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And who will be there to provide the battle music?
Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine. Aw, yeah. (Sigh. I have such a crush on that guy. What’s with shaved heads, anyhow?)
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RAGE!!!
Zedish
TREX! rawwwwwwwr
rage at #4!
dam, beaten out again!
late late! didn’t think i’d manage to stay up this late …
Hi TRex.
Is it war-on-Christmas time yet? I haven’t warred on Thanksgiving yet.
has downstairs been told?
yes suzanne.
Suzanne @ 8
Yes
Tom Morello is teh hot.
danke
TexBetsy @ 8
***
Betsy: LOL! If this were the orange community, I’d nominate that for comment-of-the-day. Month, even. So many secular wars, so little time…
LoudounLib @ 11
I know.
Swooooon.
What time, TRex?
Loo Hoo. @ 15
I think it’s supposed to go all day.
And Jaaaaaane might even be there.
Loo Hoo. @ 15
excellent – TRex, you gotta time to plug into the post?
This been posted yet?
Former Pakistan PM Benazir Bhutto Placed Under House Arrest
from Huff Po by The Huffington Post News Editors
The opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was placed under house arrest this morning, her political party said. Streets were filled with police officers carrying batons and shields, and trucks blocked roads, trying to prevent access to a protest rally that Ms. Bhutto had helped organize in Rawalpindi, the garrison city adjacent to the capital of Islamabad.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..71872.html
Gen. Pervez Musharraf said Thursday, a day after President Bush called, that Pakistan’s parliamentary elections would be held before Feb. 15. But his security forces continued to widen their crackdown and jailed thousands of opposition party members before the rally, which is scheduled to start in the early afternoon today.
*Whew*
That was quite a climb up from the last thread.
All day. The rally is going all day.
Cool Jams, too bad I can’t be there…
TRex @ 20
sweet, thanks big guy
TRex @ 16
I’m never on the correct coast at the correct time…waaaahhh!
Bhutto has been placed under house arrest.
TexBetsy @ 18
Sad, eh? I thought they had a deal worked out…
Was that a pic of Ben Stein in the video (wearing the graduation garb)?
What did he say the other day that was so vile I found it unforgivable…
I wish I could go. So many people I respect and admire are probably going to be there.
Sometimes living in Georgia feels like living on the edge of the planet.
Did LHP or anyone else report in about the protest in NYC today?
The Group News Blog has been posting threads about why this strike is so important. Both LM and JW have posts up about it.
Been a long day my friends. Need to save up my energy so I can war on Thanksgiving tomorrow, or else go to work.
Night all.
pain free sleep wishes tex
Wow! Never heard of it till tonight :-P
Someone was talking about a DiFi discussion in Anaheim. Drat, now I need to search again.
But for now, bed!
Nighty night, all!
Night, Betsy. It’s a great blog day for your family!
g’nite pb
No, don’t wage war on Thanksgiving! I love Thanksgiving! It’s my favorite!
Thanksgiving is all about feeding people, and I loooove to feed people.
Night, PB. Me too.
g’night TexB and pb, sleep well
Thanks Loo Hoo and Suzanne.
I’ll war on Christmas TRex, and leave your Thanksgiving alone.
nite pb
g’night, Betsy!
here’s the roll call on mukasey vote … note clinton, biden, dodd, obama were four democrats NOT VOTING!!!
http://www.senate.gov/legislat…..vote=00407
TexBetsy @ 38
Thank you.
TRex @ 27
Missouri is worse, dude. It’s where people go through on their way elsewhere. Even the nukes just flew on by…
TRex @ 35
I’m with you. It’s also my favorite. And I have that whole week off, and will be spending it with the Richmond branch of my family :-)
*insert warm family feelings here*
nite betsy
Uh-oh, mass exodus time… Aloha, Tex, PB, and Loo Hoo…!
CT, I’ll hang with you for a few more minutes ;-)
turkey day is one of my favorite holidays. all the smells from the cooking, all the eating, feeling so full after. tis a day of celebrating – the ultimate fall family feast
Rage – it’s what’s missing.
The vote record is up.LINKY.
Not Voting – 7
Alexander (R-TN)
Biden (D-DE)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Dodd (D-CT)
McCain (R-AZ)
Obama (D-IL)
Five of the seven are running for president. How nice.
Thanksgiving is the one day of the year when Americans truly get to experience the power of the siesta.
If I were king, after-lunch naps would be enforced by law.
TheOtherWA @ 50
Those five just couldn’t be bothered, huh…
LoudounLib @ 47
Thanks Ma’am, by the way, how did the election shake out, the Va. Senate switched, but how many house seats were picked up?
TheOtherWA @ 50
please tell me, mr/madam candidate, why should i vote for you when you don’t even show up to vote at the confirmation hearing of the AG
and no whinny excuses either
I can’t believe Dodd didn’t vote. Is he in Iowa or something?
CT, I’m not sure about the House totals, but it sure wasn’t as good as the Senate this time around — but oh well, we’re making progress and turning VA a bit more blue :-)
teh sick kitty is not looking so good, but i must say Kitty Kaviar (freeze-dried flaked fish) is still keeping him interested in life. Young woman at the petfood store calls it kitty crack. Boy does it stink tho.
TRex @ 51
Heh, the Turkey all but ensures a siesta… ;-)
TRex @ 51
All hail Trex, King of the Feast and the post feast siesta! Rawwwwwrrrrr!
LoudounLib @ 44
sounds great! (my fave holiday also)
hugs for you and for the sick kitteh, ndfg
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 57
I’m sorry your kitty isn’t feeling well. Kitty crack? That’s funny. But if it keeps him eating, crack it is.
