Howie Klein finds an interesting article in the Seattle Times on why it always seems to be the extreme right wingers who have such a predilection for risky sexual behavior:
What’s going on when politicians risk everything for a quickie? Do they have some innate need to take risks — a sort of Evel Knievel-like urge to juggle chainsaws at the top of a ladder? Or are they just clueless, like the guy who lights up while pouring gas into his lawn mower?
Is the power of a closeted sex drive so strong that it just can’t be resisted for long? And why would someone repressing sexual urges become a Republican politician instead of finding a job with a private company where no one would care?
“There really is a pattern here,” says John Gastil, a University of Washington professor who studies communications in politics.
I know the urge to drag Bill Clinton into these things is almost unbearable for journalists, but for every Bill Clinton (who engaged in consensual relationships with adults) there seem to be 20 Republicans hopped up on goofballs in some grizzly motel with shag carpet and a 15 year-old:
Some evolutionary biologists have argued that politicians, as the modern-day equivalent of the “alpha male” gorilla, are even more tempted than others by the lure of sexual conquests, almost as a right of office. After all, they say, in nature it’s the alpha male who gets the sexual access.
Of course, these days such “evolutionary” urges are generally tempered by pragmatism, they add.
For some people, hiding an inner life that’s in direct conflict with an outer life becomes intolerable, says Farley. “You want to bring some alignment, some freedom, from that continual, conflictual stress.”
At some point, the pain of the conflict itself may become a powerful motivator to resolve the differences, Farley says.
McGreevey, in his tell-all book, “The Confession,” wrote that “the closet starves a man and when he gets a chance, he gorges ’til it sickens him.”
Curtis, like many who have found themselves in this situation, has a wife and children. He ran for office as a conservative Republican.
Farley says that, too, is understandable.
“You’re creating a cover for your behavior so you’re beyond reproach. You figure you will get away with what you’re doing; you’ve covered it with those strong positions, so nobody thinks of you as gay.”
It really is almost impossible to keep up with these days. Another Republican minister, Marshal Seymour, was just busted, and when Howie started reading to me about the case of former Daytona Beach city commissioner Michael Shallow (”Police report that they heard coughing, sneezing, foot tapping, loud and persistent zipper noises to attract attention from others interested in engaging in sexual acts”) I said “nuh-uh”! But of course he wasn’t making it up.
The closet really is an extremely dangerous place.
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Well 2 then!
Poster boy of the GOP; Twinkle toes Larry.
calling Jeff Gannon, Jeff Gannon to the White House rear entrance please!
DWT is the go to blog for info on the “More and Better Dems” and what scum the Thugs are. The amount of work that Howie puts into saving our Country is amazing.
Perhaps it would be best to just make prostitution legal.
Paging Mark Foley
I go to bed at night worrying about my closets.
The thought that Repugs are hiding in there, ready to jump out and start tap-dancing is enough make even the monsters under the bed cringe.
I am still waiting for Howie to drop the “hammer’ on Miss McConnell. Jane, any inside info?
What year is this?
Steve-AR @ 5
I’m sitting in Howie’s living room right now and he’s laughing his ass off over Fred Thompson’s drug dealing Republican buddy. He will save the country, I’m sure.
BTW Howie is having a great contest, the prize is 20 CDs and an “Impeach Cheney” cap. If I wasn’t disqualified from entering I most certainly would, great prize.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..us-20.html
Good to see you up and at ‘em, Jane! You amaze…
“I know the urge to drag Bill Clinton into these things is almost unbearable for journalists, but for every Bill Clinton (who engaged in consensual relationships with adults) there seem to be 20 Republicans hopped up on goofballs in some grizzly motel with shag carpet and a 15 year-old”
HA!!!! Jane – This is exactly the level of snark and cut-straight-through-the-bullshit writing that keeps me addicted to FDL… You give me faith that we will get through this… keep up the good work…
Ignore the shadow in your psyche at your peril. It will gain on you and drag you down.
Integration Now!!! (conscious mind unconscious motivating factors)
heh. I almost typed ‘unconscious motivating factories’
I voted for Bill Clinton four times. But hey Bill, you’re supposed to be a big brain. Couldn’t you have used a bit more discretion? As the leader of the most powerful nation on earth, you could have been expected to make a more responsible decision (relative to strategy) in that particular matter. It’s purly a matter of pragmatics that I’m speaking of in this instance.
get your unconscious factories out of the closet.
In a nut shell, the married President of the United States was getting a blow job from an intern in the Oval Office. On our dime.
