She just finished her first term in the Senate and during those first 6 years to get back to my previous point how often did she lead on anything?
Joe Biden is a blow-hard, but he is seeing the big picture and doing god’s work by tearing at Rudy.
At the J-J dinner last night:
“I should start with an apology to Rudy Giuliani,” he said at the start of his remarks. “I said every sentence Rudy utters has a noun, a verb, and 9/11 in it. I was wrong. He called me to tell me after Pat Robertson’s endorsement, there’s an Amen in every sentence he says too.”
Rewarded with a big laugh from the mention of the red-meat candidate at the Democratic lovefest, Biden continued. “Isn’t it amazing how these Republicans get converted?” Biden said. “Rudy Giuliani and Pat Robertson…. That’s amazing.”
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Hugh @ 106
this weekend i’m especially frustrated with senator dodd’s lack of an explanation on why he missed the mukasey vote – probably because i sorta believed him when he said how important our constitutional values are to him and how he was going to fight for them.
just call me charlie brown, while i go looking for another lucy.
Anyone watch ABC’s “This Week”? George Will, a columnist for the WaPo, on the panel, and I believe he ended his remarks wrt Hillary Clinton by saying that “there’s a computer chip where her soul is supposed to be.” Make that Ms. Howell’s first assignment.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 81
What a mental image!
;)
BobbyG@62
I’ve often contemplated the similarity between the WOD and the WOT. Two sides of the same coin. I always end up seeing the economic boon for the industries employed to defend against the faux ‘wars’. I, too, always end up determining that until the people, as a cognative unit, begin defending themselves, for themselves and their contemporaries, our freedoms will continue to be decimated.
GSD @ 101
Remembrances of past. November 11, 1979, playing “Last Post and Revellry” on trumpet for the Fallen Heroes who died in North Africa and are buried in Bhenghazi, Libya.
Dec.2,1979, American Embassy in Tripoli bombed as Gaddafi allied himself with Ayatolla Khomeini at the fall of the Shah of Iran.
28 years later is Musharref the new Shah?
epu’d from last thread. Are we seeing the unravelling of the Mid-East?
For the first time, maybe ever…the President did not lay the wreath for fallen soldiers at Arlington, Cheney did. Oh, yeah…I forgot who the president is.
What a kick in the teeth to the veterans and those laying their lives down as we speak.
I want republics scrutinized as much as democrats are.
Absolutely! And I want that scrutiny done in the bathrooms of all major airports.
TheOtherWA @ 114
kdh22 @ 111
The indisputable constitutional intent of the Framers was that the activities of private citizens were to be respected as presumptively private absent compelling independent objective showing of the need for breach, whereas the activities of those entrusted with governance were to be regarded as presumptively public absent compelling independent objective showing of the need for secrecy.
The utter inversion of these founding principles is pretty much complete under Bu’ush.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 81
Thanks.
I remember very well when Reza Pahlavi was receiving the same support as Musharref…I predict the same outcome.
Ann in AZ @ 42
The “memo” was actually a report. A report that had Top Secret designations all over it, including at the top of the page in which Valerie’s identity is discussed. FURTHERMORE there was another encoding on that page…one that contained the name of a covert operation…and which was also classified.
Armitage not only revealed an agents name from a document that was Secret, and the page itself classified….he discussed some of this information with Woodward and Novak. It’s how they learned she was an officer of the COVERT Counter-Proliferation Division of the Operations Section.
And it was clear from these conversations with reporters that he WANTED them to release the information publicly…he practically implored Woodward to do so. “Don’t you f*ckin’ SEE THE LINK! She’s his WIFE! SHE sent HIM!” is what Armitage kept repeating to Wadword…when even the report never made such a claim.
Scarecrow @ 109
i did not… but was hoping someone here did, as i’d like to know if dodd was asked about missing the mukasey vote… otherwise i’m going to have to listen to the podcast. yuck.
LS @ 113
Is he supporting the troops by riding his bike in Texas?
selise @ 119
I tuned in late and missed the interview with Dodd. Saw only the panel. Cokie Roberts, Sam Donaldson, Will and host Stephanopoulus. Far more arrogance than wisdom or fairness.
BobbyG @ 116
I agree with you. I can’t always express the thoughts that I have in words. The inversion is exactly what is in the process of happening. The excerpt of your thesis is impressive and reflective. Thanks for sharing and for clarifying some of my muddled thoughts. :)
cinnamonape @ 118
Good catch. It seems a common ploy of professional liars in Washington to slip in some innocuous detail “a memo” which opens the door to and makes reasonable the lie which follows.
Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says Donald Kerr, the principal deputy director of national intelligence. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguards people’s private communications and financial information.
Get that? The Republicans think that privacy means the government and private industry have the right to know everything about it, so long as they don’t share that information with anyone other than the government and private industry. So privacy now means your secrets are safer from your neighbor, but not Big Brother or every corporation in America.
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I only caught the part where Cokie Roberts slid in the dig that Congress was unpopular as Bush without noting that Bush is unpopular because of his policies and Congress is unpopular for not opposing them.
Steve-AR @ 125
Sometimes you have to destroy freedom in order to save it.
Hugh @ 127
Orwell?? or Bush?? :)
Steve-AR @ 124
Y’know, that horse is so outa the barn by now. One reason for the Bu’ushies’ collective chubbie for comprehensive privatization is that private sector actors are not subject to constitutional circumscription, i.e., your only recourse in the wake of rights violations by corporations are tort or other contractual civil or criminal claims.
Hence the rush now to retroactively indemnify the telecoms.
New thread:
Duty Honor Country And All The Exceptions Thereto
Murkasey is a distraction..it’s the Donald Kerr’s…the thousands of them that have to be stopped. They are hidden like termites, eating away at the foundation of our country.
Everything that happening is an outrage, but that can lead to political fatigue..just what the Thugs want. Repeating the idea that both parties are the same is the surest way to put us all behind the wire. The only outrage is not winning in ‘08.
I often recall the day 45 years ago, when I was a callow copyboy at the Fort Worth S-T, overhearing the editor, when asked about the news value of a particular story, reply: “News is what gets in the paper.” I have seen litle since to make me think that that attitude has diminished much in the business.
BobbyG @ 62
Also fascinating that the Government feels exempt from the same limitations on PRIVACY that they would suject us to. These same officials feel they have the right to conceal their political meetings with lobbyists and businessmen from the Energy Companies. Bush and Cheney demand “Executive Privilege” which conceals their political activities…knowledge that is clearly relevant and critical to the American people. They conceal non-critical materials under the aegis of classification. They will conceal their acts for decades under the Presidential Order that allows a former President and VP to block the release of Presidential documents.
They use surrepticious meetings and phone calls to leak classified and erroneous materials to burgeon their case for war or attack opponents…hidden under the gauze of “source-reporter” privilege.
Congressmen place secret holds, or add anonymous riders to bills that may become our nations laws. Government proposals are kept secret and the Congress asked to decide on their merits without any knowledge of what the passage of the law might mean.
The names of and reasons why those held as “enemy combatants” are kept secret…denying them the capability of obtaining legal representation. The identities of their accusers are kept secret, and even the actions that they are accused of denied to the military lawyers appointed to them in secret tribunals.
Swiftboaters need not reveal their names on the very attack ads that they use on the public airwaves.
And this guy says we should sacrifice our NON-PUBLIC anonymity?
The State in the meantime acts to hide the identities of all those that run and manipulate this country. Lawbreakers remain anonymous and are immunized so that even the laws they broke will go unrevealed!
Scarecrow, you call Biden a “blowhard” and you said in the last thread that he hasn’t said anything coherent about Pakistan.
I offer two comments in reply:
First, the “blowhard” meme is one that appears frequently, and is duly repeated in the comments section here, or at Daliy Kos and similar venues, without anyone ever explaining why talking about critical issues makes you a blowhard. To the extent that this word is picked up and repeated in our own progressive echo chamber I think we are doing what we accuse the wingnuts of doing: making personal attacks rather than deal with issues, and repeating an insult until it just sounds true.
It just says that there are people on our side who don’t like Biden for whatever good reasons they may have, and so he is attacked with a familiar bit of namecalling. I don’t like it.
It is like focusing on whether Hillary cackles, rather than on whether laughter is an appropriate response to the accusation that you just voted for war with Iran.
It is like wringing our hands over how much a haircut cost instead of exploring whether the Edwards populism comes from a genuine wellspring of belief.
Second, Biden is the only candidate carrying on a coherent discussion about Pakistan. He has doen more in the last week to try to defuse the dangerous situation there than the Bush administration. I admit that is not a high bar, but I do not think that you can fairly accuse Biden of not being substantive on this issue.
From a speech in New Hampshire:
Steve-AR @ 131
no, they’re not the same. but you think the only outrage is the Ds not winning in ‘08 – then we are in fundamental disagreement. because i’m finding alot to be outraged by the Ds in congress right now.
