There’s a new article out in Vanity Fair by Mrs. Tim Russert that talks about how those fabulous Washington DC parties have been spoiled by partisanship. Oh heavens me.
What happens to the country club when nobody cares about the decorum of your fucking parties?
I went up to Pelosi after her odd speech to ask her in person about her support for Al Wynn. I said ‘I helped organize a fundraiser for Donna Edwards’, and I was about to talk about retroactive immunity and ask her to take this as a sign of frustration, as well as to tell her how proud she makes me as the first female Speaker of the House. But the moment I mentioned Al Wynn, Pelosi’s whole face abruptly changed, her smile melted away, and she got hostile and said in an icy voice ‘I know about that.’ She then turned away to talk to someone else. That’s happened to me only one other time in politics, when I said to Jerry McNerney that I was a blogger.
I also managed to chat with Kirsten Gillibrand. Gillibrand’s a very smart and very lovely person, and she’s aware that activists in her district are frustrated. And she’s frustrated too in her own way, and explained that change is much slower than she’d like. And yet, I get the sense that there’s very little that she can do about it, and that even if there were something she could do it’s not clear that she would.
And I think I realized then that there seem to be two types of frustration, insider frustration and activist frustration. Many of the Democrats in Congress, Pelosi for instance, are insider frustrated. They know something is vaguely wrong somewhere, they know their activists supporters are unhappy, they are still raising lots of money, they know they are in power and feted at fancy breakfasts, and they are unwilling to consider new strategies that actually challenge the constraints they see as permanent.
And when someone else does, they get mean, their face turns cold, and they walk away.
I’m living in DC now and I know I’d personally rather have my wisdom teeth re-extracted than suffer through some grim affair at the behest of a bitchy old harridan like Sally Quinn who is habitually and institutionally wrong about everything all the time. And I know Matt Stoller would probably rather toss a pipe bomb into the joint than fete on fois gras with the oh so socially conscious Mrs. Russert.
I don’t have much hope for affecting politics on the presidential level this cycle (which is why we largely stay out of the fray, except to encourage candidates when they take a position we support, even if they’re dark horses). The real potential for change in Washington DC stands not with a horrible system of good intentions and failed hors d’ouvres that reinforces the status quo at the uppermost levels, but with people like Donna Edwards who are willing to speak up and call out careerist hacks like Al Wynn that the Speaker of the House feels compelled to support.
We’re $16,500 away from meeting the $100,000 goal we set for fundraising for Donna Edwards to counter the influence Nancy Pelosi and establishment Democrats give to Al Wynn with their incumbency protection racket. So if for no other reason than to say thanks to Matt Stoller for making that entrenched, do-nothing system just a little bit more uncomfortable to acquiesce to, please consider giving to Donna today.
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Jane!
BADA BING! x3
Me, too!
Bob in HI
Question: How many Donna Edwards does it take to equal a Hillary Clinton?
Over to Blue America.
fuk’n hoyer :/
Jane, awesome JANE!!!!
we volunteered for donna’s campaign work……
and JANE, did i read that right? you’re living in DC now:????? PLEASE SAY YES!!
((((((Our JANE )))))))
Kicked in another $50 for Donna.
If Donna Edwards was going to be my president in Jan., 2009, I would sleep tight tonight.
From Maureen Orth (Mrs. Russert):
Maudlin name-dropping nonsense. Yikes! Get me outta there!
(From the Vanity Fair link in Jane’s post.)
Kusinich just had articles of impeachment read out in congress on C-span 1. Motion to table just made.
Edwards is the real Democratic article. Clinton is not.
Sorry to jump right in off topic, but is anyone following the Cheney Impeachment Resolutions being read in the House today (and right now)?
As soon as I have a new job lined up I’ll start making contributions to good patriots like Ms. Edwards.
As for now, I have to live pretty frugally because I don’t know how long my unemployment will last.
But I should have some free time to help the cause. A woman who’s a former member of the U.S. House, and who happens to live one small town over from mine is running for governmer here, perhaps I’ll get involved with her campaign. Although I need convincing as to which side of the people/money divide she’s on in the Democratic Party.
“…and she got hostile and said in an icy voice ‘I know about that.’ She then turned away to talk to someone else.”
Excuse me, Mrs. Pelosi – but that was rude and unnecessary.
It’s also a measure of her as a person and as a “leader” (remember, she’s a “leader” – we’re just “advocates”)that she seems to find it extremely easy to get nasty with “us”, but doesn’t seem to be able to bang her sword on her shield with the Rethugs in the House.
Beating up on the “powerless” and sucking up to the “powerful” is not a measure of a leader, Mrs. Pelosi.
Please support Donna Edwards. We do.
Ms. Pelosi is certainly getting a reputation for bitchiness. First the protestors, then the “we’re leaders, they’re advocates” line, and now this.
I like seeing her annoyed. And yes, i gave money to Donna Edwards too.
In #12 I am referring to Donna Edwards.
So, what exactly is Mrs. Russert’s point? We could have had classy people in the White House, but her husband and his caste preferred Bush. So that’s what we have. And GWB ain’t no JFK.
I’m not going to read VF.
That sniveling drivel at Digby’s place was enough to make me puke. Don’t they have anything else to occupy their beautiful minds with?
I’m sure those aristocrats consider themselves to be the “serious people,” too.
I.R.O.N.Y.
Yes, they were blaming Clinton, too.
Toby Wollin @ 15
DING!
A leader should at least graciously pretend to listen to everyone around them.
A great leader actually does.
Donna Edwards is “morning in America”.
brendancalling @ 17
Too bad she can’t save any of that for Bush Co. She’s a real tough talker when she’s facing her base, but when it comes to standing up to Criminals and Tyrants, she takes it off the table.
They should change the mascot of the Party from a noble animal like the donkey to a spineless worm.
On CSPAN1 right now: Vote to table Kucinich’s motion to impeach Cheney. So far, most Democrats are voting to table!
Bob in HI
Mrs. Tim Russert?
As in Mrs. Pumkin Head?
It’s hors d’oeuvres. BTW the plural is American since the French would be invariable. It didn’t take Pelosi to assume the manners of royalty did it? I’m surprised she didn’t say, “We are not amused” before snubbing Stoller.
Volunteer for Donna — contact:
adrienne@donnaedwardsforcongress.com
see you all there!
I decided to donate to Donna, because of this email:
It’s up to us to reward good behavior . . .
