NOTE for our NYC-area readers: Today, at 2:00 p.m., there will be a press conference in opposition to the DoJ's motion. It will be on the steps of City Hall, called by the Chairman of the City Council's Governmental Operations committee, Simcha Felder. Come on down and be part of the support crowd; we need all the turnout we can get. Directions to the rally and reasons for it below. Read on...
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This may be a little complicated and hard to follow, so you might want to get a cup of coffee or a RedBull or something to help you concentrate.
Remember HAVA? The totally misnamed, designed to do the opposite, "Help America to Vote Act"? It was passed in the wake of the 2000 hanging chad scandal. It appeared to have some laudable goals, such as forcing the states to make the voting experience handicapped accessible, and provided money to the states to "update" their voting systems to comply with its requirements. Coming from the Administartion that LUVS unfunded mandates, it sounds almost too good to be true, doesn't it?
And by now you know why. It was yet another con, a really dangerous con if you believe in voting.
HAVA had a ridiculously and arbitrarily short time frame for purchasing the new machines. States who didn't buy in time, would still have to comply with the Upgrade requirements, but would lose out on the federal funding. Predictably, elections officials rushed out to buy untested and uncertified DRE's (electronic voting systems), most of which did not provide auditable voter verified paper trails. These state officials were assured that they could buy now with confidence and the devices would pass the certification tests with flying colors, after the fact.
You all have left link after link in the comments about this county in Florida or that state in the west which decided to scrap almost brand new voting machinery BECAUSE IT DOES NOT WORK and will now have to purchase another system at the expense of the taxpayers of that state.
Those are the brave elections officials who are willing to step up and admit they got scammed. This is the electoral equivalent of the formaldehyde steeped FEMA trailers that could not be used after Katrina. This is a gigantic procurement fraud sitting right under our noses and nobody is reporting it.
Wait, it gets worse.
For a long time, New York State has been the gold standard in how election day is run (I won't get into our crazy ballot access rules---you can ask John McCain about them), but the actual conduct of the election itself---New York does better than anybody. So, the way that NYS implements HAVA will be the ceiling, not the floor, for how elections will be conducted in the other 49 states.
The New York State Board of Elections (NYSBOE) takes this whole voting thing VERY SERIOUSLY. So, when HAVA was passed they took the time to ACTUALLY READ THE WHOLE STATUTE. I know, I know, that's kinda radical and fringy these days when so many of our elected officials feel free to vote for legislation that they don't bother to read, but I digress.
New York State went to the trouble of passing its own HAVA implementation legislation which spelled out testing and certification standards including a voter verified paper trail. Thereafter, months were spent drafting and approving agency rules and procedures. A tremendous amount of thoughtful work went into this and thousands of attorney hours.
As you might imagine, NYS could not possibly complete all this due diligence before the expiration of the arbitrary and inadaquate HAVA deadline for the purchase of new machines.
In March 2006, DOJ sued NYS in federal court to compel the state to comply with the HAVA deadlines. At the time, no one yet had any reason to suspect that the DOJ Civil Rights Division had been taken over by hacks and corrupted by the like of Brad Schlozman, Hans von Spakovsky and John Tanner. NYS erroneously believed it to be a regular lawsuit brought in good faith because NY had missed the deadline.
Accordingly, NY State's defense centered around explaining to the court the reason WHY the deadline had been missed and showing that the NYSBOE had been diligently and actively working through the process with all due speed. And the judge seemed to be getting it.
However, as the revelations about the warping of the civil rights division from an entity that promoted fair elections to an entity used to facilitate Karl Rove's dirty tricks regime began to emerge, concerns began to form that maybe the DOJ had NOT brought this suit in good faith.
On Tuesday, November 6th---Election Day all over New York State---those concerns solidified and were borne out.
DOJ chose that day to serve a motion seeking to take away NY State's right to select and acquire its own voting machine system. I shit you not, DOJ wants to take away my state's right to control its own election process. And you thought the GOP supported state's rights?