I think there are probably an equal number of trists, the differance is when a democrat is gay he doesn’t ususally hide it, even if he does it’s not anthetic to their political theme
when a republican does the very same thing in the very same numbers, because it’s antithetic it’s a much bigger deal
Check out this new “exploding comet”…follow the instructions tonight to see it here, if you have clear skies…it will be around and will be expanding over the next couple of weeks:
http://www.skyandtelescope.com…..62521.html
Oklahoma kiddo @ 17
but hey! think of that liberal progressive free trade and bombing iraq’s children to smithereens! c’mon, what’s not to love?
Jane, Howie!
I really want to know who next busted person will be, according to Larry Flynt. Lots of news about this a few days back, but then silence.
You got news?
Mad Dogs @ 8
LOL
Larry Craig: Have closet will travel.
Jane Hamsher @ 11
The Impeach Cheney? hats are great..I had mine for less than 60 sec before the GF appropriated it.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 20
I know I want my party the D party to be led by someone who believes in the big tent idea..not the big closet (don’t ask don’t tell).
It’s only natural that they would be closeted, after all being hypocritical is a crucial element in being a republican power broker.
there’s a tent in my closet
dear henry dear henry
a tent in my closet dear henry
a tent
no wait. that doesn’t exactly ‘work.’
Oklahoma kiddo @ 17
what do you mean though “on our dime”?, do you think he didn’t get work done he might have gotten done if he didn’t have the affair?
I think it’s pretty well established bill was one of the hardest working presidents in our history, he delegated almost nothing and had his hand and understanding of pretty much everything done in his administration
I don’t think anyone can say it wasn’t his own dime he had his affair
I’ve had relationships with women and we’ve both understood there would be affairs on both of our parts
I’ve had relationships with women who wanted to be monogomous.
we have absolutely no idea what kind of understanding bill and hillary have
of my 3 best friends, not one of their wives want a monogomous relationship with their husbands and both act according to that principle
never the less, I’m kind of pretty certain there aren’t too many presidents who actually remained faithful their entire marriage
just as I’m pretty certain there aren’t too many president’s wives who remained faithfull either
we have a hang up with sex in this country, democrats as well as republcians
Loo Hoo. @ 10
It is the year…now…or the year billions and billions…or the year 10,000 if you are not Christian, but don’t believe in evolution…or 2007 if you are Christian…Come to think about it…how come everybody in the world pretty much thinks it’s 2007? Oh, yeah…except the Chinese…I don’t know what year it is…they go by animals….
I have to say, if Hillary announced she was going to divorce the Large Dog tomorrow, I’d probably vote for her in the primary.
Having “succeeded” earlier in life, but well into adulthood, in performing some gargantuan psychic identity shimmy shan to such a degree that I effectively not only denied to myself I am gay, but also managed to deny myself any intimacy of any kind, I can say, yes, it is a dangerous place indeed.
This is doubly so for those of us who are considered by others to be talented, able, and personable, when we have the independent, pigheaded or entrepreneurial streaks to match. If we tend to be seen as leaders, and become accustomed to making our own options in life. . . the balance ultimately becomes unsustanable. I can understand, on some level, the epic crashes of these guys.
Behind their public personas lies a distorted, bound, gimp of a proto human being, at once fighting to break out and tortured into terror at the idea of discovery.
None of this excuses the crimes these guys may commit, or beyond crimes of law, moral offenses against the poor, the weak, the marginalized and of course the gay.
perris @ 29
Yea, what Perris said!
perris @ 29
What do I mean? When you are employed to do a job… do that job. No recreation or naps or whatever on the job.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
How do you know he was on the clock?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
he did his job and yes, he gets recreation as president, he gets it while in his office, he can read for pleasure, he can run, he can do situps, he can play chess or cards or watch tv
what is it to you what his recreation is oklahoma?
I don’t get it
I think it’s pretty well established bill was one of the hardest working presidents in our history, he delegated almost nothing and had his hand and understanding of pretty much everything done in his administration
Pachacutec @ 32
this question is not meant to be witty or a comment on what you said but do people like ‘Dr. Phil’ encourage self-knowledge along these lines?
Does mainstream ’self help’ (if that’s what it is) encourage facing one’s self with honesty?
hey everyone, good news over at think progress;
raven @ 35
Oh jeebus. Do you not get the point? If you are President do your intern fucking and sucking on your own time and not in the Oval Office. My gawd.
speaking of values, I sure do resent the label “values voters” for the righwing fundie wackos. ’cause, you know, by inferrence that means the rest of us don’t have values.
the point about bill clinton and monica lewinsky isn’t a point about ’sex’ at all.
it’s a matter of disproportionate power. in the relationship.
the ceo isn’t supposed to fuck the temp worker in the photocopy room.