Susan in Iowa @ 134
Exactly, Biden has repeatedly made efforts to grapple with the details of policy in the Middle East and South Asia that others have avoided lest it be a third rail. Other candidates voice platitudes. But at least Richardson and Biden have actually given coherent statements, and attacked certain mythologies about the region. And when one often examines the “soundbite” quotes that are used to portray him as either a “hawk” or, conversely, “an appeaser”…the complete context of his statements shows he really has made a statement that is much more nuanced than the soundbite.
Contrast that with John Edward’s Speech at Herzliya Conference
And recall how both Edwards, and Hillary, lambasted Obama for being willing to speak to Iran “without preconditions” (on either side).
Yet I have yet to see any major presentation in the debates by Edwards about precisely what his foreign policy would be towards Iran, Pakistan, Israel, etc.
Yes…he asserts that we will withdraw from Iraq…but given the above how would he maintain a force in the region that would be able to strike Iran and defend the regional players from the consequences? Oh, he has stated that he wants to maintain a “regional strike force” of several thousand in Kuwait…and that these would periodically be sent into Iraq to fight Al Qaida (and Iran?) if needed. He believes that other troops shifted to Afghanistan from Iraq would be sufficient “to mount expeditions”.
Of course if you send that strike force into Iraq..they’d have to actually establish a camp or base there to mount their operations. So they’d be “back in Iraq”.
So it seems that his position isn’t all that different from Clintons.
What about the 10 questions web site???
Cinnamonape@136
I have tried repeatedly to get an answer out of the Edwards campaign as to what he meant at Herzliya, and have recounted that effort here previously. My last shot was with Elizabeth herself and a highlighted copy of the actual speech.
I do not know what to make of the lack of response, so I get to make up something. It is this: Edwards is deeply concerned with domestic issues, and if this were going to be an election mostly concerned with those issues, he would be getting more traction.
I do not think he’s knows much about foreign policy, and the speech to Herzliya was probably just an effort to show support for Israel. It was odd that he did it and no other Dem candidate did, and that he said such provocative things. Either he believes them, in which case he has said many inconsistent things since, or it was a rookie mistake.
Obama made a similar mistake in saying that he supported designating the Revolutionary Guard as terrorists, which I told him to his face about a month ago. None of the frontrunners has depth in foreign policy. They are not “experienced.” Biden is. I think that is why you can’t get a coherent position out of the things that Edwards has said, and why Clinton seems to be always veering around like a sail trying to find the wind.
Susan in Iowa @ 138
I hate to say this, but Edwards isn’t a “rookie” at this game. It’s his second Presidential campaign, and he also ran as Kerry’s VEEP. And while he certainly didn’t vote to condemn the Iranian Revolutionary Gaurds as “terrorists”…it’s clear that he probably would have judging from this speech. The speech is only 6 months old…and yet he seems to be telling the Israelis one thing, and the folks on the Campaign trail another. It’s hypocritical to charge Clinton with being a hawk in Congress and a dove on the camapaign trail when he’s doing essentially the same.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..wards_iran
And if he’s trying to make the Israelis happy ,and through them A*P*C and other pro-Zionist groupsin the US) then isn’t that pandering to a particular audience?
I’m hardly an expert in the Middle East imbroglio myself…but I would never call Sharon “heroic”. I’d call him a war-criminal…or simply not mention him at all. If Edwards, after 6 years in the Senate, can’t do anything more than spout the talking points of those who used WMD’s to get us into Iraq….then lord help us.
Edwards needs to repudiate that speech, which did as much to “endorse” the sabre-rattling against Iran now being used by Cheney, as the Kyl-Lieberman Resolution.
OMG Miss Gultch on the bike and on her way to the Gales.
She must be hankerin’ for our foul, nasty attention.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 23
Sorry Christy. I don’t recall posting this comment before on FDL, but I’ll take your word for it. These are my own words and you may have seen them on other websites.
- Tom & FTF
The WaPo coverage in 2007 has been about 97% horse-race and garbage-issue stuff, and 3% reportage on real issues. (By garbage-issue stuff, I mean irrelevant pseudo-issues like Clinton’s laugh, Edwards’ haircut, and Obama’s not having his hand over his heart during the National Anthem.)
Haven’t seen any of it yet this year, but in past years, their tendency has been to make up for the zillions of articles with no meaningful coverage of the issues with one enormous multi-page in-depth look at each candidate, which is kinda like having to eat a year’s worth of vegetables in one meal.
And then after that, they can say, “Hey look, we gave you what you said you wanted, and you’re still griping. Guess we can’t please you, no matter what we do.” (This was their response paraphrased when I called them up about this a few election cycles back.)