((Ndfg))
Saying a kitty prayer.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 57
Oh, gosh. Sick kitties are The Single Most Awful Thing in the World. I can’t stand to see them suffer. I just can’t stand it.
And yet when one of my babies is sick, you have to order me away from the patient for things like bathing, eating, things which I do mechanically, miserably, just praying that my poor baby will feel better soon.
Juan C has been really, really sick twice in his life, once when he was a baby and once right after the divorce. I think I would have jumped in front of a bus if I thought that would make him better. If he had died I think they would have had to put me on suicide watch.
I can’t imagine what it must be like to have sick children. Ye gods.
Chin up, ndfg. Hang in there.
barb in west yellowstone @ 41
Do they really think we won’t see through this? Sheesh.
LoudounLib @ 61
thanks! Unfortunately, i’ll be mentioning it from time to time, vet says the type of cancer is fairly fast, could be weeks, maybe a few months. So we’re gonna give him lots of kitty love. Today i’m a little more down about it than usual.
OT — hey burns, I don’t have a link handy, but it was in the WaPo the other day — did you hear that the Childe Harold is closing down?
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 66
That certainly sucks! I’ve lost a few ‘family’ members to various cancers… 8-(
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 66
This is when it’s a drag that we’re all separated by so much distance. It would be so great if I could show up at your house with a thermos of coffee and, like, a baked brie en croute or lovely cake or something.
*squeezes ndfg*
here’s a linky for teh kitty crack, it seems to be a healthy treat and cats that like it really like it. My kitty boys go bonkers, the kitty girls turn up their noses, i can just hear them saying ew, the things guys eat!
TRex @ 69
It Virtually is, TRex…!!! *g*
Suzanne @ 54
Word! I’m having a hell of a time convincing myself to vote for her if she gets the nominatin as it is. It’s disgusting these people didn’t consider this issue important enough to show up and vote.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 70
I bet my girl kitteh would love it — will check it out. Anything to spark her appetite, poor thing (she’s a chronic renal failure kitteh, but is holding her own)
barb in west yellowstone @ 42
You beat me to it. I scrolled thru without reading obviously. Can I offer you a glass of white wine, while we fume over the ridiculousness of the candidates?
TRex @ 64
thanks! the only consolation i have is my/our kitty is 15-1/2, and he doesn’t seem to be suffering, The vet says the type of cancer isn’t usually painful, but that we’ll be able to tell if he’s in distress because we know him. He seems more tired the last few weeks, might see if he’ll tolerate some alternative things.
I say we, the netroots, should demand answers to the question from the prez wannabe’s: why were you not there to vote and if you can’t do the job you are currently holding, why the hell should i vote for you to do an even bigger job?
Suzanne @ 76
Ding ding ding!
tbsa @72
Yup, I’m leaning more towards Edwards everyday. Who knows, if he was still in the senate would he have voted? Don’t know.
Okay, easy now. I really think that they’re all in Iowa or out on the stump.
Oh, you know, you’re right.
It’s inexcusable.
I soooooo do not want to sit here with the ice pack on my back right now. The chiropractor said to, though.
TRex @ 69
thank you! (sniffs & wipes at eyes) teh kitty has Leo rising, i swear, & would be demanding that you adore him if you showed up. Worship the cat first, then greet the others, according to Sir TwitchyTail
TRex @ 79
sorry honey – i’m sitting here with a hot pack on mine – the damp chill in the air has mine tweaking big time
Pups, I am done for the night. Got ‘portant bidness later in the AM (ok, just getting my hair did, but that’s ‘portant!) Good night all!
g’nite ll
What kind of kitty?
Suzanne @ 76
A-freaking-men. Just saying you wouldn’t vote for the man counts for squat in my book. I want action to back up the words.
LoudounLib @ 73
I hope it helps, we are sprinkling it on top of our ailing kitty’s wet food for extra protein.
Suzanne @ 76
right on sister!
LoudounLib @ 82
g’night LL! Yep, getting hair did is important. Sweet dreams!
Aloha, LL!
{{{{{{ TRex & Suze }}}}}}}}
*ndfg goes into big sister mode* you two are the quintessential late nite. Wish i could run around and be helpful with appropriate temp packs, beverages, pillows.
Mukasey was asked whether waterboarding is torture. Even though I would oppose anyone that Bush would have as his AG, including this one, I think it’s a stupid question. Does it do any good to keep dumbing down the dialogue like that? If you ask a lawyer that type of question, of course he can’t answer it. It depends what you mean by “waterboarding.” It depends what you mean by “torture” etc. Under what law? Under what definition?
Did they ever ask him any real questions? Like should the US be able to violate the Geneva convention? How far does executive privilege extend? Can the President violate the FISA laws with impunity? If so, under what circumstances? Are we in the kind of “war” that justifies the use of extraordinary war powers? If so, when does the “war” end? There are so many questions should have asked. Did the ask any of them? Or were they only interested in creating headlines and news bites?
TRex @ 84
*rummages around* here’s a pic i posted before, my youngest with her/our kitty, Sir TwitchyTail Furball. He’s a common domestic longhair, but some folks have said they think he’s part Maine Coon Cat because he loves water (among other eccentricities)
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 90
thanks (((ndfg)))
Gus, the 20 year old, just had to come stand in my lap and butt his head into my jaw and nose a few times, and purr and kiss my nose. (He has the WORST breath…) Old kitties are amazing. Sages.
Teh Gussy is like an old Zen master, creaking happily along.