I'm not kidding. Here's an except from DOJ's Notice of Motion:
The United States will move this Court, before the Honorable Gary l. Sharp at the United States District Court for the Northern District of New York, 455 Broadway, Albany, New York 12207, on December 6, 2007 at 9:00 a.m., or at such other time as the court may direct, Pursuant to the court's equitable authority to enforce its own lawful orders and Section 401 of HAVA, 42 U.S.C. 15511, for an Order:
1) Finding the defendants in violation of the June 6, 2006 Remedial Order entered in this action and in continuing violation of section 301 of HAVA, 43 U.S.C. 15301;
2) Enjoining defendants to take immediate and specific steps to carry out their extant obligations under that Order and under HAVA;
3) Granting such additional and further relief as this court deems proper and just.
In case you think I'm misconstruing the Notice of Motion, let me give you a tidbit from the accompanying Memo of Law:
In the absence of evidence of the demonstrated ability and willingness of the SBOE itself to make immediate progress towards these goals as reflected in new and/or existing Court mandates, The Court may have to consider taking compliance out of the hands of the State and placing it in the hands of the Court or others appointed by the Court to achieve compliance with federal law.
Today, at 2:00 p.m., there will be a press conference in opposition to the DoJ. It will be on the steps of City Hall, called by the Chairman of the City Council's Governmental Operations committee, Simcha Felder. Come on down and be part of the support crowd; we need all the turnout we can get.
Take the 4, 5, or 6 train to Brooklyn Bridge, the R or W train to City Hall, or the 2 or 3 train to Park Place.
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LHP!
Justice!
Thank you for helping us understand this critical issue, Loosehead.
state rights anyone?? oh yeah, repubs are the party of corporate rights!
Crimeny!!!
Signs on freeways, people… signs on freeways…
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.....posts.html
more fun than voting.
Hi LHP,
I knew a new post was a-comin’…now to read.
They will go to any lengths to mess with fair voting. Don’t forget, 9/11 occurred on election day in NYC…just a little trivia.
I’m just realizing that I have not been getting any e-mails from PFAW or the ACLU since I moved to PA. Move-On e-mails disappeared too until I signed up again. I moved my alias over from Comcast to Verizon but that is just re-routing an alias—should have no effect on getting stuff, unless . . . . .
Are the ACLU and PFAW sitting these out or is Verizon f*cking with my e-mail?
I hope there is a money back guarantee…
LHP, please forgive the OT but the Senate has joined the House in overriding the President’s veto of the Water Bill.
Ah…This brings back the old days. I used to live in Park Slope and worked in Midtown Manhattan, near Grand Central.
say it, lhp!
I cannot tell you how unbelievable this is. Every level of gov’t is up in arms. I wonder, however, if this story will even be reported at all.
The federal government is STRIPPING the state of its right to control how it conducts its own elections.
And not just any state, mind you. Noooo, it’s the state with the second biggest number of electoral college votes and which has been reliably blue for GENERATIONS.
Oh, and which Joe Sandler at the DNC has been predicting for a good year now, will be THE battleground state in 2008.
Yep, line up here folks, get your good look at the 2008 election being stolen before the machines have even cooled down from the 2007 election!!
RevDeb @ 8
Check your spam folder and/or check to see if Verizon is blocking them as spam that doesn’t even get to the Spam folder. If the second, you may have to go and tell Verizon that emails from those groups are not Spam. Don’t know the specifics of Verizon’s system butI know some of the ISPs have to be told that certain emails are legit.
This is slightly o/t, slightly relevant.
I talked with a young election volunteer this week and was shocked to learn that every hour, a volunteer updates the list outside the precincts to let people know who voted. The list displays names, addresses, phone numbers, political party, and if the person voted yet. Literally outside flying in the breeze. It is posted outside so reporters (and anyone else) can look at it.
