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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 06:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;and don’t forget The Candidate&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh yes. And Quiz Show, The Great Waldo Pepper, Three Days of the Condor, and Ordinary People. Mr. Redford has a consistently interesting angle on heroism, among other things. And privilege.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>and don’t forget The Candidate</i></p>
<p>Oh yes. And Quiz Show, The Great Waldo Pepper, Three Days of the Condor, and Ordinary People. Mr. Redford has a consistently interesting angle on heroism, among other things. And privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: Shell</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/09/valuing-american-values/#comment-1087301</link>
		<dc:creator>Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Honestly, I have never seen this level of disgust and simmering anger and fear and wholesale worry about where things will be for our nation’s children than I hear from friends and family these days — across the political spectrum.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe you BUT what were they doing about this a year ago? 5 years ago? 10? 20? Yes, this has been slowly building since REAGAN. And that was over 25 years ago.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My interest was health care. I am not a doctor or nurse, but worked in a health insurance company 25 years ago. I saw what was going on. I started trying to warn Americans. Did they listen? No. You see, THEIR ox wasn’t being gored. They didn’t care about others. If I hear one more time how AMERICANS are so GENEROUS, I will scream. It is not true. They are, by and large, selfish. Do some of them give to charity? Yes, when they can write it off their taxes. (And please don’t bring up blogger reader contributions. I am not talking about them.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are SOME Americans generous? Sure! Are most? No! NOW more are for health care reform, but only when THEY are experiencing the hideous situations. Before that time, they just say, “I’ve got mine — screw you!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am sick of this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Honestly, I have never seen this level of disgust and simmering anger and fear and wholesale worry about where things will be for our nation’s children than I hear from friends and family these days — across the political spectrum.”</p>
<p>I believe you BUT what were they doing about this a year ago? 5 years ago? 10? 20? Yes, this has been slowly building since REAGAN. And that was over 25 years ago.</p>
<p>My interest was health care. I am not a doctor or nurse, but worked in a health insurance company 25 years ago. I saw what was going on. I started trying to warn Americans. Did they listen? No. You see, THEIR ox wasn’t being gored. They didn’t care about others. If I hear one more time how AMERICANS are so GENEROUS, I will scream. It is not true. They are, by and large, selfish. Do some of them give to charity? Yes, when they can write it off their taxes. (And please don’t bring up blogger reader contributions. I am not talking about them.)</p>
<p>Are SOME Americans generous? Sure! Are most? No! NOW more are for health care reform, but only when THEY are experiencing the hideous situations. Before that time, they just say, “I’ve got mine — screw you!”</p>
<p>I am sick of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Kunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/09/valuing-american-values/#comment-1087248</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Kunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For some time I thought the answer was to create a network of communities bound together by local issues as reflected by on line checkbooks. It then occurred to me that each community would be a blog with links to other blogs, just like this blog links to other blogs. It would be no more effective than blogs are today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We must figure out a way to organize. Change won’t happen with phone calls or money aimed at this or that candidate. We need to speak with one voice after figuring out a way to decide what that voice is. We also need to be organized on local levels to hit these guys where they live. Nothing matters more to them than re-election. They will even vote against big contributors if they know next time around they lose their job for sure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I confess I have no idea how to do it, but it is something we must give the highest priority. Change is up to us. If we wait for them it won’t happen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some time I thought the answer was to create a network of communities bound together by local issues as reflected by on line checkbooks. It then occurred to me that each community would be a blog with links to other blogs, just like this blog links to other blogs. It would be no more effective than blogs are today.</p>
<p>We must figure out a way to organize. Change won’t happen with phone calls or money aimed at this or that candidate. We need to speak with one voice after figuring out a way to decide what that voice is. We also need to be organized on local levels to hit these guys where they live. Nothing matters more to them than re-election. They will even vote against big contributors if they know next time around they lose their job for sure.</p>
<p>I confess I have no idea how to do it, but it is something we must give the highest priority. Change is up to us. If we wait for them it won’t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Brantl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/09/valuing-american-values/#comment-1087165</link>
		<dc:creator>Brantl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1086637&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven @ 24&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1086634&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;old gold @ 21&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I agree that for the moment we will need to find our satisfaction in the making the fight as opposed to achieving results.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree. I’m sitting here stewing because I decided not to go to the 25th Anniversay of the Wall since they chose to have Colin Powell as the keynote.  Some of my pals are already there and I know I’ll haved mixed emotions Sunday during the ceremony. Does it matter that I am not going? Not to anyone except me but I guess that’ll have to be enough.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Go, and heckle the living shit out of the asshole. Have your buddies form a defensive group around you so that you can’t be pulled oout of the area. As Molly Ivens used to say” “Raise a little hell!”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1086637"><em>raven @ 24</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1086634"><em>old gold @ 21</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I agree that for the moment we will need to find our satisfaction in the making the fight as opposed to achieving results.  </p>
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<p>I agree. I’m sitting here stewing because I decided not to go to the 25th Anniversay of the Wall since they chose to have Colin Powell as the keynote.  Some of my pals are already there and I know I’ll haved mixed emotions Sunday during the ceremony. Does it matter that I am not going? Not to anyone except me but I guess that’ll have to be enough.</p>