TPMElection Central lists the candidates schedules, and for today:
So Dodd and Obama have a reasonable excuse for not being in DC to vote. Biden, maybe, depending on the time of his event. No info on Clinton or McCain for today, but McCain will be on Hardball tomorrow. Oh, goody.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 92
oops, forgot to link to Twitchy (one of the other cats is in my lap, interfering with my typing)
Can’t we impeach the bastard already…
It emerged last night that Siemens, one of the world’s largest engineering groups and based in Germany, has pulled out of all new business dealings with Iran after pressure from the US and German governments. This follows the decision by Germany’s three biggest banks, Deutsche, Commerzbank, and Dresdner, to quit Iran after a warning from US vice-president Dick Cheney that if firms remain in Tehran, they are going to have problems doing business in the US.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/inte…..33,00.html
ndfg, your link did not come through
Trex, do you feel good about the chiro or is it too soon to know? Sorry if you’ve already said, I’ve been in and out.
TheOtherWA @ 95
what’s more important – campaigning or doing the job you are being paid currently to do?
not good enough of an excuse
Juan Carlos likes water, especially warm water. When he was a baby, he would take a bath with me sometimes.
He was the CUTEST baby. He kept breaking a whisker here and there and they’d hang off at crazy angles. He was like the Calvin of Siamese kittens.
TheOtherWA @ 95
I wouldn’t put it past, Reid to pull this BS while Dodd is outta town… All things considered…
CTuttle @ 97
sometimes it is really hard not to actively wish ill upon certain evildoers. Come on, Karma, speed up a little.
oh, ndfg, he is precious
TRex @ 101
what a sweetie! i love Siamese.
larue, if you’re still here, I’ve got Curries from NS. Louis Head, Shelburne Co. Robert Currie, 1796-1880.
SunnyNobility @ 99
Well, today was the first treatment. They put me in The Spine Traction Machine, which is like a giant infant car seat that they strap you into and it pulls your legs one way and your upper body the other.
I found this hilarious, “Hey!” I said to the nurse, “Let’s play Spanish Inquisition. Here, I’ll start, ‘AAAAAAAHH!! I’ll talk! I’ll talk! Just make it STOP!’”
She didn’t laugh at all.
Hmph.
Was the Mukasey vote scheduled some time ago? I was surprised when they started voting tonight. If it was on short notice, that is a good excuse for missing a vote when you’re in Iowa.
SunnyNobility @ 106
Check out Tuttle and Wallace Bay…!
Suzanne @ 98
i forgot to include link in comment at 92, put link in comment 96. Did 96 not work either? I’ll try again here … Twitch
TRex @ 107
707! She should be happy to have a patient making jokes.
Twitch his own… :~)
TRex @ 107
i’ve been on that and it did help release the pressure on the sciatic nerve
He is a very handsome fella. Look at those big ol’ mud-masher paws. I bet he has those tufts of hair that grow out from in between the pads.
I love those little tufts of hair.
TRex
I found this hilarious, “Hey!” I said to the nurse, “Let’s play Spanish Inquisition. Here, I’ll start, ‘AAAAAAAHH!! I’ll talk! I’ll talk! Just make it STOP!’”
Timely humor, albeit black.
link worked ndfg, your 96 and my comment crossed in the tubes
I’d like to thank all the people who contributed to the last thread’s little sub-discussion about the whole County of Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific Railroad/”myth of corporate personhood” thing.
Sorry, y’all, as far as I’m concerned the arugments simply don’t withstand scrutiny.
Here’s the reality, as I see it (keeping in mind that IAAL, and have a strong tendency to think like one).
1. By the time of the founding of the United States, the notion that corporations were juridical persons, with a legal existence separate and distinct from their owners, was deeply entrenched in the English common law. See 1 Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England, at 455-56 (1765).
2. By the time the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, the notion that corporations were persons was equally deeply entrenched in American law. The Dartmouth College case, decided by the Supreme Court in 1819, and its progeny make this too clear to be misunderstood.
3. The drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment must, as a matter of ordinary principles of statutory construction, be presumed to know the then state of the law.
4. It must also be presumed, as a matter of ordinary principles of statutory construction, that the when the drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment used the word “citizen” in the first clause of the second sentence of Section 1, and used the word “person” in the second clause, they meant to denote two different things.
5. At the time, the word “citizen” was clearly understood to apply only to natural persons. The word “person” was equally clearly understood to apply to both natural and juridical persons.
6. As a result, it is simply beyond dispute that the drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment intended the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment to apply to corporations.
7. And that’s why Justice Waite told counsel for the parties at the oral argument in Santa Clara County not to waste any of their alloted time arguing that point. It was well settled law.
8. And once the Supreme Court started down the road, beginning in the 1940s, of saying that the Fourteenth Amendment’s guarantee of due process meant that the Bill of Rights applied to the states — a doctrine, BTW, without which most of the civil liberties that we have until recently taken for granted could be trampled on by state legislatures — it was essentially inevitable that corporations would get to go along for the ride.
There may be cogent arguments — heck, there may be compelling arguments — for restricting corporate speech. But the road that y’all are trying to take to get there is a dead end. And I don’t really think that y’all want to re-fight the battle over whether the Bill of Rights is incorporated in the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. You won’t win, and even if you did you would quickly see that to be a Pyrrhic victory. You’re just going to have to argue it under the current state of First Amendment law.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 110
Heh, I woulda called him Boots, dang, mine musta felt neglected, some lap action going on…
punaise @ 112
*g* it’s more accurate than you know. I’ve never met a cat more unwilling to accept that he’s incarnated into a cat’s body …
LoudounLib @ 67
Heavy sigh. Shoulders slumping. Another bit of history goes away. Me*de!
barb in west yellowstone @ 41
Damm Dodd played us I almost sent him money! I suppose he’s going to fold on FISA to now.
