Meryl Streep in a scene from Lions For Lambs…
Every day, we get hit with news blip after news blip, Beltway machinations galore, and a pile of interconnected disperate actions that speak far more loudly than all the pretty speeches that drip out like so much honey. Only it isn’t honey at all, but some saccharin-laden approximation of reality that never lives up to the original. It is frustrating as hell to find that something you’ve poured an enormous amount of effort and emotion into has dissipated like so much sand in a roaring wind.
The one constant is that the fight for “a more perfect union” continues. The responsibility for continuing that fight rests on all of us. As it must.
I’ve been watching the build-up of publicity, and the accompanying poo poohing of the chattering classes that a political think piece could do anything at the box office with some interest about Lions For Lambs. There is a predictable red versus blue sort of review of the film, but beyond that there are excuses for the media consistently interjected in the discussion…by members of the media doing reviews. Talk about your manufactured superficiality and ego.
The reality is that there are a lot of frustrated Americans out there looking for better answers.
A work of fiction can be a starting point, a springboard to a national conversation, not a means for finding all the answers. If ever there were a need for a wholesale national conversation about who we are and where we ought to be going, it is now. Honestly, I have never seen this level of disgust and simmering anger and fear and wholesale worry about where things will be for our nation’s children than I hear from friends and family these days — across the political spectrum.
This interview with Robert Redford, who directs and stars in the film, raises a whole lot of questions that we all ought to be asking — of ourselves and of the people we elect to represent our interests.
That reluctance goes a long way in explaining why Redford chose to direct “Lions for Lambs,” which in 88 fast-paced minutes takes on the issues of terrorism, U.S. foreign policy, higher education, personal responsibility and journalistic integrity. The script by Matthew Michael Carnahan uses three interlocking storylines to pose JFK’s venerable adage: “Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.”
But after a preview of “Lions for Lambs” recently at the University of Chicago, Redford steered clear of picking a favorite among the current field of presidential contenders. “No, I’m not backing anybody,” he said. “I made the film to provoke thought, not to supply the answers.”…
Yes, but you have to pick somebody. “Eventually,” he said, laughing. “I do think activism is crucial however it comes. Just getting involved is important.”
Redford sees the movie as a challenge to the younger generation: “Use your education to get to the truth. Find a way to hold people accountable. Get involved; it’s your future. I can’t. It’s too late for me.”
Those words remind us that the perennially youthful Sundance Kid is now 71 (ironically, the same age as GOP candidate John McCain, who many consider too old to be president). Though the actor-director-activist might be riding off into the sunset, he’s still passionate about the state of our nation. “The values that this administration has trashed,” he said, his voice trailing off in disgust. “It’s going to take a long time to dig out of this hole.”
Later, talking about the scene where Streep tells her editor that she doesn’t want to be used as a pawn in another march to war, Redford dismisses the easy excuses now offered by the body politic. “Like Hillary Clinton has said, ‘If I’d known then what I know now’ [she never would have supported the Iraq invasion]. But we did know. That’s just bull—-. We just rolled over.”
Despite what Fox News host Bill O’Reilly (who has called the movie “anti-American”) might contend, Redford insists “Lions for Lambs” is not an attack on Bush’s Iraq policy. “It’s not a lefty film. All points of view are represented. This film is not just about those issues. It had to be about something deeper.”
The issues that fuel the movie’s debate, Redford contends, follow in a line of political flashpoints such as McCarthyism, Watergate and Iran-contra. “You see a similar mindset during these eras that led to a loss of freedoms,” he said. “There are patterns that are being repeated today. What we’re trying to ask is: How close are we to losing what’s great about this country?”
Even though conservative pundits are piling on, Washington Redskins owner and voluble Republican Dan Snyder calls “Lions for Lambs” “pro-American. It asks questions that not only deserve to be asked, but heard. That’s more American than anything I can think of.”
Whatever your political philosophy, it is the day to day participation — the holding elected officials to account; the asking of difficult questions; the demanding transparency instead of backroom, hidden deals; the constant, ever-present push for the will of the people as opposed to the benefit of the few — that really counts. I’ve been wrestling with ways to involve more Americans in the discussion and activity: how do you interest an entire segment of the population which has turned off the citizenship portion of their lives? And, worse, how do you keep them going in the face of one frustration after another when the Beltway seems to be a completely different world from the one the rest of us live in every day?
Personally, I’ve stopped relying on the end result, and started concentrating on the fight itself. What is important is that you keep pushing toward a more perfect union, and that you work to bring more and more like-minded patriots into the mix where and when you can. Every day. Change occurs more gradually than most of us would like…but a change is gonna come.
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Morning everyone. Coffe is warm, there’s a cold rain outside, The Peanut is watching The Grinch Who Stole Christmas this morning, and the birdies are huddled on the feeder trying to dry out their sodden feathers. How’s life in your world?
The 27% Rotten Tomatoes score kinda scared me off..but if CHS posts it…well that solves my problem of “what movie” for “date night” tonight.
Good Morning Christy,
It appears to be peaceful and quiet in Elliott Town but underneath is a simmering anger. But as you always remind us, it’s a marathon and not a sprint.
Good morning Christy and fellow firepups.
Crisp and clear frosty day in NE Iowa. Perfect for the colors that still remain after the bountious harvest.
This community gives me hope everyday. Thanks.
CHS, I haven’t been to the theater in years, but this one could pull me out.
Thank you. I’m suffering from a horrible cold, and feeling that no matter what we do, it doesn’t change anything – so your words give me the strength to start on the phone calls to the SJC about telco immunity and blanket warrants.
Because you’re right – we can’t stop fighting because we don’t win every battle. This is a long struggle, and we must be in to the end.
If only so I can look in the mirror, and tell my grandchildren, I fought for that ideal that was America, even if it was only in that small way of actually being a citizen.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 4
Good morning from Park City, Utah, where it’s very nice, thank you.
MrsCO and I are still reeling from the news that our esteemed senator Ken “Nighthorse” Salazar actually voted against new AG Torture Monger. We are also pissed that Obama didn’t think the vote important enough to show up for.
Christy,
You forgot to mention that your Mountaineers pulled on out last night. :})
Wow, movies and we are winning the Iraq war (and have forgotten about the Taliban War) – looks like its time for another war (Iran).
Pete, does he think ANY vote is important enough to show up for?
Haven’t even bothered to look to see how mine voted – because I know that Craig and Crapo will, yet again, be on record as showing Idaho’s support for torture. Bastards.
Morning Christy! Gray and probably drizzly (haven’t ventured outside yet). Just finished my coffee and am getting ready to go to work. You’ve intrigued me with this film, I’ll have to look for it when it comes out on DVD.
