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		<title>By: Allison In Seattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison In Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or — all too believable. What a nerve.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.</p>
<p>Or — all too believable. What a nerve.</p>
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		<title>By: IceJustIce</title>
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		<dc:creator>IceJustIce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Loosie,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hate to tell you this, but this isn’t a Schlozzie/Hans/Tanner special screw-the-voters suit.  The attorney who is behind this is a loyal liberal Dem who stays in his office every day with the door closed because he doesn’t care for Tanner and his ilk.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Voting Section at DOJ has committed plenty of sins and has hired lots of idiots.  The guy prosecuting this suit is not one of them.  He was in the Section under Joe Rich and is a committed supporter of voting rights.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This case is actually about accessibility for the disabled, not about voter purges, phony vote fraud claims, or suppression.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is sad, however, that John Tanner, Susana Lorenzo-Giguere, Yvette Rivera, Hans von Spakovsky, and Brad Schlozman have done such damage to the reputation of the Voting Section that every action the Section takes is immediately suspect.  I don’t blame anybody for suspecting ulterior motives.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loosie,</p>
<p>Hate to tell you this, but this isn’t a Schlozzie/Hans/Tanner special screw-the-voters suit.  The attorney who is behind this is a loyal liberal Dem who stays in his office every day with the door closed because he doesn’t care for Tanner and his ilk.</p>
<p>The Voting Section at DOJ has committed plenty of sins and has hired lots of idiots.  The guy prosecuting this suit is not one of them.  He was in the Section under Joe Rich and is a committed supporter of voting rights.</p>
<p>This case is actually about accessibility for the disabled, not about voter purges, phony vote fraud claims, or suppression.</p>
<p>It is sad, however, that John Tanner, Susana Lorenzo-Giguere, Yvette Rivera, Hans von Spakovsky, and Brad Schlozman have done such damage to the reputation of the Voting Section that every action the Section takes is immediately suspect.  I don’t blame anybody for suspecting ulterior motives.</p>
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		<title>By: molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;#8..revdeb…We are getting a wind farm here in upper state Maine. The turbines are made by GE…Lots of illegal stuff going on by the company putting in the wind farm and the state of Maine. My neighbor and I both have most emails referring to the wind farm to disappear. I have presumed it is the GE connection…fascist state. But it is very discouraging.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8..revdeb…We are getting a wind farm here in upper state Maine. The turbines are made by GE…Lots of illegal stuff going on by the company putting in the wind farm and the state of Maine. My neighbor and I both have most emails referring to the wind farm to disappear. I have presumed it is the GE connection…fascist state. But it is very discouraging.</p>
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		<title>By: jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Probably EPU’d, but doesn’t one of the scandnavian countries (Norway I believe) have electronic voting? but it is completely above board.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably EPU’d, but doesn’t one of the scandnavian countries (Norway I believe) have electronic voting? but it is completely above board.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty Morlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty Morlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well this might explain why the corporate media is so all fired determined to have Guilliani as the Republican nominee. When the Republicans win New York in the presidential election they can say it was because of Guilliani not the bogus voting machines.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this might explain why the corporate media is so all fired determined to have Guilliani as the Republican nominee. When the Republicans win New York in the presidential election they can say it was because of Guilliani not the bogus voting machines.</p>
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		<title>By: Valley Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valley Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1084841&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheadprop @ 187&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1084752&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Valley Girl @ 180&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lwvny.org/contact.html&quot;&gt;League of Women Voters of New York State&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LHP- has League of Women Voters been contacted?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Contact info has phone #.  I would phone, but as I am out of state, I don’t have the same creds as someone in state might have.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will send this to a friend in a local org (Tompkins County).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They already sent out a press release full of outrage. They didn’t need me to call them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks, LHP!  I just went back to the site and couldn’t find a current press release.  So, if you or anyone has a link, please post.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The League of Women Voters does incredibly good work.  If only they were still running the presidential debates.  What a difference that would make.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1084841"><em>looseheadprop @ 187</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1084752"><em>Valley Girl @ 180</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.lwvny.org/contact.html">League of Women Voters of New York State</a></p>
<p>LHP- has League of Women Voters been contacted?</p>
<p>Contact info has phone #.  I would phone, but as I am out of state, I don’t have the same creds as someone in state might have.</p>
<p>I will send this to a friend in a local org (Tompkins County).</p>
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<p>They already sent out a press release full of outrage. They didn’t need me to call them.</p>
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<p>Thanks, LHP!  I just went back to the site and couldn’t find a current press release.  So, if you or anyone has a link, please post.  </p>