OT: House voting on Steny’s motion to table Kucinich’s HR 333, the Cheney impeachment resolution. Currently 160/26 in favor of tabling. On CSPAN-1.
Bustednuckles @ 25
Yep.
Lovely closed-in society there in DeeCee huh?
Unless and until we can take the money out of politics, both sides of the aisle will continue to pander to those with the deepest pockets. It really is that simple.
My lady and me voted so many times for Pelosi when we lived in No. Cali. The Speaker has embarrassed us.
Sally Quinn too. Of the DC social register. Yikes! (harridan is the apt name for her all right.) Mrs. Ben Bradlee…
OT: Ugly mulling on the House floor.
Yup. It’s all about the schmoozing at the parties. That is D.C. all the way. They become buddies outside of “work”, and then they can’t stand up for their constituents on the issues that matter, because they might offend a cocktail buddy.
Other than the lobbying money, it is really that simple. In my opinion, not offending a cocktail buddy of another party, is even more compelling for a lot of these jokers than the money, because, after all, they have to “get along”.
Pelosi doesn’t need the money, but she’s a social butterfly and is on a constant ego trip.
Kucinsich NOW on cspan 1 speaking
OT: Dennis K live on CSPAN-1.
237-63 vote to table the motion. 112 cowards don’t vote at all. America seems sadly lacking in great leaders.
(are those the correct tallies? it’s fuzzy on my screen)
peanutbutter @ 21
yup
I have much respect for people like Donna that will come and converse with the community.
bobschacht @ 24
What does that mean, Bob?
OT: DK: “It’s time for the American people to know who’s on the side of the Constitution.”
The voting is done but I guess the tally isn’t quite finished, it is still changing. But the result is pretty obvious
My DC friends have told me for years that the prevailing discourse at DC poitical cocktail and drunken dinner parties is: Who’s in and who’s out.
I think Donna Edwards needs to be in Congress. Sounds like her opponent is like HoJoe. As for cocktail parties . . . Bwaaaah. Count on Vanity Fair to pick up n the tritest of trite, slaver over the the “ruling class,” and generally create an illusion that 99% of the country don’t exist. Except for James Wolcott they suck 100%. Add in Hitchens, they suck 110%. Driving by. And viva Jane!
I’m pretty sure that means the resolution to impeach Cheney goes in the trash. Or at least will not be considered at this time.
Table a motion: kill it basically.
Loo Hoo @ 40
Table=Kill
OT: Votes changing after time’s up. The NV’s are quickly trickling into the other columns. 289 yes / 104 nay / 40 nv
LS @ 35
Except the politicians were probably more friendly outside of the office in the old days than they are today. Barry Goldwater and George McGovern were supposed to be fast friends outside of the Senate and fought daily in the Senate.
Tip O’Neill roomed with Silvio Conte for years while representing two different districts and two parties in the House. There is something fundamentally changed though from those days.
Smgumby @ 38
Not only that, but 112 and counting Dems voting to table? What is Steny hiding? He’s a worthless coward.
Over 100 voted not to table it. That is a little encouraging. I expected only the 21 co-sponsors to vote that way.
Hmmm. @ 37
I don’t think that’s live. I think its a replay of his speech that introduced the motion that they’re voting to table right now.
BTW, interesting to see that 48 Republicans so far voted against tabling!
Bob in HI
Hmmm. @ 48
WTF??? 51 Rethuglicans voted not to table the bill? Why? How sad is that, Dennis got as many Rethuglican supporters as Democratic supporters.
I would love to hear Donna Edwards debate Hillary Clinton on her (Clinton’s) Iraq war vote and Kyle-Lieberman vote.
Jane is exactly right..change will be driven from the bottom up; the present Dem leadership is exactly what I deserve from my previous years of political apathy and neglect. 2.5c more for Edwards. (40 yo I lived on Georgia Ave. which is now part of her district, go Donna)
Anyone with any shred of discernment would rather die than break bread with bumptious clods like the Russerts. And Mr. Russert has done as much as anyone to rev up hyper-partisanship with his habitual right-wing-favoring inconsistent and unfair questioning. He’s such a pathetic hack, and then you have to see him feted on TV. He sits there and his face says “I’m a smug, empty-headed right-wing partisan” and his father sits there and his face says “I’m a smug, empty-headed right-wing partisan,” and they talk about Russert’s new book, “Everything I Learned About Being a Smug, Empty-Headed Right-Wing Partisan I Learned In Buffalo.”
(And, no, I’m not dissing Buffalo. I spent three months in Rochester years ago and loved all of the history and charm, and I’m sure that a lot of Buffalo is just the same. I’d love to visit Buffalo some day.)
something is going on when almost as many Rs are voting with Kucinich on this to keep debate going as Ds (currently 66 D and 57 R)
Def some politics going here as the Rs are switching from Yay to Nay up to 64 Rs voting nay on tabling res now.
bobschacht @ 52
It is over 60 now and they’re still voting…it will take the Repubs to take these guys down…there may be a ray of light. I hope Kucinich just keeps on bringing it back in one form or another and forcing these votes…this is progress.
Hey everyone who puts down Vanity Fair is wrong! It’s a great rag, full of contradictions. It’s one of the few mags I read consistantly. Brought to you by the folks responsible for “Spy” if anyone remembers that great offering.
It’s a breath of fresh air just to read the editors remarks each month – he hates him some Bush and Cheney, et al.
Plus, I like to look at jewelry I can’t afford, and even if I could, would never buy.
Rep votes trickling from Yea into Nay
Via Froomkin:
Of course, the question that should have been asked is whether it would then be OK for foreign governments to waterboard US citizens or captured US soldiers.
LS @ 51
Considering the current topic of Donna Edwards; IIRC Al Wynn is one of the 21 co-sponsors. Way to little and way to late to save him.
i don’t think speaker pelosi’s response to matt stoller was a sign of someone who feels compelled to support wynn. it seems, to me, more consistent with someone who does genuinely support wynn and doesn’t like it that matt supports his opponent.
or am i missing something?
bobschacht @ 52
Yes, he was on the phone answering questions. Over now.
Hmmm. @ 60
Wow, you’re right!!
LS @ 58
Yes, this is the point. And we’ll get to see who voted which way, on both sides of the aisle. The vote to table is going to succeed– Kucinich knew that. But he wanted to force a vote so that people would show their hands.
Now we can follow up with those Republicans voting not to table and find out what their thinking is. Whatever happens, this will NOT be the end of the story.