This is in SF. Is this done everywhere?
The lengths to which these hooligans go have ceased to surprise me. How anyone can continue to take their actions at face value is beyond me…
do-si-do @ 9
OK that’s a lot o’ snark *g*
do-si-do @ 15
Not in NY, though a reporter or a person with a poll watcher’s certificate can look at the voter sign in book to see who has voted yet
In Bush v Gore, didn’t they take Florida’s
voting rights away?
Off with their fucking heads.
The 2008 election will be wrought with
Repug voter fraud…
Who is New York State to contest the Republicans’ G*d given right to fix elections?
looseheadprop @ 17
haha! Remember the movie “Breaking Away” with the kid who cycles and pretends to be Italian? His dad is a used car salesman who has a heart attack when his kid offers a customer a refund.
“Refund? Refund!”
dakine01 @ 14
I periodically check both my computer’s spam folder and Verizon’s. Nothing was to be found.
So the question is, where have the ACLU and PFAW been on these issues. Have you all been hearing from them?
looseheadprop @ 18
Yes. See who has voted yet, but not how they have voted. I thought they were supposed to be secret ballots. Otherwise, why bother with the privacy screens.
Good Lord.
That is going to be ugly. This is one huge reason to get these Republicans far away from the levers of power, they can be counted on to twist power and the rule of law to fit their needs to thwart fair elections.
ROOOOOOOOOOOVE!
That boy needs to be in jail.
looseheadprop @ 18
OK, I guess that’s about the same thing. It just seemed so invasive and public to me to have my political party on display. My paranoia stems from my recent “defection/recovery” from the fascist party into the Reality party. I never vote party lines, but still…
Hugh @ 20
We spent literally thousands of hours writing detailed regulations (down to specifying how durable the paper and ink have to be on the Voter verified paper trail) to get this done right.
NYS really has crafted an amazingly good set of rules. The vendors are in an uproar. I may do a later post with another quote from the brief that essentially says that the reason for the motion is that the vendors lobbying attempts failed, so what they could not get from the NYS BOE or the NYS Legislature by cajoling or bribrey, they are now trying to get from the judge
EPUed:
If you would like a high resolution image of the shredded constitution to print out and fax please go to this link:
abused constitution
looseheadprop @ 13
Don’t forget, it is also the state that the Democratic front-runner for President currently represents in the Senate.
RevDeb @ 22
I’ve gotten a couple of emails from PFAW yesterday and day before and ACLU on Tuesday as well. Can I get your email addy and forward them to you?
I wonder, can NYS countersue on grounds of bad faith?
It would seem to be an easy enough charge to prove.
RevDeb
I’ve been hearing from PFAW, but it isn’t going through a telecom e-mail provider (Earthlink and USA.net).
I’m not usually one to look at the bright side, but going to these lengths to steal the NY vote indicates that at least they still believe they need to have elections. They aren’t going to declare martial law by next November. Of course, I suppose it’s worse in the long run if we still have elections but no one believes they are valid anymore. I guess that’s worse than martial law–so there is no bright side after all. I wish I were in NYC to come to City Hall today.
Bustednuckles @ 24
First they try to change (the state with the most electoral votes) California’s all or nothing electoral vote designation. Now they are going after the #2 state. NYS always goes blue.
This is why Rudy is attractive to the GOP as a nominee.
dakine01 @ 29
my screen name at mac dot com.
Thanks.
Odd how I get all sorts of junk but nothing from the orgs. trying to support the rule of law.
Funny, huh?
JF @ 28
Most folks I know are bracing themsleves for a “subway series” Presidential election.
This has been my worst fear. I crowed about this in 2004, because discover magazine had an article on hacking into voter machines. I crowed about it in 2006 when HBO had it’s special and showed us right on t.v how easy it was for hackers to hack in and change votes on different machines…and did it without leaving a trace. Also having a paper trail was not effective because the paper said the vote picked by the voter, but the machine tallied the opposing vote…no kidding here!! But I feel that no one has taken this seriously.
