(Julie London sings, “Cry Me a River”)
This is simply awash with irony:
Five authors have sued the parent company of Regnery Publishing, a Washington imprint of conservative books, charging that the company deprives its writers of royalties by selling their books at a steep discount to book clubs and other organizations owned by the same parent company.
In a suit filed in United States District Court in Washington yesterday, the authors Jerome R. Corsi, Bill Gertz, Lt. Col. Robert (Buzz) Patterson, Joel Mowbray and Richard Miniter state that Eagle Publishing, which owns Regnery, “orchestrates and participates in a fraudulent, deceptively concealed and self-dealing scheme to divert book sales away from retail outlets and to wholly owned subsidiary organizations within the Eagle conglomerate.”
Some of the authors’ books have appeared on the New York Times best-seller list, including “Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry,” by Mr. Corsi and John E. O’Neill (who is not a plaintiff in the suit), Mr. Patterson’s “Dereliction of Duty: The Eyewitness Account of How Bill Clinton Compromised America’s National Security” and Mr. Miniter’s “Shadow War: The Untold Story of How Bush Is Winning the War on Terror.” In the lawsuit the authors say that Eagle sells or gives away copies of their books to book clubs, newsletters and other organizations owned by Eagle “to avoid or substantially reduce royalty payments to authors.”
The authors argue that in reducing royalty payments, the publisher is maximizing its profits and the profits of its parent company at their expense.
“They’ve structured their business essentially as a scam and are defrauding their writers,” Mr. Miniter said in an interview, “causing a tremendous rift inside the conservative community.”
These “authors” seem to believe that if Richard Mellon Scaiffe wasn’t giving away copies to replace the Monkey Ward’s catalog as outhouse toilet paper that people would be paying full price for their brilliant tomes.
I suppose we’ll be seeing the swiftboaters in solidarity with the striking members of the WGA?
Oh I haven’t laughed this hard since the Minutemen accused Alan Keyes of ripping them off.
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zed?
the trogs downstairs hath been notified.
Well, boo f*ckin’ hoo.
zed2
That’d be #5. Hail, muse Jane!
Boo fucking hoo, as Digby sez.
Seems like the publisher is doing everything it can to pad sales and get these hacks on best seller lists.
God, this just cracks me right up.
I guess deception and fraud isn’t so much fun when you’re on the receiving end of it.
They can’t actually sell those things – wingers don’t read and they are wary of those who do.
It’s a circle jerk of fools.
Words fail me in what I feel about the nutters getting the shaft.
AZ Matt @ 11
I find that BWAHAHAHAHA works pretty well for me.
Jane, is there a link? I’d like to read the whole thing. Hilarious indeed. Regnery’s been doing this for decades – wonder why the discord all of a sudden?
Twain @ 9
It’s true. Every time I have stumbled upon an Ann Coulter book in the wild, when you open it the spine cracks in that, “No one has ever read me” way.
I thought the comedy writers were out on strike but after reading this I’m thinking maybe not.
You mean giving away ‘books’ to latent nazi sewing circles doesnt make money?
Cry me a river,
Build me a bridge,
And, get over it.
TRex @ 14
707!
pinson @ 13
Right here.
TRex @ 14
The same way Ann’s ….
oh, never mind.
Yep, probably the laugh of the day, especially considering the canned outrage their confreres no doubt had all ready for the screenwriters.
Here’s some competition, courtesy of Tanta:
RIPHOs: Republican in House Prices Only
Found it all by myself…
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11…..ns.html?hp
In the unlikely event he hasn’t seen this, I hope you email a link to John Dean. IIRC, he asked us in his last chat why Ann Coulter’s books sold so well.
Wow, these guys use the same logic as the RIAA!
TRex @ 14
Agreed. the only they get sales is the phony pump of the bulk sales so that a month later, the ads for the donation pitches read, “And for your generous $5 donation to (fill in the blank here), we will send you absolutely free the latest NY Times Best Seller by (name of Conservative fraud of your choice here).
While I agree with what has been said above, I gotta add: Anything that moves anyone to put this video on their web log is fine with me. The contrast between the purile and the divine was almost too much to take…
So, the New York Times bestseller list counts books sold internally from one subsidiary to another as “sales” for purposes of climbing the list to Number One, but these same “sales” don’t get counted towards writers’ royalties? Boy, those are some dumb book agents those fellows have negotiating their contracts.
And somebody’s face at the New York Times bestseller list better be pretty red, too.