Bob in HI
DiFi, Schumer, Clinton, Rahm, Reid, Ford, the DLC, Lieberman, and others are not do not represent this Democrat. We like Donna Edwards.
bobschacht @ 66
This is a good sign!!!
More votes giong Nay (don’t table)
Dem 149 yea / 58 nay / 16 nv
Rep 119 yea / 72 nay / 9 nv
Tot 267 / 141 / 25
In one critical area HRC remains a “Goldwater Girl”. The Senator is still a chicken hawk.
Jane Hamsher:
“foie gras”.
Also from Froomkin and even somewhat on topic with the impeachment vote:
The way the R votes are switching from Yay to Nay, it looks like Boehner is giving a freebie to his party so they can go home and say “see, I opposed this stuff”
dakine01 @ 73
I agree. It’s theater.
I wonder if Pelosi feels threatened- as in worried that she might lose her Speaker position next time around if there aren’t enough Al Wynn’s to support her.
And, Donna rocks. And, watch the video to see how much of a buffoon Wynn is. In an earlier thread, “buffoon” was used by someone in his district to describe Wynn. Seems just about right.
Muareen and Timmeh better hope Huckabee doesn’t get elected as they would both be sent to fat camp or have their health insurance cancelled…timmey is reaching a new largeness
I’d like to see the list of people voting NOT to table. Especially the Republicans.
Is this a working list of people who genuinely care about this nation? Or is there some other motivation behind it. I’m confident the Dems on the list are the few with a spine. But I can’t help but be curious about the Republicans.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
My big beef with Nancy Pelosi is her belief that somehow, “they” know what is going on; “they” are the “annointed”; “they are the only ones smart enough to move the wheels of government.
Well, Nancy, you are NOT moving the wheels of government and you are behaving like the girl who thought she was going to be voted prom queen and lost to the class nerd.
“You” are NOT the only ones who know what is going on and how things work. “You” are NOT the only ones who are smart enough to move the wheels of government. “You” may have been elected, but “You” are not God’s annointed.
This patronizing “pat you little peoples on the head” attitude is just so counter productive and useless.
It’s that business where you are putting yourself in the same group with “them” that has gotten you into big trouble – haven’t you figured it out, Nancy? You are not the prom queen — they despise you. They despise US. Get with the program.
More Nay Reps than Nay Dems.
Major Dem leadershp fuckup here.
If I’m reading the fuzzy numbers right, with the vote almost complete, MORE Republicans (87) than Democrats (67) voted not to table Kucinich’s impeachment resolution!!!
There’s a backstory here that needs investigating.
Bob in HI
Right now the Repubs are just about 50/50…
Donna Edwards gets it. This woman is a Democrat.
dakine01 @ 57
There needs to be a new distinction made in classifying the congresscritters: Democrat and Republican are merely the terms to apply on how they got in through the doors into the hallowed chambers; after that, there is a difference in those who recognize right from wrong which seems to defy party lines. Essentially, there is about 20% of the congress who currently possess any sense of honor. True conservatives are just as outraged by this administration’s policies as classic liberals, albeit for differing reasons, but the bottom line is that people of conscience find these villains to be in the wrong. It is a shame our election system can’t seem to produce a higher percentage.
Support Donna Edwards!
Dems are 2 to 1 to table, and Repubs are 50/50.
Dem 151 y / 69 n / 13 nv
Rep 98 y / 93 n / 9 nv
Tot 248 n / 163 y / 22 nv
Dem 151 y / 69 n / 13 nv
Rep 88 y / 103 n / 9 nv
Tot 237 n / 174 y / 22 nv
Hearing on CSPAN 3 Post 9/11 stratergy with Armitage and others…
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs…..p;Code=CS3
dakine01 @ 73
Are you sure they haven’t decided to stick it to Hoyer? Thinking that letting the Dems proceed with impeachment will back fire on them?
johnSwifty @ 83
I understand what you are saying but with this vote, it is political cover only the way these votes have flipped back to Nay from Yay after it was decided. No “conscious of the conservative” going down here at all.
Hugh @ 72
And consider that that is half of a bigger population pie, that’s a lot of disapproval. It would bother me, but I’m not Bush.
Yow! The Repugs are going to let the Dems take the fall for killing K’s bill.
bobschacht @ 80
Republicans may want to force the Democrats to debate and then vote against the amendment putting them on record opposing impeachment.
LS @ 84
Something weird is going on. Voting was supposed to be over 15 minutes already. Why is it still going on?
johnSwifty @ 83
I mostly agree, although I would say that true conservatives and true liberals oppose these villains for the SAME reasons. Liberals and Conservatives disagree on a lot of issues, but in abuse of power, I think they are in agreement.
Sadly they seem to be the minority in both parties.
Finally some Dems are crossing over!
Dem 151 y / 69 n / 13 nv
Rep 84 y / 107 n / 9 nv
Tot 235 n / 176 y / 22 nv
Now if about 50 dems switch en masse the measure to table would fail.
Absolute silence from CSPAN commentators.
LS @ 84
The vote switching is incredible! Republicans are now voting solidly against Tabling, 84-107!
Why do Democrats have to be so thick-headed?
Bob in HI
House Dems! Change your votes! Quick!
Kucinich is one smart mofo.
OT..but looking at the Blue America page, it shows 2,212 people contributed $159,823. Is that for all four participating sites?
LS @ 87
“Well first we out one of our agents working on nuclear proliferation and then we . . .”
I think they want a debate.
1,650 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I surely would like ta see Dave Obey take the Speakers hammer and use it ta knock some sense inta the Democratic caucus…the system as configured right now is completely corrupted and disfunctional, a leader like Obey in the House and Dodd in the Senate would go a long way toward bringin’ “democrazy” (a crazy idea from the past whose time has come) back within sight.
KEEP THE FAITH, LET’S NOT WATCH AS ROME BURNS THIS TIME!!
Hugh @ 92
You know, I would love for this to back fire on Steny.
Aeolus has diaried our Donna fundraiser at The Big Orange.
A few more recommendations might help open some more wallets for Donna.
I want Pelosi to disappear from the “leadership”.
I smell a trap.
Wow.
bobschacht @ 97
The Repubs want to embarrass Pelosi and Hoyer…meanwhile, the Pukes will have to defend why they wouldn’t table it. Brilliant of Kucinich to force this vote. He wins.
dakine01 @ 73
They voted for it, before they voted against it?
