Comments on: Color Of Law: FISA Review, Part II

By: Egypt Steve

Egypt Steve — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:22:14 +0000

Christy — can retroactive immunity be rescinded? I know the Constitution disallows ex-post-facto laws — you can’t criminalize an act after it was committed. But would withdrawal of legal immunity be an ex-post-facto law, since it would simply re-criminalize an act that was, in fact, criminal when it was committed?

Also: what happens, potentially, if a retroactive immunity law is declared unconstitutional, for one reason or another?

Thanks.

By: Ima

Ima — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:06:23 +0000

Excellent posts Christy. Thanks for staying on top of this one!

I think it is important that we support Senator Dodd in his presidential bid. I know he is a long shot, but he is one of only three candidates (Kucinich and Paul being the others) that are talking seriously about restoring the Constitution and civil liberties.

The longer Dodd stays in the race, the longer these issues will be discussed. Once he’s gone, we won’t hear about this for the rest of the election cycle.

Please consider donating even a small amount (chrisdodd.com) to keep him going as long as possible. As Blue America has demonstrated, the little amounts add up.

(P.S. I am not an employee or volunteer for the Dodd campaign).

By: Joan

Joan — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:28:30 +0000

The retroactive immunity isn’t for the telecoms…

It’s for Bush and Cheney!

Mark Klein is not alone. There are many other technicians with knowledge and evidence just like Mark.

They are waiting for the “cover up vote” before they expose the extensive corruption. Then it will be too late.

Watch this vote closely, for those that vote for immunity are voting for the cover up.

Don’t be fooled, everyone voting knows full well what they are doing.

By: Alecia

Alecia — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:09:06 +0000

It would be interesting to know exactly how congress plan on safeguarding citizens against having their intellectual properties and other transactional or business documents from being examined or diverted by the employees who do the sifting through of the emails.

I don’t think that congress have thought the whole matter through thoroughly,leaving Americans who may have found themselves violated without any redress is not the way to go.

By: Sinister eyebrow

Sinister eyebrow — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:28:24 +0000

I think it’s ironic that in civil cases (family law), I routinely subpoena large quantities of phone records for individuals and have yet to be denied. They pony up anything so long as you pay the document fees. No warrant, no nothing, just an ongoing civil action is all that is required.

By: Maddy

Maddy — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:23:44 +0000

I framed my calls to the judiciary with the 4th amendment. Areal no brainer, yet they for the most part would not say anything definitive

Bobby G
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By: Jim the cynic

Jim the cynic — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:34:31 +0000

Bay State Librul @ 68

I’m thinking maybe all this will see the light of day after Bush leaves office, and a Dem
is elected…
This country is frozen in fear and needs
sunlight to melt the lies.
Alas, I can’t wait that long…

I fear that Lord Cheney will not relinquish power to a Democrat in January 2009. I fear the Great Shiny Object will appear and we will all be distracted while Lord Cheney initiates his coup d’etat.

By: skimble

skimble — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:33:14 +0000

In case you don’t know, that photo is of Millennium Park in Chicago which is quite cool and not at all big-brother spooky.

In fact it is one of the most joyous urban spaces I’ve ever encountered. The giant video head is also a fountain that sends jets of water into a wading pool where kids of all races and classes play together — really remarkable and worth a visit if you’re in town. It’s in the southwest corner of the park.

By: selise

selise — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:31:51 +0000

just making some calls to members of the judiciary committee, as christy suggested….

still no statement from whitehouse on why he voted for immunity in the intelligence committee. this really irks me because if his reasoning is faulty, then there opportunity for citizens to provide that feedback to him… and if he has a good reason (i doubt it) but doesn’t share it, then we citizens are left frustrated and misunderstanding.

really - this lact of communication (especially truthful communication) from our elected representatives has got to end.

By: yellowdog jim

yellowdog jim — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:24:28 +0000

Toby Wollin @ 24

Bustednuckles @ 7

Hmm, looking at this I am going to need a snorkel too.

snorkel, nuthin’…I’m thinking more like chainsaw and backhoe, myself.

“bring dynamite,
and a crane …
blow it up,
start all over again.”

Tobacco Road