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	<title>Comments on: Hoyer and Pelosi Draw Rahm&#8217;s Line &#8212; Hispanic Caucus Gets Shaft</title>
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		<title>By: brainsaladsurgery</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/09/hoyer-and-pelosi-draw-rahms-line-hispanic-caucus-gets-shaft/#comment-1089297</link>
		<dc:creator>brainsaladsurgery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am so sick of Hoyer and Emanuel! I would ask any self respecting Progressives in there District&lt;br /&gt;
to vote these turn-coat A-Holes out of office.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sick of Hoyer and Emanuel! I would ask any self respecting Progressives in there District<br />
to vote these turn-coat A-Holes out of office.</p>
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		<title>By: reusha2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>reusha2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The legal American citizens must take back OUR stewardship of this country. The people in Washington was hired by THE PEOPLE to REPRESENT THE PEOPLE of this country. If Washington do not want to do their JOB, local and state government have the right and responsibility to PROTECT the Legal citizens in the country. Local government is the first line of defense for its citizens, doesn’t matter whether the attack is foreign or domestic!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you are harmed in anyway by someone ILLEGALLY in the country, You can SUE  the ILLEGAL “Employer” for hiring,aiding, abetting and transporting ILLEGALS. You can SUE the local or state government whose sanctuary policies lead and helped caused your harm. You can SUE the transportation companies (air, land, sea), engaged in transporting ILLEGALS across OUR border!  You have a right to SUE a business for selling alcohol to ILLEGALS, if you are harmed because of their drunken state! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You have a right to be made whole, after injury from people who are not in the country Legally!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;GO AFTER THE PEOPLE AIDING/ABETTING, TRANSPORTING, EMPLOYING, AND SETTING POLICIES TO BRING THEM HERE!!!!!!!!!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The legal American citizens must take back OUR stewardship of this country. The people in Washington was hired by THE PEOPLE to REPRESENT THE PEOPLE of this country. If Washington do not want to do their JOB, local and state government have the right and responsibility to PROTECT the Legal citizens in the country. Local government is the first line of defense for its citizens, doesn’t matter whether the attack is foreign or domestic!  </p>
<p>If you are harmed in anyway by someone ILLEGALLY in the country, You can SUE  the ILLEGAL “Employer” for hiring,aiding, abetting and transporting ILLEGALS. You can SUE the local or state government whose sanctuary policies lead and helped caused your harm. You can SUE the transportation companies (air, land, sea), engaged in transporting ILLEGALS across OUR border!  You have a right to SUE a business for selling alcohol to ILLEGALS, if you are harmed because of their drunken state! </p>
<p>You have a right to be made whole, after injury from people who are not in the country Legally!</p>
<p>GO AFTER THE PEOPLE AIDING/ABETTING, TRANSPORTING, EMPLOYING, AND SETTING POLICIES TO BRING THEM HERE!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Caramia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caramia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;why say hispanic? don’t we have other terms?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why say hispanic? don’t we have other terms?</p>
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		<title>By: PEOPLES</title>
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		<dc:creator>PEOPLES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Everyday the “BONELESS CAT” DUMBERcrats show the American people that they don’t appreciate the win in 06 and they don’t need them in 08 ……. Good Luck&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyday the “BONELESS CAT” DUMBERcrats show the American people that they don’t appreciate the win in 06 and they don’t need them in 08 ……. Good Luck</p>
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		<title>By: Calocedrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calocedrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Repeat after me:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“There is no Immigration Reform Crisis.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I will not follow the Republicans over a cliff.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“There is no Immigration Reform Crisis.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good.  Here’s a biscuit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(I just sent three postcards to the Rayburn HOB, thanks)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repeat after me:</p>
<p>“There is no Immigration Reform Crisis.”</p>
<p>“I will not follow the Republicans over a cliff.”</p>
<p>“There is no Immigration Reform Crisis.”</p>
<p>Good.  Here’s a biscuit.</p>
<p>(I just sent three postcards to the Rayburn HOB, thanks)</p>
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		<title>By: flautist</title>