Too bad we can’t tell who it is that is switching sides before the gavel comes down.
itwasntme @ 91
lol, they changing votes now too!
selise @ 63
A commenter at Matt’s post finds the silver lining and points out that at least he didn’t get tasered and/or bounced.
Another commenter said what I was thinking and that was, lead with the flattery and then hit ‘er with the Al Wynn punch. You know, velvet glove and all that.
Dem 151 y / 69 n / 13 nv
Rep 67 y / 124 n / 9 nv
Tot 216 n / 195 y / 22 nv
Hmmm. @ 107
Something is going on…
Kucinich will win this one!!
11 vote difference.
Go Kucinich.
Only needs about 20 more votes NOT to table
dakine01 @ 89
Sigh! Yes, it is a danse macabre and the participants are jiggling in the line, but the end is inevitable. It disgusts me, but I’m so tired of being disgusted by this congress. What else to do?
Support Donna Edwards!
And as for HRC. Why don’t you just plan on remaining in NY.
RBG @ 105
thanks.. just hit the rec button.
Dem 151 y / 69 n / 13 nv
Rep 60 y / 131 n / 9 nv
Tot 209 n / 202 y / 22 nv
!!!!!!
Jane, it’s SO good to hear you putting yourself in the context of future election cycles. It sounds like you’re seeing some light at the end of what must have been one long, dark fucking tunnel. As an against-all-odds cancer survivor myself, I know a little about these things!
LS @ 115
Oh, I got it backwards…they are killing it…
Oh well. Forget everything I wrote above.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 118
Are we going to move the White House?
Jim Lehrer’s defense of traditional media, reported at Think Progress today, seemed a bit defensive. He was critical of the “bread and circuses” thrown by the likes of Fox to their mob, but equally contemptuous of bloggers. He was proud that his NewsHour kept to more rigorous and civil discourse eschewed by others.
OK. But his comments reminded me of a doyenne of haute couture admitting he had heard about jeans bleu, but he’d never be caught dead in them. My response:
tw3k @ 111
I swear Nancy Pelosi could not organize a Girl Scout Cookie Sale. Useless. Totally useless.
itwasntme @ 116
Three more votes now…
Holy Toledo! The vote is pulling even!!!!
Bob in HI
Steve-AR @ 100
Steve, it’s not possible to track the march to $100,000 for Donna using BA or the other fundraising page (better Dems) bec. ActBlue totals are for all donations from the beginning of the 08 cycle.
The Republicans are a disciplined caucus – they didn’t flinch on SCHIP. They don’t break ranks of the caucus. They are voting Nay with a purpose.
Either they are sticking this tabling on the Dems, or they want a debate (hoping it will backfire on the Dems).
I am completely confused now. %-O
This is a motion to table.. If not tabled, do we go to an up or down on HR 333 itself?
The nays pull ahead!!!
Bob in HI
itwasntme @ 116
Hold, baby, Hold!!! Dennis has it right now.
LS @ 122
Motion to Table is what would kill it if it passes. If the Motion to Table is defeated, the resolution gets debated. And right now it looks like the vote switches may yet carry the day. True Kabuki going on here.
what a horserace!
Toby Wollin @ 125
I was going to say that she couldn’t pass gass at a chili cook-off, but yours works fine for me.
paul krugman (june, 2006) speaking about republicans…
turns out the dems leadership is also showing itself incapable of dealing with our current situation.
Nays ahead for the first time.
This is weird.
Dem 148 y / 72 n / 13 nv
Rep 57 y / 134 n / 9 nv
Tot 205 n / 206 y / 22 nv
OMG. Just came back. Am I understanding this? Is the motion to table about to fail?
Anon @ 56
Peterr @ 110
LOL …. 707
OMG….
My gawd folks. With leadership like Schumer, Reid, Pelosi, DiFi, Clinton, the DLC and the neocons, how can you not feel led?
I think Steny is about to be seriously pwned.
solai @ 139
Hopefully, with pie all over Steny’s face.
Toby Wollin @ 125
All the R’s changing votes but not dems??!?!
More repubs than dems vote ‘no’? Is this some sort of Rovian thing going on?
Wow! Now the Nays have a 25 vote lead!!!
I’ll bet Kucinich didn’t think this would happen even in his wildest dreams!
Bob in HI
Nays pulling ahead.
Dem 148 y / 72 n / 13 nv
Rep 45 y / 146 n / 9 nv
Tot 192 n / 219 y / 22 nv
Oklahoma kiddo @ 142
I’m not watching this, but I have this vision of everyone racing around like a bunch of clowns, “Nancy, Nancy…what do we do?”
Totally inept.
Hey Steny and Nancy!! Smackdown!!
Go Dennis!!!! Score!!!
Democratic leadership? How much more of this ‘leadership’ can I stand?
earlofhuntingdon @ 124
Stop you’re killing me. Who knew that Lehrer could do stand up?
LS @ 130
Me too!
(((LS & Dosido))
1,650 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Hey, maybe Kucinich is leadin’ the first open revolt against Pelosi’s rule…this is gunna be GREAT!! It doesn’t matter who wins in the end, Pelosi is toast and Stenny ain’t far behind.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…FIGHT THE BASTARDS DAMMIT!!
RBG @ 105
done.
DAVID OBEY FOR SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!
Well it won’t be tabled… Hmmm… maybe the Repugs plan to score political points during the vote to impeach…
Why are the repubs switching? Something underhanded is going on. But I have no idea what.
Are Dems switching to yays?
LS @ 150
Steny is getting punked!!!!!!
I feel much better now. So far Hillary has said nothing today.
anne @ 159
Yes! wtf
solai @ 146
The Republicans are saying in effect to the Democrats “Go ahead, We don’t think you have the guts. Now stop trembling and hand me the gun before that thing goes off and someone gets hurt.”
Go little Dennis!
CTuttle @ 157
Ding, methinks.
solai @ 158
I don’t know. Do they seriously think they can somehow score points by the impeachment trial of Darth Vader? Someone needs to investigate. I like the sound of Steny getting punked though.
bobschacht @ 147
He really read the articles well!
Eureka Springs @ 162
Actually, some have switched to nay!
NorskeFlamethrower @ 156
Have you forgotten how contemptuous he was of “liberals” earlier this year, dismissing them because they were calling him out on some funding games he was playing?
CTuttle @ 157
As I said above, this may be a move to force a debate and get Democrats to go on the record voting against this amendment and impeachment.
if it doesn’t get tabled, Pelosi and Hoyer both will be changing their panty liners.
CTuttle @ 157
Hedging their bets, IMO … either way, they can throw dung in the Dems’ faces !
