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	<title>Comments on: SJC FISA Mark-Up, Part I</title>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/08/sjc-fisa-mark-up-part-i/#comment-1084756</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nolo @27:  Thanks, Nolo.  The Nance hearing on C-Span should be interesting.  Nance is a bulldog and is prepared to fight anyone on the committee attacking his credibility.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nolo @27:  Thanks, Nolo.  The Nance hearing on C-Span should be interesting.  Nance is a bulldog and is prepared to fight anyone on the committee attacking his credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: public.takeover</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/08/sjc-fisa-mark-up-part-i/#comment-1084603</link>
		<dc:creator>public.takeover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There was a report on NPR this morning about a former ATT employee who is a witness (whistleblower)in one of these suits.  The guy said that 100% of all ATT internet traffic was routed into a room that was kept secured.  I haven’t seen this reported anywhere else.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/us/07nsa.html&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/us/07nsa.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1084442&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;NPR listener @ 79&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was reported in the New York &lt;em&gt;Times&lt;/em&gt; yesterday.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There was a report on NPR this morning about a former ATT employee who is a witness (whistleblower)in one of these suits.  The guy said that 100% of all ATT internet traffic was routed into a room that was kept secured.  I haven’t seen this reported anywhere else.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/us/07nsa.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/us/07nsa.html</a><a href="#comment-1084442"><em>NPR listener @ 79</em></a></p>
<p>It was reported in the New York <em>Times</em> yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: nolo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/08/sjc-fisa-mark-up-part-i/#comment-1084445</link>
		<dc:creator>nolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;okay — very late to the party!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;using the ACTUAL original image&lt;br /&gt;
of the fourth amendment makes great&lt;br /&gt;
theater, as well as visual stimuli!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so — here &lt;a href=&quot;http://indictdickcheney.blogspot.com/2007/11/two-images-for-faxing-on-fisa-mark-up.html&quot;&gt;are two images to&lt;br /&gt;
fax on FISA mark-up — ideas&lt;br /&gt;
started here, in this thread,&lt;br /&gt;
but i’ll post ‘em above, as well&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;feel free to take, modify, use&lt;br /&gt;
and enjoy — great inspiration, here!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p e a c e&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay — very late to the party!</p>
<p>using the ACTUAL original image<br />
of the fourth amendment makes great<br />
theater, as well as visual stimuli!</p>
<p>so — here <a href="http://indictdickcheney.blogspot.com/2007/11/two-images-for-faxing-on-fisa-mark-up.html">are two images to<br />
fax on FISA mark-up — ideas<br />
started here, in this thread,<br />
but i’ll post ‘em above, as well</a>.</p>
<p>feel free to take, modify, use<br />
and enjoy — great inspiration, here!</p>
<p>p e a c e</p>
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		<title>By: NPR listener</title>
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		<dc:creator>NPR listener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There was a report on NPR this morning about a former ATT employee who is a witness (whistleblower)in one of these suits.  The guy said that 100% of all ATT internet traffic was routed into a room that was kept secured.  I haven’t seen this reported anywhere else.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a report on NPR this morning about a former ATT employee who is a witness (whistleblower)in one of these suits.  The guy said that 100% of all ATT internet traffic was routed into a room that was kept secured.  I haven’t seen this reported anywhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/08/sjc-fisa-mark-up-part-i/#comment-1084361</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Specter being Specter, his proposed legislation should be DOA.  It would not replace private litigation against telcos with litigation against the executive branch because the EB would claim state secrets and move heaven and Darth Cheney to prevent suits moving forward.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Specter conveniently buries the lede, too.  He sells litigation against the telcos as “wrong” when that’s half the story.  By all accounts, they didn’t cooperate out of patriotism.  It was GREED.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Telcos arguably have the most well-equiped law departments in America, on top of the best stable of outside lawyers and “consultants” that money can buy.  They knew exactly how and why Bush’s demands for cooperation were illegal.  They cooperated anyway because they wanted lucrative government contracts, merger approvals, and so on.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Billions were at stake, not to mention careers and deal-dependent mega-bonuses.  What’s sticking a little shiv into the Constitution among friends, I ask you?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Specter being Specter, his proposed legislation should be DOA.  It would not replace private litigation against telcos with litigation against the executive branch because the EB would claim state secrets and move heaven and Darth Cheney to prevent suits moving forward.</p>
<p>Specter conveniently buries the lede, too.  He sells litigation against the telcos as “wrong” when that’s half the story.  By all accounts, they didn’t cooperate out of patriotism.  It was GREED.</p>