As far as how to get people involved? You do that already, with the work on this website. I’m sure I’m not the only person FDL has inspired to start calling and faxing congress critters, sending in letters to newspapers and so on. I’ve seen plenty in the comments to know I’m not the only one… so Kudos to the team of writers at FDL!
leinie @ 12
We were in Sam Weller’s bookstore in downtown Salt Lake yesterday (it’s cool, check it out if you’re there) and there was a poster for Kucinich, which contained the line “Vote Kucinich, the only true Democrat”. We both remarked how sad it is that we’re currently supporting Obama, because he’s the candidate who has a chance as getting the nomination, who most closely reflects our values. We actually agree more with Kucinich’s positions, but he has no chance. It sucks.
Narcissa Malfoy has been cast for movie 6. Oops! I forgot I was not on a fan site. Did anyone see Queen? Maybe I should ask if anyone didn’t see Queen. The actress chosen to play Narcissa was Tony Blair’s wife in that film.
I was always amazed by the fact that it was Robert Redford who was, after all, instrumental in the production of All the President’s Men. It was a brilliant stroke, to be sure.
“Disgust”. “Fear”. “Simmering anger” (for Lahoma and I, the anger has boiled over). And like Redford we refuse to align ourselves with Hillary/Barack and certainly not Rudy/Mitt. I suppose one could say my lady and me are two really pissed-off Democrats. Angry at the Republicans, and even angrier at our party.
We need “long memories” and the determination to gradually change public opinion so that the demand for justice comes from the bottom up. There is no statute of limitations for the US 1996 War Crimes Law.
This is a example of what needs to be done.
The criminals who have shredded the Constitution, tortured and killed a million people need to be brought to justice; even if it take 65 years.
Boy oh boy. I hear what you are saying but this morning, post last night’s debacle, I am finding difficulty in being positive. I made my calls, I sent my emails and I even faxed a few of the more recalcitrant beltway bastards and yet I wake up this morning to find that not one democrat had the balls to filibuster the vote for the water boarder in chief. I think I need to take a few days off from calling and emailing as I stand in danger of saying what I really think of the swines in congress.
PS Morning Christy and thanks for the post
Thank you Christy.
This is yet another very inspiring post. We need to keep our eye on the ball, not the outfield fence. We’ll have time to look at the fence when the ball is sailing over it.
btw, I haven’t yet seen the movie — so I have absolutely no idea if it’s well done or a clunker. But I tend to be a sucker for Robert Redford and Meryl Streep in anything. (Out Of Africa? Ahhhhhhh…the hair washing scene…) And think piece type movies have always been my fave.
Can’t speak to how good the film is until I see it, but I love that it is asking questions that need answers from all of us.
I agree that for the moment we will need to find our satisfaction in the making the fight as opposed to achieving results. The invertebrates punked us again last night.
Glenn Greenwald makes an excellent point today. It is about our invertebrates new math. It seems for W. to get something done in the Senate requires only a simple majority, but we need 60 votes.
Yes, we should continue to put up a good fight, but we need to understand for the sake of our mental stability that we are going to achieve very little until we elect a Democratic President.
alank @ 15
and don’t forget The Candidate
Christy Hardin Smith @ 20
I’ll let you know.
old gold @ 21
I agree. I’m sitting here stewing because I decided not to go to the 25th Anniversay of the Wall since they chose to have Colin Powell as the keynote. Some of my pals are already there and I know I’ll haved mixed emotions Sunday during the ceremony. Does it matter that I am not going? Not to anyone except me but I guess that’ll have to be enough.
“Blessed are those who thirst for justice, for they will be satisfied.”
Matthew 5:6
alank at 15 — oooh, I love Helen McCrory’s work. Excellent. And Jim Broadbent as Slughorn is inspired. Thanks for the link on that!
CHS @ 20
Roger Moore, the ONLY film critic I trust, says it’s too preachy and smug.
Roger Moore Lions for Lambs review
That’s ok. Just cuz I trust him, doesn’t mean I always agree with him, and Tom Cruise had to have SOME influence on the outcome, right?
well we have already been told my msgop’s culture warrior the mayor of looneyville’s shill Willie Giest that this movie will be a failure becausse it has a political message .
Can someone please point out why most of my party “leadership” seems so cowardly, relative to Bush, the neocons and the GOP. I’m thinking of Mukasey, Kyle-Lieberman, Iraq, Iran, the Patriot Act, etc. here.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 29
OKK, a question for the ages. Terrified of Preznit 28%, WTF? Why?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 29
You can’t see this, but I’ve pulled out my wallet and I’m pointing to a $20 bill right now. (I don’t have anything bigger, but the larger denominations have much more influence).
PeteCO @ 14
Seriously?I think Obama is an acolyte of the conservative/& formerly HoJoe wing of the party. He’s said in debate in that famous exchange with Gravel, all options are on the table for Iran re: nukes. He reiterated Russert talking points on social security to disingenuously bash Hillary in the last debate on (I am not a Hilary supporter, but I found that appalling) And he’s a master equivocater, just like HoJoe was.
SufiLizard @ 31
Are we saying money talks and B.S. walks?
Personally I think SciFi is one of the best vehicles for making edgy commentary on society.
leinie @ 27
Did Hubbard and Xenu give it two thetans up?
Morning, Christy, et al.
It’s chilly and cloudy in my part of Upstate New York (Solai’s part may be under snow – I have not checked). I’m feeling a little bit “down in the mouth” this morning after last night. BUT, as my favorite political activist, Scarlet O’Hara says, “Tomorrow is another day.” (she also said, “I’ll never be hungry again while gnawing on a root out of the ground, but that’s another story altogether)
I’ll tell you what trained ME for this moment in time: Taking care of my mom when she had Multiple Infarct Dementia. MID is NOT like Alzheimer’s — it’s not this long slow decline. Every day it’s different. Every moment, it’s different. You can start the day with the person seeing aliens coming through the walls and refusing to take meds because they feel you are trying to poison them – and halfway through the day, you can have someone who will start talking to you about stock prices and whether or not we had enough fuel oil in the tank. I had a Saturday once where she sat on the edge of the bed for most of the day staring out the window not knowing who I was, where she was, or anything else. But she woke up from a nap and looked me right in the eye and said, “I’m losing my mind, aren’t I?” and proceded to make me take out pen and paper and take down 45 min. of closely worded directions to the lawyers, the bank guy who was paying her bills, my kids, and who was going to get what in the house. And she signed it with “I’m in my right mind right this minute” and her signature. When she started, I quickly called my sister up on the cell so that she could share that moment – we did not know how long it would last. Afterwards, my mother asked for a cup of tea – by the time I got back with it, she was asleep and when she woke up, the aliens were back.