Boo Radley @ 23
They come free with a subscription to the VDARE newsletter.
TRex @ 14
Speaking of the Anntichrist herself, have you seen that new McCarthy-denial book, “Black Listed by History” I think it’s called?
Joe Scarborough had the author on this morning– they’re trying to mainstream this bullshit again.
GordonM @ 24
Except no-one’s trying to pirate any of their stuff.
Boo Radley @ 23
They use them as coffee table books in case the local Klan dragon drops in.
e julius drivingstorm @7 — yes. I guess they were too stupid to realize this particular scam worked to their benefit.
JoeBuddha @ 26
My 9:00 post has a video…
Funny, I see these , Coulters and Pat Buchannons books all the time,
at the Dollar store.
Forgive the OT, but per the Lexington Herald-Leader and Louisville Courier-Journal both, with 44% of precincts reporting Steve Beshear, D is maintaining a 61%-39% lead on incumbent Governor Ernie Fletcher, R-crook.
dakine01 @ 35
I think that’s probably more MWAHAHAHA than BWAHAHAHA. You know, more gloating than irony.
TeddySanFran @ 27
Uh, I’m afraid that inside the biz, how bestseller lists are arrived at is both well known and, er, carefully engineered (follow the money). The fact that Regnery authors are ignorant boobs goes without saying.
From the Times:
Sounds like your basic vanity press to me.
Thanks Teddy. Everyone should go read this whole thing – we’re talking off-the-hook comedy gold that just doesn’t come around often enough:
The weak grasp of economics displayed here – by someone who thinks of himself as a free market champion! – is just… words fail.
Eli @ 36
Wow. Internet laugh semantics. I love it!
KO: Loop-Holer-In-Chief.
Poetic justice. Dishonest fuckups work for assholes. They deserve each other
Eli @ 36
Well, the question has seemed all along to be if Beshear can maintain 60% plus and win by 20 points or more. Fletcher’s loss has been pretty much a foregone conclusion.
You know… that “Monkey Wards as Outhouse Toilet Paper” blurb is about the funniest thing I’ve seen today.
That’s right up there with “Wurlitzer Toe Nail Clippings.”
Build your own regnery book title madlibs:
HOW ____A________ ______B________ AND LOST THE WAR ON TERROR.
For A I put “Janet Reno”
and B I put “Touched me inappropriately while killing Vince Foster”
dannyM @ 44
Hmmm. You know “Prairie Home Companion”? Well, the “Prairie Home” is the outhouse. And the “Companion” is the Monkey Wards catalog.
Bwahahahahahhahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
Snort,,,snort,,,,snort….
Heee, heeee,,,haaaahahahahahaha!
JoeBuddha @ 26
That was my addition. I got a call from Jane, “Put an image on that post and pull the trigger, TRex! I’m away from the computer!”
dakine01 @ 35
Any word coming out of VA on the davis race?
in French, livre means both “book” (le) and “pound” (la).
these knuckleheads shovel their sh*t by the pound, so don’t be alarmed if contents may have settled to the bottom (of the sales charts) during shipping.
TeddySanFran @ 20
oh lordy, that one produced a chardonnay spit take…
LS @ 47
Ergh. My Internet Laugh Translator just shorted out.
*swoon* My sweetie is on KO, talking about impeachment, I think I’m in heaven…
Waccamaw @ 49
Here are some early numbers
Rachel Maddow tells Keith that Democrats in DeeCee have to get away from their backasswards Beltway consultants!
TeddySanFran @ 55
good advice. doubt they’ll take it.
GordonM @ 51
Snort!!!
LoudounLib @ 55
Jane, thanks times a zillion.
I don’t know exactly what it is, since all your posters are great, but you drew me here and it was your posts that fired me up most. I learned your story, and you have no bigger supporter in all the world.
THEN I saw your picture. Swear to God.
Be well, and keep fighting the critical (not “good” anymore) fight, on all the levels you have to do it.
All the best.
Eli @ 36
Thank you for explaining the difference between MWAHAHAHA and BWAHAHAHA. I’ve been losing sleep and racking my brains over that question. Tonight I will rest easy. (Heh.)
Bob in HI
Hmmm. Lemme see.
Right wing author writes a “book.” OK.
Right wing author gets it published by a famously right-wing press. Cool.
Right wing author discovers that he is/they are being screwed. Sure.
Question: What the f–k did they expect?