<p>Telcos arguably have the most well-equiped law departments in America, on top of the best stable of outside lawyers and “consultants” that money can buy.  They knew exactly how and why Bush’s demands for cooperation were illegal.  They cooperated anyway because they wanted lucrative government contracts, merger approvals, and so on.  </p>
<p>Billions were at stake, not to mention careers and deal-dependent mega-bonuses.  What’s sticking a little shiv into the Constitution among friends, I ask you?</p>
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		<title>By: brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;CHS:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No need to explain the Oliver Twist reference, or any other pictures you post, even obscure or elusive allusions.  That’s part of the fun.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHS:</p>
<p>No need to explain the Oliver Twist reference, or any other pictures you post, even obscure or elusive allusions.  That’s part of the fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/08/sjc-fisa-mark-up-part-i/#comment-1084146</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1084039&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 2&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Arlen is the worst of the lot..playing the role of the reasonable Republican.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hasn’t he always been like that?  At least that’s my earliest and most enduring memory of how he operates, and I’ve been around awhile…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1084039"><em>Steve-AR @ 2</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Arlen is the worst of the lot..playing the role of the reasonable Republican.</p>
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<p>Hasn’t he always been like that?  At least that’s my earliest and most enduring memory of how he operates, and I’ve been around awhile…</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1084095&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 55&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1084084&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Professor Foland @ 43&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;A Kennedy staffer just told me that there has indeed been a hold placed on the immunity markup for one week.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;people who are available at c-span can’t figure out what’s going on. i’m told there is someone who might be able to, but he is in a meeting.&lt;br /&gt;
. . .&lt;br /&gt;
i  will continue to monitor the feed and let you know if the problem is corrected.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;sorry, that’s all i can think of to do. … &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;not exactly transparent government. :(&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Morning everyone.  Thanks to all for putting together a readable thread from what sounds like a pretty fluid situation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was just listening to proceedings on Senate floor, and their sound system were going all static-y also.  Even the senators couldn’t tell whose mike was working, or not - everyone’s feed seemed intermittent, with static over telly-feed.  Telecom hissy-fit?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1084095"><em>selise @ 55</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1084084"><em>Professor Foland @ 43</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>A Kennedy staffer just told me that there has indeed been a hold placed on the immunity markup for one week.</p>
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<p>people who are available at c-span can’t figure out what’s going on. i’m told there is someone who might be able to, but he is in a meeting.<br />
. . .<br />
i  will continue to monitor the feed and let you know if the problem is corrected.</p>
<p>sorry, that’s all i can think of to do. … </p>
<p>not exactly transparent government. :(</p>
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<p>Morning everyone.  Thanks to all for putting together a readable thread from what sounds like a pretty fluid situation.</p>
<p>I was just listening to proceedings on Senate floor, and their sound system were going all static-y also.  Even the senators couldn’t tell whose mike was working, or not &#8211; everyone’s feed seemed intermittent, with static over telly-feed.  Telecom hissy-fit?</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;call back from c-span:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;there is a technical problem with the feed, and there is a tech working on it now. it may come up at any moment (or not). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;very good response from c-span. hopefully there will be as good a response from the technician.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i let the c-span person who called me back know how much we appreciate and depend on c-span to inform ourselves of what our government is doing in our name. i meant every word… and i wonder how many people here at fdl would have been streaming the dirksen room 226 audio feed for this hearing if it had been working.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>call back from c-span:</p>
<p>there is a technical problem with the feed, and there is a tech working on it now. it may come up at any moment (or not). </p>
<p>very good response from c-span. hopefully there will be as good a response from the technician.</p>
<p>i let the c-span person who called me back know how much we appreciate and depend on c-span to inform ourselves of what our government is doing in our name. i meant every word… and i wonder how many people here at fdl would have been streaming the dirksen room 226 audio feed for this hearing if it had been working.</p>
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		<title>By: TexBetsy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/08/sjc-fisa-mark-up-part-i/#comment-1084118</link>
		<dc:creator>TexBetsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good morning dear friends.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning dear friends.</p>
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