The point is, you never know what is going to happen and you have to be ready for it, to take advantage of that moment. If we decide to stick our heads under the covers, hoping that somehow, some way, this will all sort of go away or get fixed or something in the next election, then we are cooked. Why do we think Bush and Cheney and these guys are going so crazy right now with Mukasy, etc.? The sleeping giant woke up and is starting to make real noise. It did not work – they are really concerned. Yes, there are a lot of people out there who are still hoping that this will all go away – but the more noise we make and the more we rattle the cage, more of them will wake up. I see it locally – we are not a really big political town here, but in my email this morning was an invitation to help organize a local chapter of CodePink. Now, if I lived in Ithaca, which is about an hour away, I’d be amazed that it had taken this long. Ithaca has two colleges and a long history of rebellion (they had a Communist mayor for a while). My town is filled with engineers and computer programmers – not a big liberal thing – AND YET…and yet…this is a big deal. Code Pink HERE. NOW. This is a big change.
So, as Scarlet says, tomorrow IS another day. Every day is a fresh start. Every day we have an opportunity to push the ocean liner a little bit to change the direction. Every day.
Every day I talk about firedoglake. Every day I talk to people I know and meet in the store and at the gas station and I remind them that what they think counts and that they deserve to know the truth.
It’s a job. But after dealing with my mom, I know, deep down, that you have to be ready every day…every minute…because, they want us to go back to sleep, to just dream of democracy.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 33
No, I think they both talk. It’s truth, justice and the American way that’ve been told to take a hike.
Elliott @ 22
I don’t think I’ve ever seen that one.
OT….
link
There are alternatives to Hillary/Obama And Rudy/Mitt. The primaries can make all the difference.
mui at 34 — Absolutely. I think back on all the Asimov and Le Guin and Ellison and…well, everything I could get my hands on to read that was science fiction growing up, even the stuff I utterly disagreed with in Heinlein’s attitudes toward women. *G* Loved it then, still love it now.
(…and one of these days, I’ll find time to get back to writing some fiction. I’m beginning to get the itch again.)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 40
That is true, I need to move to a state where my vote will actually matter in the primaries.
It’s been so long since I’ve heard truth and experienced the beauty of justice.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 26
I was taken aback by the casting of the brilliant but tall actor, Jim Broadbent, as Prof. Slughorn. But wifey thinks it’s a brilliant choice, tho, she was rather keen on Bob Hoskins of Thick as Thieves fame.
CHS:
“Personally, I’ve stopped relying on the end result, and started concentrating on the fight itself.”
Well said. A while back you could have found a lot of contrarian commenters criticizing posters and other commenters for being naive about the Democrats. With the succession of betrayals we’ve endured over the summer and fall one might have expected such skeptics to exult in vindication and the objects of their criticism to become dispirited. But that’s not the mood at all. The fight is endless. Keep it energizing.
alank @ 38
catch it!
Sam Cooke – Change Gonna Come (youtube)
Christy, Wonderful post on an incredibly beautiful morning.
SufiLizard @ 42
Another sad comment on the political process..We need to move to Iowa, NH or So. Carolina so our opinions count.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 41
Maybe I’ll beat you to the punch. There’s so much to be said, and its much easier if you say it allegorically and place it on a distant planet. I often wonder what X-files would be like if the show had been written during the ChmpCO administration. I thought that show was one great big allegory for fear citizens have of government secrecy (I mean they could even be hiding aliens, right?)
What exactly are “American values” today? Surely it must mean more than just trying to make ends meet.
ES at 47 — Glad you enjoyed the post. And thanks much for the Sam Cooke link. Love his voice on that song. Just what I needed this morning!
And if we are talking about Redford political commentary movies, don’t forget “The Way We Were.” The Candidate is very well done, as is All The President’s Men, but The Way We Were is very subtle in how it skewers political process and worth a watch as well.
We can add Margaret Atwood to that Scifi list.
(((Toby Wollin)))
it isn’t easy but you know deep down it isn’t thankless
Christy! If you like ‘think’ movies with Redford, rent “Three Days of the Condor.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T…..the_Condor
“Joe Turner (Robert Redford) is a CIA employee who works in a clandestine office in New York City. He is not a field agent, and indeed is disdainful of Agency discipline; his job is to read books, newspapers, and magazines from around the world, looking for hidden meanings. As part of his duties, Turner files a report to CIA headquarters on a low-quality thriller novel his office has been reading, pointing out strange plot elements therein, and the unusual assortment of languages in which the book has been translated (Arabic, but not French, for example).”
Toby Wollin@36
Thank you for your elegant words and thoughts
The Iraq War was waged for one reason, to secure the hegemony of the US Dollar. Control the oil, you control the currency. By waging war, Bush and Congress’s policy of not raising taxes to pay for the wars, instead selling US debt to foreign countries, namely Japan and China, as the holders of US debt has accelerated the demise of the dollar’s hegemony as the World Reserve Currency. Bush and Congress has sold us and our progeny into indentured servitude.
Daniel Webster, speech in the Senate, 1833: “We are in danger of being overwhelmed with irredeemable paper, mere paper, representing not gold nor silver; no sir, representing nothing but broken promises, bad faith, bankrupt corporations, cheated creditors and a ruined people.”
“All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.” John Adams
For my working comrades:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2AjiSwBZoc
great dialogue, here, all. . .
i’ve whipped up a graphic, a
tangent off the lines of the brain-
storming yesterday — in response
to txbetsy — about what the
confirmation of michael mukasey
tells the world about our nation.
do take a look.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 41
The one thing I loved about the sci-fi writers like Asimov, Heinlein, Herbert, Dickinson, Haldeman etc was the inherent optimism in their writing. They all wrote with the belief that somehow or other, we will manage to avoid killing each other on this planet and will be able to escape to the stars.
That plus the creativity to be able to invent these future worlds and civilizations of humans amongst the stars, however we evolve.
In the Valley Of Elah is another good movie of recent vintage, an compelling story with Tommy Lee Jones. It will be interesting if he gets a nod for an Oscar, along with some from Redford’s movie.
Mui — It’s an endless list, isn’t it? I could sit here and type names for an hour and not come close to naming all my faves. Octavia Butler certainly deserves a mention as well. As does a good friend of mine, David Coe, who writes fantasy — love his work, with its environmental questions woven into the background as well as social class structure quetions. And so long as we mention fantasy, can’t forget George R. R. Martin. And on and on and on…
raven @ 24
With great respect to Raven, old gold, Ms. Smith, and others….I DISAGREE.
It’s all about WINNING. For me, anything less will never suffice. I don’t think we should ever be “happy” in making the fight, or just in participation. Losing is losing. And only the WINNER gets what he/she wants.
But WINNING is not always fair, or pretty, or genteel, or warm & fuzzy. It can be mean and nasty. It can be ugly. But I just think, that until my Democrats learn a little “nasty”….they’ll remain, as has been written by others, nothing more than good ole Charlie Brown confronting that Lucy and the football.