Can it be that the republics want a new VP at this time for an advantage in the prez election and welcome the impeachment of Darth? We know whatever they’re up to it isn’t for the good of the country.
still waiting for someone to splain whats up with this impeachment…. anyone? dems look indecisive…..
Dem 145 y / 75 n / 13 nv
Rep 28 y / 163 n / 9 nv
Tot 173 n / 238 y / 22 nv
so why are dems voting to table the bill? I don’t get it!
on the motion to table – look s good now
170 Yea
242 Nea
21 no votes
juslin @ 174
Lol!
Understatement of the year goes to…..
CTuttle @ 168
There was a quick short jump each way for less than a minute. (!!! *g*) Sorry mods.
These effing dems need to learn to stand tall. If this gets tabled because of the dems, what a huge embarassment. WTF are they afraid of? Debate impeachment. Then impeach the bastard.
Maybe the GOoPers are planning to use this against one or more of the Dem candidates?
Or they’re figuring they can keep it out of the news, somehow – and Ghu knows what they’d use to do that; that’s the scary part.
Now it looks like some Dems are changing to Nay (after some changed to Yay) – this is confusing. tw3k @ 167
707
anne @ 74
See how many of these votes are R’s looking at elections soon.
Respective of impeachment, it all depends what the Speaker (obviously a member of the Democratic Party) decides.
Wow, who would have ever thought that the Dems would be against impeaching Cheney and the Reps for it …
SufiLizard @ 94
Agreed, those who recognize an essential ‘right’ come from various different perspectives but all folks of character seem to agree that this administration is criminal. It is so sad to realize that our election system does not seem to produce even a bare majority of people with character. If it is true that absolute power corrupts, will our system always be plagued by the Schumer and the Hoyeresque turncoats? Is there no way to get a decent person elected to congress in that, by the time he or she has run the gauntlet of the election process, that poor soul is compromised by the process?
I will get a chance to witness this phenomenon first hand. My state congress person and now state senator, Terry Bonhoff, will be running to replace the republican tool, Jim Ramstad, in my district. I’ve met Terry and stood beside her as Al Franken kicked off a local DFL fund raiser in the spring of 2006. Her intelligence and wit are delightful and her laugh is contagious. She has my complete support. And, if I find something can corrupt this brave soul…well, I’m packing up the clan and moving to Sweden.
Well it seems apparent that some sort of game is being played here, but the bottom line is that this may actually get debated. Which means it may actually get press.
I’m sure the dark forces aren’t allowing this to happen without some sort of nefarious plan, but it seems to me they’re taking a gamble.
Perhaps there is hope that their gamble will cost them dearly.
do-si-do @ 176
dunno legislative priorities? he he
This is where we need to hold the Dems feet to the fire and make the thugs squirm..If this passes, Bush would veto it..another SCHIP…Lets see Schumer and DiFi bs a no vote on this law.
TPM
who knew dem leadership could be this unsure of WTF to do? this is sooo rank!!dems getting played yet again
neil @ 188
OK yeas and nays. The CYAs have it!!
SufiLizard @ 187
But just think of the egg on Steny’s face!!!
hope it does get some play in the press.
Hmmm. @ 175
This is stunning. Absolutely stunning.
I think there’s going to be a lot of scrambling around because of this, as everyone re-positions themselves. This is going to make the news cycle. It can’t not make it.
Bob in HI
I believe that referring to Sally Quinn as a “bitchy old harridan” qualifies as a bad faith argument, not to mention an ad hominem attack.
I mean, I happen to agree with you…but you can’t then turn around tomorrow and proclaim about bad faith arguments.
Eureka Springs @ 162
i can’t see the vote change… but if this is indeed occuring, it is very helpful. it shows which dems were voting against the motion to table because it was a “safe” vote – the motion was going to be tabled and so “progressive” dems could safely vote “no” (as a pander to their constituents).
the Rs, buy voting “no” are forcing these dems who want to see the motion tabled (but didn’t want to let on to the voters) to vote “yes” inorder to get the motion tabled.
if i am interpreting events correctly, this is very clever move by the Rs.
peanutbutter @ 183
This is the House, they’re all up for re-election in ‘08 unless they retire or try to move-up
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Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Don’t wring yer handz and worry about what those crafty Republican fascists have up their sleeve…they obviously think that this issue is gunna split the Democratic leadership in the House and will benefit the bad guys somehow. What it’s gunna do though is force the Democrats in the House ta do the right thing and they ken use the enabling vote of the Repubs ta skewer ‘em on their own petard.
In any case Pelosi is now on the hook and her dayz are numbered…any Democrat who stands on the floor to defend Cheney against impeachment is toast next year!!
KEEP THE FAITH…DAVE OBEY FOR SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!
oh god its hard to watch this drama!!
Elliott @ 193
Wanna bet they focus on how the Dems vote and skew that to belittle DK ?
Ask yourselves. Does the Democratic leadership and their advocacy represent your principles?
CSPAN: “Now one hour into a 15-minute vote.”
it does seem crazy that
more Rs vote NAY to table than Ds
wtf?
Well, it’s good news to know that some D.C. hoi polloi are pissed off enough about bush (among other things) turning Iraq into a fucking charnal house, that they don’t want to make kissy-face with the bastards who support him.
A lesson there for someone…
neil @ 188
I think that is the nub of it, the Repugs probably want to use it as a dog and pony show, what they fail to realize is it could very well bite them in the arse…
bobschacht @ 194
I can’t be quite that optimistic, but I would say the chances of this hitting the evening news tonight is looking much better.
And with Cheney’s approval ratings hovering just above a sewer rat’s, the public might just latch on to this if they actually hear about it.
This could get interesting.
The feeling here is that it’s time to form alternative political parties.
Looks to me like the true size of the progressive caucus in the House is 78.
do-si-do @ 176
The Democrats don’t want to deal with impeachment so they began by voting to table the Kucinich amendment and keep it from being considered. So did several Republicans but then the thinking changed. Force the Democrats to debate and definitively vote against impeachment. Republicans began to switch their votes. As it got close, Democrats felt pressure to vote for something that was going to succeed anyway.
Now what would be really nice to see would be if the House stumbled into actually bringing up impeachment. Pelosi and Hoyer are cowards but one way of turning the tables back on the Republicans would be to open impeachment investigations before proceeding to vote on the Kucinich amendment. More likely they will try to scuttle the amendment in other ways or vote it down and accept the egg on their faces as the price of doing nothing.