I wish Shrub were getting blow jobs on our dime
we would probably all be happier
Oklahoma kiddo @ 39
It’s so rare that I disagree with the Kiddo!
It is sad when a person has to hide their feelings to satisfy the expectations of other people. Let’s start with that. That goes for being gay or being straight. Better to be honest and true to yourself. It is the actual self denial that is so tragic and so hard to overcome for so many people, and everybody ends up getting hurt.
perris @ 36
Bill was a really smart, hard working boy alright. Just like now.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 39
Oklahoma kiddo @ 39
Bwahahahahahahahaha!!! 707
if your daughter was an intern somewhere and a powerful older man dorked her in some tawdry dalliance I doubt if you’d say ‘hey cool. let’s have a relaxed attitude about sex.’
Oklahoma kiddo @ 17
Just proves that a 178 IQ Rhodes Scholar is a brillant multi-tasker
I can’t edit today and I messed up my response ok kiddo
the thing I think you’re missing is that the president gets to have his relaxation in the oval office, he doesn’t do it when he’s working he’s doing it when he’s not working
I said on my previous post, if I get to be president you can rest assured I’m getting a blow job in the oval office
a few other places too
which Oval Orifice?
The President ponders this sordid turn of events
;>)
I’ve never watched or listend to Dr. Phil in my life. I intinctively recoil from him, perceving him to be a self-absorbed charlatan hack, an entertainer, not a professional.
I don’t really pay attention to self help books, etc. I’m sure many are harmless and well intentioned, but I’m a believer that all sustainable human growth and change comes through some form of positive human relationships, and you just can’t get that from a book. Intellectual insight does not change people, but it comes typically as some element of growth is consolidating.
Jane, I’m sitting here laughing so hard I’m in oxygen debt. Seriously. :o)
You twist the knife so delicately. :o)
Most of us are like:
Beat these assholes! Flense them for their despicable fucking hypocrisy! :o)
And you, the voice of “gentle reason”:
“Now, now, let’s not be hasty…it might by their liver that causes this behavior… (brandishing scalpel :o) ) let’s just take a close look at that puppy and see if anything look abnormal.”
(swish! swish!) “Hmmmm…looks okay to me…
Oh! There’s the pancreas! As long as we’re here…:o) (resect! resect! :o) ) Nope; nothing there…Wait a minute! That entire gastro-intestinal tract looks lumpy and misshapen, and we all know what Thoreau said about “If a man’s bowels troubleth him, he goes and stamps foot in an airport bathroom.”, and I say “in for a dime, in for a dollar.” “GOTTA check that dude out. Here, Christy, hold this end while I free things up a bit.” (Swoosh! Z*rro, shamed, throws his sword into the Rio Grande. :o) :o) :o) )
Too good!!! Across the Hillary canyon; get em, girl. :o)
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 48
depends on what I thought of my daughter
if I thought she were a mature women who had affairs and relationships before I would certainly not be either surprised or upset
if I thought she weren’t a mature young women and it was her first affair of course I’d be upset
to each of us a differant answer for differant children
This reminds me of the time I had a discussion with a woman (whose husband is a psychiatrist) about religious zealots and their often deviant sexual behavior. There seems to be a strong correlation between the areas of the brain that are excited by sex, and those areas that are stimulated by feelings of religious intensity.
I told her, “Oh, so THAT explains why I’m always thinking about God!”
Does fucking your mistress and potential First Lady of the Homeland in the command center in the WTC that you put “there”, because it was within walking distance of your office so you could easily get a quickie, count as problematic???
Ummmmm. Are we positive that none of the Dem candidates are in the closet?
I’m sure the Republican smear machine is searching feverishly for sutible Democratic scandals…
Unfortunately for them, the Dem gays admit to being gay, and most of the married Dems seem to be on their first marraige…a happy one.
Unlike Republicans, who are either on their third wife, or cheating with whores on their present one.
As Jackie Gleason would intone…”HARDY, HAR, HAR, HAR!!!!”
Mod note: Do not quote the trolls.
Pachacutec @ 53
agreed about dr. phil.
but i do watch him sometimes the same way I watch benny hinn.
morbid fascination.