What does it mean when your key board keeps going…ding ding, ding dong…ding ding, ding dong…all day and won’t work half of the time??? It is driving me cuckoo….ding ding, ding dong…
Oh. My. Dog!
707
Late, I know–as always (day late $ short, that’s my epitaph) Have just now settled in after evening chores, to find this at the top of FDL. Jane, who needs writers–if this stuff keeps up, Jon and Maher and the rest need only do some blog surfing.
Eventually, someone will do the spadework with the various Form 990s and public documents, and track the way that wingnut welfare money flows from bullshit front organisation to bullshit front organisation, how book sales are hyped, how fake fellowships are created to give people titles to stick on their biz-cards.
It’s such a racket.
LS @ 62
I would say it means you need a new keyboard.
Is it USB? Is it just disconnecting and reconnecting?
Time for a new keyboard, LS?
LS @ 62
little help here, punaise…
LL -
Looking good thus far but way too few precincts yet. Wouldn’t want to cross davis the male’s path tomorrow if wifey-poo goes under the bus. Thanks for the feedback!
bobschacht @ 60
Bob, both Abercrombie and Hirono voted nay on the original tabling vote… 8-)
Waccamaw @ 69
You’re welcome! I just refreshed that page, and Petersen is still doing really well against wifey-poo. Still only 9% of the precincts reporting in. Hope it keeps up!
Eli @ 65
I don’t know what USB is, but it works fine like right now, but then all of a sudden, it does the ding dong thingy and won’t work at all. I reboot, and it works again…for awhile. I have rebooted about 10 times today….:( Before it does it again, I have to say, Go Kucinich!!! Never know when it will quit again….Snort!
TeddySanFran @ 55
Rachel for VP… she is terrific…
Sad day for Dems on Torture and not supporting
impeachment…
LS @ 62
pssst – LS: don’t feed the trolleys.
LS @ 71
Yeah, that sounds like faulty USB. It has a skinnily rectangular connector instead of a round one, right?
LS @ 71
Go Kucinich!
GordonM @ 46
I’m not sure where that comment is coming from. Is there an actual Prairie Home Companion book?
I only ask bec. I offended a lot of friends by saying “I hate Prairie Home Companion”.
Oh wait, is that the name of the MN Public TV broadcast? That is what I am thinking of. I will google. brb.
Should the First Amendment protect the enablers of War Crimes and Mass murder? What is the opinion of International Law and US law?
Steve-AR @ 77
Yes. But the First Amendment guarantees neither platform nor audience.
Betcha Tom Davis retires from Congress after “the wife’s” loss tonight, so they can make legal money as lobbyists without all those pesky passarounds they’ve had to resort to up til now.
TeddySanFran @ 79
Heh, the writing is on the wall…
Saying Tom Davis’ wife is like saying Katherine Harris’ husband. Just icky.
Go Virginia!
punaise @ 73
Love it!!!!
LS @ 62
Your keyboard has its own speakers?
Are you sure its your keybord? Is it always three dings and a dong, no matter what you’re typing?
I would suspect that it is not your keyboard, but rather your computer that is trying to get your attention. My computer has different sounds for all kinds of things.
If you’re on a Windows computer, go to your Control Panel and find the icon for “Sounds and audio devices.” Open that, and you’ll find a list of sounds, which you can play by clicking on the arrow to the right of the list. Go down the list until you hear something that matches your three dings and a dong. Then write down what kind of alert it is trying to provide. That information could help someone trying to help you.
Bob in HI
Eli @ 74
Yup.
Peterr @ 38
No. Sounds very much like a standard publishing contract, however. These books are sold deeply discounted (think 70% off), and it is standard in publishing contracts to reduce the royalties on such copies sold. In hardcover, this may mean a reduction from a royalty of 12 and 1/2% to five percent. I am just guessing on those figures, but it’s about what I remember from my stint in publishing.
I just love being able to stop reading when the diagnostic help gets to “If you’re on a Windows computer….”
Good Luck, LS! And thanks to Bob for the help. *g*
CTuttle @ 80
Can’t wait until the campaign signs start coming down. In a neighborhood near where I work, “the wife” has a ginormous sign in someone’s yard — it looks like a billboard, it’s so huge!
CTuttle @ 69
Thanks! Maybe they finally got our memo :-)
Bob in HI
Thanks for the keyboard “input”, I think I know what to do!! Ding ding, ding dong…Ahhhhhhhh
Eli @ 78
When does the lying and incitement that results in criminal behavior by the government cross the line and become “yelling fire in a movie theater”.