I prefer to WIN. Period.
Respectfully,
Ghostman
Speaking of sci-fi, here is the money quote from the Gamma Quadrant last night:
Schumer: “Mukasey is wrong on torture-dead wrong.”
After saying that Schumer then voted for him as Attorney General of the United States!
Dakine — I love Joe Haldeman’s work. He’s also one of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet. :)
Ghostman @ 62
I’m cool with that. The Wall is hallowed ground to me and it’s not the place I’ll be trying to win or lose anything.
Ghostman at 62 — Good lord, who said I didn’t want to win? I’m just talking about the long view rather than the every little pothole one. We get lost in the potholes sometimes instead of taking the long-term strategy viewpoint…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 66
Oh, you are Ms. Smith! What was I thinking?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 64
Like most authors, I discovered his stuff by accident. A neighbor was getting rid of some books and gave them to me. One of them was one of his early pieces titled Mindbridge. From there, it was searching out his name at the bookstore.
If you like ‘think’ sci-fi books, then, like my cousin says, “The first 60 pages of ‘Snow Crash’ have 60 movies in them.”
http://www.amazon.com/Snow-Cra…..0553380958
“A breakneck-paced 21st-century novel, Snow Crash interweaves everything from Sumerian myth to visions of a postmodern civilization on the brink of collapse. Faster than the speed of television and a whole lot more fun, Snow Crash is the portrayal of a future that is bizarre enough to be plausible.”
Republicans or Democrats. The time has perhaps come when Americans hunger for more choices.
Morning folks,
Snow on the mountains here in VT.
Thanks for that Christy. So easy to be overwhelmed by disgust and cynicism. But where does that get you? And what will you say to your kids and grandkids?
CHS @ 66
Ghostman @ 62
This is the classic process vs results argument.
If you focuss too much on the metrics, the process suffers.
If you focus too much on the process you can miss the objective.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 61
I am going to have to read your friend. Fantasy /Sci Fi really sort of bleed into each other, don’t they. Recently I’ve been turned onto Paula Volsky, who reworks history into fantasy but in a smart way.
Dakine01— I haven’t read Herbert books in a while, but I found a kind of depressivness in there. There is a kind of formula, when things are at the worst, light somehow filters in. But that can somehow seem forced. I do love Stephen King’s “scooby gangs” though.
Mr Kipling pointed out
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
I think of asTriumph and Disaster as winning and losing.
Ghostman @ 62
I get your point, but this is a game that never ends. If we ever get to the point where we feel we’ve “won” we’ll inevitably drop our guard and we’ll be right back here again.
And besides, to go with the baseball analogy I made earlier, if you’re staring at the back fence the whole time you’ll never hit the ball. And thus you can’t win.
In football, you don’t just throw a hail mary to the end zone on every down.
In politics, like sports, it’s usually focusing on the little things that leads to victory.
nomolos @ 18
And not one of the 4 Democratic Senators who think they should be Presdident bothered to even show up to vote. Only one more would have allowed Mukasey’s nomination to be filibustered. Just one.
All four Democratic Senators running for President — Biden, Clinton, Dodd, and Obama — did not cast votes. Why should I cast MY vote for any of them? Why?
None of these vaunted Senators could bother to back up their “opposition” to Mukasey with a recorded vote. Not one of them had the courage and decisiveness to actually commit to such an important vote. Why should I believe that as President they’d do any better? This was the real thing. This was one of the most important votes in the Senate in our lifetime. And they couldn’t make a stand.
Cowards.
I’m sick of cowards in the White House.
Who’s left? I hope Governor Richardson is up to the job, because after last night’s vote I know none of the Senators running are.
Good Morning … it is the 40’s in Portland OR …Brr for this desert person… will be heading up to Seattle today …
Seattle Firepup Meetup Saturday Nov 10th 11am – 1 pm
2504 4th Ave
Seattle, WA
Please join us
I just watched hagel counter something bolton said in a clip
bolton has the nerve to say we shouldn’t engage in talks with Iran…what a moron
hagel comes back with valid points but something occurred to me;
when someone is confronted with a clip from a neo con that contradicts the position we want to take the person should just say something like;
“do you think it MIGHT be a good idea to have someone who hasn’t been wrong express that opinion?…it doesn’t make any kind of sense for you to bring on the morons who have never been right and ask me to defend my position
now, if you want to get someone on a clip who has a record of being correct, we could then have a valuable discussion, but to trot out political pundits that haves shown themselves as morons and ask me to comment on their moronic position doesn’t make much sense”
I know I’m fantasizing but that’s really what I would like to see democrats start to do…that being they need to discredit the neo con pundit and embarrass them so the station has a hard time using these neo con idiots as experts
I am going to have to read Haldeman too. Sorry about frank herbert mispelling.
SufiLizard @ 75
And in Vietnam we “never lost a battle”.
Speaking of Sci-fi (well kinda) and movies; the Golden Compass is coming out in Dec. I am surprised that there hasn’t been more howling from the fundies.
Sci Fi: Ursula LeGuin. I always loved Left Hand of Darkness. The sense that gender was not an issue, nor what time, what place the story was set. What world, past or future? Didn’t matter, a timeless tale of beings and connection.
She writes great kids stories too – Catwings.
The Mukasey vote: two words: Obama and Clinton. And Biden too? Not voting? Sit it out on the fence? And they think this is presidential? I’d rather an open betrayal – a la Schumer. Less bullshit.
Jim the cynic @ 76
I’m inclined to want to go easy on Dodd for some reason.
Let the sun shine in. Between the Republican and Democratic parties on Middle East policy.
Jim at 76 — They could not have filibustered even if they had wanted to — Reid entered an agreed resolution on the vote yesterday which foreclosed the issue of a filibuster upon its filing, as I understand the procedural ins and outs on this.
Reid has got to go.
katymine @ 77
Good morning Katymine.
Have a nice trip and watch for rain.
I hope you have a good turnout in Seattle and say hello to the Firepups up north.
American values? Mukasey?
Steve at 81 — Oh, there has been. I keep getting chain e-mails from relatives which tell me that if I see this movie, I will be repudiating God. There’s been a lot of hoo haw, it just isn’t being reported in the media much. (Although there was an interview with Philip Pullman discussing his athiesm in one of the news mags that did get some play a while back, I seem to remember…
PeteCO @ 14
As a lifelong Democrat, who has supported Edmund Muskie and Frank Church for nomination, I can say it has always been this way. Still, I’ve always found a way to support the eventual nominee.
1. raven: my comment was directed towards the more general “participation” aspect. As to your decisions on The Wall….that’s part of you, you lived it. I have no bones to pick on whatever your decision might be on The Wall. I’ll support whatever your decision might be 100%. [oh, does Powell not yet realize that he might profit more from simply STFU’ing?]