I really do not want to hear an another apology/excuse from another wayward Dem!
Either he does something real and not symbolic to get back in our good graces or I don’t have time for him.
Funnny I thought Dodd understood that going Left would get him votes and cash. Going Center would leave you with the luke warm Hilary support of her nonexistant center.
The Left can’t end the war because we settled on Spinless Nancy, Reed, Hilary and Dodd who are all promises but no action.
” I can’t because ” is their battle cry, show me a person who wants what I want and says I can.
I’m through settleing.
TRex @ 114
Yep, he’s got em. He always looks a little disgruntled when his girl picks him up because when younger she was always stuffing him into pink hawaiian shirts, etc and insulting his manly dignity.
Well, yeah, the machine helped. I kind of got lost in the feeling after a bit, once I stopped going, “Am I doing this right?” and second guessing myself, because I realized that it was pretty much impossible to screw up. Duh. Lie there and let the machine do its thing, stupid.
Then they put me on my stomach and put little electrodes on my back that tingled in patterns and I thought, “You know? This is, like, massage therapy for Republicans and other people who don’t like to be touched.”
I have been feeling a hundred times better over the last couple of days, so I didn’t go in feeling a whole lot of pain. Tonight, from the cracking and stretching, I am a little bit sore, but it’s, like, after-workout sore, not OH GOD I’M DYING PLEASE KILL ME NOW sore.
He gave me a lift to put in my shoe. My left leg is slightly longer than my right, which is where the problems are coming from.
The good news (really good news) is that there’s no permanent damage to anything in my back. All the discs are in good shape, nerves and muscles all functioning.
He said that he expects to have everything completely symmetrical and aligned within 90 days and I can probably start swimming by next week.
Exercise is my plan to keep this from happening again, particularly exercise in the water, which I infinitely prefer to land-based exercise.
excellent prognosis, trex (happy dance)
burnspbesq @ 117
thank you for your summation of this, very helpful!
Suzanne @ 124
(applauds) what suze said! (mn happy dance ie a bit of polka)
Whoops. Time for twenty minutes on with the ice, then it’s off to bed.
nite TRex. feel better
Yay, Trex! I’m so glad you’re on the mend.
Sleep well, everyone. I’m off. *yawn*
I dunno ndfg, he looks pretty happy in that photo to me. He’s getting the squinty, “I love you” eyes. Looks like those paws might be about to mash some biscuits, too.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 125
Always happy to help. I am never happier than when I get to play Law Geek. I am incredibly fortunate to have found a career that I love.
TRex @ 107
Did you end up any taller?
TRex @ 127
Oof, I hate the ice… I shall join ya, and, bid the Lake a fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!!
nite tow
nite ct
time for me to go to bed, g’night pups! Huge thanks for lifting my spirits yet again about my ailing kitty. Seems like when world/nat news is especially wretched, my personal stuff is more apt to get me down.
Sweet dreams to all, and keep up the good fight!
Check out Tuttle and Wallace Bay…!
No Tuttle, no Wallace Bay. Too bad.
G’night, TRex and CT.
I should bail as well. 8:00 a.m. conference call, for which I have be not merely awake, but also coherent. Ugh.
Goodnight, all.
Is it OK to dream of Dick Cheney in the stocks in front of the Washington Monument, with hundreds of thousands of ordinary Americans lined up all the way across the Key Bridge into Arlington, all waiting patiently for their turn to spit in his face?
burnspbesq @ 137
Ha! Sweet dream indeed, i’ll share it, if you don’t mind *g*
nite burns, and yes, a very natural feeling it seems.
thanks for the great read once again
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 135
I was about to upload a photo of Louis le chat saying “hey” to Twitch, but photobucket is being difficult.
anyway, bon soir
TheOtherWA @ 108
And possibly timed in such a way that Dodd wasn’t there to make good on his Filibuster, planned entirely by Reid. Since i think the campaign stops are planned some time in advance, the votes? are subject to constant schedule fluctuations, and i wouldn’t put it past Reid to do this while Dodd was out on other business.
I’m out too. Thanks for the blow-by-blow reports. Haven’t replaced the TV yet. May not – more peaceful with classical music and just reading about the horrors.
SunnyNobility @ 115
… Black…?
;>)
When I saw a late report about the Mukasey vote, I was so happy to finally get to write about something that happened in the dead of night in Washington, only to find out that Hugh beat me to it by almost an hour.
Hi everyone. Just dropping by to say hi.
burnspbesq, like your idea about Cheney. I’m normally not into public humiliation, but if ever there was someone who deserved it …
nite ndfg
nite sunny
db, that is brilliant!
aliasofwestgate @ 141
Was Dodd planning to filibuster this, too? He was going to filibuster the FISA revision if it came out of committee with amnesty for telecomm companies, but I hadn’t heard about this one.
darkblack @ 143
they always said Paul was the cute one, but…
Oh, no way am I clicking on that link,
DB. Not this late at night!
Nite all:)
Back from fast food run and a nice sulk.
Anyone got an update on the Europe storms?
You know, you may be right Cujo.
My tired mind is screwing up things he was planning on doing. I know he had a planned filibuster for one of the major issues but this ‘late night vote’ thing stinks to high heaven regardless.
Cujo359 @ 144
Almost amounts to that, doesn’t it?
nite margot
Hmmm. @ 149
Hi Hmmm, this is the latest that I’ve seen.
TRex forevah!
Hey y’all – we’ve got a bad fire down the coast highway in Big Sur but if the winds don’t get too wild the firemen hope it may stay contained enough thru the night until the helicopters can start dumpbing water at daybreak.