I agree with the platform. When/if we retake the government one of the first things to be addressed should be the consolidated media and the its abuse of the national trust.
Anyone who thinks GOP bedwetting is caused by the lightning-strike odds of getting whacked in a terrorist attack is going to need to reconsider those causes given the state of KY going overwhelmingly blue tonight.
Fletcher is going to lose by at least 20. Ouch.
I don’t have the connects, but I sure wish I had a Depends contract on GOP political professionals right now.
TeddySanFran @ 86
That is exactly what Mr. LS is going to say when he gets home (he has a Mac)!!!
Teddy, the only problem with your otherwise hilarious Coulter reference is that it presumes that she is a vertebrate. I think of her more as a frayed bundle of fiber optic cables.
LoudounLib @ 87
Does “the wife” have any sort of qualifications for the office she’s running for? Other than being married to Tom Davis? Kinda sounds like the George and Lurlene Wallace thing years ago.
smapdi @ 81
Jeanne Devolites was an odious wingnut predating her marriage, but choosing Tom Davis at midlife has to be a character defect.
demi @ 17
Yeah.
Altho some things you don’t get over.
John O @ 91
From you lips to the ears of the gods.
This is frigging hilarious! I’ve been seeing promo ads for NewsMax offering some of these crap books for free if you subscribe. I guess these “authors” don’t read wingnut publications.
I love Michael Moore.
CTuttle @ 58
Woohoo!!!!!
That’s 3 exclamation points for CT and 2 of my own.
Woohoo!!!!!
Steve-AR @ 77
Uhm… context, please?
Also I think with regard to the US, the controlling phrase is “…shall not be abridged…,” is it not?
Hmmm.
madmommy, yes — she’s been around local politics for a while — linky
LS – if it starts up, you could first try unplugging the keyboard cable, wait a bit and plug it back in. Might work, and save a lot of time on rebooting (I’m particularly offended by how much Windows thinks of itself when it first comes up).
Steve-AR @ 90
Rwanda. We haven’t reached that point yet. Which is not to say that the pro-war assholes are not vile, despicable people who deserve to burn in hell. Just that I don’t think they’ve done anything criminal.
But mainstream media outlets should absolutely fucking NOT be treating them like serious, reputable people, and they should be on the receiving end of at least as much contempt and ridicule as, say, Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, and Sean Penn.
eg, I see you doing the Snoopy dance over there just east of me ;-)
punaise @ 93
If so, then is she single-mode or multi-mode? Gel-filled?
LS @ 84
This leads me to suspect that the three dings and a dong are your computer’s way of saying either “I found a new device!” or “I just lost connection with a device”. If this is the case, make sure your plugs to the keyboard are fitting tight, and if that doesn’t work, get a new connector cable. But by now, you know that already, right?
Bob in HI
LoudounLib @ 102
Thanks, hadn’t followed this enough to know who she was. We’ve had our own brand of fuckery going on here and it’s so hard to keep up ;0)
egregious @ 100
Egregious, slowly but surely, you’re catching up… ;-)
GordonM @ 103
I’ll try that! It really is frustrating! Thank you!
GordonM @ 37
LoudounLib @ 105
Snoopy Dance
WOOHOO!!!!!
madmommy @ 108
You’ve definitely had waaaay too much f*ckery there, that’s for sure!
bobschacht @ 107
There is a frequent pop-up that says it does not recognize the device, so you are right! I’ll wing it for now and take everyone’s advice! Thanks!
CTuttle @ 109
CTuttle, those who know me well will assure you I am a very slow learner, but eventually I do get it.
Youffraita @ 85
You may be right for an ordinary publishing house, but if the basis of the suit is correct, Regnery doesn’t use that business model.
Regnery gets paid by the wingnut welfare outfits who buy at wholesale. They’re happy, because they (a) get their warehouses emptied, (b) get paid up front, rather than waiting for everything to dribble in over months and years, and (c) don’t have to worry about paying out nearly so much to the writers: “Hey, they’re in it for the glory, right, so they can say ‘Lookit me — I’m a NYT bestselling author!’”
Again, it sounds like your basic vanity press. The only folks who didn’t seem to realize that were the wingnut authors.
LS- I had some what similar problem with a USB mouse. Changed the mouse, and okay then. Maybe USB connection from keyboard? Time for a new keyboard?