Elliott @ 193
Shuster on MSNBC just mentioned it.
ohhhh we sooo need a party with cajones!!
CTuttle @ 205
… not if Cheney gets impeached … they will take this vote to the people and show them that the Repugs voted for restoring America’s principles while the Dems voted against … the irony is sickening …
Eureka Springs @ 119
And, after the smoke clears on the House floor, don’t forget about Donna Edwards.
And, Aeolus has been a GREAT friend to BA candidates and BA-PAC.
DK must have shot up to 6′.
CTuttle @ 205
And another Ding for brother CT! Na Mahalo!!
CTuttle @ 205
It might, but right now, it just bit Hoyer in the ass.
selise @ 196
thanks this makes some sense to me of why this would be happening in this way. jeebus, I really needed this interpreted and quick. thanks selise!
Hillary Clinton is so far to the right of us.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 210
David & Keith are gonna be on fire tonight !
Eureka Springs @ 208
yep,
but we’ll be imcreasing that number as time goes on.
marathon not a sprint
The Repubs probably want to get rid of Cheney too, because he’s an anvil around their necks, and W can then put in a new VP with approval. It ups their chances for reelection.
Pelosi and Hoyer look like the idjits they are.
Hugh @ 209
Thanks Hugh, you rock!
LS @ 115
Stop my pounding heart!
Looking stable at:
Dem 142 y / 78 n / 13 nv
Rep 28 y / 163 n / 8 nv
Tot 170 n / 242 y / 21 nv
Nothing on MSM. Weird.
since i can’t see the vote changes, i’d be very grateful to those of you who can is you would post them in a comment whenever there’s something to report. thank you.
Wow everyone is so dang rowdy! Can you all hear the crazy belly laughing inthe background?
Martinis anyone?
Currently
D’s Y 142 N 78 NV 13
R’s Y 23 N 164 NV 8
Totall Y 165 Y 247 NV 21
still open to change
selise @ 225
Yays..163
Nays..250
Kucinich is winning by a landslide.
Top Dog Exclusive @ 195
it’s not ad hominem if it is true
Hmmm. @ 223
The yes and no tallies at the bottom don’t jibe.
Whatever game is being played here, I think we need to view it as an opportunity.
Whatever strategies are being employed, the game has changed dramatically. True progressives need to be ready to capitalize on the press this is going to get and try to steer this thing in the correct direction.
Petrocelli @ 212
That was the proverbial arse I was referring to…! ;-)
It does seem strange that not a mention on any new stations…
Note, everyone, that the current impeachment resolution being voted on is H. Res. 799, and thus not the same as H.Res.333, which has already been referred to the HJC.
I am still in shock over this vote. I have never witnessed a vote flip like this one did.
Bob in HI
Screw Hoyer, he’s trying to stop it again.
Hoyer wants to move it to Judiciary committee
162 / 251 at gavel
“The motion is not adopted!”
woot!
kucinich speaking
Imagine. A world where nobody cares what the Bush family says. And a world where no one gives a twit what the Clintons think.
Eureka Springs @ 236
We need to call Conyers office then.
Steny / Denny Smackdown!!
Hoyer’s getting smacked down…Bwahahahaha
HRC is the anti-Kucinich.
Steny: Wants to refer it to committee
DK: Then I want a vote recorded on that
Steny: ok, nevermind, withdraw my request…
who’s running this show?!!!
Confusion on the floor!
Kucinich is Presidential material, not Steny…and it shows.
anne @ 244
Doesn’t this exchange just say it all?
Parlimentary quarrel.
Wow!
Just wow!!!!
I hate to get my hopes up only to have them dashed. But it seems we could be seeing an historic turn of events here.
wow, the House is raucous today!
I never thought points of order could be so interesting.
Kucinich asks for recorded vote, and gets it.
Score 2 for Kucinich – 0 for Hoyer. Heh!!!
LS @ 221
hoyer looked like he had doodoo in his shorts.
LS @ 247
Indeed and at the very least Kucinich should be the next Speaker.. preferably tomorrow morning.
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Firepup Freedom Fighters:
No matter what happens now, the Democratic leadership in the House of Representatives is gunna change. If this resolution does get tabled Pelosi is done and a bunch of those who vote ta table are gunna get fried at home in the primaries. If the resolution goez to the floor, the Democrats are gunna be forced to support an impeachment inquiry or get their hats handed to ‘em in the next election…AND Pelosi is done. This is the worst nightmare for Pelosi and Stenny and Rahm and the DLC…they’re fucked and they didn’t even get kissed!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND BE READY TA MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS!!
Now a 5 minute recorded vote on sending it to committee.
No doubt the GOP’s strategy is to embarrass Nancy and Steny, make them look incapable of managing even Lil’ Dennis, much less national security. How ironic: the GOP making hay out of the Dems’ refusal to seriously investigate a GOP administration’s rampant wrongdoing. How much more like the keystone cops could Nancy and Steny look?
The GOP, too, should beware. Look at the donations to Ron Paul and Chris Dodd because they took a stand about something they thought was right.
A precursor to impeachment of Darth Cheney would be a House investigation, which the public would support in spades. That would require another vote, but by then, the snowball would be rolling down hill. That suggests that the GOP is desperately looking for distractions away from issues that could do even more serious harm to them. As Marcy says, beware shiny objects.
do-si-do @ 252
This is what makes FDL such a great educational tool — under other circumstances, we’d never even hear about this happening.
LS @ 248
Go little Romulan dude! Go!
I can’t bring myself to leave work and miss this. Now that I’m a lame duck, I’ve been trying to leave early every day.
But I’m betting the local NPR station I’d listen to in my car isn ‘t covering this drama.
lil dennis is standing tall right about now!!
No matter what the outcome is in the end, Kucinich controlled the House today!!!! Successful leadership and tenacity like a pitbull.
katherine Graham Cracker @ 229
I think ad harridan attacks are fair.
Correction, 15 minute vote on sending the Kucinich impeachment resolution (HR 333) to the House Judiciary committee.
SufiLizard @ 261
can you watch cspan on your ‘puter at work…with headphones? ;)
NorskeFlamethrower @ 257
Or, as we say here at home, “milking the cow through the fence.”
Nobody knows what the f*ck they’re doing… I’m sure Cheney is seeing red right about now… C’mon Dems, now vote Yea!
Kucinich throws a monkey wrench onto the House floor, hilarity ensues..
Again dems voting to bury in committee, reps voting not to.