2. on a somewhat related note….is it correct that the majority of presidential candidates did NOT EVEN SHOW UP to cast a vote on the chief law enforcement officer of the United States of America??? That is shameful. Shameful.
Ghostman
Christy Hardin Smith @ 85
The minute that Chuck & Di said they would vote for Mukasey, I knew it was a done deal.
Did anyone catch the interview by Ed Schultz yesterday with Debbie Wasserman Schultz about the Impeachment resolution? Since I do not listen to Big Ed usually, boy did he go after her about not being willing to hold people accountable.
carolyn at 82 — I have heard, though not been able to confirm independently as yet so this is on rumor status at the moment, that a number of the presidentials were at campaign events and not given any sense ahead of time that this vote would be coming yesterday. No idea why the vote would have been scheduled on the fly — or at night — or what was involved. But if and when I get more detail on that, and whether or not there was any advance notice or whether this was a surprise scheduling, I’ll let folks know.
At the moment, it’s a mystery and I’m trying to untangle it…
mui @ 73:
I enjoyed most all of the Dune series as much for how he was able to tie everything back together. Same with how Asimov was able to tie the Robot and Foundation series together. But I also enjoyed a number of Herbert’s other than Dune stuff. But that’s the same reason I enjoyed Gordon Dickinson, Stephen R Donaldson and Anne McCaffrey. It’s the creativity of developing an entire alternative universe/world/whatever out of nothing that seems to fascinate me most.
Ghostman @ 91
Roger that.
carolyn urban @ 86
The view here is in addition to Reid; Obama, Pelosi, Hoyer, Feinstein, Lieberman, Hillary, Rahm, Harold Ford Jr., and a bunch of others have got to go.
Dems can’t get a bill passed without at least ten goopers supporting it. That eliminates anything controversial…the job of this senate is to hold the fort and keep Clusterfuck from doing any more damage- if and when there is a dem in the White House- we can control the agenda–(except for the filibuster).
The next year will be frustrating- and not much will happen- it’s all in the numbers.
What’s this Golden Compass thing all about? I have to admit I don’t know anything about the movie. I’m guessing by the comments it’s probably based on a sci-fi or fantasy novel?
Is that correct? I’m also guessing it has some “Christians” up in arms.
A little OT……
Patrick Fitzgerald will be speaking about the proposed federal shield law at the Annual Convention of the National Communication Association. (The theme of the convention is Faith-Intellect-Ethics, hmm.)
Friday, November 16
“Justice Talking” Comes to NCA: Taping of Live Debate for Broadcast on NPR, Guests include Patrick Fitzgerald, the US Attorney who prosecuted the “Scooter” Libby case, will be speaking about the proposed federal reporter
shield law. Robert Bauer and Trevor Potter will be debating political speech and campaign finance.
9:30 a.m. Chicago Hilton, Lake Michigan
WEB SITE: http://www.natcom.org/convention
Toby @36, you described my experience with my mother who had the same condition….
Beautiful day here in TX, and the roses and other flowers are putting on a great fall display, although it sort of still feels like summer.
My favorite Redford movie is Jeremiah Johnson.
Perhaps Mukasey will surprise us in the end and help put Humpty Dumpty DOJ back together again, at least to some degree…we have to live with it at this point and hope for the best.
All we can do is keep shining light into all the little dark corners and the big dark corners….and don’t let them bring your spirits down. Just fight on.
Raven, none of my business but you brought it up, I wouldn’t let Colin Powell get between me and the fallen…you could always go, and turn your back on Powell…but still be there for their memories…just sayin’…I know you’ll do what is best in any case.
Having finished my rant, I would like to add my 2 cents on valuing American values. I recently watched Hollywoodland. It doesn’t portray America in the best of lights. But it does show something about our need to know the truth, to find love, and to have something or someone worth looking up to. That led me to the Superman tv series. As hokey as it, and Superman, was, it has something we can look toward — Superman.
Yes. Superman.
Superman stood for Truth, Justice and the American Way.
I’ve felt since November of 2000 that Truth has flown out of the window. The sum total of Cheney and Bush’s actions have trampled on Justice until Justice is barely breathing. As for the American Way, it is something very subjective and difficult to pin down. We see this with so many believing that what we’re doing in Iraq is noble and necessary, while the numbers in livid opposition to our unnecessary invasion and occupation, while starting small, have burgeoned into an overwhelming majority.
Why the change in heart? Why the change in belief that war in Iraq is not the American Way? I don’t know exactly. But I am glad to talk about it. And perhaps THAT is the American Way
Thank you Christy. You really do get it. You really are Super. To me you really do stand for Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
The floor vote was “fiction”. If it came to a cloture vote, it would have been ~68 for. Anger at Kabuki is not worth the energy expenditure.Christy Hardin Smith @ 89
My 14 yo great-niece recommended it. I down loaded all three volumes onto to the I-Pod and did a 6k read trip. For a “teen” book, the scientific concepts are quite arcane.
My favorite Redford movie is Jeremiah Johnson.
Watch yer topknot.
I posted this last night but here again is the Mukasey vote breakdown:
The Mukasey confirmation vote 53-40, the Democrats who voted for:
Bayh (D-IN)
Carper (D-DE)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Nelson (D-NE)
Schumer (D-NY)
No Republicans voted against.
The 7 Not Voting:
Alexander (R-TN)
Biden (D-DE)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Dodd (D-CT)
McCain (R-AZ)
Obama (D-IL)
http://www.senate.gov/legislat…..vote=00407
So for any of you wondering out there, Mukasey’s nomination could have been successfully filibustered and cloture would have failed. This is, of course, assuming that all of the Democrats who voted against Mukasey would have continued to do so. The way Reid structured the vote made it largely cosmetic allowing Democrats to vote against while seeing the motion succeed. Even so, with the 4 Presidential candidate votes, it is likely that the Mukasey nomination would have failed, if, of course, the fix had not already been in.
That fix involved Reid’s perfidious unanimous consent agreement that no Democratic Senator objected to and the walk which all the Presidential candidates took which was certainly no accident.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 93
Ooo..that is an interesting point..people knew they were gone, it was suddenly scheduled, and someone figured that people would jump their cases for not voting…something stinks…not saying that’s what happened, but could be.
raven @ 103
never a Redford fan but I loved “the natural”…best movie baseball scene ever, homerun ball hitting the lights
Sufi — It’s based on a fantasy triology from Philipp Pullman about the struggle between belief and reality. It is extremely well-written and thought-provoking, it’s done in a beautifully rendered tale of some amazing creatures and adventures. And in the end of the entire trilogy, the heroine, who is a little girl, literally and figuratively, kills god.