Just got back from fetching a friend and her pets and helping settle them with family in Monterey. Hold good thoughts for a happy ending for all creatures great & small and the majestic Redwoods and those courageous firefighters working through the night. The fire jumped highway one north of Esalen a few hours ago and is very worrisome for all concerned. Damn! ;~(
punaise @ 147
It’s the puppy dog jowls that sends young pundits hearts a-flutter.
Oh, and a certain je ne sais codpiece.
;>)
evil snicker… good one db
newspaperbrat @ 153
saw that on the local news and was wondering if it was impacting you npb.
the fog should be helping the firefighters tonight
newtonusr @ 151
Yes, it almost does. There’s really no reason to suppose that one particular way of inflicting torture wouldn’t be torture, so the idea that it might not cover all days of the week, while facetious, is probably equally valid. (Of course, there’s also legal precedent that it’s torture).
In fact, they didn’t really mention any day of the week at Nuremberg, as I remember …
Suzanne @ 155
The Walrus Was Appalled
;>)
About ten years ago I was doing some day labour at a food processing plant for a day. I got picked to dump huge burlap bags of onions into a tweenty foot high onion ring maker.
The problem was the processor would start to process the onions before I was done dumping the bag. The onion blast made me cry and made my nose run.
I often had to take off my face mask to sneeze and blow my nose, right next to the machine. I wonder how often that machine was cleaned? Sure the onions were later deep fried and that should kill most germs I think.
But I still think we have to do something about mass produced food after all not everything is deep fried yet!
Cujo359 @ 157
“Fuck that”, said Addington and Yoo. If waterboarding is a crime, well, no one said anything about cran-raspberry boarding…
my bold
darkblack @ 158
you are the blogman
kook, clue cat you
:~)
Suzanne @ 156
yikes.
Fire was first reported shortly after 5pm as a veh crash over the embankment that started a grass fire that engulfed the vehicle (according to the local 6pm news)
chp page has more details
Nancy wants to end the war by telling Bush no new war funding unless we have a pullout by 2008. But nobody at this Lefty blog is posting or doing cartwheels of joy in the comments I’ve seen. But once we would have.
Not that I am either, but it does seem worth mentioning. By promising a Democratic majority could end the war we waited in January then again for September only to be told that “we can’t because”.
Now we don’t care because we don’t believe, well we still care about ending the war we just don’t believe Nancy really will do anything this time.
I wonder if the Democrats have polls about voter discontent with them?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..8/us-iraq/
Things Come Undone @ 164
Not too long ago, there was a poll that indicated that Congress’s approval rating had fallen to Bushian levels. I’d say that’s one indication of how little faith we have in those folks.
And yes, I have absolutely no faith that this will be anything more than another empty gesture that they’ll quickly fold on and apologize for.
DKos poll:
Things Come Undone @ 164
skepticism fades to cynicism – DKos poll:
While all the other GOP Presidential Candidates are grabbing the
30%er vote Ron Paul is postioning himself to be the moderate alternative.
The MSM has given him a pass on the racism issue just like hey did Regean.
Leaving Ron wide open to grab the middle. Was it Nixion who said go to the base in the primaries and then go to the middle in the general election?
Well Ron can give whomever wins the GOP nomination crossover antiwar credit.
Rudy or whomever wins will say I can end the war in 6 months and Ron as Vice President will agree and bring in moderate voters.
Ron like Darth before him is the real danger as VP.
finally got that cat pic uploaded. Louis extends his best to Twitch.
punaise @ 166
Our only hope it seems is if Hilary and the Center Dems are actualy as concerned about the poll numbers as we think they are.
pic
louis has a looooong stretch pun.. whatta cutie he is
that’s his “I’m flying” mode
Oh, sweet SPEW alert:
At Salon, Craig Unger’s new book,
“The Fall of the House of Bush: The Untold Story of How a Band of True Believers Seized the Executive Branch, Started the Iraq War, and Still Imperils America’s Future.”
wherein he postulates that…
newtonusr @ 173
ewwwww
i think we need details
hasta manana
Suzanne @ 174
You have a strong stomach there Suz.
nite pun
Mornin’ to Suz, Things Come Undone, newtonusr, pun (and anyone else who’s awake) -
Lead in “toy” products…….it’s not just for children anymore:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ZG8D7VJRIF
punaise @ 172
Wonderful photo of Louis whose legs look so long. What a character. Tanks for sharing dear punaise.
newtonusr @ 173
I heard it was a ‘slipper‘ problem.
;>)
g’nite pun
newton, working crime scenes will do that to ya
Cujo@ 359 I agree forget faith trust must be earned.
Forgivness can only start when the person you want to forgive stops doing the bad things that had to be forgiven in the first place.
It starts when they stop making lame excuses!
It starts when they stop blaming others for THEIR failure’s this oh the Republicans are stopping us from ending the war bit is lame. The Dems have the majority they could have denied funds when they first got elected.
This we are worried about what if Iran, Al Quieda etc takes over thing is lame. We don’t care, the polls said that in January they have only gotten stronger now.
Please Dems show some pride tell better lies about why you fail your embarrasing real liars everywhere with your weak material!
Oh! *That’s* why I was in moderation….the linky had that nasty p*ker word in it. Feel kinda honored, in a way – first time I’ve ever been put in time-out. *g*
Sweet dreams punaise – I’m off too. Niters all you swell & intrepid late nite rascals.
waccamaw, games of chance and rx brand names will get your comment trapped faster than just about anything (think spam)
g’nite npb
nite npb
Details on Wolfie’s Zipper problem
Well even today even after all the scandal over his girl friend Shaha Riza and her no work job that paid better than the President’s alleged mistresse’s job.