For me, this is the essence, the foundation of democracy. If we lose secure elections, then we have lost our democracy…and my humble opinion as well as the opinion of some scholars is that we have not had secure elections and voting since 2000. That’s right, there is some evidence that the 2000 election was tampered with where there were voting machines and we all know about the other methods that were used to discourage voting.
This cannot be tolerated…I remember getting criticized likely crazy for suggesting that our voting system was tampered with, and that the machines had been hacked. I cited the discover magazine article many times before, but I don’t know it does any good. The writers predicted what happened in 2004, you can still read the article today..but I am tired of posting it. Do people care??
This is more important than the war, than global warming and even torture…and I feel really strongly about all of them, but to me, this explains why we have all felt so powerless, why our democratic congress doesn’t act. They feel insecure, they don’t understand that there is a disconnect between the voting results and the american people. Voting has been a sham since the year 2000 at least.
I’ll post a link to the discover magazine article of 2004, if any one cares…it predicts exactly what happened to Kerry. We bought it because it was a “close” race, and because we saw Kerry as ‘weak’. It’s all about creating enough spin and then manipulating the votes. It will keep happening as long as it works and as long as people are in denial about it.
This is also why republicans want Clinton to win. They believe it will be easy to spin a “close” race and that the american people will buy. As I have seen touted before on this very site…we must not propagate the republican sound bite that Hillary is unelectable or unpopular because it makes it so much easier for them to cheat. NO KIDDING. Then when the votes are tallied and she has lost, the american public will shrug and say “well she was a weak candidate anyway…just like we all did with John Kerry.”
OT..
You mean the 11,000 formaldehyde soaked trailers sinking in the mud at the Hope, Arkansas airport? Well all is not lost, FEMA is starting to send some to So. Cal for the fire victims.
dakine01 @ 10
Hope the Rethugs learn to love the feeling of overriding and not getting struck by lightening.
RevDeb @ 34
On the way - the graphics won’t come through I don’t think but the basic info should be OK
Bustednuckles @ 30
It would involve a major shift in tactics by the State AG’s office who is defending the suit.
The case began when (now Governor) Elliot Spitzer was AG. Current AG Andy Cuomo inherited the case and its existing procedural posture.
It may be that one or more voters’ rights groups might seek to intervene. That has been a constant topic of discussion. Or maybe, I and some other loudmouths here in the Empire State may be able to get the State AG to make a bold shift in tactics.
Bustednuckles @ 30
I’m waiting to see what Andrew Cuomo does with this - he has very big teeth, that one.
LHP,
I have 3pm meeting in Soho. WOuld my presence there for 1/2 hour be worthwhile?
Is there a law against paper ballots?
Katie Jensen @36
Great comment. It should be its own post. thanks.
do-si-do @ 15
I worked as an election inspector in SF during the 80’s and 90’s. I never heard of such an idea.
Somebody SPOTLIGHT this post!!
Eureka Springs @ 45
Another question: how do news organizations figure out what percentage of the vote is in at certain points during election day? I always wondered how they knew that and thought perhaps this list posting had something to do with that…
I need some tech help here.
What is a ‘Trackback’ and how do I use it?
OT…
iht
It doesn’t look as if the Fed is going to be able to push the crash forward to ‘09.
The #1 thru #10 issue for Nov ‘08, the economy stupid.
The State Board of Elections met yesterday at noon. Some activists were allowed to speak before the Board went into executive session with the state attorneys. I spent the morning before the meeting sending out a press release alerting the media to this development. The only reporting I have seen thus far was the Albany Times Union and the ABC affiliate in Albany. Can’t believe the media has ignored this. (Or sadly I can) I posted some information to the New York Net Roots Google Group and will also post to the group site on facebook as soon as there is a report back from the SBOE meeting yesterday.