So, yes, there is a bit of tension between the work and organized religion, which is the underlying tension in the work itself. It’s really a fictional masterpiece, and extrememly thought provoking…but when your objective is to substitute lock-step acceptance for independent thought, then you of course have a bit of conflict. Which is what propels the entire work in the first place.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 64
And he does a mean version of Buffet’s “Margaritaville.” (That’s how I met him, he was playing that by the pool at a Midwestcon many, many years ago.
George R. R. Martin is a sweetheart, too.
Christy,
I’m late to the party on this post, but I can’t thank you enough for making the point that it is the struggle and not the outcome that matters. Our country has fallen into a deep deep hole that ordinary people in it don’t understand or even recognize. Our struggle to reconstitute a functioning democracy keeps the dream alive. It can’t be permanently suppressed. The Mukasey vote was deeply depressing, no matter what private agreements he may have made with Schumer to pave the way, but in the end it is just one more superficial manifestation of a deeper malaise. Americans have forgotten how to govern themselves, and their governors do not want them to find out. We have to teach them.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 89
Interesting it seemed Pullman was the kind of young adult/sci fi that would normally pass the censors. Now its being added to the Bridge to Terabithia list as we speak. Fundamentalist types across the country really get worked up about childrens books, when for as long as I can remember fantasy and children on their own, disenfranchisement from the “adult” world and magic.
The first in a trilogy called “His Dark Materials” by Philip Pullman, an amazingly imaginative story that I won’t be able to do justice to – set recognizably in our world, but oh so different. Read it with my son several years back with no idea what it would be like. Starts sort of strangely and then keeps opening out into the most wildly inventive fictional landscape. Has become a classic along the lines of LOTR and Lion Witch and Wardrobe (much better, though, than the latter.) For sophisticated older kids, and adults too.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 93
We will never know..but the bottom line was the votes weren’t there. Who knows, Hatch may have threatened to mess with SCHIP if the Dems tried procedural “tricks” against Murkasey. The “word” was that if there was a “No” vote in SJC, Reid was going to file a discharge petition.
LS @ 105
I am not sure what time of day the consent agreement was done but there were 5 hours of debate. Unless all of the candidates were on the West Coast, I’m betting that most of them could have made it back in time. The fact that none of them did is telling.
Hugh @ 113
Where I’m from they are called weasels.
Actually, reading this discussion made me think about you raven. I still remember your “twarnt Mormins” comment from months ago that did damage to my keyboard. I loved that film too.
“a change is gonna come” (Redd)
Yep- in about one year- and we can help determine what the shape and magnitude of that change will be..
My political views are generally in the minority- so I don’t EVER expect to see a government that matches my beliefs- but I do expect a massive change from the immoral cesspool and display of incompetence we have seen for seven long years.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 107
I only read the one where they were trying to amputate kids from their familiars, creatures. But Christy that’s a fabulous review. It makes me feel like I missed the boat when I passed up the rest.
carolyn urban @ 115
But by god it was a genuine Hawken!
Pretend for a moment. Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein and Hillary Clinton are running for the Democratic presidential nomination. Which one would you cast your vote for?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 85
Christy,
Thanks for the clarification. I confess my ignorance on procedural matters, and I profess my undying gratitude for your filling me in. Now I don’t feel like we actually had a chance to prevent his confirmation.
However, (and this is a BIG however)the four Democratic candidates for President did not vote against Mukasey. They said they were opposed to him, but they didn’t actually vote against him. They ducked the issue. I have great difficulty believing that any of them have the moral integrity to to be President. When it really counted, they would not stand behind their words.
Please, tell me why I should think they’ll govern as President any differently.
CHS at 107
Thanks, I’m intrigued. I’ve been looking for some good fantasy fiction to read now that I’m about done with the Narnia series.
I was always into comics as a kid (and into adulthood) so it would seem natural for me to read sci-fi and fantasy fiction, but until recently I never really did.
I read a lot, but it was always more literary fiction. I read all of Kerouac, I’ve read everything Tom Robbins has ever written. But besides the Mists of Avalon I hadn’t really read any fantasy fiction.
But thanks to Marion Zimmer-Bradley, I finally came late to the fantasy party. I read all of Tolkein and then got started on the Narnia series that I had gotten for my 10-year-old son for Christmas last year.
I read a lot of non-fiction too, but I find I can’t read it in the evening, because then I can’t sleep — my brain just gets cranking on whatever topic I’m reading.
So I’ve learned I need fantasy at bedtime. Then I go right to sleep and have pleasantly bizarre dreams.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 119
Lahoma
Sufi — Pullman’s work on this trilogy was meant to be an answer to the Narnia series in a lot of respects. So it would be a fantastic follow-up to your reading.
I think there’s an unspoken, but very real, Presidential Candidate courtesy that allows them to pass on controversial votes if their vote won’t make the difference.
Expect to see more of this.
Not to get all tinfoilly, but I think Cornyn and Alexander are tracking along with the Candidates because they are the unspoken, but designated #1 and #2, replacements for Bush and/or Cheney should they leave office before 01/09.
The courtesy keeps the major players from ‘current’ controversy, as a means of doing something that Our Country was one of the first in History to ever do – facilitate a smooth transition of power. I’m adding that Cornyn (as a fellow Texan, he’d pardon Bush and Cheney in a heartbeat) and Alexander (doormat) represent prudent place-holders in the event Bush and Cheney get called to account for their malfeasance.
perris @ 106
I’m a Redford fan. “The Natural”. Gawd I love that flick.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 119
Could I just expatriate?
raven @ 122
;0)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 123
Thanks I’ll look into that. If I can afford to buy books in the near future. Unfortunately my local library won’t be much help unless I want to read some Dean Kootz or Danielle Steele.
I’ve never seen such a pathetic collection of books in my life.
For darkest moments, I save my vhs of “1776″ – yes, it’s a mite simplistic, but it has its moments. “Is anybody there? Does anybody care? Does anybody see what I see?”
Genius.
Sufi — There’s always inter-library loan. The Pullman series has been out for a while, so if there is a used book store near you, you can likely find a copy of all three books fairly inexpensively.
radiofreewill @ 69
That book ignited my love of Stephenson’s prose for the sheer fun of that snark of his. If anything? It’s even more relevent now, and if you really want to read his environmental stuff? Read Zodiac. Shorter, even faster paced but ye gods i love how he writes Sangemon Taylor’s view of the world. XD
Steve-AR @ 81
I got an email from my boss yesterday (I work at a church daycare) warning about this movie. Hide your children! Brainwashing! Evil! An E-ticket straight to hell!! You get the picture. Let the War on Christmas begin. /s
Hugh @ 104
The nomination by unanimous consent usually occurs when the minority can’t gain anything by objecting. S’funny how that seems to work against the Dems when they are in the majority.