LoudounLib @ 87
San Francisco outlawed signs on utility poles this year, and that seems to have depressed turnout. It’s hard to imagine there was a mayoral election today. (Well, there really wasn’t, since Gavin is coasting to re-election over 11 opponents who’ve been ridiculed in the local and national press.)
One effect of depressed turnout, though, is that it will be easier to get candidates and municipal initiatives on the ballot in the next four years, as the necessary number of signatures is based on the number of voters in the recent mayoral election.
Which means that Cindy Sheehan’s job will get easier, perhaps, in her bid to get on the general election ballot. And also that a recall-Gavin petition will be easier to get on the ballot if he screws up again (a likelihood).
heh
egregious @ 115
Yes’m, that you do…! 8-)
LS, most computers will go DING DING DING DING… when a key is held down continuously. Is there anything mechanical going on to cause a key to be stuck in a down/pressed position? If not, maybe the keyboard or its electronics have failed in such a way as to make it -think- a key is stuck down. Does the DINGing stop when you unplug the keyboard?
Hmmm.
TeddySanFran @ 27
I recently poked at this on Regnery and Eagle sites and on the google. NYT does not disclose how their BS lists are calculated, but it’s important to look at a books tenure on the list as lots of folks try to play it. Hard to keep it up, but if it hits one time it gets a huge boost. Particularly with ads and NYT best seller stickers. Seems there are actually networks of people who purchase from separate (particularly indy) book stores in order to make legit looking sales, and lots are returned.
Amazon revises their top list every hour, so synchronized sales can get a hit you can advertise.
Eagle’s conservative book club certainly has the capability to schedule sales. Lots of join get 5 books for $5 kinda deals. Didn’t go into the secure site, so don’t know what the full obligation w/membership is.
Theoretically, bulk sales aren’t counted for BS calculations … Neither site was illuminating on bulk sales to organizations, which has to be huge and probably very carefully managed. Possible they use book stores as conduits.
Also, their listed book prices look below market – in the $18 hardback range.
Oh to be a fly on the wall when this goes to depositions..
At the Regnery site they had a list of all their NYT BS books and their tenure on the list. Might not be there any longer ;-)
I’ve not seen any Regnerys in the ususal remainder sites, but haven’t made a career out of this, just got curious.
Sorry for the length of this – probably more than anyone wants to know.
Valley Girl @ 117
And, yeah, unplugging and replugging the mouse did help for each event, but it got frustrating after a while.
That’s a neat snippet.
Kewalo @ 111
I don’t know the details anymore, and they vary by list. Most of the time, it’s driven by the distributors. There are (going up the parent companies) not that many publishers left (at least for 95% of the books sold), and only about 3 distributors. Mess with any of the biggies, and they’ll cut you off at the knees. These mass buys probably go through one of the big distributors, so the NYT is forced to take their numbers (or risk getting no numbers at all).
It’s for this reason that a significant number of independent publisher book sales go effectively unreported.
Hey – it’s better than the music business!
Email from my favorite NC candidate Larry Kissell, NC-08:
86% of precincts reporting:
Beshear – 59%
Fletcher – 41%
Herald-Leader and Courier Journal both have declared Beshear winner.
Since it took Republicans from 1967 (Louie B Nunn) until 2003 (Ernie Fletcher) to elect a second governor in my lifetime, I wonder if I’ll ever see another Republican governor of my home state.
Thank you, SN.
Valley Girl @ 117
That is my guess…just now, it went..ding, ding dong when I picked up the keyboard and it is working…then later it will go ding, ding, dong…and nothing…
New keyboard is in order. Until then, Snort!!!! Yeehaw!!! :0
Meanwhile. the Rs are reminding the fundies who owns them
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2…..be,00.html
Interesting, Sunny.
Mr. LS says, get a Mac!!!
Eli’s upstairs
LS @ 131
Know Landru. Be of The Body.
Okay, I’m sitting here on the Big Isle and I’m looking at snow, how many of you on the mainland can say that? Here’s an old shot of snow on top of Mauna Kea, tomorrow, I’ll post a current photo…
http://starbulletin.com/2006/0…..ory02.html
CTuttle @ 134
So CT, are you in Waikoloa? Kamuela?
CTuttle @ 134
Well, I can SAY that, but it might not be true. Always looking for the logical possibilities. Thanks for the foto.
dakine01 @ 126
Ok then y’all can have the Snoopy dance down there in my daddy’s birthplace. Well done.
