Comments on: Late Nite FDL: Gavin, NOOOOO!! http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:01:04 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Shell http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1082060 Shell Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:01:58 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1082060 <p>I did this 15 years ago. At first, AOL cost $3.00 an hour. (Before the flat rate.) I loved it! No, I am not rich and didn’t love paying $3.00 an hour, but the right-wingers were VERY scarce. I mean, there were SO few of them, the rest of us (in the chatroom “From the Left”) would have to take turns playing Right-Winger, just to get a “debate” going. When it was my turn, I could only last 30 minutes, if that.</p> <p>It makes your stomach turn and exhausts you.</p> I did this 15 years ago. At first, AOL cost $3.00 an hour. (Before the flat rate.) I loved it! No, I am not rich and didn’t love paying $3.00 an hour, but the right-wingers were VERY scarce. I mean, there were SO few of them, the rest of us (in the chatroom “From the Left”) would have to take turns playing Right-Winger, just to get a “debate” going. When it was my turn, I could only last 30 minutes, if that.

It makes your stomach turn and exhausts you.

]]> By: portia.vz http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081945 portia.vz Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:52:53 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081945 <p>The mysterious -3, Whine of befuddlement and “hit” number are Dungeons and Dragons terms.<br /> Don’t ask me how I know this. Never played the game myself. *MY* group always played “Empire of the Petal Throne”.</p> The mysterious -3, Whine of befuddlement and “hit” number are Dungeons and Dragons terms.
Don’t ask me how I know this. Never played the game myself. *MY* group always played “Empire of the Petal Throne”.

]]> By: wigwam http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081765 wigwam Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:26:36 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081765 <p><a href="#comment-1081674"><em>peanutbutter @ 255</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1081664"><em>burnspbesq @ 243</em></a></p> <blockquote> <p>At the highest level of abstraction, the controversy is about whether detailed, bright-line rules or broader principles and enforcement discretion are the better tool for dealing with tax-avoidance strategies that change shape faster than Odo. I’m a principles guy. A lot of people I respect are rules people.</p></blockquote> <p>To put another way, remember in the earlier threads discussing torture? Someone pointed out if you make waterboarding specifically illegal (yes, I know it already is illegal), then some dimwit will come along and say “oh HEY, you didn’t say poking eyeballs out with knitting needles was bad, so we figured it was okay.” And yes, I tend to agree, a set of principles and a body of case decisions seems the best way to handle these things rather than try to codify everything.</p></blockquote> <p>And the legal precedent is there: a sheriff in Texas was sentenced to ten years in 1983 for waterboarding a prisoner: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01170.html</a></p> peanutbutter @ 255

burnspbesq @ 243

At the highest level of abstraction, the controversy is about whether detailed, bright-line rules or broader principles and enforcement discretion are the better tool for dealing with tax-avoidance strategies that change shape faster than Odo. I’m a principles guy. A lot of people I respect are rules people.

To put another way, remember in the earlier threads discussing torture? Someone pointed out if you make waterboarding specifically illegal (yes, I know it already is illegal), then some dimwit will come along and say “oh HEY, you didn’t say poking eyeballs out with knitting needles was bad, so we figured it was okay.” And yes, I tend to agree, a set of principles and a body of case decisions seems the best way to handle these things rather than try to codify everything.

And the legal precedent is there: a sheriff in Texas was sentenced to ten years in 1983 for waterboarding a prisoner: http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01170.html

]]> By: CTuttle http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081738 CTuttle Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:15:51 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081738 <p><a href="#comment-1081714"><em>burnspbesq @ 289</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>When I was in HS my parents had a Chrysler Town & Country. If you put the back seat down, the cargo area was approximately the same size as a queen size bed.</p></blockquote> <p>Heh, to quote ya; “And you know this how?” ;-)</p> burnspbesq @ 289

When I was in HS my parents had a Chrysler Town & Country. If you put the back seat down, the cargo area was approximately the same size as a queen size bed.