1,650 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..
Citizen earlofhuntington and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Is there an echo in here??!! I think yer gettin’ it now, Brother earl, and ain’t it grand??!!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND WATCH THE BASTARDS RUN!!
So a yea would send it to committee and a nay would keep it on the floor for debate now?
For now, no matter which way it goes…this is all good.
Kucinich tells it the way it is.
bet money that cheeny is on phone to boner
LS @ 263
yes.
it was very interesting to see that kucinich had his parlimentary moves planned out… and hoyer did not.
Hmmm. @ 266
Which means what, exactly? Dead? Once again, the vote is the opposite of what should be (I think). Totally confused.
Not hitting MSM news sites yet. Surprised CNN.com hasn’t picked it up yet.
brendan @ 265
lol
Hmmm. @ 265
is this the thingie that hoyer asked for, they did the shout vote, and DK asked for a recorded vote?
just trying to track all the Triple Lindy’s going on the floor.
free maryland’s fifth district from hackdom
Steny is sweatn’ bullets!
Eureka Springs @ 272
i think that is correct.
where’s kagro x when we need him to explain all this to us? i know i will be looking for a post from him on today’s events.
I think referring to committee means delays. Not referring to committee means it stays live on the House floor and could be voted at any time, i.e.. possibility of instant Darth-impeachment stays alive.
Wouldn’t it be something if Dennis Kucinich became our next president.
After Steny tried to withrdaw his request to send it to committee and Boehner stood up…can someone tell me what happened and how it came to the vote (which Steny didn’t want), because my computer connection wigged out and I missed it. Did Steny change his mind? Or was he unable to withdraw the request?
Hmmm. @ 266
H.Res. 333 has already been referred to HJC; this vote would be to refer H.Res.799 there, too, where Pelosi can smother it.
Bob in HI
The coup of the day is that the Repubs voted to take a look at the impeachment of Cheenee…..
Yeehaw!!!
Dennis has my vote
drama a plenty!!
Come on DEMS! Keep it open for debate!
solai @ 277
i suspect that hoyer wants to send h.r.333 to committee, where the leadership (conyers) can bury it along side holt’s good fisa bill.
Thanks, Bob.
Am I cheering on the republicans now? I’m so confused…
CSpan 1 commentator just stated that this procedural vote was unexpected. Steney must be furious he has been humiliated by the fearless little sponsor of impeachment from Cleveland and made a complete fool of Nancy’s strategist.
woo hoo!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 285
Why would you want an honest effective experienced fighting progressive president who owes no favors to the big money machine or defense industry?
bobschacht @ 286
thank you… i didn’t not realize the different bill number.
Kucinich reminds me a bit of Truman.
katherine Graham Cracker @ 282
did you see Al Wynn give Steny a kiss in the video?
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To whom it may concern:
Dave Obey smacked the so called “liberals” down when they didn’t have enough knowledge of the budget process ta understand what he was proposin’ on war spending…he used the word “liberal” sarcastically…as in irony, get it? Most “liberals” don’t…Dave Obey is far to the left of most “liberals” in the House…and he has sup[ported Edwards for two years!!
Keep the faith…dave obey for speaker!!
“What happens to the country club when nobody cares about the decorum of your fucking parties?”
Great.
dennis wasnt my choice but nowwwwwwwwwww he’s looking very presidential!! ;o)
Cmonnn Republicans!
(I can’t believe i’m saying that)
john in sacramento @ 290
Same!
Per Congressional Quarterly…Repubs switched votes to embarrass Pelosi and Hoyer by bringing it to debate, because they think the charges are ludicrous…
As if they could mount an intelligent argument…it’s all there in black and white.
Eureka Springs @ 297
I like what you are telling me.
Reporter on CSPAN: If you table a priviledged motion, there’s an automatic 1 hour floor debate. Boeher ordered the do-not-table vote purely in order to avoid that debate.
Isn’t it a good idea to refer the bill the the judiciary committee? Can’t they add weight to the truth of the offenses? Can they order a special prosecuter while they investigate?
“I believe that referring to Sally Quinn as a “bitchy old harridan” qualifies as a bad faith argument, not to mention an ad hominem attack.
I mean, I happen to agree with you…but you can’t then turn around tomorrow and proclaim about bad faith arguments.”
oh but they will. You must be new to fdl, Mr. TDE — the rules of civil discourse here only apply to the REST of the world…..and the occasional hapless commenter.
looks like kucinich will lose this vote – if i’m seeing the vote correctly, only 5 dems are voting with kucinich. can someone please confirm the current vote numbers by party? thanks.
cspan man interviewing dk now.
selise @ 277
Hoyer suffers from invincible arrogance – Pelosi screwed Murtha and its good to see some payback.
Kucinich now live on CSpan!
Okay, I can’t sit here all night, I’ll have to go and check back when I get home.
itwasntme @ 308
More likely it will be buried.
:)
dennis on phone on cspan
Hmmm. @ 308
So the Rs will vote, along with the Ds, to refer it to committee, where it will die.
newspaperbrat @ 311
how did pelosi screw murtha? thx.
Hmmm. @ 308
No, I think they want the debate, because he thinks the Dems look foolish. And to be able to laugh and Pelosi and Hoyer. The first part of the plan worked.
itwasntme @ 308
no.
only if they do something with the bill other than bury it.
no.
must say i’m impressed with his fortitude right now
Kucinich:
Why now?
People are demanding to know what Congress is going to do about this VP leading us into another war. It is important to know who is on the side of the Constitution. It is about the rule of law.
and it’s Election Day to boot, ironic considering Bush/Cheney weren’t elected, isn’t it?
Valley Girl @ 300
I’m 100% sure they both have kissed worse
I wish I were a parlimentarian right about now. What are Dennis’ possible next moves?
Hmmm. @ 308
But I don’t think we want a one hour debate and then a vote. We want the investigation that can call witnesses, etc. The Republicans would like an impeachment vote that is limited to one hour of debate with no witnesses, no subpoenas, etc.
Bob in HI
yeas D 209 R 3
Nay D 5 R 189
on ordering the previous question
um, whatever that is…
All I really want from my party leaders is for them to tell us the truth.
any more coverage on cable news?
Shuster still around?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 327
and that is why i have learned to despise my party leaders.
Looks like the R’s want to keep it alive on the floor and not bury it in committee.
5 minute vote to refer 333 to House Judiciary Committee
add to that this is Hoyer’s resolution
bobschacht @ 326
an investigation would be the floodgate!