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		<dc:creator>flautist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rahm is working hard on telling people to move to the right on immigration. Unfortunately, candidates are listening to him, including the Blue Dog running in IL-14. Listen to what he says about a Real ID card:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=oaMzrOkVHXc&quot;&gt;http://youtube.com/watch?v=oaMzrOkVHXc&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“We are… a nation of laws… we have to make sure that everyone is regularized… we [should] have a Real ID program that means something, you know, with biometrics if necessary…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remember how upset we were with the Blue Dogs over the Real ID Act? Do we REALLY want a repeat of that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These are the kinds of people that Rahm is supporting for Congress. We need to actively seek progressives to stop Rahm.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rahm is working hard on telling people to move to the right on immigration. Unfortunately, candidates are listening to him, including the Blue Dog running in IL-14. Listen to what he says about a Real ID card:<br />
<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=oaMzrOkVHXc">http://youtube.com/watch?v=oaMzrOkVHXc</a></p>
<p>“We are… a nation of laws… we have to make sure that everyone is regularized… we [should] have a Real ID program that means something, you know, with biometrics if necessary…”</p>
<p>Remember how upset we were with the Blue Dogs over the Real ID Act? Do we REALLY want a repeat of that?</p>
<p>These are the kinds of people that Rahm is supporting for Congress. We need to actively seek progressives to stop Rahm.</p>
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		<title>By: larry birnbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry birnbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lot’s of circular firing squad rhetoric above.  For those who think there wouldn’t be a difference between, say, Giuliani, and, say, Hillary Clinton as President, that’s the sort of thing I kept hearing from Ralph Nader supporters during the 2000 election campaign.  I thought it was pretty damn self-indulgent even then.  Now, I think it’s dangerous.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So you know, Steny Hoyer isn’t the most progressive Democrat in the world.  If you think there’s no difference between having him or having Tom DeLay in that position, I’m not sure what planet you’re living on.  It isn’t this one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, Jane, I’d still like to get a source for that quote.  It’s pretty damning.  I just want to know if it’s actually true.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot’s of circular firing squad rhetoric above.  For those who think there wouldn’t be a difference between, say, Giuliani, and, say, Hillary Clinton as President, that’s the sort of thing I kept hearing from Ralph Nader supporters during the 2000 election campaign.  I thought it was pretty damn self-indulgent even then.  Now, I think it’s dangerous.</p>
<p>So you know, Steny Hoyer isn’t the most progressive Democrat in the world.  If you think there’s no difference between having him or having Tom DeLay in that position, I’m not sure what planet you’re living on.  It isn’t this one.</p>
<p>And, Jane, I’d still like to get a source for that quote.  It’s pretty damning.  I just want to know if it’s actually true.</p>
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		<title>By: pow wow</title>
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		<dc:creator>pow wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From the post and the CQ.com link:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;According to one Hispanic Democrat, &lt;b&gt;Hoyer jabbed his finger at Baca and yelled&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;i&gt;“How dare you destroy this &lt;b&gt;party&lt;/b&gt;? This will be the worst loss in 10 years&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From me to Congressman Steny H. Hoyer:  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;How dare you destroy this &lt;i&gt;NATION?!&lt;/i&gt;  Your Legislative Branch of government - under first Republican and now Democratic control - is vying to be the most catastrophically failed Congress in our nation’s &lt;i&gt;history&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Members of Congress:&lt;/b&gt; The “party game” is over - this nation can simply not afford to continue to tolerate a Congress full of people who defer to the corrupt agenda(s) of the tiny minority of party members who have been allowed to wield all power - in the name of, and in lieu of the independent judgement of, over half the membership of the House (and thus in the name of at least half the population of this country). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The nation, outside D.C., is over the major political parties.  You either recognize this, and act accordingly to free your &lt;b&gt;own&lt;/b&gt; conscience and will to act as you see fit as a good faith public servant - rather than deferring to the orders of others - or your political party, and your own seat, will be very, very much at risk next year and thereafter.   In other words: Mr. Hoyer, Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Emanuel are deliberately, if blindly and unknowingly, sinking the future prospects of their political party every day, by their actions to enforce a corporate status quo, and by their lack of actions to meaningfully safeguard the liberty and the well-being of we, the people by reinstating our Constitutional system of government.  