I’m just wondering about all these ‘mainstream’ people.
they dont get their auras ‘balanced,’ they don’t get reiki, etc…etc…
what in the world do they do.
what does Larry Craig do?
he’s in a straight jacket.
LS @ 56
During work or after?
LS @ 44
Being yourself is the easiest thing to do. Other folks
maywill have a different point of view, but so what.raven @ 59
I would wager it was both.
LS @ 56
First Lady of the Homeland!!!!
Shades of Eva Braun!!!!
oh yeah. it’s a ‘problem’
UUUUUMMMMMMMM…dear behindthefall…if this is about Hillary being lesbian, don’t even try to go there…
This is a pathetic attempt to smear her that no one believes or has any tangible proof of now or historically. And I don’t like her very much.
LS @ 56
What’s problematic is agreeing to put the command center near the WTC, not the rest of the story. Asking his wife for a divorce during a news conference can be an act of cowardice IMO, though.
The alpha-male theory might account for Clinton or Gingrich or Gary Hart or Jim Bakker or LBJ or Ike, but not for Larry Craig. Alpha males do not have anonymous liasons and don’t pay for the privilege. That’s the whole point of being an alpha male.
Jane, if you’re still here check your email.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 62
Actually, I was looking for the appropriate word, Bunker, but it momentarily escaped me!!!
LS @ 61
Sometimes waiting for the ferry to cross the Mekong River at Can Tho we’d jump into the local boom boom joint for a short time. Should I send a refund?
First Lady of the Homeland Beauty Contest….brought to you by Eva Braun cosmetics…for when you’re in that ‘bunker state of mind…’
behindthefall @ 57
as a democrat it doesn’t matter much if you’re discovered since you haven’t based your career on slimming homosexuals…republicans are homophobes and slime teh gay whenever they get the chance
it’s not a big deal if you’re a democrat, it is a big deal if you’re a republican
wagonjak @ 63
Women, whose husbands cheat on them, are often branded frigid or lesbian. It is a despicable rationalization for the behavior.
goopers are the “do as I say not as I do” party
they are represented by such selfloathers as Tammy Bruce who thinks allowing the gay community to be the gooper punching bag is ok because it was patriotic.
They are horrible disgusting people who would be sell outs but they have no values to sell out
MOD-do you mean we cannot address troll lies with derision or counter arguments? Not sure what your remark after my latest post means…
It is the year of the boar, LS. Cheers!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 39
Bush is an aberration; for most Presidents there is no on or off clock. I can sympathize, before I hung it up..it was 24/7, ~49 weeks a year.
the puritans were quite bizarre characters and their legacy carries on.
OT, but watching the crawl on MSNBC about “thousands of lawyers being clubbed” sorta gives one a warm fuzzy feeling!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 31
Well, as long as your priorities are in the right place.
gosh.
Bush is an aberration; for most Presidents there is no on or off clock
well there was the napper himself Ronnie Raygun
raven @ 68
I think that a person’s sexual behavior is their own business (including you) and the business between that person and any person they are involved with.
1,647 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizens oklahomakiddo, Raven and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
The whole episode of blow jobs in the White House and impeachment is so far removed from the reality of where we are politically now that I hesitate ta even give this subject a couple more legs but here goez: Clinton’s dalliance with the intern was despicable and bordered on sexual harassment (takin’ favors from a subordinate but she was of age and didn’t bring that charge) but no one died, no one lost their job or their home or their health, and certainly no law was broken. Why, pray tell me, are we even talkin’ about this…we have a psychopath in the Vice President’s office, a sociopath in the White House and have killed thousands of our own and hundreds of thousands of innocents on behalf of the American oligarchy and the Saudi royal family, so tell me good friends and comrades, why the fuck are we talkin’ about this??!!!
Come on kiddo and Raven, get with the program here…if Phoenix Woman is right we’re gunna hear a bunch a this shit fer the better part of the next year, let’s not make it a dissertation topic.
KEEP THE FAITH, PASS THE AMMUNITION AND KEEP YER EYES ON THE TARGET!!
the puritan’s leg is still being carried.
yes from coast to coast.
remember the puritans this thanksgiving.
and put somebody doing something wrong in the stocks.
Loo Hoo. @ 73
Yeeeeehaw!! Cheers to you too Loo Hoo!!
LS @ 79
I meant to ask if I should send a refund to the Army for my time.
The most illuminating thing I read after the Larry Craig toe-tapping was an op-ed piece in the NYTimes by Laura McDonald.