Now I’m confused. -This- is now the vote to refer to HJC. What was the immediately prior vote on?
i am so going to be reading the transcripts of this. in the hopes it will make more sense to me then.
wow is this exciting or what!! more dems like kucinich please!!
the reporter also said he thinks DK is doing this “purely for his prez campaign” (which I think is just a repulsive thing to say). a boehner aide told this reporter (epstein) that they had repubs change their votes so they could figure out the landscape better and force a debate to “embarrass dems”. he adds the charges v. cheney are “ludicrous”. bias much?
not as ludicrous as a BJ but that’s been covered already, i’m sure.
JF @ 317
Procedural vote is over. Now a 5 min. vote on referring it to committee. Republicans are voting against referral.
Bob in HI
DK had 22 co-sponsors. Why did the last vote have fewer than 22 ‘nays’?
Hmmm. @ 335
Yeah, I’m confused too. Maybe the prior one was a vote on whether to have this vote?
R’s voting nay again.
Hmmm. @ 341
I hope the Republicans end up digging their own grave here. *g*
Cspan man:
motion to table DK impeachment res. failed
hoyer wanted to refer to HJC (current vote of 192y/179n)
conyers tells Fox (?!) impeachment will affect house productivity (ugh)
C-SPAN with a quote from Conyers – Conyers saying it would be bad for Pelosi to move on impeachment because it would split the party.
Well, now we know what will happen if the bill goes into the HJC – it will be killed.
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Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Nancy’s goose is done…ain’t enuff left of the poor bird ta even make a little gravy. The best thing about this whole episode is that the issue is now on the evening news and the questions of Pelosi and Stenny will not stop…the leadership of the House of Representatives is about ta change…I wonder if the progressives in the Senate ken stage a coup around the Mukcasey nomination.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DUCK, SOME BAD STUFF IS APPROACHIN’ THE FAN!!
Anyone smell a bit of “Oh please don’t throw me into that briar patch” from the Dems? If it stays live on the floor then Darth could be impeached by the end of the day.
Once again, Pelosi screws her own party.
fyi – here’s good resource from the house clerk on what’s been going on this afternoon. the timeline here, combined with a transcript will, i hope, help us sort everything out.
that is if pow wow or kagro x doesn’t explain it all to us first.
uhhh imo the party is split…..
selise @ 318
Following the election last year Rep. Murtha was expected to be the house whip and our new Madame speaker caved under pressure from the Steney camp she abandoned and humiliated the good former General Murtha to the wolves in short time.
Games within games. I think Bobs right, the Thugs would like to kill this after a one hour debate and make the Dems look foolish at the same time. Referral to HJC is dangerous for everyone..Conyers might run with it. Stranger things have happened.
selise @ 348
here’s the missing link.
Crap. 217 to 193 yes. Off to committee to die alone.
From DK’s site:
217 / 193 to refer to committee at the gavel.
The vote to refer is strictly along party lines, Dems for, Reps against. Dems should win. Report that Conyers sez Pelosi won’t let it “out of the box” because they’ve got so much other pending business to do (like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic).
Bob in HI
juslin @ 350
ding!
for one brief shining moment…
Oh well forget my @ 352
Hey Al Wynn’s a cosponsor! bwahahaha!
Still nada on MSM web. Incredible.
Ugly In Pink @ 353
how many dems voting no?
It is still a victory for Kucinich. He’s going to make them go through this on Bush also.
For those in NYC area, the ACLU is inviting us all to a Dicussion of the Administration of Torture. Thought it’d be interesting and depressing in light of Schumer and Difis vote:
Now what? Contact Conyers’ office?
New thread…
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..f/#respond
Hmmm. @ 367
I don’t know but there is a new thread.
Hmmm. @ 367
yes, and speaker pelosi.
My reading of the list of sponsors shows a number of them on HJC. will that help any?
mui @ 366
It’s Tues Nov. 6. At 6:15pm. Not much advance notice.
do-si-do @ 362
He is very very scared that Donna Edwards will trounce him. He’s got that part right.
Hmmm. @ 363
GOP forces debate on Cheney impeachment in the Mercury News
itwasntme @ 309
They can’t appoint a special prosecutor. That law was allowed to sunset several years ago when the Repugs were in charge in Congress.
So it’s either an impeachment inquiry started by the House or nothing.
Brisingamen @ 375
you are confusing, i think, special prosecutors with independant procecutors.
Selise – Four.
Ugly In Pink @ 377
some days i really hate my party.
thanks for the info. i will be looking to see who the four are.
I want Donna Edwards for my representative!!!
That fucking, toilet-crusing prick with his arrogant ‘wide-assed stance’, lying Larry Craig is mine.
Since I see selise – thanks for putting the hearing schedules together. I really do appreciate that. It’s incredibly helpful and informative, and I use it. Thank you.
solai @ 341
Absences?
@ 380
i’m so glad to know you use it and like it! it was scarecrow’s idea that got me started (so thanks goes to scarecrow too).
but my manual list is only a stop gap measure – the real thing (automated and direct from the committees) is in the works from the openhouse project – woo hoo!
bobschacht @ 358
But wouldn’t that mean that Kucinich voted to submit the resolution to the HJC???
What just happened? Have the Republicans been gamed?
cinnamonape @ 383
Depends, I guess, what you think of John Conyers. Personally I hope this referral will be some sort of catalyst that will let his numerous investigations get unstuck. And that all the Dems knew exactly what they were doing today.
Hmmm.
$50 to Donna Edwards. Sorry it wasn’t more.
Hmmm. @ 384
I hope that all of you call Conyers’ committee members and keep calling them, to push this issue to the front.
We The People have to show Pelosi, Conyers, Hoyer, etc. that they must do what we put them in office to do !
OMG, Sally Quinn “a bitchy old harridan.” That just totally made my day
Hmmm. @ 202
CSPAN: “Musharraf is now wearing brown shoes, rather than black ones.”
CSPAN: “Sorry for the informative report. We now return you to silence.”
juslin @ 246
We are, indirectly!
Senate: Feinstein v. Dodd
House: Hoyer v. Kucinich
Today it looks like we lost one and won one. That’s an improvement of our usual performance.
SufiLizard @ 251
It’s a changing of the guard. You could almost imagine those Republicans marching in one direction, stopping, turning about and marching off in the other direction (toward re-election).
But, we don’t know for certain how a debate will come out. Maybe the Rs just did this to get the debate. Who knows.