They will be only too happy to blame the failure of the party on you, when the bill comes due, but they are kidding no one outside the Beltway - we know very well who is driving that bus.  Yet we also know that those who are passengers can no longer remain passively seated and silent, in good conscience.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Executive Branch is our top-down, hierarchical branch of government.  The Legislative Branch &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; be a democratic, open and inclusive arena, that welcomes free and full debate among its equally-weighted members, never mind the decades of corrupted process brought to us by the two political parties in service to power for its own sake; a corrupted, power-mad hierarchical process that has helped to bring our nation to its knees.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do your &lt;b&gt;nation&lt;/b&gt; a favor, and act in &lt;i&gt;its&lt;/i&gt; best interests, party loyalty be damned, each and every time your party’s agenda strays from the best interests of our nation and its people.  The American people will be forever grateful.  This is no time for shrinking violets in Washington, D.C.  We desperately need principled and courageous action from our federal legislators, starting yesterday.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the post and the CQ.com link:</p>
<blockquote><p>According to one Hispanic Democrat, <b>Hoyer jabbed his finger at Baca and yelled</b>, <i>“How dare you destroy this <b>party</b>? This will be the worst loss in 10 years</i>.”</p>
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<p>From me to Congressman Steny H. Hoyer:  </p>
<blockquote><p><b>How dare you destroy this <i>NATION?!</i>  Your Legislative Branch of government &#8211; under first Republican and now Democratic control &#8211; is vying to be the most catastrophically failed Congress in our nation’s <i>history</i>.</b></p>
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<p><b>Members of Congress:</b> The “party game” is over &#8211; this nation can simply not afford to continue to tolerate a Congress full of people who defer to the corrupt agenda(s) of the tiny minority of party members who have been allowed to wield all power &#8211; in the name of, and in lieu of the independent judgement of, over half the membership of the House (and thus in the name of at least half the population of this country). </p>
<p>The nation, outside D.C., is over the major political parties.  You either recognize this, and act accordingly to free your <b>own</b> conscience and will to act as you see fit as a good faith public servant &#8211; rather than deferring to the orders of others &#8211; or your political party, and your own seat, will be very, very much at risk next year and thereafter.   In other words: Mr. Hoyer, Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Emanuel are deliberately, if blindly and unknowingly, sinking the future prospects of their political party every day, by their actions to enforce a corporate status quo, and by their lack of actions to meaningfully safeguard the liberty and the well-being of we, the people by reinstating our Constitutional system of government.  They will be only too happy to blame the failure of the party on you, when the bill comes due, but they are kidding no one outside the Beltway &#8211; we know very well who is driving that bus.  Yet we also know that those who are passengers can no longer remain passively seated and silent, in good conscience.  </p>
<p>The Executive Branch is our top-down, hierarchical branch of government.  The Legislative Branch <i>must</i> be a democratic, open and inclusive arena, that welcomes free and full debate among its equally-weighted members, never mind the decades of corrupted process brought to us by the two political parties in service to power for its own sake; a corrupted, power-mad hierarchical process that has helped to bring our nation to its knees.</p>
<p>Do your <b>nation</b> a favor, and act in <i>its</i> best interests, party loyalty be damned, each and every time your party’s agenda strays from the best interests of our nation and its people.  The American people will be forever grateful.  This is no time for shrinking violets in Washington, D.C.  We desperately need principled and courageous action from our federal legislators, starting yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rahm.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a legend in his own mind.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;stop listening to your butt boys in the beltway that your shit doesn’t stink.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;your arrogance and huberous is hurting the party.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rahm.</p>
<p>a legend in his own mind.</p>
<p>stop listening to your butt boys in the beltway that your shit doesn’t stink.</p>
<p>your arrogance and huberous is hurting the party.</p>
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		<title>By: larry birnbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry birnbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane, it’s very late in this thread.  But I’d really like to see a source for the quote you attribute to Emanuel.  Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, it’s very late in this thread.  But I’d really like to see a source for the quote you attribute to Emanuel.  Thank you.</p>
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