Wikipedia lists his wife’s name but marital status as uncertain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz
I’m sure Condi had a talk with her husband when she heard how well Wolfie treats the ladies compared to her man.
Things Come Undone @ 188
oh that problem… dang, i was hoping for something like he was boosh’s secret gay lover
its that time again folks, to cover your eyes as my pruned body emerges from the lake, grabs a towel and heads for the showers
g’nite all
Suz -
Yeah, I know but since I don’t play games of chance or usually talk about dr*gs, it just never crossed my mind to keep an eye out for “buried” words.
And since it can never be said often enough, blessings on you and all the other behind-the-scenes fire pups who work so hard to make this place as free of “problems” (and that covers a wiiiiiide range of definitions) as it is.
thanks, waccamaw, on behalf of the mod squad – i’m just the public face of the many many people keeping the lake running smoothly.
Shaha Riza is still working for the World Bank!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaha_Riza
Suzanne @ 191
And each one of them will be in line for some important promotions and personal citations when this thing is over with
;>)
Nite, S.
burnspbesq @ 117
And here is where you go astray. The reference in the 14th Amendment to persons could very well mean something different than “citizen”. The 14th and 15th Amendments were separable, with only the latter conferring CITIZENSHIP upon the freed slaves. The 14th conferred RIGHTS AS PERSONS. It also applied to any other individual within the jurisdiction of the United States…including Indians, foreign residents and traders, etc.
The placement of these two principles in separate Amendments was an effort to make sure that at least the 14th would pass, even if the abolitionists were not able to obtain the necessary support to ratify the 15th Amendment.
Certainly there was a recognition of associations and groups(and states and nations) having legal rights under English law. Contracts and treaties were recognizeable as conferring privileges and responsibilities between associations. But that’s different than asserting that such an entity is a “person” with ALL the Rights that apply whenever “person” is mentioned in the Constitution. These so-called “juridical personhood” rights were always constrained.
A case in point are the exceptions noted in the Constitution/Bill of Rights. In the First Amendment it specifically notes only one “non-person” as having rights that individuals have.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Why would the Framers not simply have said “freedom of speech”…but also “of the Press” if they regarded the Press to be incorporated as an individual protected by Freedom of speech?
They were being careful to make sure that ONE PARTICULAR TYPE of association was accorded Freedom of Speech…the same Freedom that individuals had.
Whether other types of Corporations have this Freedom is disputable. It certainly is not explicit (as it is for the Press) in the First Amendment.
Good Mroning crew, it’s 28 and clear on Sugar Creek in Fabulous Blue Ridge GA.
sup bill
Hi, guys -
Looks like the nite crew actually went to sleep for a short time.
MR. Bill -
Water status report? The heating guy actually showed up yesterday as scheduled and $200. and a defrost board later, I had heat last nite. :-)
Waccamaw @ 198
Big article in the Athens paper about how gray water is illegal.
raven @ 199
We got the leak fixed, and it may be a lot of the well problems also.
Raven why is gray water illegal? Some health reason?
I mean, is there any research on the health problems of gray water? Or is this just them making it up as they went?
MR. Bill @ 201
Dunno, my wife works at the health dept but she is a lactation consultant. One of my buddies is a researcher in one of the biology labs and he said it’s bullshit.
MR. Bill @ 201
have to get people thinking about the cleaning products they use. Bleach anti-bacterial soap…
And Jay Brookman in the ATL JourCon has a good editorial on “Why Vouchers Fail”, as a Utah school voucher vote went down in flames..
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/con….._1109.html
Gray-water plumbing systems that recycle water for indoor or outdoor use are available, but most are illegal in Georgia.
EPD will not permit above-ground gray-water irrigation systems, said Seth Wenger, associate director of the University of Georgia’s River Basin Center. It will allow underground systems, but they are probably too expensive for most homeowners, he said.
Plumbing systems that connect shower and sink drains to toilets and use gray water to flush are now illegal under state law, but the Athens-Clarke Commission could pass an ordinance legalizing them, Wenger said.
Several county commissioners have said they’re interested in revising plumbing and building codes to allow or even require gray water systems.
tw3k @ 203
You would thing the addition of some, I dunno, bleach and then oxygenation would take care of most of the problems..
MR. Bill @ 204
My dissertation was a study of dropouts who went back for their GED’s. Three of the folks were from near you Mr Bill.
raven @ 205
Given the sort of siltation and building in stream corridors the EPD turns a blind eye to (I see it all the time up here) this is silliness.
MR. Bill @ 208
A stupid law in Georgia? Remember when Kennesaw made it mandatory to have a gun?
raven @ 207
Well how did they do, Raven?
The schools here are just fair. I had always known as a parent that I was responsible for my kids education in some ways, making sure they went to museums and having stuff to read. (Son Ross, the manga kid, asked for my copy of Dante’s Commedia as it’s referenced in one of his favorite titles..)
Both my boys are B and better students; and the Daughter has begun working her English track into Library Science.
raven @ 209
Yah well, this is the august State that perpetrated the Yazoo Land Fraud, one of the causes of the Mississippi Bubble, and thus the French Revolution. And we only have so sodding many counties because of the racist County Unit system..
MR. Bill @ 210
Well, we know that a regular diploma has limited value so an “equivalence” can’t really be expected to be more. The point of my work was to look at why they quit, why they went back and the meaning they attached to the experience. My study was prompted by an “econometric” work that said “you can’t make a silk purse out of a pigs ear”. The motivations are varied as are the results. Two important things I think. One, quitting school is a very good option for many. Two, there has to be a mechanism for folks to have that second chance. I got my GED in Korea in 1967 so it was a long and winding road.