Hmmm. @ 135
Hilo town!
CTuttle @ 134
‘observatory’s telescope’ in the background? I think not.
Clearly the mother ship crash-landed and is half-buried in the ’snow.’
I like Hilo town lots. Some fine home values around Hilo. Wanna stay outta the tsunami inundation zone and the Mauna Kea laval flow zones, though! Warm pouring rain on corrugated iron roof, mmmmm…..
Hmmm…I’m thinking if this lawsuit was in defense of liberal authors you might have a different take.
Have any of you actually read the books we’ve written? You apparently have some very real opinions of them.
Read first, accuse later. Just a thought for you all-knowing omnipotemnt.
Buzz
Great post, Jane. If these fools were any more self-deluded they’d be running around in Napoleon outfits, but with a hand in the pants instead of the coat. And the lawyers handling their suit? Yeah, I’d hire them…to defend Cheney at his war crimes trial at the Hague.
Buzz Patterson @ 141
Buzz, ‘omnipotent’, is the way I was taught to spell it…
Buzz Patterson @ 141
***
Buzz: One big difference…I don’t know of a “liberal” publisher that subsidizes its writers’ books like Regnery apparently (obviously?) does. Do you?
Buzz Patterson @ 141
Dude, the “accusations” aren’t about the content of your books. We are instead amused it’s taken you authors this long to realize your publishers are rip-off artists.
Some of us liberals had Viguerie’s number a long time ago.
Buzz Patterson @ 141
Actually, Colonel, the word is “omnipotent.”
Buzz – You guys are at war on every front, huh? Do you wear your helmet when you type? Tell the truth – can you type with the sun shield down?
Hammer sees nails everywhere…
Good luck with the Regnery bombing mission.
I think that Buzz should feel free to voice his opinion here. While he might not share the progressives’ point of view in every way, he may just share the frustration with the fraudulent tactics employed by crony capitalists.
LOL. Jeez, we’re all editors now, my mistake. But good call.
My point is that ALL publishers go to great lengths to minimize the return to writers and maximize their profits. Its not just the right. You guys, and girls, would not be so giddy to champion, even discuss, a leftie writer who sought similar compensation.
Contrary to all the dogma you no doubt breathlessly believe, publishers left and right are out for themselves. We who write for the right aren’t Nazi goons…we have lives, and families, and, surprisingly, actually believe in what we say. No Scaife money here (although I would gladly welcome some, or more ideally, some Soros money!). Just a dude who believes sincerely in what I say and wants my work to be adequately compensated.
Just asking for what you would ask in the same predicament. “Can’t we all just get along?”
Hey Buzz. Cool of you to at least stop by. I have no idea who you are, so I won’t even expend the slightest bit of emotion (love / hate / indifference).
I know I’m going all omnipotemnt here, but here’s a Flash, Buzz. We did the criticism/self-criticism thing back in the 70s. Try it some time. It might help you.
Or Maybe Not.
And P.S. Maybe you can find a picket line with writers, and join it. Those residuals add up. For you too.
Hey Danny
Served 20 years as an Air Force pilot, served two as President Clinton’s senior military aide, retired in 2001 and wrote some books. Seen both sides of the argument and now side with the right. Not personal. Just a military guy trying to educate the nation as to the importance of fighting in Iraq and Afghansitan. Going back to Iraq to see our guys and girls in December.
Buzz
Hey… I’m all for solidarity between all of us wage-earners. That applies to everyone, whether you are a television writer, a wing-nut welfare author, a nurse, janitor, etc.
Hope you win your lawsuit and collect what you are owed.
LtCol Patterson,
Most of the folks here do not read what you write. You have spent a large part of your career outside the military denigrating everything we believe in, so it is rather understandable that we do not agree with your perspective.
But I would like to ask you a question. You wrote a book about how liberal politicians want to dismantle the military. Will you be doing a companion piece on how President Bush and the 101st Keyboard Warrior Neocons have destroyed the US Army and Marines through the misguided invasion and occupation of Iraq?
No, I didn’t think you were. Which shows you to be just another partisan hack deserving of what you get from your masters. Too bad you seem to have forgotten the meaning of that oath you swore upon your commissioning and at each promotion you received.
The nature of bopok publishing has changed. Bestsellers aside, few non-fiction authors make any money to speak of from book royalties. Instead, the benefits they receive tend to be more in the form of validation and fame as a published expert in their field. Many authors accept this, just as they accept that the modern publisher will not generally provide any book editing nor copy editing services as publishers of olde typically did. So compensation for the work that went into developing and writing and editing a book is rarely in the form of money any more.