What was illuminating was the concept of the “breastplate of righteousness” that closeted people put on.
And the more prominent the person, the shinier the breastplate has to be — more judgmental, more righteous, more right-wing.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 79
yep.
LS @ 73
I’m pretty darned certain as many women cheat on their husband as husbands cheat on their wives
there is more selectivity for sure, however men are having sex with womenz..the odds are fidelity is equal among both sexes
women can be more exclusive, they can pick and choose, pretty much when a women wants sex she can have that sex
men need to be in the right place at the right time
I even venture women have more sex then men, most are having it with the same man so to speak
NorskeFlamethrower @ 80
Hey, I’m just killin time here. The whole thing seems pretty fucking stupid to me.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 80
I only beg to differ in that sexual harassment is based upon “unwanted” sexual advances and then retaliation for not welcoming the advances.
were you ‘tapping’ the breastplate of righteousness in the airport washroom?
no no officer I was ‘dabbing’ at it with rust remover.
perris @ 50
Perhaps it’s a matter of definition. “Recreation”, that is. There’s golf, gin-rummy, tennis or whatever. And then there is fucking. For some perhaps there is no delineation. I still say, don’t ‘do’ an intern in the Oval Office.
off to bed, g’night all
Nicole (C&L) says Keith will be having a Special Comment!
Let’s all think of diplomacy, and relax.
;>)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 92
*fingers in ears*
if I’m president the oval office gets the nasty.
and the library and wherever I think is gonna be interesting
anyway, off to bed, c u tomorrow ok kiddo
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 85
I addition, this was on topic.
demi @ 80
I’ll try to do just that. But I have to keep working on it.
perris @ 86
Well, I don’t dispute who has more sex or who cheats more…it is so subjective…I was referring to the “lesbian” label that Hillary was accused of by a lot of people to justify why Bill would cheat on her. I don’t hear a lot of people accusing men of being gay when the wife cheats on the husband. I do hear more of the complaint that the woman was not receiving some kind of affection or attention or something like that as a justification. JMHO
perris @ 93
NorskeFlamethrower @ 83
And I try so hard to be “with the program”.
Clue Me In Here, Folks…
Democrats certainly aren’t immune from getting in trouble because their sex drive doesn’t match the public image they’d like to have, though they seem to be a much tamer crowd than the Republicans, who are astoundingly perverse (by their own interpretration of what “perverse” means).
I joined MoveOn because I thought the idea of impeachment for a BJ was ridiculous. Still, I was astounded at Clinton’s poor judgment.
Monica was a consenting adult, who apparently made the first move, so I don’t feel particularly sorry for her. But Bill Clinton was incredibly reckless. He knew full well that the right was out to get him, that they’d spent a ton of money trying to get him. Didn’t it occur to him that a young woman coming on to him might blab, or even be a plant?
And in a way, Monica was a plant; she was egged on by a bitter woman who wanted to get Bill Clinton, who made sure that the best evidence against him was preserved (the famous blue dress), who encouraged Monica to get it on tape, who hooked her up with Jonah Goldberg’s mommy.
As Wonkette noted a few days ago:
Blowvember? Cocktober? I have to admit that modern day conservatives do make it entertaining even if they are lunatic-fringe-moonbat-wingnutty-crazy.
And in the end, for these GOP control freaks, it’s more a question of ” Pourquoi pas?”.
This is a good one……Orang County’s Mike Carona, “America’s Sheriff,” indicted on several felony counts of corruption and unwilling to take the heat by himself, is getting dragged into court with not only his wife but also his long time mistress both charged as well. First I’ve seen a republican with the gall to trot his mistress out in public to a courtroom and probably to jail. Carona’s former deputies are working with the DA to testify against them for their own reduced sentences for similar charges in the same case. The kicker is the wife and mistress are both named Debbie, and of course the real Mrs. Carona is standing by her man maintaining her husband is innocent. Where did these women leave their brains?
Hmmm, I was thinking along similar lines the other day and came to this conclusion over the difference in response to Vitter and Craig: Vitter was caught cheating on his wife, yes, but it proved that he wasn’t gay. Nowadays it just isn’t good enough to be married and have kids, you actually need to get caught doing straight dude things. Kind of like catching Republicans stuffing their pockets full of cash to cut good government programs. Otherwise, someone might mistake them for a liberal.
Why???
2 things:
1. “Born again” is used as a get out of jail free card for every thing and anything, and is read by some as a lifetime pass.
2. Anything that’s repressed, gets more and more compelling over time.