Good morning, pups. It’s Bobo and Krugman today. Bobo says Ronald Reagan could have done something wonderful if he’d mentioned civil rights at the Neshoba County Fair. He didn’t. Bobo then goes on to buff St. Ronnie’s image. Mr. Krugman says the reality is that the best foreign health care systems do as well or better than the U.S. system, while costing far less money. Maybe somebody should get Rudy aside and whisper this in his shell-like ear.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee and tea are ready, and hot chocolate because it’s under 40 degrees. I’ve also got banana pancakes, because I think bananas and chocolate are delicious together. I had a funny/silly dream and woke up laughing this morning — it’s a good way to start the day! Have a great Friday.
raven -
There was a similar article in the closest daily yesterday. I stopped using the anti-bacterial soaps a while back and don’t allow a drop of bleach down the lines b/c of having a septic system so, at least from my perspective, I call bullsh*t, too. Hell’s bells and codfish….the d*mn plants are gonna die anyway and if they can limp along on gray water ’til a few drops fall from the sky, tante mieux. Next on the agenda is catching what I can in containers during showers.
Trex is gonna love the fact that Gov. sonny plans to crank up a “pray for water” get-together. Lotsa interestin’ comments on that one in the AJ. *g*
Waccamaw @ 214
He’s a pagan!
Thank you Marion. I go for oatmeal… and dream of buttered english muffins…
Marion -
What’s the story on John Barrow, your rep for Savannah? Good guy? Bad guy? Useless?
The reason I ask is from watching a rerun of the Tuesday hearing with Nord from the Consumer Product Safety Commission earlier this morning in which he was one of the questioners. First I had ever seen of him.
GAK! That woman turns my stomach sour. One of the things she was there to do was rebut some of the negative things that have been said recently about the agency. She was asked whether it was true there was only one employee testing toys. Not accurate, said she; there are a “number” of full-time employees doing toy product testing. Of course, there were thugs there to get that response but what was totally frustrating was that she gave the same response to a Dem who was too “dim” to dissect her answer. As in…..give me a “specific” number of full-time employees AND do each of them work “full-time” on ONLY toy testing? You gotta wonder whether these people have enough brain cells to rub together to produce a spark.
I was sort of hoping for a Texas Cage match between Sonny and Charlie Crist to decide the water issue….Winner takes the Chattahoochee.
MR. Bill — just for you I broke out the toaster. [Hands over a plate of toasted Thomas’ English muffins, with butter in all the nooks and crannies.]
Waccamaw @ 217
He’s from Athens and moved down there to get elected. He is a pompous ass hole who was on our city council for years.
MMM muffins…Now if we could just get some Friday Pie from FAFBlog..
Sorry for the typo, Barrow is from Athens. Did I mention he is an ass hole?
MR. Bill @ 218
Love the fact that it’s only thug governors in this spit fight, iirc. *g*
Waccamaw, John Barrow is a DINO for the most part, but he may be salvageable. I think he feels he’s gotta be Republican Lite because of Fort Stewart and Hunter Army Airfield. Can’t have him called “soft on defense,” can we? He did come down on the right side of SCHIP, and even had TV ads out about it.
To be fair, Raven, he had to move because they tried to redistrict him out of his seat. He’s better (slightly) than the dickweed we had before him.
Marion in Savannah @ 224
He’s a calculating, manipulative snake. Don’t kid yourself.
Marion in Savannah @ 225
Yea, and you can have him.
Well, the other stellar Congresscritter from this neck of the woods is Jack Kingston who made such a fool of himself with Steven Colbert, and who also voted against SCHIP. He’s a beauty, is our Jack…
All right, love you all, mean it. Have an easier day (installing light fixtures, including an absurd plastic ‘deer antler’ chandelier ..), and a nite with my guy. You have a good weekend (rain chances next week), look at leaves, work for peace…
MR. Bill -
Shoot! Go for broke…..here’s some homemade peach jam to go on Marion’s muffin.
raven -
Yeah, kinda got the *sshole part. *G* Didn’t come across as too swuft on the telly but I’ll take Marion’s input into consideration.
Marion in Savannah @ 228
The only thing I will concede is that Barrow is better than Kingston. That’s only because he is smarter with his Harvard Law degree. You have to have seen him in action for 15 years to understand him.
MR. Bill — plastic antlers? OOH, sounds GORGEOUS! I gotta get me some of those… /snark
Waccamaw @ 230
Oh, he’s plenty smart. See my above comment. I didn’t just arrive at this conclusion for seeing him on TV. This is a small town and you get to know people fairly well.
Raven, God willing we won’t have to put up with either of them for 15 years. (Yeah, well, I clapped for Tinkerbell too….)
Moved to save his seat….hmmmmm….that speaks not well. Has the scent of professional politicial; but then, aren’t all of them with the possible exception of some of the newbies? And I give *them* maybe another year to become infected. :-(
Marion in Savannah @ 234
I know your heart is in the right place.
Marion in Savannah @ 232
You would be in stitches at some of the cutsy ‘cabin’ decor. Moose motifs..there hasn’t been a moose in these here parts since the end of the last ice age. That and the ‘hillbilly’ icon. THIS hillbilly thinks some of these folks, overwhelmingly republican to see the Coulter/O’reilly books in the shelves are tasteless twits….
Y’all take it easy…
Man, some of these Pakistani cops look like they are in ZZ Top!
raven @ 238
On MSNBC, are you? That whole country is gonna go up in smoke in what looks like the not too distance future. A pox on bushco!