Of course, if the publisher is a crook, then the authors have every right to sue.
Buzz Patterson @ 149
Why would we not champion a left-leaning writer who sought such compensation? It’s not the leaning of the writers we find amusing in your predicament — it’s the length of time you appear to have gone without realizing your publisher’s up to no good.
When did you guys decide that NYT bestsellerhood wouldn’t put food on your families, anyway?
dakine01
you ask me a question and then answer yourself? WTF? is that dialogue or you serving your own agenda? I’m a “partisan hack?” what does that make you? give me a chance, unless you already don’t want the answer.
Buzz Patterson @ 153
Thanks for your service, Buzz! Howzabout seeing at ground level… I served twenty in the Army as a Non-Com, and, I certainly don’t like what I see…
Hmmm
I beg to differ. Ask Franken, Moore, Stewart, hell, anyone on the Left. Their experience is much different.
I’ve chatted with them. I understand the difference.
Buzz Patterson @ 160
If you’re replying to my comment @ 156, then I think those examples would all be in the bestseller category, no? I did not say, and do not think, that there is no royalty money in that neighborhood. Sorry if I’ve misunderstood your comment.
My point is that ALL publishers go to great lengths to minimize the return to writers and maximize their profits.
Here is a counter example to that generalization — Vaster Media, Inc., publisher of:
Anatomy of Deceit: How the Bush Administration Used the Media to Sell the War and Smear a Critic
How do you feel about the Bush Administration’s treatment of one of the finest Americans ever to serve her country — Valerie Plame?
Do you feel good about seeing your assets burned for political gain?
Buzz Patterson @ 158
OK, what is your answer? Will you be doing a companion piece describing the results of President Bush’s actions as compared to your thoughts of what Liberals wanted to have happen. You know reality versus projection. The invasion and occupation and the affect on US service people is reality. Your perception of the Liberal view is what you wanted to believe.
edit: And yes I fully admit to being a partisan liberal, even as I was when I served in the USAF as an enlisted man from 12/76 – 9/82.
Hi Buzz! Politics aside, it seems to me that you and the other writers will have to prove that full-price sales would have been equal to discounted sales, that is, that people would have chosen to go and buy the book on its merits, rather than because it was the book club and cheap or given away with another publication and therefore even cheaper. I wonder how you plan to do that? (without giving away your legal strategy)
Buzz Patterson @ 158
Then answer her question. We are all waiting.
Buzz, have to assume that you are with the writers in the strike, right?
C tuttle
And thank you for your service! I would never undermine that.
My approach is this: I go to Iraq, I talk to soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines about their experiences. I compare those to my 20 years in combat. I attempt to educate America as to the nature of our military, why war is (unfortunately) sometimes inevitable, why it matters to us as Americans, and then bring it all home politically.
I honor your service and your opposing views. Please honor mine. I am not a paid political hack. I speak from the heart (and am not well compensated which is why I am a party to the suit with Regnery), and I’m a decent guy.
What I do oppose is people who a) don’t know me, b) haven’t read a single word of my 3 books, and c) purport to opine on who I am and why I do what I do.
That’s why I’m here. I’ve served presidents, fought in combat, written bestselling books, and speak on college campuses. Don’t throw around hollow accusations. If you have a bone to pick, and be specific, pick it. No ad hominum attacks please. You are not doing your cause, or our nation, justice.
It’s been great being here,
Buzz
Buzz Patterson @ 160
And you have years of being on SNL? Big movies? A popular TV show? Might not name recognition and prior success have something to do with the book deals?
Just asking, ’cause when I wrote my technical book, they kindly explained that since I didn’t have a public name and reputation, I was lucky to get an advance at all, and they’d be lucky if the royalties withheld covered the advance. And I only got pennies off the club sales, or the translations.
Buzz Patterson @ 167
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Whereas your pronouncements come from knowing all of us personally, and you are familiar with our own published writings…correct?
I’m still waiting for an answer to Dakine’s question, BTW.
It’s been great being here.
Hmmm says there are FEW non-fiction writers who sell many books. I believe this is true.
Moore, Stewart, Franken, et al, have made a name for themselves prior to writing books, through television and film, speaking of them.