<p>The League of Women Voters does incredibly good work.  If only they were still running the presidential debates.  What a difference that would make.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1084836&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheadprop @ 186&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1084693&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 175&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheney…Yes. The only prohibition is that a President cannot serve more than two FULL TERMs. That’s why Bill possibly couldn’t serve as VP, as that would make him eligible to be President if Hillary died or incapacitated. Then again, perhaps the chain of succession would simply skip over an ineligible person in the line of succession.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I really can’t think that a former President  couldn’t serve in some of the lower offices listed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As did John Adams, IIRC&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t believe that a two-term President could then be elected VP.  The max time IIRC from the 22 amendment is ten years total, that is, two years of a previous pres’s term plus two terms on own.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John Q Adams served in the House after losing his re-election bid.  But that was also prior to the 22 Amendment&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1084836"><em>looseheadprop @ 186</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1084693"><em>cinnamonape @ 175</em></a></p>
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<p>Cheney…Yes. The only prohibition is that a President cannot serve more than two FULL TERMs. That’s why Bill possibly couldn’t serve as VP, as that would make him eligible to be President if Hillary died or incapacitated. Then again, perhaps the chain of succession would simply skip over an ineligible person in the line of succession.</p>
<p>I really can’t think that a former President  couldn’t serve in some of the lower offices listed.</p>
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<p>As did John Adams, IIRC</p>
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<p>I don’t believe that a two-term President could then be elected VP.  The max time IIRC from the 22 amendment is ten years total, that is, two years of a previous pres’s term plus two terms on own.</p>
<p>John Q Adams served in the House after losing his re-election bid.  But that was also prior to the 22 Amendment</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1084752&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Valley Girl @ 180&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lwvny.org/contact.html&quot;&gt;League of Women Voters of New York State&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LHP- has League of Women Voters been contacted?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Contact info has phone #.  I would phone, but as I am out of state, I don’t have the same creds as someone in state might have.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will send this to a friend in a local org (Tompkins County).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They already sent out a press release full of outrage. They didn’t need me to call them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1084752"><em>Valley Girl @ 180</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.lwvny.org/contact.html">League of Women Voters of New York State</a></p>
<p>LHP- has League of Women Voters been contacted?</p>
<p>Contact info has phone #.  I would phone, but as I am out of state, I don’t have the same creds as someone in state might have.</p>
<p>I will send this to a friend in a local org (Tompkins County).</p>
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<p>They already sent out a press release full of outrage. They didn’t need me to call them.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1084693&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 175&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1084516&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 99&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are no term limits for the VP, as I understand it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheney…Yes. The only prohibition is that a President cannot serve more than two FULL TERMs. That’s why Bill possibly couldn’t serve as VP, as that would make him eligible to be President if Hillary died or incapacitated. Then again, perhaps the chain of succession would simply skip over an ineligible person in the line of succession.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I really can’t think that a former President  couldn’t serve in some of the lower offices listed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As did John Adams, IIRC&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1084693"><em>cinnamonape @ 175</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1084516"><em>LS @ 99</em></a></p>
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<p>There are no term limits for the VP, as I understand it.</p>
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<p>Cheney…Yes. The only prohibition is that a President cannot serve more than two FULL TERMs. That’s why Bill possibly couldn’t serve as VP, as that would make him eligible to be President if Hillary died or incapacitated. Then again, perhaps the chain of succession would simply skip over an ineligible person in the line of succession.</p>
<p>I really can’t think that a former President  couldn’t serve in some of the lower offices listed.</p>
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<p>As did John Adams, IIRC</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1084645&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;alank @ 170&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why doesn’t the state file a counter lawsuit?  You listed numerous grounds for such action.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s interesting how all this was under Pataki’s watch.  You would’ve thought he would’ve rammed this through the way other Republican governors had done. Odd.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush and Rove didn’t like Pataki (or D’Amato either–which is odd, you’d thik they would have seen him as a kindred spirit?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thye treat Patacki like crap, there is no way they would have included him in the loop&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1084645"><em>alank @ 170</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Why doesn’t the state file a counter lawsuit?  You listed numerous grounds for such action.</p>
<p>It’s interesting how all this was under Pataki’s watch.  You would’ve thought he would’ve rammed this through the way other Republican governors had done. Odd.</p>
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<p>Bush and Rove didn’t like Pataki (or D’Amato either–which is odd, you’d thik they would have seen him as a kindred spirit?)</p>
<p>Thye treat Patacki like crap, there is no way they would have included him in the loop</p>
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