Curious George Bush dolls recalled!
I love it when a plan comes together…karma, baby. Would that it were that simple with the real thing.
morning.
Waccamaw @ 240
That is funny. Is there really a recall on curious george dolls?
tw3k -
I was only listening with half an ear but I could have sworn the word “bush” was tacked onto “Curious George” and they were talking about toy recalls. It’s scar’s show and I wasn’t paying attention to who was talking. Maybe just wishful thinkin’ on what my brain *wanted* to hear. ;-) Don’t want to give ya wrongful info.; I know nothin’ about kid’s toys.
tw3k @ 242
Yes….and good morning
That is funny, Chinese manufactures have a sense of humor after all!
just catching up on the mukasey vote last night. i couldn’t watch the kabuki of senators speaking out against his nomination, but not being willing to actually do anything to block it. what fuckery.
so, the mukasey nomination passed 53 to 40:
without the unanimous consent agreement it would have taken 60 votes to pass. which means that some dems voting no (or not voting) really wanted the nomination to pass but wanted to pretend otherwise. the rest of the dems, even those voting “no”, helped to draw the curtain over what happened by not objecting to the unanimous consent agreement – which would have forced senators to cast real votes.
as hugh said:
dems voting yes:
dems not voting:
this morning i hate every single senator and i hate my party.
other than that, i’m sure it will be a great day.
Good morning!
Difference between an optimist and a pessimist:
Optimist says Good morning, God!
Pessimist says Good God, morning!
ymmv between the two.
solai -
What does the thing look like….ie. Bush or an animal or ?
GAK! scar is praising Hillary to the heavens; she just needs to “keep Bill on a short leash.” Glad I ain’t et breakfast yet.
So sad … ’tis “plush” dolls.
Curious George recall
Rats. Have a good day.
egregious @ 247
dare i ask what you call the person who says “morning” and then wonders what the senate did last night? *g*
Waccamaw @ 248
Curious George? It’s a stuffed animal with a plastic face. I think it’s the paint on the face thats toxic. It’s modeled after the ‘Curious George’ books for kids. Been around for decades. Nothing to do with Bush.
selise @ 250
a firepup!
good morning
prostratedragon @ 249
They didn’t make one with a crown. Bummer!
selise @ 250
a masochist!
solai @ 251
Furious George?
Anyone watch Tucker last night? Anyone ever watch him? Anyway this is from DKos:
What an ass.
Morning all, According to Raven, some GA counties outlaw gray water for the use of outdoor watering. Should I turn myself in? Although normally I’m a law abiding citizen, I do have to admit to using some gray water to nurse my pansies. Tuesday is prayer day for rain, which by the way is in the forecast, maybe I’ll ask for forgiveness instead. Geez!
Marion in Savannah @ 219
[Waiting patiently for the next plate…]
Is the House taking up the war funding bill today? How’s that bill looking?
JPL @ 257
nothing like a faith based approach to science :/
egregious @ 258
I’m doing the Kucinich green tea thing here today!
I’m off to spend a few hours tromping thru a piece of inherited timberland that’s normally not accessible; the swamp has so dried up that it s/b possible to see as much area as my legs will endure. Not sure if Poppa was ever able to check out the entire tract; he would approve of this activity. :-)
Hold the fort and I’ll catch up with you guys later.
solai @ 259
The ‘dems’ are just checking with the WH to see how they should vote.
mornin all!
Iraq OKs Raids on Blackwater
BTW…Joe Scar thinks Bernie Kerik was framed because people hate him for cleaning up NYC. No rebuttal.
scott horton has a posted a lovely quote from burke:
59 schoolchildren died in Afghan blast
The attack in the northern province of Baghlan on Tuesday killed at least 75 people. The dead children were ages eight to 18, said Zahoor Afghan, an Education Ministry spokesman.
Five teachers were also among those killed in the attack, the worst in the country since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion toppled the Taliban militant movement from power. Six lawmakers also died.
Bhutto under house arrest in Pakistan
Bhutto tried twice to leave by car but was blocked by police after a scuffle with her supporters who tried to remove a barricade. The former prime minister had planned to address a rally in nearby Rawalpindi, defying a ban on public gatherings.
A suicide bombing at the home of a Pakistan government minister in the northwestern city of Peshawar, meanwhile, killed at least four people, police said. The minister was unhurt.
I still can’t shake the feeling that while Rice and Bush are supporting Bhutto, Cheney’s working behind the scene (directly with Musharaf) to undermine them.
twolf1 @ 269
Bhutto under house arrest in Pakistan
Bhutto tried twice to leave by car but was blocked by police after a scuffle with her supporters who tried to remove a barricade. The former prime minister had planned to address a rally in nearby Rawalpindi, defying a ban on public gatherings.
A suicide bombing at the home of a Pakistan government minister in the northwestern city of Peshawar, meanwhile, killed at least four people, police said. The minister was unhurt.
.
silly you, she’s not under house arrest, they’re providing security for her!
link
solai @ 270
and i can’t shake the feeling that the whole thing is kabuki. (not arguing it is – it’s just my intuition, there’s no evidence that i know of)
who was it around here who said maybe we’re one archduke assassination away from WW III?
for anyone as pissed off at the senate as i am – glenn greenwald explains it all.
The man was wise. We see this happening here everyday.
Scarecrow is here with the morning wisdom.
Giuliani Gets America’s Stupidest Endorsement
selise @ 246
okay. I know I’ve read this before but forget. can someone give a quick rundown on why it didn’t have to be 60 votes?
notableabsence @ 277
Glen Greenwald
Wankuz, all.