There are some journalists who have also been published in various print media or have had television experience (Palast) prior to having written books that have then been published. This group also has an audience in advance of a book, and they have a variety of promotional outlets and networks, due to their history of published writing.
But this is also not the trend for the bulk of “left wing” authors, who toil for sales and are happy to sell a few books now and then.
It’s just that on the left we do not have the benefactors (malevolent though they may be) like those on the right who have had all manner of writing (truthful or not) pushed by certain publishing houses who do not have the goal of selling books so much as peddling lies for mass consumption.
Buzz (hey, I never met anybody called Buzz before!),
Ad hominem attacks are not allowed at FDL. If you feel you’ve been attacked, please contact the moderators.
The foul Jerome R. Corsi–nice to see that corrupt, lying slimeball keeps slinking about looking for more ways to line his pockets.
Buzz Patterson @ 167
I only call into question your defense of the Iraqi fiasco, Afghanistan was and is the target, Iraq, was a tragic and unnecessary drain on our blood and national treasure, Saddam was the ‘Mayor’ of Baghdad, the Northern and Southern ‘No-Fly’ zones castrated him! The only vial of WMD, implied or found, was Powell’s vial, that he displayed on the floor of the UN General Assembly…
With titles like these:
Reckless Disregard: How Liberal Democrats Undercut Our Military, Endanger Our Soldiers, and Jeopardize Our Security
or
War Crimes: The Left’s Campaign to Eliminate the Military and Lose the War on Terror
I just can’t imagine how they never ended up in my shopping cart at my local book store.
But that’s OK, cuz you asked “can’t we all just get along?”.
Buzz, why are our Citizens fighting and dying in Iraq?
The only other Buzz I ever heard of was that comic guy in the movies, Mr Lightyear. Oh, and Buzz Aldrin I suppose.
God did I need this post tonight, couldn’t happen to nicer guys
Thanks
Buzz, is it really neccessary to fight others for Ideological reasons, when the cost is out of all proportion – lives lost, money spent, our personal freedoms straightjacketed – to any possible benefit to be gained by such great loss? Aren’t we in the Mega-Phyrric Victory zone here?
We’re spending Hundreds of Billions treating Iraq like an ant farm that won’t act right, no matter how Patriotically you might see it.
What’s the point?
You’re a good man for coming to visit the Lake, and I hope you’ll come back. You’re a decent guy, and this is a decent site.
However, we’ll likely barely maybe give your reputation respect, but you’re going to have to make your points with well-reasoned, principled arguments, not rah-rah. If you bring that, you’ll just get your feelings hurt by well-intended people trying to help you by citing the facts.
There’s no victory in Iraq. It’s a mistake no one wants to own.
A real leader, imvho, would make the mistake right, not cheerlead for the Troops paying for the mistake.
Can you see that?
bwahahaha!
pinson @ 39
Hmmm, I find that MANY MANY companies act like a Marxist cartoon of a capitalist company. Why should Regnery be any different?
pinson @ 39
Yeah! Don’t they realize that Regnery has an excellent defense!
After all, without padding those sales figures with marked down books sold to discounters they would never be the famous tools they are today. That allowed Regnery to fool the NYTIMES and get much higer sales by obtaining a higher ranking on the Best-Seller list.
I am late in reading this, but I am glad I didn’t skip it. It made me LOLOLOL.
Thanks, Jane. I knew they were stupid, but THIS stupid? Even I am astonished. Too funny.
RBG @ 175
Didn’t he just complain about Ad Hominem attacks.
One of the plaintiffs commented that Regnery was acting like a marxist cartoon of a corporation. Huh? All corporations exist to produce profit; all look almost exclusively to the bottom line. Labor is one of their costs, so they do all they can to reduce labor costs, often regardless of whether the short term gain is woth the long term cost.
This is the fundamental reason for labor to organize. Capital organizes, so why shouldn’t labor. Maybe these guys need to join the union? Send them a link to Mother Jones. Never mind. They would not get it.
As the scorpion said to the fox, you knew what I was when you climbed on.
The Conservative Book Club site is almost self-parody. But where do they get off selling Freddy the Pig books? Freddy was no hippie, but it pains me to see a decent, sensible pig wedged next to Ann C.
Um, isn’t that what most of those authors are advocating for the rest of us? These people don’t even believe in their own ideology, at least not when it comes back and bites them in thir own ass.
Once again, we are going to need to purchase new irony-meters, this time probably military-grade.
What goes around, comes around.
Let these guys get screwed for a change.