Heh, to quote ya; “And you know this how?” ;-)

]]> By: wigwam http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081727 wigwam Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:12:17 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081727 <p>Teaching is part of it, but much of his advancement and promotion would be based on scholarly publications and outside letters from peers. By now, I’m sure that the Federalist Society has a network of journals to publish and fellow wingnuts to recommend people like Yoo. The Belkeley law faculty should be hip to that nonsense, but faculty personnel decisions are a somewhat capricious business.</p> Teaching is part of it, but much of his advancement and promotion would be based on scholarly publications and outside letters from peers. By now, I’m sure that the Federalist Society has a network of journals to publish and fellow wingnuts to recommend people like Yoo. The Belkeley law faculty should be hip to that nonsense, but faculty personnel decisions are a somewhat capricious business.

]]> By: neokneme http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081722 neokneme Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:05:53 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081722 <p><a href="#comment-1081681"><em>katymine @ 262</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Hi everyone…. back in Portland OR…. after a wonderful dinner with Elmore….. nice neighborhood bistro. Heard about the Impeachment vote while driving…..<br /> How is everyone?</p></blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY-AS13fl30">Electrified</a>…</p> katymine @ 262

Hi everyone…. back in Portland OR…. after a wonderful dinner with Elmore….. nice neighborhood bistro. Heard about the Impeachment vote while driving…..
How is everyone?

Electrified…

]]> By: burnspbesq http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081714 burnspbesq Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:02:19 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081714 <p>When I was in HS my parents had a Chrysler Town & Country. If you put the back seat down, the cargo area was approximately the same size as a queen size bed.</p> When I was in HS my parents had a Chrysler Town & Country. If you put the back seat down, the cargo area was approximately the same size as a queen size bed.

]]> By: aliasofwestgate http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081709 aliasofwestgate Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:01:46 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081709 <p><a href="#comment-1081664"><em>burnspbesq @ 245</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1081624"><em>Suzanne @ 206</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>can ya translate that into layperson please, burns.</p></blockquote> <p>At the highest level of abstraction, the controversy is about whether detailed, bright-line rules or broader principles and enforcement discretion are the better tool for dealing with tax-avoidance strategies that change shape faster than Odo. I’m a principles guy. A lot of people I respect are rules people.</p></blockquote> <p>*giggles at the DS9 reference*</p> burnspbesq @ 245

Suzanne @ 206

can ya translate that into layperson please, burns.

At the highest level of abstraction, the controversy is about whether detailed, bright-line rules or broader principles and enforcement discretion are the better tool for dealing with tax-avoidance strategies that change shape faster than Odo. I’m a principles guy. A lot of people I respect are rules people.

*giggles at the DS9 reference*

]]> By: neurophius http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081710 neurophius Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:01:43 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081710 <p>More TRex!!! (upstairs)</p> More TRex!!! (upstairs)

]]> By: Steve-AR http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081706 Steve-AR Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:01:09 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/06/late-nite-fdl-gavin-nooooo/#comment-1081706 <p><a href="#comment-1081701"><em>Kevin Hayden @ 280</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1081696"><em>Steve-AR @ 277</em></a></p> <blockquote> <p>My Bug was stock: the good new was that a “fill-up” was $3.00. The bad news was that the windows fogged up with heavy breathing and the cops could sneak up on you.</p></blockquote> <p>You have to be pretty flexible to get jiggy in a Bug. Don’t the cops give bonus points for contortionism?</p></blockquote> <p>The only time I was really caught was by the Fed Park Police in Ft Marcy Park (where Vince Foster killed himself). No bonus point from the Feds.</p> Kevin Hayden @ 280

Steve-AR @ 277

My Bug was stock: the good new was that a “fill-up” was $3.00. The bad news was that the windows fogged up with heavy breathing and the cops could sneak up on you.

You have to be pretty flexible to get jiggy in a Bug. Don’t the cops give bonus points for contortionism?

The only time I was really caught was by the Fed Park Police in Ft Marcy Park (where Vince Foster killed himself). No bonus point from the Feds.

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