SufiLizard @ 121
Robin Mckinley and Gregory MaGuire rework classic stories. Paula Volsky reworks history but in a gore way. Still there’s a lot of interesting stuff out there. Sometimes browsing the most beaten up out of the way used book stores with shelves full of novels marked 35 cents is a good way to discover stuff that libraries have long taken out of circulation due to limited interest.
Sufi, you might want to look for Mary Stewarts Merlin trilogy – the first one is Crystal Cave. She’s fabulous.
madmommy @ 132
You wouldn’t believe how much i’m looking forward to that. It’s steampunk fiction with a lot to say and from all i’ve seen? The adaptation looks dead on. So i’m all fidgety with want to see just how well it translates to the big screen.
Good Morning Everyone.
Thank you Christy. I’ve been ‘involved in the fight’ one way or another for decades. I value your judgement, skills, and determination beyond measure.
I write to report a new wrinkle in senatorial abuse-of-office.
I quote below one of FOUR, I repeat, FOUR identical e-mails sent to me from OH Sen. Voinovich in the space of one week. Each was sent to me in response to a separate, personally-worded, respectful letter from me to the senator – each letter of mine on a different topic. The senator, at least until the ‘08 election results kicks him where it’ll do the most good, obviously is heeding wrong-headed advice that a demeaning, insulting, evasive, one-size-fits-all, non-response should serve just fine as a new, handy-dandy way to deal with any and all questions or comments from his constituents. Before you say it, yes, I have a pretty good idea where my letters are sent, probably without ever being read…
I reprint below. You decide. Is this proper representation by a duly elected senator coming up for re-election? (btw, I followed the advice on filling out his little information form precisely as directed, and I have always done so.)
Hizzoner’s letter:
[no heading was on the letter]
Methinks the senator is digging a pretty deep hole for hissownself, assuming he’s sending multiples of this same non-response to all constituents who write him. If any Ohio Dems know a good candidate for Mr. V’s seat, RUN, DON’T WALK! to the nearest supply of petitions and fill ‘um up! This seat is ripe for the picking. I’m counting the hours till Jan. ‘09.
In the meantime, heqq, I suppose he & I could just go ’round & ’round if I fwded hisownscreed back to him in some fashion. hmmmm.
SufiLizard @ 126
That’s not an option. And if you refuse to vote you will be subjected to a night in a dimly lit, and locked leather-room in the company of Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin.
Meanwhile, that huge storm in Europe is about to hit the Netherlands, and they have closed their sea barrier for the first time…huge storm surge expected:
http://www.news.com.au/heralds…..63,00.html
Looking forward to the Pullman film which should stand out in the bleak world of filmdom.
Will make an effort to watch (rewatch?) The Candidate.
I was fearful of admitting to being a fan of the Jeremiah Johnson flick. Beautifully shot.
Yeah, makes sense. Torture is fine, preemptive war, even nuclear if need be, illegal rendition, reprisals against political enemies, destruction of the Constitution, War against gays, against brown skinned people, all fine. But fiction? Nasty nasty stamp it out.
Ghostman @ 62
I respectfully disagree. You can win without compromising your principles and with honor, but you do need to learn to step in when you punch, and don’t stop until they’re down.
From the Congressional Record yesterday just before the 5 hours of debate began so about 5:30 ET.
and
It is clear from this that arrangements were being made throughout the day. Reid had not only cut a deal with McConnell but he had a list of which Democrats wanted to speak and for how long. So they all knew about this earlier in the day. The debate was not sprung on anyone. If the Democratic speakers knew about this, you better believe the offices of the various Democratic Presidential candidates knew about it too. There is no excuse for what Reid did, what all the Democrats did by not objecting to the unanimous consent agreement, and what the 4 Democratic Presidential candidates who are Senators did. The only secrets were the ones they hoped to put over on us.
((((Toby at 36))))
SufiLizard @ 121,
I really like the fantasy/sci-fi series done by Lois McMaster Bujold.
Someone else here is a fan of hers…I think it’s newdealfarmgirl. Very long-running series.
link
Sorry the block quote did not come out right on comment @142.
Ghostman’s statement ends after his name. [Mod: refresh]
LS @ 139
Not to worry. Hillary, the new enviro prez will be here soon.
rwcole @ 116
Comparing this cabal to a cesspool is defaming a large pool of shit.
Defecation of character, if you will.
-GSD
carolyn urban @ 141
It would be funny if it weren’t so tragic. We just can’t have these children thinking for themselves, they might figure out Adam and Eve didn’t really ride around on dinosaurs and the earth is much older than 2000 years.
*sigh*
Exactly and precisely, Hugh. Preceding that which you excerpted from yesterday’s CR @ 143, was this, early in the day on Thursday:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.go…..sition=all
Someone’s conscience (”a little wrinkle” in Harry Reid’s world view) got to them momentarily the night before, perhaps? And then Harry Reid’s enforcer Charles Schumer, the DSCC money man, got them to think better of it, and to allow the Senate to revert to its role as a powerless sieve, instead of a stalwart seawall, against the waves of unConstitutional abuse steadily crashing down on our and their heads from a lawless White House.
carolyn urban @ 141
Yes the ALA has a banned books list based on BS list librarians have had to deal with country wide. Ann Frank has even made it on there. Does she question G*d, don’t remember. But really.
Christy’s got a new one upstairs.
New thread from Christy:
Grasping For Power, With A Dash Of Desire To Be…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 70
the time has perhaps come when Americans should treat each and every election hurdle as the one-and-only most important, & leap every one with abundant room to spare?
nader, & years of schoolboardelection highjinks, cured me forever of trusting the math of 3-way elections.
Toby hits it out of the park.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 138
I always carry a good flashlight. They’d be toast!
GSD @ 148
at least a cesspool accomplishes something important.
Hugh @ 104..IMO the vote was fiction..If it was a real fight..Pryor, Lincoln, Baucus, Nelson (Bill) and probably McCaskill would have voted for cloture.rwcole @ 116
We said. IMO, all of the angst about being stabbed in the back by our own party, doesn’t help to accomplish the “goal”. More first then better.
mui @ 32
He’s not Hillary, and his biography qualifies him, in my view. He’s far from perfect, but Kucinich stands no chance. My support is based on pragmatism.
I was helping to quiz my teen last night in civics. They had a short list of news events for this week.
Gavin Newsom won second term as SF mayor.
Tom Lantos chides Yahoo’s CEO as a “moral pygmy” for doing business with China.
Ed Jew indicted on federal charges of fraud and bribery.
And the kicker:
House Resolution to impeach VP Cheney sent to committee.
First I felt like such a geek for having witnessed the proceedings, sort of understanding the result, and the significance of it all. But I could not begin to explain it to my daughter and how screwed it all could end up being for her.