Katie Jensen @ 36
(my bold)
This sounds a lot like we should not criticize Hillary. If Hillary wants to improve her popularity among the Democratic and progressive base, maybe she should stop acting like A) they don’t exist or B) they are the enemy.
SanderO @ 42
The more people who show up the more likely it will get covered on the news
ES @ 45
I’ve seen the lists posted just outside, so people can make sure they’re registered in the precinct, but not with anything to say that they’ve voted. (It can be nerve-wracking, when you move shortly before an election, and aren’t sure that the address change got through the system.)
Paper ballots - mark them, know for sure how you voted … and hope it gets counted that same way.
I’m on my way!
looseheadprop @ 52
I don’t know whether NYC issues voter registration cards, but if so, bring those along and hold them up for the cameras.
looseheadprop @ 35
Yep. Subway series indeed. And it won’t be pretty. It will be nasty and dragged out. And I can’t wait.
Fern @ 43
Interestingly the only solution that would comply with NYS standards and the federal standards, although this is not widely advertised, is hand counted paper ballots — a process used by many western European democracies and in some state election districts, but widely resisted by most American election officials.
P J Evans @ 53
It seems that even with optical scan ballots they have found ways of messing with the data that is sent in to the states. There is no clear cut way other than how the Brits do it. Written ballots counted by human beings on teevee with people looking over their shoulders.
If they can do it that way, so can we.
What would happen if the Sec. of state, assuming the feds prevail, refuses to comply with a court order to purchase “rove” machines and goes ahead with elections using the state approved machines. Can the feds disallow the election results?
How the heck would the feds stop the elections from going ahead?
What will these people try next.
Fern @ 43
No, as long as you have ballot marking devices to make them handi capped accessable. This the DOJ? Rove trying to force DRE’s and certain Optical Scan devices that run Microsoft code that the State cannot audit down our throats.
A key feature of the NYS plan is that ALL computer code has to be either open source or else escrowed with the State so that if someone alleges that coputer code wa either malicias from inception or has been tmapered with/hacked, we cna go back an audit it to see if the election results are fraudulent.
I have been working on how to fraud proof NYS elections for the past 7 fucking years. We made so much progress, it took a long time to build concensus with te republicans in this state.
And Whammo! This punk thinks he’s going to destroy all that with one badly written set of motions papers.
Here’s my Total Voting Goodness System (TVGS)
1. Mark sense forms. Can’t go wrong with #2 pencils and bubbles. Machine can’t read ‘em? Go over ‘em by hand. No hanging chads, no problem.
2. Bingo card daubers. Need to make it handicap-accessible? No problem. Give the voter a big version of the same ballot and a bingo card dauber. Nearly everybody can daub a big blob of ink on a piece of paper. Since there would be relatively few of these, reading them by hand would be no problem at all.
Voting isn’t rocket science. We shouldn’t ought to make it so just because the Federal Government says we should. What are they going to do? Throw Andrew Cuomo in jail?
LS @ 46
Please, not only to the news outlets, to your conrgessional delagations
Biodun @ 56
Or it will be like the real Subway Series, and the Yankees will win in four games.
Re: subway series:
I’m not a Hillary supporter. But if she’s the nominee I will hold my nose and definitely vote for her. My take: In a Hillary-Giuliani race Hillary wins. It might be close. But she wins. If she loses, then this country is really in worse shape than we think.
DOJ to NYS: “You gotta HAVA faulty voting machine.”
Katie Jensen @ 36
Did you post a link to the Discover article later in the comments, Katie Jensen? I hope so. I’ll keep reading in the hope it comes up soon.
Funny, but the Voting Rights section of the DOJ Civil Rights division hasn’t got anything up on their “what’s new” page of their website. You’d think that if they’re going to take over the voting process of the most populous state in the nation, they’d want to stand up and crow about it.
nomolos @ 59
In NYS the county elections commissioners purchase the machines. NYS BOE was going to certify a bunch of machines, and the counties were going to purchase off the pre-certified list.