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<p>Go, and heckle the living shit out of the asshole. Have your buddies form a defensive group around you so that you can’t be pulled oout of the area. As Molly Ivens used to say” “Raise a little hell!”</p>
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		<title>By: nolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1086674&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;bg @ 60&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;In the Valley Of Elah &lt;/b&gt;is another good movie of recent vintage, a compelling story with Tommy Lee Jones.  It will be interesting if he gets a nod for an Oscar, along with someone from Redford’s movie.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;second on &lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;in the valley of elah&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
at the very end of the movie, tommy&lt;br /&gt;
lee jones — as a former military man,&lt;br /&gt;
and father, makes the most eloquent statement&lt;br /&gt;
of the movie — by saying nothing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it is what he &lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt; that sez it all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;. . .a very strong statement, from the&lt;br /&gt;
perspective of those who have served.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p e a c e&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1086674"><em>bg @ 60</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><b>In the Valley Of Elah </b>is another good movie of recent vintage, a compelling story with Tommy Lee Jones.  It will be interesting if he gets a nod for an Oscar, along with someone from Redford’s movie.</p>
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<p>second on <b><em>in the valley of elah</em></b>.<br />
at the very end of the movie, tommy<br />
lee jones — as a former military man,<br />
and father, makes the most eloquent statement<br />
of the movie — by saying nothing.</p>
<p>it is what he <b><em>does</em></b> that sez it all.</p>
<p>. . .a very strong statement, from the<br />
perspective of those who have served.</p>
<p>p e a c e</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1086850&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 172&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;All this sounds like Reid loaned the Republicans the 30 pieces of silver, got an IOU for it (which they threw away), and thinks he came out on top.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or maybe a bridge to nowhere in NV?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1086850"><em>Hugh @ 172</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>All this sounds like Reid loaned the Republicans the 30 pieces of silver, got an IOU for it (which they threw away), and thinks he came out on top.</p>
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<p>or maybe a bridge to nowhere in NV?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1086837&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 168&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1086827&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 167&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;no.&lt;br /&gt;
and no.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but i’d still like to know what his “deal” was - what 30 pieces of silver did he get?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All this sounds like Reid loaned the Republicans the 30 pieces of silver, got an IOU for it (which they threw away), and thinks he came out on top.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1086837"><em>selise @ 168</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1086827"><em>Hugh @ 167</em></a> &#8211; </p>
<p>no.<br />
and no.</p>
<p>but i’d still like to know what his “deal” was &#8211; what 30 pieces of silver did he get?</p>
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<p>All this sounds like Reid loaned the Republicans the 30 pieces of silver, got an IOU for it (which they threw away), and thinks he came out on top.</p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/09/valuing-american-values/#comment-1086848</link>
		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1086618&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 6&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Good Morning Christy,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It appears to be peaceful and quiet in Elliott Town but underneath is a simmering anger.  But as you always remind us, it’s a marathon and not a sprint.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the reminder, I am not good at slow slogs. My Frustration level reaches maximum output very quickly. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay off to the salt mines for bread and sustenance.&lt;br /&gt;
Have a good day all, don’t let these f*&amp;ks rain on your parade.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1086618"><em>Elliott @ 6</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Good Morning Christy,</p>
<p>It appears to be peaceful and quiet in Elliott Town but underneath is a simmering anger.  But as you always remind us, it’s a marathon and not a sprint.</p>
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<p>Thanks for the reminder, I am not good at slow slogs. My Frustration level reaches maximum output very quickly. </p>
<p>Okay off to the salt mines for bread and sustenance.<br />
Have a good day all, don’t let these f*&amp;ks rain on your parade.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;p.s. i called my 2 senators’ offices, the four who voted “no”, leahy’s and reid’s office and the senate parlimentarian this morning.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. i called my 2 senators’ offices, the four who voted “no”, leahy’s and reid’s office and the senate parlimentarian this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/09/valuing-american-values/#comment-1086839</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Toby 36, LS 100, me too.  My mom had extra wrinkle of harboring tremendous anger twd herself “for getting old”(!)  To relieve her strain somewhat, I encouraged her tendency to turn her anger &amp; frustration on me instead.&lt;br /&gt;
Not so sure I’d ever recommend, but it worked, sorta, and she eventually went at peace with herself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Years later now.  Still in recovery &amp; have accepted that I probably always will be.  Whew.&lt;br /&gt;
Old age is not for sissies.&lt;br /&gt;
Caregiving is not for sissies. ;-&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(((Toby))) (((LS)))&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby 36, LS 100, me too.  My mom had extra wrinkle of harboring tremendous anger twd herself “for getting old”(!)  To relieve her strain somewhat, I encouraged her tendency to turn her anger &amp; frustration on me instead.<br />
Not so sure I’d ever recommend, but it worked, sorta, and she eventually went at peace with herself.</p>
<p>Years later now.  Still in recovery &amp; have accepted that I probably always will be.  Whew.<br />
Old age is not for sissies.<br />
Caregiving is not for sissies. ;-&gt;</p>
<p>(((Toby))) (((LS)))</p>
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