I said “I’m sorry, but this is important. I know when I was your age, I would not be able to understand any of this, much less in all this detail. But nothing like this has EVER happened where our elected officials are trying to undermine the very government that we live with. It’s huge. And I hope you don’t end up living in some other kind of country than what I grew up in.”
She says “I know it’s messed up, mom”
I said “no, it’s always been messed up. It’s never been perfect. But now, it’s beyond messed up.”
Pretty grim stuff. My stamina has run out. Then this from CHS.
Just when I needed to hear it.
for me, the fight is to pull back the curtain so that we are no longer confused by the political theater and instead can see our government and it’s actions for what they really are.
on the mukasey nomination vote last night, i think what happened was that some of the dems who voted “no” (or didn’t vote) really wanted the nomination to pass (or didn’t care) – but they wanted to pretend otherwise. the rest of the dems, including those who voted “no”, wanted to help those dems deceive us… so they drew the curtain over what happened by not objecting to the unanimous consent agreement – which would have forced senators to cast real votes because a 60 vote majority would have been required for a cloture vote.
in addition, i have been told that there is a report that reid made some agreement with the Rs – trading the mukasey nomination for something to do with the defense spending bill. however, i’ve not been able to confirm this report and reid’s office will neither confirm nor deny it (let alone tell me what the deal was).
if anyone has contacts to persue it further, that would be great… i think i’ve gone as far as i can.
in the mean time, i think it makes sense for each of us to call our own senators who voted “no” but didn’t object or call for a fillibuster – and ask them why they didn’t object.
…and something for everyone is to call these 4 dems, who didn’t even vote – even though they all claim to be strongly opposed to the nomination deserve and they all want our vote in the presidental primaries:
dems not voting:
if any of the these senators actually did oppose mukasey’s nomination, they would have been present last night to object.
PeteCO @ 159
He’s got serious serious faults. And he’s HoJoe-lite. I believe now is the time to think bold. We got cowed into choosing Kerry over Dean. That was a mistake.
Steve-AR @ 158
Perhaps but then we would have known where everyone stood including the candidates. This way we only know for sure about the ones who voted for Mukasey. And if there had been a fight, it can also be agrued that some of the Senators you mentioned might have caved our way.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 88
The Values Party? repubbles? Whu? th? HEQQ!?!
NO NO NO!!!
mui @ 34
Late to the thread (lunchtime for me), but sci-fi is indeed great for exploring politics. On TV, I highly recommend Battlestar Galactica (the new one). They even explored why someone might rationally choose to become a suicide bomber and the conditions in which that act might not be considered evil. Going back a ways, Babylon 5 was quite good as well – a nice (in the sense of well-done) portrait of a descent into fascism (seasons 3 & 4 I think).
On the book front, check out some of the recent work from Greg Bear. The Hyperion series by Dan Simmons is truly excellent.
SteveInNC @ 165
Thanks will check all out. I go through authors quick.
selise @ 161
So even best case scenario, Reid and the Democrats have publicly caved on an issue for unspecified (probably non-existent) help from the Republicans later on which will likely go unreported (avoiding any hint of caving on the Republican side).
But realistically what could be so important in the defense bill that is worth confirming an Attorney General who backs torture and the unilateral Executive? It is not like Republicans are going to vote to cut off funds for their beloved Iraq war.
Also has Reid ever shown even a scintilla of benefit to our side from all of the cave-ins and sellouts he has engineered?
Hugh @ 167 –
no.
and no.
but i’d still like to know what his “deal” was – what 30 pieces of silver did he get?
Toby 36, LS 100, me too. My mom had extra wrinkle of harboring tremendous anger twd herself “for getting old”(!) To relieve her strain somewhat, I encouraged her tendency to turn her anger & frustration on me instead.
Not so sure I’d ever recommend, but it worked, sorta, and she eventually went at peace with herself.
Years later now. Still in recovery & have accepted that I probably always will be. Whew.
Old age is not for sissies.
Caregiving is not for sissies. ;->
(((Toby))) (((LS)))
p.s. i called my 2 senators’ offices, the four who voted “no”, leahy’s and reid’s office and the senate parlimentarian this morning.
Elliott @ 6
Thanks for the reminder, I am not good at slow slogs. My Frustration level reaches maximum output very quickly.
Okay off to the salt mines for bread and sustenance.
Have a good day all, don’t let these f*&ks rain on your parade.
selise @ 168
All this sounds like Reid loaned the Republicans the 30 pieces of silver, got an IOU for it (which they threw away), and thinks he came out on top.
Hugh @ 172
or maybe a bridge to nowhere in NV?
bg @ 60
second on in the valley of elah.
at the very end of the movie, tommy
lee jones — as a former military man,
and father, makes the most eloquent statement
of the movie — by saying nothing.
it is what he does that sez it all.
. . .a very strong statement, from the
perspective of those who have served.
p e a c e
raven @ 24
Go, and heckle the living shit out of the asshole. Have your buddies form a defensive group around you so that you can’t be pulled oout of the area. As Molly Ivens used to say” “Raise a little hell!”
For some time I thought the answer was to create a network of communities bound together by local issues as reflected by on line checkbooks. It then occurred to me that each community would be a blog with links to other blogs, just like this blog links to other blogs. It would be no more effective than blogs are today.
We must figure out a way to organize. Change won’t happen with phone calls or money aimed at this or that candidate. We need to speak with one voice after figuring out a way to decide what that voice is. We also need to be organized on local levels to hit these guys where they live. Nothing matters more to them than re-election. They will even vote against big contributors if they know next time around they lose their job for sure.
I confess I have no idea how to do it, but it is something we must give the highest priority. Change is up to us. If we wait for them it won’t happen.
“Honestly, I have never seen this level of disgust and simmering anger and fear and wholesale worry about where things will be for our nation’s children than I hear from friends and family these days — across the political spectrum.”
I believe you BUT what were they doing about this a year ago? 5 years ago? 10? 20? Yes, this has been slowly building since REAGAN. And that was over 25 years ago.
My interest was health care. I am not a doctor or nurse, but worked in a health insurance company 25 years ago. I saw what was going on. I started trying to warn Americans. Did they listen? No. You see, THEIR ox wasn’t being gored. They didn’t care about others. If I hear one more time how AMERICANS are so GENEROUS, I will scream. It is not true. They are, by and large, selfish. Do some of them give to charity? Yes, when they can write it off their taxes. (And please don’t bring up blogger reader contributions. I am not talking about them.)
Are SOME Americans generous? Sure! Are most? No! NOW more are for health care reform, but only when THEY are experiencing the hideous situations. Before that time, they just say, “I’ve got mine — screw you!”
I am sick of this.
and don’t forget The Candidate
Oh yes. And Quiz Show, The Great Waldo Pepper, Three Days of the Condor, and Ordinary People. Mr. Redford has a consistently interesting angle on heroism, among other things. And privilege.