If they refuse to do it? I have no clue what will happpen. I really don’t
Hugh @ 51
C) Supporting republican policy.
Steaming Pile @ 61
Bingo dabbers is brilliant.
My corollary to your excellent plan - separate party affiliation from voter registration. This business of having your party affiliation right on the voters list is just asking for trouble. You want to pick party candidates? Join the party.
This quote is somewhat worrisome:
PRESIDENT BUSH: “I spoke to President Musharraf right before I came over here to visit with President Sarkozy. And my message was that we believe strongly in elections, and that you ought to have elections soon, and you need to take off your uniform. You can’t be the President and the head of the military at the same time.”
We “believe”…..?
You can’t be Commander-in-Chief and President?
WTF???
Debra Bowen in California is just what the doctor ordered!
Paper ballots marked with a pencils. It would seem to be a reasonable idea to get an accurate count that takes a few days, rather than quick and dubious results. Other countries in the world manage to get millions of national election ballots counted overnight.
Oh? did I say reasonable? Oops, My bad.
Peterr @ 67
Maybe they thought we wouldn’t notice?
Seriously though folks, this is not just NY’s problem. Right now decent elections officials in other states are trying to upgrade or replace the faulty piece o’ crap systems they were rushed into buying, so they can get some integrity back in YOUR elections. If NYS is forced to downgrade to Rove selected machines, the wind will go right out the sails of those other states.
And Diebold wins the elections
City attorney in SF is suing the election machine company for not getting it right
$300k in extra costs due to the wrong software
BaldPrairie @ 73
The thing is, it doesn’t need to take a few days. In Canadian federal elections, most of the votes are tallied and reported within a couple of hours. Really.
I was really amazed in the last US federal election how long it took for some of the returns to come in.
While I applaud the House Judiciary Committee on today’s torture hearing, the witnesses were excellent in debunking Republican talking points, I can’t pass up this dismissive response to the Kucinich Impeach Cheney Resolution:
(my bold)
“Preliminary matter” meaning they are not going to spend 5 seconds on it. Pelosi and Conyers are determined to keep impeachment off the table.
What he means in US terms is that Musharraf can’t be Pentagon Chief of Staff (the military head of the military) and President at the same time. The US Commander-in-Chief is the civilian head of the military.
Suz, sent me this in an email
DOJ Is Trying To Take Over NYS’ Selection of Voting Machines
And Schumer voted in committee to confirm the guy who wants to preside over this?
Will someone tell these jerks that 4 PM election day is too late to fix this stuff?
looseheadprop @ 74
Quick - call Jimmy Carter to monitor NYS elections…
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lhp–
Why can’t NYS just go to paper ballots?
Hugh @ 77
Hugh, I read that as 1) snark b/c of what the house gop pulled on Tuesday
2) actually a sign of progress that they are actually allowing the topic to see the light of day.
jayackroyd @ 83
After this experience they might be ready to.
Biodun @ 78
That makes sense.
By the way, paper trails only matter if the voter, and then other people (as in people checking the ballot counting) read them. If this seems elementary, then consider this: if the original voter doesn’t check that the paper trail recorded his selections correctly, then he’s been screwed out of his choices immediately and if no one else checks the legitimacy of the ballot-tracing paper, he can be screwed out of it later. All in all, since voting is anonymous (with no form of receipt or checkability, and no publication) there are many ways people can be cheated between the instant the ballot is cast, to the end of any potential challenge period. Check out blackboxvoting.org for more information. It’s scary as hell.
Just want to say how nice it is to see a high traffic blog writing about voting machines.
LS @ 82
If it goes down to -300 something again today, that’s serious stuff.
Biodun @ 89
I take it we are not talking about the weather.
Quick - call Jimmy Carter to monitor NYS elections…
Hate to say it, but Jimmy Carter is one of the reasons we got vapor voting.